Another Covenant theory

ninXeno426: Do you mean that "Paradise" (where David is) has been previously scouted or where they might have been heading from the beginning?

@Loop

Thats what i was thinking about the movie, prior to the release off the Covenant Badge/Insignia which showed it was a Weyland-Yutani ship and so it would have had to have launched after any Merger.

And so post 2094... likely post 2099.

I think indeed there are a number of silly plot holes a bit if indeed they are off to LV-223 and end up on LV-426 or even if they was heading else where but ended up on either of those.

Shaw could have laid the eggs, but it would involve a bit of tampering.

Shaw can only have trilobites, so to give her the ability to lay eggs David will have to change her.

David could infect her with the black goo but she will explode(Holloway,Engineer head) so to change Shaw he will have to do something else.

When Fifeild got infected with the ooze he was turned into a creature, the reason why was because his DNA was spliced with the DNA of a hammerpede, so David would most likely infect Shaw with both black ooze and hammerpede DNA thus turning her into a creature.

How the Shaw creature will lay eggs:

1. Because of Holloway's intercourse Shaw now has embryos in her womb that will now grow into eggs.

2. There is a Xenomorph on the planet that mates with her.

3. David injects Shaw with an Engineer sperm.

could be, could be, and playing some barry white in the background while david is getting some engineer sperm and noomi makes out with the xeno, it will be a love triangle romance horror

Chli:That is what i mean.

Yes, I wonder if we won’t be drawn back into Spaihts’ original script and that “Paradise” is in fact LV-426? We will get The Derelict (David’s and Shaw’s juggernaut), the eggs, the temple ruins, a catastrophe that will destroy the lush planet, and a chestbursted space jockey melted into the pilot chair (heat and gases etc - not fossilised)? The eggs survive until The Nostromo arrives because they are way down and protected by a layer of mist . . .

Yes that seems possible.I personally haven't read it yet(i have it book marked.,i just haven't found the time for it yet)but i do know the general outline.There are things I've heard that indicate that some of Sphait's concepts are being brought back.An example would be the neomorph.It has drawn many comparisons to the beluga morph.

Yes, Spaihts' script is definitely scarier than Lindelof's/Scott's version. Scott's version is perhaps deeper and more interesting in some ways (focusing more on the Engineers, where we come from, life and death, religion, morality, AI etc)?

As to where Sphait's is more of a straight up Alien movie.

@ chilli, i think they have to keep the original derelict from 1979 thousands of years old, and judging by the fact that the system has 3 moons, one unknown, this is probably 'paradise' , why would they add that third moon if not? if that is correct, maybe david, during his years on 'paradise' managed to get to acheron, to the original derelict, maybe there was a way, another expedition's ship, the juggernaut might not be a wreck or might not have been at some point... etc... , and i know it's a stretch but maybe he got those eggs from the original derelict... i think it would diminish the mystery and the horror around the original ancient derelict if they decided to make it just 130 years old in the original movie, and chalk it up to a dating error or something, they might do that though, but it would be a bad decision in my book (not like ridley scott is immune to those though)

spaihts' scrips is kind of too 'epic' for me, it doesn't feel right and i totally understand why they felt prometheus was better as it is, i feel like u could take any 10% of his script and make it into a good alien movie... just consider how simple, in essence was even aliens, not to mention alien

prometheus totally did touch and created this 'epic' tapestry, that needs to be further explored, but going soo far as spaihts did, in only one movie as he meant, would just make a simple 'escape attempt' or a 'surviving with a few canisters of gas or whatever was in those flamethrower fuel thingies', totally lacking in horror and claustrophobical elements that these movies rely upon, what im saying is, if u had that backburster scene on a planet where there was a load of stuff happening all over, xenomorphs running, ppl plotting, engineers having their own plot line, it would diminish the crap out of that scene, they need to keep it clean and simple to make it work as a horror movie, every 'epic' revelation needs to be paced just right, i believe they will try to achieve that and there will be no catharsis, just glimpses at possible answers that raise more questions, finally, maybe through AC and the 3rd movie, they will answer a fist full of those gradually, but leave things open to a point... it is how it should be, if they answer everything in detail, its just a sad ending, im not saying they should go full lindelhoff, but they should remember why they liked his approach in the first place, and expand on it

The technical problem here is this imo, alien1979 had sooo much unanswered questions, but it worked for what it was, they tried to expand the universe in prometheus and fought hard to keep that kind of mystery the original film had, but in the original u kind of knew it was not going to be answered, and in prometheus and presumably AC, they tease that they will, just by providing the amount of information they are, its tough to reconcile these two things, when u see an 'epic' movie u expect answers, when u see alien, u dont, ur just scared for the guy thats trapped in the vent with something nobody onboard, and infront of the screen really understands

Maybe taking itself a little less seriously, prometheus and the rest of the new movies we are going to see, could work better... the descision making behind that fifield xeno deleted scene was imo caused by exactly that, they didnt want to make one the best scenes in the movie, riding on the back of a movie that's already been made, i think this is ridley's and the rest of the crew's ego here that made it an issue, they were struggling so hard to make it 'original' that their attempt finally got the better of them, also, i think fifield wrapped up like a present in front of the ship, all broken up, just 'sitting' there like he was crushed, was the only scene in prometheus that actually touched the horror that they should have expanded on (im one of those degenerates that actually likes the movie btw)... they should hire cronenberg to work alongside ridley hahha, that would be something

Loop: Where did you get this about a third moon in the Zeta Reticuli system? And, wouldn't it be a nice ending that every horror and despair is in fact in your own back yard - like in The Planet of the Apes?

As I've stated before I've only read the outline,but if i remember right it didn't even explain where the xenomorph came from.

I really love this theory that the result of a Trilobite impregnating an engineer or human results in the common xeno. I think the reason why that the Deacon or common xeno, didn't birth as a chestburster and birthed with legs and arms is that it was birthed through an Engineer. Like in AVPR, the result of a facehugger impregnating a Predator resulted in what looked like a predator and Xeno.

So really you decide :-P

Thank you fire_stream 21.It in my opinion could be a logical link between Prometheus's black goo and the potential creation if the xenomorph.

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Im going with the idea that somehow "paradise" is LV 426. Our clue is that the crashed ship in the covenant trailer appears exactly as the derilict from the 79 Alien does.

As for Shaw, ive always had this sinking feeling that xenomorphs, humans, synthetics and even engineers have some sort of common ancestory or genetic similarity on some level, with the synthetic element adding the biomechanoid aspect. My theory is that Shaws musings on her inability to "create life" are going to be addressed in the most sordid way possible, beyond that of being impregnated with the trilobite in Prometheus. Perhaps in some way she is the missing link between the black goo and the ovomorph/xenomorph life cycle. We can see in the 79 alien directors cut that Brett and Dallas are obviously albeit mysteriously metamorphosizing into ovomorph eggs. Im guessing this mystery will be further addressed in covenant. Is it possible that David had played out some sort of twisted Adam and Eve type scenario using Shaw to create some sort of universal being? It would certainly explain why synthetics always admire the xenomorph so much, because they seem to sense some sort of commonality with them and the human elements in the xeno have always been a bit close to home, discounting the alien sequels of course, which in my mind are becoming increasingly non canon.