Is SHAW the EGG??

@clovenberg2

The Black was quite easy to understand... especially if you look at Spaights Draft and Nano-Scarabs and replace with Nano-Worms.

But that Weyland file came out, that contradicted what we was shown... i hope they now have a IDEA how this stuff works and will show us.. or even if not.. as long as Ridley and FOX know now how it works...

"Instead of DROPPING eggs on a planet as a weapon,"

Yes this is flawed....

Unless the Eggs protect the Seed (Face Huger) much like a Orange... otherwise if the Eggs are more like Eggs then they would Splat... and can a Face Hugger survive?

Alternative way would be to carry the Eggs down.. this is a risk in itself unless they have a means/tool to do so and similar to transport them to the Cargo Bay.

The Black Goo is more better way of Bio Weapon..

Question is... and covered it before.

Is the Black Goo a Re-weaponizing of the Egg Bio-Weapon?

Or are the Eggs a result of the Black Goo Bio-Weapon?

If so was it intended? (Eggs). or a Accident.

@Batchpool

I would think against that method... as Human Egg Morph created Larger Egg in Alien... and the Covenant ones are smaller than the Brett Egg.....

some of the Eggs in AC seem smaller, some larger.. compared to each other... but the same is with Alien.  so some Eggs Grow to certain size and then are Primed and Ready.

AC Eggs are different too, shape is different and size of the Petals if you would....

But indeed the Egg Morph could work if these Eggs was once some smaller Native Wildlife?

"Also when Ridley commented that Shaw technically doesn't die, was this recent or before the final revisions were committed to the screenplay?"

This was mentioned by me early 2015 as from information from someone who apparently had seen the October 2014 draft...

Ridley Scott has not mentioned about Shaw... the only things he had mentioned prior to that (Source information i had) is that Shaw has questions but these Engineers are not the Benevolent race she would hope and that Paradise has the concoction to be Dark and Ominous.

Ridley has not spoken much about Shaw...  not much for 2 years.  Rappace did say around the time Ridley said this that she would like to go where Ridley is taking them... and to finally meet God or the Devil.

I think Shaw will play a Plot Device... makes sense...

"Maybe David didn't have a chance to wake her before the Engineers crashed their ship and unleashed the goo,"

Mistake in what you meant? or actually meant that as either way..... yes can we really ASSUME the crashed ship we saw is the Juggernaught that David and Shaw had?

It could be another one?  The trailer is shot in a way that could mislead us....  so it could be another... we have to remember there is a set photo of a interior that is like the Derelict and not the Juggernaught.

"David puts her back in hypersleep and asks the covenant to take her."

Indeed and as above if this is true... maybe Eggs are already there... then getting Shaw infected and then off to the Covenant would work...

But this would have to be prior to the Neomorphs etc... as surely the Covenant Crew cant be stupid... and seeing infections and especially Crudrup get Face Hugged.. they would then allow Shaw on-board...

I think the way the Xeno gets on-board has to be interesting...  as depending what the Hell happens prior to that, would surely effect the willingness to bring Crudrup back on board.

I think Walter is in the cave with Crudup's character alone. The facehugger venom/anesthetic causes temporary amnesia (which is diabolically brilliant) in Kane. It's likely to do the same to Crudup. All Walter has to do is wait with him and make up whatever story he likes to get Crudup back on board if no one else sees it happen.

Also, there's no logical connection between face huggers and horrific births for the crew yet.

In fact, since the other bursters had no direct explanation, the facehugger MUST be something different that the autodoc can treat. It's a false assumption on their part, but not unreasonable under the circumstances.

So whether Walter tells them what happened or not, they are likely to take Crudup back because they are desperate to save SOMEONE and this is the Captain, or they just don't know about what happened. 

We can agree to disagree that it's Walter in the cave, but, given his appearance, Walter is the simplest explanation. Anything else requires too many assumptions.

Some great ideas on this thread!  

So whether Walter tells them what happened or not, they are likely to take Crudup back because they are desperate to save SOMEONE and this is the Captain, or they just don't know about what happened. 

I find the idea of them returning to the main ship with an alien inside the captain full of potential.  Yes, it harks back to ALIEN but in this universe and situation it is one of a limited no. of possible outcomes.  I'd trust Ridley to give us a fresh take . . .

What does intrigue me though is what would happen then and how it would link to the next instalment . . .  (one thing at a time though lol) 

We can agree to disagree that it's Walter in the cave, but, given his appearance, Walter is the simplest explanation. Anything else requires too many assumptions.

My assumption is that this is Walter but his 'objective' appearance seems at odds with what we know about his character.  You would think he'd be telling the Cap.T to be cautious and back up, no?  Unless . . . he may have ulterior motives like Ash unknown to us at this time?  Again, too similar to ALIEN for my liking but I am sure Ridley is going to use our expectations against us in this film.

The fact that "Tennesee" is visibly shaken and holding a weapon during the trailer makes it clear that SOMETHING got back to the towing ship. (Im assuming it works similarly to the Nostromo, only with more delicate cargo.)

The shower scene implies it is some kind of xeno, not a Neo.

The only one we know gets a facehugger is the Captain. So at this point we would have to assume that's who went back to the towing ship.

The questions are:

why do they take him back?  (If they do)

why was Walter behaving that way when the facehugger got the captain?

How did the eggs get there? (Probably Not Shaw)

Indeed there has to be a way that Crudrup gets onto the Ship...

In a way that the Crew would not suspect... and for that i guess they would have to depend on someone they trust and for that... maybe Walter indeed is the one responsible... or who they believe to be Walter..

We have seen so less of the movie to work out who is who... so far we have not see a Blonde David... the trailers have not shown us everything....

We have to wander what clothing did David have under his Prometheus Space Suit.... this would rule out if it was David in that Egg Cave....  but also what could Walter be wearing under his Jacket..

The Cloaked image is interesting because under it, the Fassbender Character seems to be wearing a almost green clothing...  it looks different to what that Cave Fassbender had one..

And what he left on the ship with..

So we dont know how many times David and Walter leave and return to the Ships... etc.. or what ever time frame..

We cant accept for fact the trailer runs in a Chronological order.. we dont know how much time passes from each Scene to the next or even what order.

 Indeed there is a wealth of missing information. We do know that we got a picture of Fassbender with close-cropped, dark brown hair saying basically: this is Walter. So when I see dark brown hair, I will assume likewise without evidence to the contrary. 

Sequence of events is undoubtedly thus:

1: dark haired Android stoically witnesses Captain getting facehugger

2: Captain returns to ship

3: Shower scene.

Past that it gets fuzzy. There's plenty of blank space in between. Lots of variables.

it is plausible that there is an engineer in stasis on the ship that shaw and david leave on and david may have used him in any initial experiment which created an egg or some kind of dna that allowed him to infect some other person/engineer that morphed into an egg????

My personal thing would be to make sure there's no Engineers on the ship I take, but that's just me.

What I find interesting is where these eggs are kept. If you take a look at the surroundings, you can make out to what appears to be a massive rib cage. 

Perhaps this was a huge creature

omfg XD this is so funny

I started a topic on this issue so Ill post what I wrote. I'm thinking Elizabeth Shaw gets eggmorphed. It's pretty disturbing to think about but from the statements Ridley Scott has made about her purpose and role in Covenant, I think it's a likely scenario. It happened to Dallas in Alien but was cut from the movie. Basically, I think she gets turned into the egg in which a facehugger grows. Not sure if David does this with the help of the black goo but I'm betting somehow this is her fate. It would be an ironic fate for her...unable to create life herself and then going to the Engineers planet to get answers on the origin of life, eventually becoming part of the process of the xenomorph life cycle herself.

I think Shaw is going to be held hostage and forced to create eggs, die during the process, and be brought back to life in a an endless cycle via David's experiments. She will be the female version of Prometheus; punished for all eternity because she sought to bring knowledge to mankind. "You must feel like your god has abandoned you." David is the god now.

@Stan Winston

Indeed there are about 8 Eggs at least around the 7-8 mark but there could be more, and i am not sure the Egg Morph route would work...

My previous posts touched upon the viable and logical options to produce the Eggs.

I will add the Source claims there are Parasitic like wormlike Organisms that are referenced off Echinoderm and also slightly Cnidaria  and these Parasites can infect Hosts but also grow to a Stage that is similar to this..

When there are no Hosts or the Environment is not favorable, this Stage which they described as like a Testicle with Tentacles  can attach itself to a Surface with his Tentacles and enter a Dormant Cyst like Stage...

Where it then Performs one of TWO Tasks..

Inside this Cyst/Cocoon (they say like Gremlins Metamorphosis ones) they either Clone inside another Testicle with Tentacles or can also instead just Produce a Large Number of Parasitic worm-like Stages inside.

They claim this Testicle with Tentacles Lifeform can eventually lead to Evolve into Eggs... as per say. well Spore-like Eggs.

Again they dont know if these ideas are to be explored now... or indeed i cant say as i always do, if the Source is 100% Legit.

But i have seen a lot of evidence of indeed Echinoderm type influences in the Trailers, and some of the sketch's in Davids Lab... plus also how one Organism was described in this Lab.. from the Set Reports...   (A Alien with a Head/Mouth like a A-Hole) The description is very similar to this Echinoderm

even though shaw cant reproduce before her and hollawy made out her body could have still produced eggs and David could have some how extracted them and use them to experiment on. Also we do not know the long term affects of the intercourse they had and the effect of the mutagen on her body. And maybe, just maybe there was a recon mission to get them of the planet before covenant and that's where he got his test people/bodies.

obviously there is a lot that happened before the covenant arrives and after david and shaw leave LV223 ( hence why there will be a book ) I think the depth is a lot more than we anticipate which is a good thing imo. (so we don't spoil it for ourselves)

i have a feeling that she is mutated into either one of the eggs or the mechanism from which the eggs derive....and NO she will not be a queen, Ridley Scott will not include the Queen concept in his films because that was not his invention and having the queen in the story immediately makes the xenomorphs just a dangerous insect and takes away some of the depth and cosmic horror elements at play. He will not do that, the queen is more in your face, looks cool on screen, like a big boss in a video game but its all surface level and haas no depth and isnt that unsettling like the idea of mutation or some ancient horror that has been at play for centuries in the story of the aliens creation or use by higher powers. I liked the queen in the movie Aliens very much, but prefer that the xenomorph be an ancient unexplainable horror not cannon fodder or just an insect, leave that kind of stuff for the Marvel movies or Michael Bay, this should be deep and hauntingly gothic and Lovecraftian.

I seen that someone else said in another forum post that Shaw wanted to bring knowledge to humans (about the Engineers and our creators) and wouldnt it be ironic if she in turn turned out to be the true Prometheus. Where she is used in some ghastly way over and over to create these lifeforms that David has in his lab, while keeping her alive in some disturbing way......ironic in that she got her knowledge but became the embodiment of Prometheus in doing so.

here is the post from @jazzhands I think Shaw is going to be held hostage and forced to create eggs, die during the process, and be brought back to life in a an endless cycle via David's experiments. She will be the female version of Prometheus; punished for all eternity because she sought to bring knowledge to mankind. "You must feel like your god has abandoned you." David is the god now."

I feel that would be horrific and disturbing and and if done right would be shock and awe we havent seen since the original chest burster in 1979, something that sticks with us long after viewing, and in doing so is an example of what this film franchise should be. 

The key thing here is why Shaw couldn't get pregnant pre goo if you will - she said it was impossible but reasons were never given. The only presumed reference to the goos effect on living creatures that we have are the worms, which stayed pretty much the same except much larger and with the almost cobra like addition to the head & the stages of change for Fifield/Holloway, neither of whom grew in size or morphed into something else completely - so my question is what was strange about Shaw that she produces a trilobite (with zero human characteristics) of such gigantic proportions? Even if she was able to produce eggs (which I doubt if it was impossible for her to get pregnant) then once fertilised this new life would be microscopic and with a decent amount of human DNA - in a matter of hours too!! 

So here is my totally horrific proposition - no eggs were fertilised in the making of the trilobite - David said you're pregnant after seeing the image on the screen - well all that means is something is growing inside you. Rather than Shaw being the first egg, the real first is that Holloway was the hugger, just not the face kind. 

Interesting theory. A woman can produce eggs but not get pregnant  ( for other reasons) I do think it was produced by her and hallways Intercourse( her getting infected could have rejuvenated her reproductive organs) only because the trilogies had an umbilical cord. I do agree that it was odd on its feature traits but there again when it comes to the black goo it does have the dominant dna structure.

BM I would say you were correct but since there was an imbellical cord I think it was just his mutated sperm affecting her previously inactive reproductive organs. If there were no imbellical cord I would say that he may have planted a stomach buster in her with larvae that hid in his semen after all if the hugger can lay an egg in your throat, spores can invade your ears and nostrils.... Surely Holloway could have "submitted" a larvae inside of Shaw while they were bumping uglies.but there was the imbellical cord so there is that but good concept though they could have easily went that route instead

Hmm. Interesting! In actual, real-life human biology, a female is born already carrying all of the eggs she will ever produce in her lifetime. The body doesn't have to make them, it just has to release them during ovulation. Who knows why Shaw thought she couldn't "create life". I sincerely doubt it was from lack of eggs. I strongly surmise that David is going to harvest Shaw's eggs for his own nefarious purposes, keeping her alive just to do so.

Regarding the umbilical cord... what's more interesting to me is that it was attached to what appeared to be a placenta, which would have to come from a uterus. Was that engineer a female? If not, possibly a hermaphrodite?

"here is the post from @jazzhands I think Shaw is going to be held hostage and forced to create eggs, die during the process, and be brought back to life in a an endless cycle via David's experiments. She will be the female version of Prometheus; punished for all eternity because she sought to bring knowledge to mankind."

I touched upon this HERE

But i will put one piece below...

*Shaw does not Technically Die

*Shaw only plays a Smaller Role but a important one as far as the Plot.

*Concept Work of a Humanoid connected to a HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Device/Machine or similar that looked like as if Giger had done the Superman 3 Robot Girl Scene.

*In context to Paradise Lost Poem... without Sin (i assume Satans Daughter) there would be no Xenomorph (Satans Daughter was a Humanoid/Serpent Hybrid who was constantly Pregnant with Serpentine Hounds of Hell who Guard the Gates of Hell, and daily her Entrails are ripped from the inside by the constant labor and birth of these foul creatures.

This is what a Source told me over 2 years ago, and i covered it on here over 2 year ago and so Yes maybe this is what we shall be shown.

Indeed just because Shaw could not have a Child does not mean she does not have Eggs, there are a number of things that affect fertility

As for how she got Pregnant, well there are 3 ways.

1) Holloways Sperm was infected and became Xeno-Sperm and this infected her Eggs.

2) The Goo was a Parasite and Holloway was basically used as a method to get the Parasitic Worms (Eye Worm) into Shaws Womb to infect a Egg, just how Sexually Transmitted Diseases can be passed on.

3) As above but the Parasite Worms do not infect a Egg, they instead just use her Womb to Incubate and her Womb is fooled to think this Parasite is a Embryo/Egg.

Number 2 would be the most convenient if David wishes to Re-Create the Deacon Experiment.

"Regarding the umbilical cord... what's more interesting to me is that it was attached to what appeared to be a placenta, which would have to come from a uterus. Was that engineer a female? If not, possibly a hermaphrodite?"

I have studied Prometheus in Depth, and this is ONE thing i never considered... so its a interesting idea, something to think about.

I assumed the reason for this was to Show us the Black Goo effects and so basically the Trilobite was a Human/Face Hugger Hybrid and so the Deacon would be a Human Hybrid too hence the Placenta..

But boy you have got me thinking now.. thats a interesting Catch... i have to maybe consider this now ;)

Without going into the biology too much a woman does indeed have all the eggs she will ever have at birth (however some women do not have any eggs at all - FACT). Inferility can be as a result of a number of things but in most cases it's because the woman does not ovulate - this means the eggs never leave the ovary so are never in a position to be fertilised - Shaw stated that she could not create life (before she had sex with Holloway) not that she couldn't get pregnant & if you're a woman you know the difference. 

However, having watched Prometheus again, when David tells her she's pregnant she says that's not possible and then impossible when he says she's 'about' 3 months - before it dawns on her what's happened. I think Big Dave has it almost right - the womb was tricked and no eggs were harmed in the making of the Trilobite - this was an implantation into a host.

however what really interested me was the 'placenta' break - I've seen Prometheus a number of times and on every occasion I've been horrified that all that poured back into Shaw's open wound (they also took care to show this) - what on earth would that do? She was stapled immediately and she was pumping herself full of pain killer. Did Shaw start to morph into something on the journey or perhaps become 'pregnant' again and had to help David re-attach his head to help her? Instead of focusing on David being Frankenstein (I've said this a number of times) maybe the monster was already created by Holloway!!!  

Good point about some women not being born with eggs! I still don't think that was the case with Shaw, though; I mean I think she had eggs and was impregnated with Holloway's space cobra sperm. The fact that her offspring was delivered/shown inside an amniotic sac, and it was connected to Shaw via an umbilical cord would indicate that a pregnancy occurred. An implantation would not produce those conditions.

Regarding the amniotic fluid, if we are to assume that she was in fact pregnant, wouldn't Shaw's body produce it just like in a normal pregnancy? Although I believe that the fetus can impact the fluid levels by drinking it and urinating... so maybe she could've gotten contaminated that way via baby trilobite pee. Hmm. Great food for thought!

Bog Dave: The scenario you first mentioned two years ago is a nightmare!  That would be brilliant if it is in the movie

@Regular Parrot

Indeed the one that by some was considered completely BS!!!!! That new Set Reports and Comments now seem to hint is actually the case ;)

This is a interesting Image...

Note in the background there are like EGGS

Back to Shaw and the Potential for the Trillobite, indeed the Parasitic Worms getting into the Womb and using it to incubate is one explanation.

The more common was is Holloways Mutated Sperm...

But i think its the other scenario that works best of both worlds where these Parasitic Worms indeed infect Shaws not functioning Eggs, this makes more sense, it also would explain the Embryonic Sack and why the Trillobite had Hairs and the Deacon had a lot of Human Traits, because Half of its Creation was from a Human Egg.

This method makes more sense as far as Plot for Alien Covenant as far as how David could create Eggs, if Shaws are used and also as far as if he was to Re-create the Trilobite Experiment then indeed the other Scenario where Holloway merely transmitted a Parasitic Eyeworm to Shaws Womb that infected her Egg... 

Would give David a easy route to Re-create this without needing a Male at all, as David could find other ways to get the Goo into the Womb

The Source did say that in order to RE-CREATE IT (which i assume was the Xeno or Deacon) all you need is the Tools and Knowledge and David has both.

It would make sense that Re-creating the Trilobite would be the ideal Starting Point.

Otherwise if it was Holloways Infected Sperm, then it would leave David with the Question of what happens if the Black Goo directly infects a Egg instead.

Or what if Shaw is infected and becomes a Hybrid what would become of her Eggs and Womb then.. So indeed many possible ways for David to have a basis for Experiments.

And i do think its likely that Shaw has to be a Guinea Pig to some degree