
Chowe
MemberOvomorphApril 10, 2017I don't really understand why people hate Prometheus. I hear everybody complaining about because there was no aliens in it.
1.The cast is well picked
2.The acting was top notch
3.The story itself was great
4.It made the Alien universe much larger.
5.A great movie is all ways supposed to leave you asking questions
6.The man himself Ridley Scott made it so put some respect on his name.
I love the movie and watch it alot, I will agree there some plot holes but that is due to the rewrites. Other then that it is visually stunning. If not for Prometheus we would not have any new movies coming out.
" If not for Prometheus we would not have any new movies coming out. "
GOOD point!! I guess PROMETHEUS should be consider R. Scott's 'warm-up' after having been away from the ALIENverse for so long??
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
I would say most people find it to be ok.
I'm with that crowd personally It's like my 3/4th favorite alien movie, but after the top 2 that's not much of an accolade.
I loved the idea behind it, but there were many small issues I had with the film.
Not in any order as I'm remembering them as I type this.
Deleted scenes they should've left in.
1) The Engineer speaks.
Or doesn't, in the official release.
I loved the cut scene where he speaks, the deep angry voice really ramped up the intimidating tone.
They should've left that speaking scene in.
2) Mutated FiField #2
With a bit of work and polish, I think they should've gone for the heavily mutated FiField as seen in the deleted scene, that was one creepy mutated guy!
3) Milburn
Another two deleted scenes I think they should've kept, when he finds those slug/worm things and is all excited, you actually start to like the guy in that scene
When he finds the familiar alien skin on the ground, again another deleted scene
4) Stuff that doesn't make sense
Milburn trying to grab an obviously annoyed alien snake thing, why would you keep trying to grab it? You have no idea if it has fangs or venom (or bone breaking strength/acid for blood)
Shaw smacks the doctor lady over the head with the metal pole, but 20 minutes later, she's in the same room with her and it's like nothing happened.
Shaw has the alien squid thing removed, but nothing is said about it (Except in a deleted scene with Vickers and Weyland).
Two engineers enter the ampule room, none leave, so where are their bodies?
None of the writing in the temple was ever translated by David, it would've been cool if he had read aloud something from the writings.
Why didn't the scanner pick up the black goo stuff in the Engineers head? Wouldn't it register as an infectious agent or DNA manipulating virus or something?
Just small things for the most part, I enjoyed the film, but it felt rushed and could've been so much better.
Kinda reminds me of the Lost TV series in a way, a ton of questions and very few answers.
@Aorta "I only recognize Alien and Prometheus as canon."
Yep. And RS has said as such. He and Fox basically have taken over the franchise and righted the ship. No more BS pseudo-Action comedy Hollywood crap ("Aliens"), no more dark,pretentious, boring, brooding, near comic book fare ("Alien 3"), and THANK GOD, no more Alien NEWBORNS and NO MORE CLONED RIPLEY's! ("Alien Rez"). Thank god!
I wouldn't say I know of anyone who hates proetheus solely because its a bad movie. I think pormetheu is an excellent movie. the problem facing Prometheus is pure disappointment. ridley himself announced an ALIEN prequel and a script was written which was pretty bad ass, for an alien movie. then he changed it. that, as far as I can tell is the only real issue most have with Prometheus and so they look to pick the movie to pieces. when Prometheus is viewed with an open mind, its an excellent stand alone, jumpoff movie. yes some things in the movie were hard to take such as milburns idiotic calmness towards the hammerpede. but to him h had just discovered life bigger than a microbe. if u view Prometheus as what it was meant to be then it serves its purpose. there is going to be at 2 more after AC so what sense would it have made to give us all the answers in Prometheus??? wouldn't make any sense what so ever. Prometheus did what it was made to do. get the alien universe talking and speculating again, asking questions and looking for answers. tho there r holes in the movie, u can say the same about almost every other movie made. what goes against Prometheus more than anything else is what I said at the beginning, disappointment from fans who were, quite rightly, looking forward to the alien prequel ridley announced was coming but never got
1.The cast is well picked
Well, yes besides the Holloway actor.
2.The acting was top notch
Absolutely not or the directing sucks.
Because there is certainly a reason for such poor performance for some quite great actors whom the potential has been litteraly wasted.
3.The story itself was great
The previous drafts were significantly superior and way more interesting.
And stories about ancient astronaut theory or supposedly advanced species are almost always disapointing.
Because almost no director/writer is able to showcase such being in a realistic and entertaining way.
The closest was Stanley Kubrick with the monolith builders and JMS with the first ones of Babylon 5.
Let take the engineers.
A so called advanced race whom the sole survivor could have been easily accessed to and killed with close to no trouble by the Prometheus crew.
A so called superior being which can't do better than wipe out intruders with his bare hands.
Imagine if he has to face marines from aliens.
A so called superior being which doesn't even try to learn whatever happen during his sleep and to find out how more evolved/advanced are human beings to become an interstellar species in the last 2 thousands of years.
A so called superior technology which on several points is as primitive as human technology.
Their hibernating pod look quite primitive.
A so called superior ship which can't even avoid a less advanced ship, prevent any damage from it or simply destroy it before it becomes dangerous.
The scene where the Juggernaut is stopped and damaged by the Prometheus is one of the worse of all the movies.
No forgetting the stupidity of almost all the characters.
The characters seem for most of them stupid, unlikable and not relatable.
You see i strongly dislike stupid characters, and the more stupid they are, the more i dislike them.
I think that even in a horror movie, characters do not have to be stupid for shit to happen.
In Alien, the character were not stupid, even if some take stupid decisions, yet there is almost nothing they could do to survive the Xenomorph.
In predator, also the characters were not stupid yet they get wiped out beside Dutch who survives almost by luck.
Etc...
So no this story is not that great but had a lot of wasted potential !
4.It made the Alien universe much larger.
yes but at the same time it does close to nothing useful with this larger Universe.
5.A great movie is all ways supposed to leave you asking questions
Yes, but not to answer almost none of the questions, it is supposed to answer.
6.The man himself Ridley Scott made it so put some respect on his name.
Yes, he is a great director but he is not the best and has released some quite disapointing movies such as Exodus which sucks and off course Prometheus.
I loved Prometheus & will always want to see more about Engineers!
Plot holes, to me, are merely seen as ploy holes, because Sir Ridley was not ready to address everything in Prometheus. That to me is good news to see what can be told over the next (2-3) sequel/prequels!
I am so ready for more!!
I was kind of looking foward to seeing another alien movie, until I just realised it was a sequel to Prometheus. So I am not going to see Alien Covenant, I'm going steer clear of it as far as possible, because I do hate Prometheus, I hate it with searing passion that I didn't think was possible at the time, and I didn't want to remember that drivel existed. But since the question was asked, now I'm going to answer it.
I realise xenomorphs have have been skrewed over countless spin-offs and movies, I was okay with that, because I thought I would always have the mystery aspect of the origins of the original alien movie preserved. Questions we could not have answer for, that fired up imaginations, in the endless cold outerspace. Well fuck that, am I right! The space Jockey, is now a generic human like alien, connected to humans which it created, the xenos are definetly bio weapons they designed, and any objective observer can see the alienverse shrinking to human proportions.
It's movie full of philosophical posturing, with junk science, in the face of sciencetific knowledge and contempt for skepticism, for vague non-sensical justification of faith. It has uncessary manufactured action movie scenes, with superhuman physique and performances, compared to the frailty of human experience in the actual alien movies. It's tips it's toes to ”hip” issues, like AI/transhumanism, but fumbles in execution compared to much better movies fully dedicated to such musing, as Blade Runner. The humans and protheans act and are really stupid in their planning and behaviour, well I suppose the movie is at least consistent in this regard. The Acting is at most tolerable, at worst really bad, but what can you expect in a movie script this bad. In short the questions that movie raised are not worth answering, but buried deep and forgotten till the end of time.
The Star Wars prequels were bad, but those movies just left me disappointed. Seeing Prometheus was like the time I watched Fantastic Four 2005, and came out truly despicing the time I spent watching the movie and regretting it. The sad thing is I have no real fondness of Fantastic Four so that movies existence is not a big deal, but did like the Alien franchise despite it's constantly declining quality. The Ridley Scott Alien prequels, are a permanent maligned parasite, that is killing any enjoyment I have for these movies. Maybe I'm wrong and things will improve with this movie, but I don't believe it or count on it or give it a chance, I'm out. Game over.
Sorry, about the long ranty answer. Now that I got that out off my system. Good luck to those who go see the Prometheus sequel, I do hope you enjoy it.
Okay, so I have been a big fan of the Alien franchise for quite a long time and I am super stoked about Alien: Covenant. It should've came out in 2016! Those son of a b1t$h3s decided to rewrite the script though. Oh well, it is here and it looks stellar in the information released on it. From all of this hype, I've been getting into reading a lot of theories people have for the story of the Engineers. One thing that I like about Alien is the fact that it just has a realistic feel to it, but the story, to me, seems to lack realism at points. I know that Alien takes place in an alternate universe besides our own, real one (to bad, I would have liked it to take place in ours), but I did at one time think we lived in the Alien universe with the original Alien movies (1-Resurrection). Alien takes place in 2124 AD. That could be enough time to have deep space travel (with a heavy acceleration in technology for sure). The Prometheus story takes place in 2089 AD, which could allow for deep space travel to exist in our world. It would be a stretch, but I think it could be possible in our universe at the time of the Prometheus expedition. I love how even from the start, Alien took place so far ahead in time from where we live that it lets my imagination run wild because that techology could be possible by that time. The Weyland TED talk in 2023 is purely fictional, but his personality does seem like it could fit our times in the up-and-coming 2023. Sadly, that time is fast approaching, so it does take some realism away from the movie since Weyland will never actually exist. Of course, I haven't seen the original Alien movies in some time, so maybe in my ramble I am overlooking some detail that takes away realism from the story possibly existing in our own universe, which would make it actually a 'true' story. No one is going to remember Alien in 2124 AD, which almost makes the movie timeless since the story could never be proven to be wrong.
Okay, let me get on to why I made this post.
What do you think about this?
It's about the Prometheus story. These 'scientists' go to a strange moon and land and start studying the first thing they see. Shouldn't they have sent a satellite to the moon before they arrived? If the Prometheus ship takes two years to get to LV-223, then a satellite should get there sooner since it is smaller and have time to make enough passes over the moon to get a nice satellite map of the moon. From this, the 'scientists' could study and find out what is really on that rock. I think it wasn't smart at all to just land a trillion dollar expedition with human lives at stake for the first structure these 'scientists' see. They moved to quick, which resulted in the failed Prometheus mission. I say failed because so many unnecessary lives died. I guess Weyland's agenda was completed though. If these 'scientists' had satellite data of LV-223, they would see that there would be more than one dome structure (which would mean there would be more than one ship) which would mean there is only one kind of architecture on this moon which would provide insight into the purpose of this structure and which could give the idea that there is no life on this moon, but lifeforms did exist on this moon at some time because there is architecture. Once the large data is found, they would go and explore one of the structures knowing that they have a strong chance of being alone on LV-223. Although, the satellite(s) would need enough time to prove that there is no movement on the surface and, if there is any life, they would be self-contained in the architecture. If that is so, then why are they built so far apart. Are they connected through underground tunnels? That question would be answered quickly after Fifield releases his 'pups'. Let the mapping do the work before you explore (at least with that kind of technology since if Magellan never explored, we wouldn't have advanced as a human race, but I am not a historian in any way). From these 'pups', the Prometheus crew would have found out that there was a ship beneath the dome architecture. From releasing 'pup's in the other domes, they would find that there would be more ships under the domes. Eventually a ship would have to be explored. I would image that a person would logically come to the conclusion that something left them here and that it would be safe to explore at the current moment since the satellite didn't pick up any movement on the surface for some time. With finding some dead engineers in the dome and carbon dating their bodies, they would find that this place has been alone for a long time. If the 'scientists' had the information from studying the moon slowly, they wouldn't have to rely on David for so much, which could have put the 'scientists' in control instead of David. I think David took control of the mission because the 'scientists' are crippled by the fact that they don't know as much as they should know. They're learning tons of information all at once because they didn't do proper research which puts David in control because he is applying his information gathered in the two year journey and learning from his application. These 'scientists' are putting to much faith in David's two year studying from Holloway's thesis and not taking their time to learn from what is really there on the moon. In the end, I guess David could still just eventually touch everything and eventually wake up the Engineer and the Prometheus crew could eventually all die, except for Shaw and David (unless the writers would have a different plan with the story). Still, if the Prometheus crew had more information, would they have studied the ship which had Engineers in it or would they have studied an empty ship, which would have changed the ending completely.
The story actually presented in Prometheus just doesn't seem to make sense at points from a scientific perspective. The whole mission was rushed, not because of Weyland's time frame, but because the scientists just got excited (too excited for a trillion dollar mission far from any help with other lives than their own at stake).
One thing that I read in people's thoughts on Prometheus is that they didn't like how the 'scientists' took off their helmets when they found the air was safe. I guess I could argue that technology in 2093 AD could detect diseases that could hurt humans besides just checking the elements that make up the air. If not, the these 'scientists' are rushing themselves even more!
I still like Prometheus though, but I am curious what someone else thinks about this rush-of-the-story mentality. I guess the writers just jumped to the fact that one of those ships are going to be explored in the end, so they just saved some time and made the movie even scarier while giving David control to create more horror in the film.
Any thoughts?
All this excitement from Alien: Covenant got me back into the Alien franchise.