Finding Walter?

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MemberFacehuggerMay 24, 20177482 Views35 RepliesOk, I saw the movie Monday night & I loved it! Sort of hard to make out things due to being very dark & my eyesight, but fantastic, none the less! My question is this: If we assume Walter not to be dead, what has he chosen? Will he remain on Planet 4 to tend to the creations of his 'Brother' David, or will he follow his duty protocol & come to the rescue of the Covenant crew, to become the 'Big Guy in the Chair'?
I believe the fact that the movie does not reveal the end of their fight can mean that Walter will return. Personally I would be happy to see a this kind of storyline. I don't think he would like to remain on the planet. :)
@Ati - I agree! Walter was a very likeable character, for me! I think Walter's duty code is extremely strong in him! I mean, I did not see anyone else punch a fill-grown Neomorph in the mouth!
Me too. I really liked Walter and wanted to see more of him.
Perhaps he will explore the city and find a way off Planet 4.
There would certainly have been more deaths if he hadn't come to the rescue. His saving Daniels could prove fruitful to the future storyline...wink..wink...
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger
the a:c marketing made quite a big deal over walter.
after my first viewing i was a bit underwhelmed because i thought he would of played a bigger role.
my first thoughts were that we would see more of walter.
if david has somehow gotten control of walter through a hack or virus planted into at some point then it leaves us a few possibilities.
david is now in walters body and davids body is done. this will leave the possibility that david can possibly hack muthur too.
david is on the covenant disguised as walter - walters body heals and david now has control of walter - he leaves walter to continue his work on paradise OR goes back for him. he now has a team. david, walter, then muthur is next.
if walter is stranded in the city, still walter, he could maybe get a ship to follow the covenant or the engineers223 or the elders turn up and contact with walter.
they then try to save the covenant AND/OR destroy david.
if it is the elders who get the engineers 223 to seed planets and create life then they may want to save the colony ship. as our creators.
i understand that the engineers 223 wanted to destroy humanity but that doesnt have to mean the elders want the same. they may be at war (theory i have)
this would link the engineers back in the story and its my only hope of ever seeing them again i think.
Take This.... This is the blood of our lord
im still hoping that we get something next time.
exactly the same hopes as i did after prometheus
you never know we could get a story with the engineers that gives us something weve missed.
Take This.... This is the blood of our lord
@sherris~ That's what I am hoping for too!
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger
Sherris, I cannot agree more, I would absolutely like to see them ol' elderly jockeys go after David and rescue their babies (colonists) and maybe Walter somehow managed to learn their language, since he is indeed in Paradise
Omg @sheris I love this story direction that you proposed - esp the idea of poor Walter regenerating and being the Ai that is dependable and a fresh hope that you can trust that for once the robot is the unwavering heroic guy. I would love that the elders return and team up with him, and save the Covenant and all of the precious cargo.
In my humble opinion The Engineers just can't be brushed aside so easily. If they are the seeders of the many universes, they can't just wither away & only have been concentrated on one planet. That would not be something that any kind of Engineer would make the mistake of doing. I'm sure that they have been looking on, watching and waiting to see what unfolds. What an epic story arc that would be. Full of many possibilities and many ways that we could look into their history and us too "Learn of their ways"! We all know that David thought less of them, but let us learn and make our own opinions thanks!!
BRING BACK THE ENGINEERS!!
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LOYAL WALTER!!
BRING BACK THE ENGINEERS!!
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LOYAL WALTER!!
Hell yes!!! To both!!
Walter was such a sweetie, I can't believe that would be it for him...
there is no way that the synthetic body that returned to the covenant is david. its not possible. if u remember the last scene between david and walter, david says its up to walter to choose but if u listen, davids voice has been damaged. there is no way he could repair that, rip off an arm and still get back to help the others let alone get changed into walters clothes.
That depends on the timeline. It wasn't a mere 30 seconds between Daniels and Lope escaping the Cathedral, and climbing onto the crane tug. It was more like five minutes, which for an android with superior strength and speed, would have been more than enough time to steal Walter's clothes and escape. Walter only needed to be incapacitated for long enough for David to escape. Likely explains why he looks behind him when he exist the temple.
As for his voice, how do we know that David doesn't have some measure of self-repair? Not necessarily to the degree that Walter does, but he would have the basics at least.
The time between the fight and Walter/David returning to the crew is about 20 minutes. Ridley Scott mentioned it here.
This is part of a longer essay I've written on foreshadowing and religion in Prometheus and Covenant, you can read that here, but, this is the part that's relevant - my theory on how David became Walter:
Towards the end of the Walter viral a disclaimer is made across the bottom of the screen, it states that there will be: ‘No refunds after consciousness imprint,’ it seems to be generally assumed that David impersonated Walter, presumably cutting off his hand to do so but I don’t think this is the case. The meetwalter.com site allows you to pick your Walter, once you do your ‘unique biosocial stamp [will be] imprinted onto your unit’s AMD consciousness chip and [he will] become your lifetime genetic companion.’ I’m going to make an assumption about the Covenant’s Walter, I don’t believe this imprinting has happened to him. One might argue that it’s Daniel’s as he seems to favour her, but then one may also argue that as Daniel’s lost her husband then Walter is being supportive, which is what he’s programmed to do so there is no irony in Walter telling David it was his duty. The Covenant’s Walter is there to serve the mission, that’s his primary objective, so if the consciousness imprint hasn’t taken place then this leaves Walter susceptible to an imprint from David. I’ll assume that the imprint for a human is to install a consciousness in the Walter unit which makes it unique to its owner, what if that isn’t the case with David? What if that means that he can transfer his consciousness into Walter’s body? This means that when David as Walter infers that he killed David he’s not lying, that body maybe dead but David was resurrected in Walter’s body which had been prepared right from the beginning to receive the true ‘son’.
I don't buy the David/Walter mind swap theory. Purely judging by the fact that Walter has a measure of skin healing, I doubt he'd need to staple his face back together if David really had taken over Walter's body. 20 minutes is more than enough time for David to incapacitate Walter and nick his clothes.
We also have to take into account that Walter was created long after the Prometheus went missing, so any precept that he could receive David's consciousness as pre-prepared, would be flawed. Weyland had no hand in Walter's creation, and given that Weyland himself didn't expect to die, he wouldn't have made any plans for not returning.
Now, as for imprinting, as a company model rather than a consumer model, there wouldn't be a need for it. He would have been programmed as a separate unit designed to function on a long term colonisation mission. Perhaps the imprinting was turned off or never installed in him at all, purely for this reason, so he could never be manipulated by an assumed owner, and would treat the crew with equal measure.
so what ur saying is the walter that gets switched on is the same walter we see in the movie?unable to be modified to update his programming? sounds a pretty stupid design imo. hed be obsolete in 5 years at the rate technology evolves so I don't see any company making a synthetic that cant ha their programming updated.
Yes. Who is to say he wouldn't be obsolete? If we look at the model numbers, David was model 8. According to the promo material for Walter, he is model 79.
In terms of the Walter on the Covenant, it's possible there are updates available to him as time goes on, purely so he remains useful to the crew long term. According to the novelisation however, he was only charged with looking after the vessel until they reached Origae-6. Once they got there, he wouldn't be needed.
Also, I've been listening to that interview on Empire with RS, and around 24 mins in, he specifically says that David nicks Walter's clothes, cuts off his hand and escapes, and it takes around 20 minutes. There's no mind swap.
@Seph7 Sorry, the part about Walter being prepared to become David from the outset refers to the rest of the full article I wrote, it's more to do with narrative structure, references to religion and foreshadowing than any literal idea that the designers within Weyland-Yutani had prepared Walter to become David. Sorry, that's my bad, didn't think about the context once I removed it from the rest of the article.
I will argue that Weyland did have a hand in Walter's creation, given that Weyland presumably built the synthetics to begin with and Walter looks exactly like the one synthetic Weyland called his 'son'. Weyland may not have had a direct hand in building Walter but his influence is certainly there. As to the last point, there may well be no need for a company model to include the imprinting but as it's a design feature of Walter then there's no evidence to confirm it would have been turned off - there is evidence to show it is part of his design. As for the skin healing, seems weird doesn't it, but then it also seems weird for David to have inflicted the exact same wounds onto his face as we see on Walter's, especially considering no-one else saw these wounds so they do nothing whatsoever to convince the crew that it's Walter not David.
@ali81 It might not be the exact same Walter in the movie and the Walter viral but in essence, yes, they're the same otherwise there's no point in Ridley Scott producing the viral for it in the first place! That design is the design stated in the viral, I didn't make that up. He wouldn't be obsolete anyway, it's possible to upgrade software and hardware whilst maintaining the same base functionality.
I suppose for David, looking like Walter was paramount, regardless of whether Daniels and Lope knew what damage he had taken. Part of 'getting into character' so to speak, as we know David is a fan of the theatrical.
In terms of Weyland's influence on Walter, I'd say it was minimal. Let's face it, after David left on the Prometheus, the company would have soon learned that Weyland we nowhere to be found, and had more freedom on where to take the company and its interests. As Walter said, David disturbed people. I think even Weyland himself can see that during the beginning of the movie, but his ego is too inflated to admit he made a mistake. He said David was perfect. I doubt anyone else on earth agreed.