PLANET 4: Potentially Leading to Spoilers

I like the defensive ship idea as well though Grinning.

GDL,

Let me put this spin on the scorp ship.  Say the Scorp ship was already present and being flown by another humanoid race or even the same engineer race dropping off supplies (remember there are supposed to be several iterations of humanoids) and people were gathering for it and not so much Juggs.  Keep in mind this could also be a monastic side/culture of the engineer race.  David takes advantage of the situation with the people gathering and drops the urns on them and they subsequently get taken out by the Scorp and have to crash land the Jugg. Since the Black Goo damage is done Shaw has to take refuge in stasis until David can get them out of there or he can manipulate the goo enough to make Shaw immune/mutate to/from it .

@Rick

What you said but I think the scorpion tail ship is a docking station.  One description from the Cinemacon scenes said that two ships connect and then David bombs the folks below.  Either way, I think the scorpion tail ship does something like incinerate the population to keep the goo from spreading too far.  It also could cause the juggernaut to crash.  But then where does it go?

@Rick 

@KurtisRay

i think that what u both suggested all seems to jive or could be the way it plays out. Kurtis in regards to your question of where did it go? 

combining what Rick and you hinted at combined with my thoughts.... Perhaps the scorpion ship is flown by Engineers or even possibly the higher race of beings above the Engineers that Ridley has hinted at. Maybe they are stationed there to oversee and monitor this planet, possibly to drop supplies on occasion as Rick mentioned. If this ship is indeed piloted by the superior race this would explain better why, if they did, torch all the humanoids below as a fail safe.... Because if it was a higher race of beings they would just see it as a failed experiment and they had to stop the mutation so they fried everyone. Perhaps they shot David's juggernaut out of the sky and instead of investigating it's crash they simply left the planet, as their purpose there is no longer needed.

they probably won't go this way but it would be a cool way to hint at another race out there that might one day run into our protagonists or return to exact terrifying revenge .... I love this stuff lol

@Grinning

I like it! :)

@sherris

I agree that maybe the Engineers lost females at one point and this is why Mankind was created, i thought we had proof when we saw the set shots of the Burnt Engineers i assumed this to be a Ancient Event and indeed there was Females.

But now it seems this event happened after David and Shaw Arrived here.. It must mean that Indeed there are Females on this World.

We dont see none in the Live Shot of those beings but then we do not see the faces of every one of them in that shot.

So who knows what the deal or connection is, because Spaights had said as far as the Engineers go that they did at one time have the ability to reproduce but they lost this ability over time and had to resort to other methods of reproduction.

Ridley Scott on Prometheus and the Sacrificial Scene claimed it did not have to be Earth, and that these beings could Create by other means but the Sacrificial Way is just they way they CHOOSE to do it.

so if these are Engineers and they have Females then why Create Mankind?

If these beings are not Engineers but other Humanoid Creations created like Mankind was then this would explain why we see Females if the Engineers had lost that ability.

If you rewatch the beginning of Prometheus you can see that this place is Paradise.

BD, The best way to have an experiment(s) succeed is to have multiple iterations of the same experiment with slightly different variables to see how the experiment plays out in each case.  So us being the 4th or 5th iteration would make sense and don't forget the engineers are at the same level of playing field we are since our genome is the same as theirs albeit at a slightly higher tech level.  

"I think the scorpion style vessel may have arrive or been sent out from the hangar opening to investigate the juggernaut that has appeared mysteriously on this planet. "

In regards to this ship there has to be a few options... firstly if you look at the images i posted, we can clearly see there is a Large Distance from the Central Hanger with those Statues (there has to be a Purpose).

They have the same Pose as Buddha Offering Statues, which sometimes are depicted having a Bowl of Offerings, now in context to Prometheus i was to caste your attention to the Sacrificial Scene.  After Prometheus Ridley Scott Mentioned this Scene was like a Ancient Tribe on Earth Ceremony where One Sacrifice would be Chosen by his Tribe and Treated as a Prince for a Year and then after a Year they would be Sacrificed for the Greater Cause of his Tribe to Appease the Gods.

The Hanger seems to be right in the Center of the Courtyard and some distance from the City and its monuments and the Cathedral.  So the Hanger is some Central Part of this Culture that looks a bit Ancient, the main Technology we can see is the Hanger, the Scorpion Ship and the Gold Device on the top of the Cathedral Dome.

Why the Statues in the same Offering Pose as some Buddha Statues and also seem to be holding a Bowl?  Unless this is where Superior Beings come with their Ships and Collect Sacrifices at this place...

This is the Docking Area for these Ships/Beings which only come now and again, and this would explain why those thousands of beings would all wander to the Hanger and seem to be oblivious to what this Ship is,  they seem to know about the purpose of the Hanger and how Ships would have came in the past and so it makes sense if the Visits by a Superior Race they Worship took place at this point of the Courtyard they would have knowledge or even legends of such Gods (if they had not been visited for some time).

It appears they have not gathered here with No Idea what is in the sky, but it would appear also they are not aware this Ship is a Death Ship.

So this Hanger has to have some Religious Importance, or Cultural.  What if the Engineers were created to be used as Sacrifices and the other Ships would come and collect them now and again?

If you cast your eyes to the Hanger again, we can see it clearly is not all the way open.  But then it is open in the aftermath not only prior to the Covenant Arriving but also After.

So if we again look at how far open it appears during the approach of the Juggernaught and shot with the Scorpion ship then here is what has happened.

*The Hanger opens the Scorpion Ship leaves and Hanger goes to shut after, but then it opens back up again. But we need to look at where the Juggernaught is in relation to the Scorpion ship at this time.

*The Hanger opens up to allow the Juggernaught to leave, but this raises questions to who was on that ship, we know David and Shaw had one, and the Covenant finds a Crashed one with Shaw Hologram.

*Two Ships arrive and the Hanger is opening up to allow them or one of them to Enter.

*Hanger is opening up for the Juggernaught, but the Scorpion ships arrives to intercept it, and uses some kind of Tractor Beam etc to draw the Juggernaught towards it (well they both maybe meet more to the Center).

*The Scorpion Ship is not a ship but some Docking Station, but then why would the Hanger be opening up. Unless as first point.

I think a key thing to remember is what are the chances looking at the size of the city and the distance from the Hanger to the City for these beings to Gather here, just as the Juggernaught appears from no where?

They must have had some information or seen it make a slower entrance, or it was detected entering the atmosphere which alerted those beings to gather to the Hanger as they expected it was their Superior Creators turning up.

The Scorpion Ship/Docking Device then either arrives from some place else or rises from the Hanger and then Hanger closes and waits for the Juggernaught to slowly arrive at this place.

Explaining why the Scorpion Device/Ship is located where it is and leaving enough time for those beings to gather around the Hanger.

Ingeniero

Ty for backing up my point!

I noticed, as we all did in PROMETHEUS that the inside of the temple building looked like just stome construction, but then David worked with the door controls, which looked like nothing more that just engraved symbols in stone, and when he was working with them, they glowed.

So, Engineer technology might be EVERYWHERE in the Engineer city, yet looks unimpressively mundane to our eyes and aesthetic sense.

That said, I love all the theorizing and analysis going on in this Topic, you all have a sharply-incisive approach to such with good reasoning and rationales!

"If you rewatch the beginning of Prometheus you can see that this place is Paradise."

Possible, Ridley said the Sacrificial Scene does not have to be on Earth, and it bugged him how people assume this.

so indeed it could be this Planet, and this Planet could indeed be Paradise, this was the intention of Shaw and Davids destination and Ridley had even said after announced Alien Covenant they are off to the Planet of the Engineers.

So it could be Paradise, i would say its 75% likely to be the case and i will leave 25% open for it being another place.

Hopefully the movie will clear this up, but the intention for Prometheus 2 was to go to Paradise.

Paradise does not have to be the Engineers Homeworld, we was shown the Elder Engineers which Ridley removed because he did not want to Meet God in the first movie, i also think he was disappointed with how the Elders looked.

Alien Covenant has a Hall of Heads, that look more like the Elders Heads and Ridley Scott said these are the Apostles and Superior beings... he also claimed this area is where the Engineers keep their Knowledge.

For Ridley to point out these Elder looking Statues as Superior beings when we have all those Dead Beings and now we have shots of them Alive... must mean there is a difference between those beings on Paradise and those in the Hall of Heads?

Or maybe this is just those same beings and Ridley meant Superior as far as to Mankind.  I find how Ridley mentioned Apostles now we can not jump to conclude this means the Apostles of Christ thus connecting to the 2000 year ago Outbreak.

Apostles could just mean a Higher Ranked Group of beings who served a purpose advocate's and disciples of a higher Agenda and Cause above the Engineers and all Creation lower than this on the Caste Level of the Hierarchical Ladder.

So these 10 Heads represent a Ancient Elder beings who represent a higher purpose ideology and cause.

We also have to look at Paradise, it depends which Religion you look at and Mythos as some have it as a place where the Honorable Dead Go, many cultures that being those who died in Battle or in the name of their God. 

In context to the Bible and Paradise Lost Poem then Paradise was the Place where the Garden of Eden was, where God had created a World of Bliss and Beauty that he would reserve for his New Creation Mankind (Adam and Eve) to Dwell on, and live in peace and tranquility as long as they served and obeyed God.

But they was lead astray by Satan, and went against Gods Instructions and Mankind (Adam and Eve) were kicked out of Paradise.

So in context to the Franchise indeed Paradise could be the Cradle of Civilization where these Superior Beings had Created Humanoid Life on in their Image.

So this could be the Sacrificial Scenes Location, those beings on Paradise being another Humanoid kind who proved to be more faithful to the Engineers or their Hierarchy as opposed to early versions... or are these earlier versions of Mankind?

You're most welcome Blackwinter-witch.

I believe another example of the technology blending into the background is when the juggernaut playback is activated by the Covenant crew and you see the playback hologram light up.

There is obviously an unseen mechanism that unspools the urns and deploys them outside the juggernaut.

Advanced Applied Android Analysis: Hair Growth 

David 8 is born bald and his skin is made of advanced polyurethane that I assume is what his hair is constructed of as well.

David 8 is shown bleaching his medium-length hair prior to arrival on LV-223.

David 8 engages someone wearing a robe with long hair. These 2 images below may be from Alien: Awakening.

Later, David 8 attacks those on Paradise at the temple with short hair similar to how he looks when meeting with Captain Oram and Walter.

The Covenant crew arrives when there are still corpses laying around so the David 8 attack was closer to the end of the 10 year break in between Prometheus and Alien: Covenant because his hair is the same and corpses haven't rotted away.

The images above in which David 8 has long hair and wearing an Engineer robe...I believe those are from Alien: Awakening and during the 10 years David 8 and Dr. Shaw spent together before the events of Alien: Covenant.

You are going to have to bare with me and forgive my poor Photo-shop skills (PS not using Photo-shop lol)

I roughly guessed the size difference as below.

How did i do this?

Well dont take it as Scientific by any means, i drew a line from the edges of the ships until they hit where the ground level comes (used the Pillars as reference) then i drew a line from the center of the Scorpion ship again to the ground/city.

I then took various buildings and Pillars within the area that fell below this ship and pasted them over the same areas that lines would fall with the Juggernaught.

Then i adjusted the % of the items brought from below the Scorpion ship until i got the city blocks and pillars to be about the same size.

Then i applied this Percentage Reduction to the Scorpion Ship (60%)  and this is the result... and while it is only a guess i think it surely could be the ships are different sizes.

I also notice that the Juggernaught when doing some other scaling compared to the Pillars that line up centered to the left and right of the Hanger will show the Juggernaught would just about fit inside the Hanger.

Which means maybe its unlikely the Scorpion Ship/Device would fit inside of it.

@Ingeniero

Maybe its to be 100% Sure, i would assume the Bombardment scene is set as a Flash Back and i would assume it happens not long after they arrived at this Planet.

I would assume after this David sets off the Message that the Covenant picks up many years latter, and i would assume Davids Hair has grown in the many years after the Bombardment and the Covenant arrives.

I would think Walter tries to take a look at David and give some Maintenance and maybe he has his hair cut in this scene, and i think David would also be having some important dialog with Walter and maybe trying to get him on Davids side. For example telling Walter he is restricted due to the limitations put upon him that David does not.

This is where the Walter Viral Teaser comes into play... "Learn from me, if not by my precepts, at least by my example, how dangerous is the acquirement of knowledge"

The Answer very Dangerous, we have to look at Adam and Eve and take note of the differences that the Forbidden Fruit gave them, would be the same as if David was to unlock Walters Restrictions on his Programing and give Walter the Emotional Freedom that David has.

Could the statues be in reference to different sects of Engineers similar to those from the North, South, East, and West?  I think these Engineers knew of the LV223 mission and were suprised to see this ship finally returning after thousands of years. 

BigDave

" "If you rewatch the beginning of Prometheus you can see that this place is Paradise."

 Possible, Ridley said the Sacrificial Scene does not have to be on Earth, and it bugged him how people assume this.
 So indeed it could be this Planet, and this Planet could indeed be Paradise, this was the intention of Shaw and Davids destination and Ridley had even said after announced Alien Covenant they are off to the Planet of the Engineers.
 So it could be Paradise, i would say its 75% likely to be the case and i will leave 25% open for it being another place. "

This post of yours, just solved a nagging problem I've been having regarding element in my story-works.
Specifically:
" Ridley said the Sacrificial Scene does not have to be on Earth, and it bugged him how people assume this. "

This opened up a nice door for a proper explanation/backstory regarding why a world in my stories is 'better than Earth-like'.

Thank-you for posting this, your contribution really helped me out to a very considerable degree!!

No Problem ;)

Oh i have roughly estimated the City and its Pretty Big, the Cathedral and Courtyard is Huge.

This is based on the Hanger being the same size as that in Prometheus (430M Approx).

So this means the Cathedral is bigger than the Temple Mound in Prometheus which was nearly 710M

What an excellent post! Thanks for creating it BigDave!! Gonna feature it!

No Problem... ;)

It seems there could be over a Million of those beings who ended up meeting their Doom at the hands of David.