Your explanations for the Queen...

What that from?

This is a major problem with the franchise and how each movie they never seem to give it a in depth thought of how it connects to the previous movies... there are many many faults and one is the Procreation of the Organism.

Alien: It was intended to show just as Star Beast which Alien is based off did, that the Organism starts as a Egg, then it goes through the life Cycle of Face Huger to Host to Chest Buster then to a Adult...  then the Adult can Egg Morph a Host to start the process over again.

The Organism thus clones itself, but it requires Genetic Material from a Host in order to do so.  The big flaw with this method was not only did the Egg Morph look way larger than a Egg, does the Egg Morph shrink?   Why would the Xenomorph not go and capture all the crew and attempt to make 4X Egg Morphs, which would need 4 hosts..... or 2X Egg Morphs and use other Two Crew as Hosts so we would be able to develop TWO more Xenomorphs on that ship.

Aliens: carried on based of the Alien Theatrical release and so they could bypass the Egg Morph route... I would assume that in this respect a Hive has to be set up by Drones in order to then me suitable for a Queen to emerge and start laying Eggs.

This would require a Xenomorph a lot of work to make the hive ready, but then the Problem is how does ONE Xenomorph set up a new Hive? If we go the route to assume that certain influences on a environment can lead to a Egg being changed into a Royal Egg... or maybe the Drone can change a Egg into a Queen one via some kind of interaction (Royal Jelly) who knows.

So this route is also Flawed....

Unless more than One Egg is activated, because we have to ask how does a single Drone produce Eggs?

This is a mystery and a subject that we dont have a 100% way to look at it,  but i would assume once a Hive is set up that the Material the Hive is made off either affects environment and climate or/and produce pheromones or similar so as that it effects a Egg to then produce a Queen, and the Hive/Eggs then interact via pheromones or environmental changes that are maybe connected to a Queen too so that the Hive can somehow determine that there is no need for a Queen or Drone and will produce Warriors instead.

When a Queen dies.... something must change in the hive, be it pheromones or some Psychic connection, that then would allow another Egg to be changed to a Royal Egg.

I would assume if a Egg is taken away from a hive, or the Face Huger infects a Host that is some distance from a hive where it would be out of range to any pheromones, environmental factors or Physic influences....  The Egg or Face Huger then realizes its away from a set up Hive Colony and will Automatically produce a Drone.

Thats about the best explanation i can come up with.

I would think the Blue Myst may block what ever Factors that allows the Organism to detect what stage of a Hive creation it is at... so the Blue Myst may prevent a Face Huger from Producing anything but a Drone... otherwise maybe it would detect the Eggs and think it needs to produce a Warrior or Queen.

The only way i can think of fitting both Egg Morph and Queen would be as SM stated and its the theory i had for many years, is that logically a Egg Morph produces either a Queen Face Huger or a Queen itself.

This is why the egg size was larger.

Why the Xeno only needed Brett (Egg) and Dallas (Host) as the result would be a Queen that could then start to lay any number of Eggs.

Off course going against this theory would be Alien 3 and the smaller Royal Face Huger and then also how and where would a Egg Morph had occurred to get the Eggs on the Sulaco.

The logical way would then be that either the Queen can determine what the Eggs would produce or that again the Eggs that got brought on the Sulaco would determine a Drone and a Queen to give it TWO chances to procreate... these are determined by factors as listed in the prior post... and so when these Eggs detect no Hive or Queen... then Automatically produce a Drone or Queen.

As with Big Dave and S.M., I am a fair believer that the Queen is produced from a Royal Facehugger born from an egg-morphed host. Meaning that had the Nostromo not been destroyed it would have returned to Earth with a Queen and many, many eggs on board.

Big Dave does bring up the slight issue of the mystery egg aboard the Sulaco as seen in Alien 3, which if I recall correctly S.M. is a firm believer that the Queen must have planted it onboard, carrying it between her dorsal spines, which in all honesty is the best answer we fans have, but we can elaborate it...

Although I could not tell begin to suggest what the biological process involved would be, I have always imagined that after cocooning Brett to the walls with some sort of "phlegm" the "Big Chap" drone in Alien extended it's inner jaw into Bretts mouth, depositing something that began the process of turning Brett into an egg.

I would imagine this act is a one time deal, with each Xenomorph capable of egg morphing a single host, but at the cost of their life (explaining "Big Chaps" lethargic behavior aboard the Narcissus). As such it may have been that the Queen too performed this act on a single host (maybe Carter J. Burke), transforming them into an egg which would sire another Royal Facehugger (pictured below), and through Ripley, another Queen.

As for the eggs aboard the Derelict; there is another possibility none of us have imagined...

Prometheus used a lot of unused ideas from Aliens "Star Beast" original script, this is well publicized. Less so is how much the movie also borrowed from 2004's Alien v Predator. In the latter, it is shown that the Predators visited ancient humans whom would offer human sacrifices for the Facehuggers so that "Teen" Predators could earn their right of passage defeating the "Ultimate Prey".

What if... the Engineers upon visiting ancient humans demanded many human sacrifices, whom would kneel within the bowels of the Juggernaut as the Engineer fed each of them a drop of black goo, that in time transformed each of these human sacrifices into an egg. This could explain the artifacts discovered by Shaw and Holloway, depicting an Engineer pointing to the Zeta II Reticuli system; inferring "This is where I am taking the human sacrifices." 

Maybe the Engineer gathered too many sacrifices and fell victim to the Facehugger born from the first formed egg before he could secure himself inside his seat and armor, producing a Queen that then added to the eggs in the vessel's bowels until it died, producing thousands off additional eggs.

I agree with what many of you have said, but personally I think I like the egg-morphing (cell division/cloning) better (no queen needed). It’s more plant like (alien), like the original The Thing. But I suppose, if they want to connect all the films in the alien franchise, they have to stick with the queen-idea?

On the other hand, now we have spores and the mutagen which complicate everything . . .

If my theory about Shaw is correct then the queen DNA would have come from her.( my theory about Shaw is on my forum: What happened to Shaw ) 

Hi Guys n Gals,

How do we know the Queen in Aliens wasn't already alive on the derelict?  Once Mr. Jordan got facehugged, and once there were enough xeno's they moved the queen from the derelict to a more hospitable location so she could start egg production.  It's what army ants do in real life.  This solves a couple problems at one time.

Rick

What if lv 426 already had a queen there..from the lv 426 chestburster sj event.

And so thats what we gonna see how the sj get impregnated with a queen..when it connects to alien..

Maybe the queen was the ultramorph modification inspired all along.

Because imagine we get the ultramorph from the engineer...this is as big as a queen...and now imagine a queen ultramorph...this is double queen size..insanaty.

Tiago,

I'm implying maybe the SJ's were carrying a queen as cargo supply, too.  Nothing like having an Egg Bomber with an endless supply of eggs.  I hate going the AvP route but how do we know they didn't have her giant a$$ in stasis or something? Like the predators did and when the ship crashed she was freed or maybe she was still in stasis since the blue "protective" beam over the eggs was still active after the crash.  There could also be a whole mess of things we didn't see in the labyrinthian arms of the Derelict Bomber.

Rick

Rick,

Ok but even if its there. What we need to figure out is this.

If a facehugger got away...he makes the hole in the ground..and grabs the sj. It cant be this way .he would have the mask on..so even if it ataches itself and he crashes he woudnt get infected and killed..so theory about facehugger escaping cant be.

The only way that engineer could get facehugged was before he launched the derelict .when he got facehuged amnesia..he wakes up and moves on...suddenly along the journey he got chestbursted and crashed the derelict. This is the only possible way.

Now the next is what needs to be discussed.

Whatever it came from him was based on what we know and study.

- ultramorph ( original concept, never on screen )

- queen( plausible,maybe ultramorph inspired,lays eggs )

- deacon(based on prometheus birth) but unlikely due to complex process..and also deacon would burst him from behind.

So what comes from him made the hole in the ground with acid.we know aliens have this hability.we never saw a juvenile queen.we never saw a juvenile or adult ultra.

The hole leads to the cargo where the eggs are.

Was it cargo or did this creature layed them there?

If its cargo why did the creature went towards them,and where is it,died?where are the remains? Did it escape?.in aliens a queen is building the hive and we dont know how it got there. We assumed it was a royal egg in the derelict ..but its only assumption.

Or

One random xeno turns itself into a queen to lead the hive when theres lots of hosts around..colony hadleys hope.

However this is also assumptions.

What we do know in fact and was ALLWAYS shown to us is the queen the only one able to produce eggs and multiply the species...in every game in every movie,other then requiem avp.wich was predalien impregnating eggs towards female bellys.

Sooo ,

Did the queen layed those eggs in the cargo...and the eggs produce blue mist themselfs to stay dormant until new hosts arrive and touch that mist thus detecting hosts? We can assume so since it happened to kane.

Did the engineers made the eggs...and created the blue mist  to keep them in stasis until they reach the planet? I dont believe it why? Because they had black goo..why would they need the eggs for? Why did the blue mist stayed active in a crashed ship with no power? The mist was made from the eggs themselves.

Regarding the blue light.

Ridley Scott wanted an early warning system around the Alien Eggs that would signal them to the approach of a possible host organism. This effect was achieved through the use of a blue scanning laser that was projected through smoke to highlight the apparent membrane covering the eggs. The laser used was loaned to Scott by the rock group The Who, who were testing out various lasers for use in their upcoming tour in the soundstage next door to where Alien was being filmed

And how would a single engineer use the eggs as weapon?

Grab one by itself and throw it through the window? Out of thousands of them throwiing them like bowling balls? 

The crazy plausible theory i can think of if eggs were cargo is.

Whatever came from the engineer was able to eggmorph the black goo urns in the cargo.

Or simply layed all those there

 Ridley is gonna make everything up as he goes, he intended to do one way and did the other 3 ways around and its gonna be a big mess to correct everything.

At least in AC we will have major clue. How can eggs be created if no queen. Will be the first ever clue to step away from a queen concept shown on screen where its fact 100% canon. And we will be able to fix more the theory regarding the cargo.

If the next 2 movies after ac will connect to alien then we will see how the SJ got facehugged and what happened before he made his departure 

This is where things could get interesting..maybe he was betrayed prior, maybe he ran away ..

But then we have this facts

Ridley Scott states during the Director's Commentary on the Alien home video releases that the eggs are the cargo of the Space Jockey's ship with the ship being a sort-of war ship designed to carry these biological weapons, or perhaps a science vessel carrying the eggs as cargo for scientific study.

And interesting clues that arent what ridley wanted and considers his vision(unless fox demands it)

Alien: River of Pain, Russell and Anne Jorden explore previously undescribed areas of the ship finding the remains of several Engineers and Xenomorphs. There is evidence of weapons fire as well as acid burns throughout the ship, the two groups apparently having killed each other during a battle of some kind. They also find the remains of a Queen and an Engineer who fought to the death and killed each other in unarmed combat

The origins of the derelict and the Engineer who piloted it remain unknown. Likewise, the circumstances behind how the ship came to be on the moon — whether it was deliberately set down or crashed unintentionally — remain a mystery. What is known is that the vessel had been to LV-1201, a planet where the Engineers were apparently breeding Xenomorphs, some time before it crashed.[8] Judging by the fossilized condition of the Pilot's corpse, the ship had been on LV-426 for potentially millions of years

tiago

my theory is the sj is either face hugged in cryo, so unaware of his situation and the ship crashes due to the chestburster, or , he knows and crashes the derelict on purpose on an uninhabited world knowing the consequences of going to an inhabited world. this would explain the warning signal for others to stay away

Ali lets analise that

Do we know engineers are in cryo while the ship is flying to the destiny? We know in prometheus the engineer was in cryo but the ship was not in flying mode.

If the engineer is in cryo we have to assume the blue mist is a security measure they made to keep eggs dormant,if that is the case how could a egg hatch,it would contradict the security theory...and also if the mist is security why did the egg hatch when kane touches the mist. I lean towards egg mist.

So if engineer is in cryo,the eggs are simply there as cargo, would they let those eggs simply there,with no security measure,with no other method of storage, its hard for me to even take tthat assemblence as plausible.

Picture this..how would they use the eggs as weapons. They would have to grab them ,toss them,shoot them somehow..hows that possible and logic. The black goo urns can be handled..the eggs cant be handled if not an alien..so again how would they use them as weapons...is that ship a suicide ship? Do their suits xeno style have this ability to blend in? Doesnt look like it in prometheus we saw its not the case.

Now lets go further, the sj awakes...even with amnesia he would see a dead facehugger on the ground dead after the impregnation, woudnt he see it, lets assume he wakes up he doesnt see his broken cryo glass or damaged cryo, he doesnt see the hugger body, he goes on with his agenda, woudnt he check the status of the eggs? Woudnt the super inteligent ship warned him one egg hatched or the cryo was damaged, or theres one less egg in good status? I think it would immediatly say to the engineer the status considering the mighty cargo.

I like this idea

On the rest of the derelict theres bodys of xenos and engineers a dead queen etc. Basicly the idea they stumbled upon this specie and captured it...the whole hive. Queen eggs and some xenos to study them and thus creating the black goo and more advanced suits,hence the difference in sj more organic and prometheus engineer more advanced bionic not so organic.this is a scientific engineer juggernaut rather then a war one.

Would explain egg cargo logically.

Would explain the crash logically.

Would explain the millions or thousands of years old logically crash timeframe.

Would explain black goo.

Would explain beacon,but not a stay way beacon,rather a sos one.

Would explain a queen emerging on lv 426.

Would give a interesting logical connection from the last film to aliens as true engineer movie story.

What do you think and where do you guys see flaws?honestly its the most plausible and less flawed theory considering what we know canon.

Now bare in mind i think ridley switches his ways constantly and we cant deny that his interviews are proof of fact. The movies suffered a lot of changes as we all know and that shows a guy who doesnt know how to tell the story he wants and gives the feel of making up as we go.

Honestly...i hope he doesnt make more plot holes in ac then we have now. The egg creation gonna give a whole lot insight on this thread.

@OP

the queen's already been explained. She's like the leader

tiago

remember in alien the facehugger crawls up into the rafters after falling off kane so not a given he would see it but other films support ur point. if he does see it them he knows his fate and decides to crash the ship himself. the alien river of pain book gives us a version of what happened on the derelict. there even a queen and engineer dead but clearly in the middle of a hand to hand fight. the queen has speared the engineer with its tail but the engineer, 9ft tall, has rammed his hand down the queens throat, with the assumption given he is ripping its inner jaw out. the book gives the impression there was an alien infestation on the derelict and the engineers were fighting them, though whether this is canon or not is debateable. the function of the blue mist is also up for debate. warning system or something to preserve the eggs for transport? the mist suggests there is still power and so does the warning message. if it is indeed a warning system, dallas and lambert, who were topside, would have heard something but there is no indication they do. if the book is canon, then the engineers become foul of an infestation, and either crash deliberately or the crash is caused by the emerging chest burster and subsequent infestation. there is no evidence to support whether or not the engineers r in cryo during flight but in all the movies, the humans r in cryo during flight and due to fact we r of the same genetic make up, it would suggest even the engineers require cryo sleep for a similar long journey. we don't see any cryo pods in alien so its plausible the facehugger gets the engineer the same way ripley is tagged at the start of AR. it burns through the casing of the pod.

who wants to place a bet that the blue mist is just an effect that doesn't make it to the new movies? i'll start.

20 bucks says theyre leaving that one in the gutter. when I first watched alien, i thought it was how the eggs knew something was around. wakey wakey facehuggers! but now i think it was just something that may or may not have had a purpose and we aint gettin a reason now. its gonna be one of those things that nobody ever really gives a solid answer for

it could very well be dropped but I think it had a purpose. it makes a noise when broken so could be something to alert the hugger. don't think ridley expected alien to do so well and warrant sequels so he might have just put some things in for a cool one off thing and the mist could be one of these. would be good to get an answer though ur right

Exactly ali. And whatever we come up with theres allways gonna be a little contradiction,altho i think we are close.

But if he makes it a event post ac...then how can it be :3

In the interview of prometheus he said we had to assume the derelict was a "brother" of the lv 223 juggernaut.and that it came from lv223 aswell carrying those as cargo and something happened but it came from lv223 to another destination and crashed lv 426.

But many fans dont see that and spme cant assume that as certainty. I see lv 223 as their military science zone and i would like to return :)

i have answers now. i know the queen. i know who she is.....she's the final act! she is what must become! its the cycle of death. the nature of the weapon. shes the ubermensch, the guru, the final form. she is why one lone drone egg is the end of planets. a child is born.....to hug a face. a child is born to make an egg. a child is born to hug...another face! a queen is born to end a race........and when the race is laid to waste...the queen and her soldiers..they die with haste!

my eyes are open

Id you gotta let me smoke what u smoking...certain time of the night your comments get crazyyy...ahahahn! Seriously.you make laugh in a good sense