The Mural in Prometheus

@Lawrence of Arabia - "The Mural in Prometheus is The Deacon. In "The Furious Gods: The Making of Prometheus" it states it as so. When watching chapter 6 "Demons in the Dark" there is an Enhancement video that details this."

Nothing in The Furious Gods or the enhancement videos states this, unless you mean Steve Messing's comments. What he said  sounded more like his thoughts and opinions though, not anything canonical.

"The  Xenomorph was, in my mind, a descendant of the Ultramorph…it was the pure form of this kind of, almost this virus that these Engineers had created. They are a lot about sacrifice, so in my mind, there was an Engineer that sacrificed himself with this virus, and it created this horrific creature. This being that was going to eradicate planets. It was this parasite that would destroy the planet and then they could start over and re-birth it. They kind of worshipped it, and that is where you see this relief sculpture, where it’s almost a religious sculpture. As it got kind of, the virus spread and got polluted, the xenomorph was an evolutionary descendant that was not as pure.” Steven Messing

It sounds like he thinks an Engineer sacrificed himself to make the original we see in the mural.

@Kethol

Did you also read the description of the creature in the concept art as well? You do have a point that it could just be his opinion but if it's in the official release as info for the creature, shouldn't we take that as canon as opposed to fan theories? I'm not saying we shouldn't still debate this or have our own notions but where else do we derive facts if not from insiders? I guess we'll have to wait for an official comment by Ridley himself but I still stand by what I think. Doesn't the mural look more like a Deacon and less like a traditional Xenomorph?

I definitely would not take any opinions stated in the documentary as canon unless they are definitively stated as facts, especially considering most of the designers started work with Spaith's scripts, then things evolved and changed with Lindelof's drafts.  I think Steve was just stating what he thought. There are lots of conflicting opinions stated all over that documentary. That said, I agree with some of what he thinks. He designed the relief mural in the head room too, so he probably came up with a whole backs story in his head.

The on-screen text at the beginning of the Deacon enhancement pod is really the only definitive stuff in the documentary -

"Originally known as the Ultramorph, this final incarnation of the PROMETHEUS mutations was always intended to be a missing link of sorts between this film and the other entries in the ALIEN series. Effectively the unholy offspring of all the infected victims who came before it. This creature was originally intended to have more screen time, pursuing Shaw and David to the second Juggernaut ship, narrowly missing them as they leave the planet."

Other than the obvious relationship to the something-morph shown in the mural, nothing there indicates anything other than the Ultramorph being a new cross bred hybrid created from the family tree shown to be in the movie. Neal Scanlan made that same point in the Furious Gods too -

"Holloway is infected, he then impregnates Shaw, and from that Shaw gives birth, in a sense, to what we call the Medpod Creature. That then grows into the Trilobite…and that, ultimately the Engineer crossed with the trilobite, gives us what we call the Deacon, and he is,  as far as the film is concerned, the penultimate combination of all of this."

He also said this in the Prometheus art book -

"It came from Shaw and Holloway, which then produced the Trilobite, which impregnated the Engineer, which then mixed its DNA with the Trilobite. We tried to hold on to some of Shaw, some femininity since it was born of a female before being born of a male."
Neal Scanlan - creature effects designer

What description in the concept art are you referring to?

I had pointed this out recently that a lot had changed well a bit, between Conception == Alien: Engineers ==> Paradise ==> Prometheus and then how they changed things after.

My last reply HERE simplifies things...

So when we consider all those comments we have to reflect on what Process they was taken from...  The Virus Statement i believe is clearly the Mutagen/Tool they use to Create Life the Sacrificial Goo, which allows for all life in contact with it to basically be broken down into Genetic Related DNA and then Reform into a Virus that passes on the Sacrifices DNA... in effect dropping down a Pile of Sacrificial Goo will Destroy all Life on a World and then allow it to restart within the same Image/Design as intended...  The Black Goo would change that Design.. to something that instead contains Xeno-strain DNA.

I think the Xenomorph and Deacon and thus Black Goo is when the Sacrificial Virus/Tool is accidentally infected with a Organism/Parasite Related to the Xenomorph.

I may have to Post what the SOURCE i had passed on 2.5 years ago as they gave a number of hints...  on Topic... i can pick out how they referred to the Goo/Creation Tool as being a Tool like Nuclear Power that has Good and Benevolent uses, but also can be used for Malevolent and Destructive reasons.

They then also brought up LV-223 and mentioned the Movie the Fly... where a Benevolent Invention for a Good Reason could lead to undesired Results via a Accident...  AKA the Fly Entering the Teleportation Device... so i think the Source was hinting at something Accidentally coming into contact with the Engineers Tool to create those Horrors.

The Source claimed the Xenomorph Origins are a Parasitic Worm-like Organism that is related to Echinoderms and Cnidaria and have a varied Life Cycle.

I think regarding the Ultramorph Comment... we maybe need to consider its Origins was from discovering the Engineers Outpost that had a Outbreak where they was infected by the Creatures they had experimented on... they had created some Evolved Versions of these that then had infected the Engineers.  So the Engineer was Face Hugged thousands of years ago..  and went into Cryo-sleep and was awoken by the Human Explorers who then condemned him to his FATE and he birthed the Ultramorph.

The Holloway/Shaw one is about the Black Goo that infected Shaw through Holloway and created a Hybrid Face Hugger that had some of Shaws DNA as well as the Mutagen Black Goo.

Thus the Deacon was born from a Human/Xeno related DNA Hybrid Face Hugger and why the Deacon had Human Traits included Enamel Teeth, 5 Digits on Hands and Feet and was born with a Placenta etc.

I think some people do misread the Clues... but then i cant guarantee if i have looked at them correctly... but i have seen Prometheus and studied all the material so many times i forget how many lol

Ultimately though regardless of clues, comments we need to remember FOX/RS keep on changing and evolving the course of the Black Goo and Xenomorph Origins and who knows where they Ultimately are taking it.

i don't believe the deacon in Prometheus can possibly be the same type of deacon depicted in the mural. the sequence of events that produced the deacon in the film surely were not taken into account when the weaponised mutagen was being created. a human male infected with just the right amount of mutagen in the required manner then mating with a female? nah don't buy it. the deacon in the mural will be something else. maybe the original creature found on another planet long ago?

As I posted above, Steve Messing, who designed and 3D sculpted the mural, said that in his mind the alien form in the mural is the ultramorph, an earlier version of the xenomorph, created when an Engineer sacrificed himself using the virus to create it, and he thinks the Engineers kind of worshipped it.

How did David make the Ovomorphs in Covenant? With Shaw's eggs and manipulation of the black goo, correct? The Engineers share the same DNA with humans, as proven by Shaw in Prometheus, so despite the unorthodox combination that resulted into the Deacon/Ultramorph at the end of the film it would have come out the same way. I believe the Engineers already knew about the process and created their brand of Ovomorphs (which would be made with female Engineer eggs) that would result in Deacons. David 8 found an Ovomorph on Paradise in Covenant and reverse engineered their process with Shaw's eggs and perfected their creation into the Xenomorph. He saw the survival instinct in Shaw, part of the reason he's attracted to her, and wanted it for his perfect organism. That's my hypothesis.

Xeno eggs are shown in the Alien DC to be made by a xenomorph cocooning a host, then the cocoon transforms the host body into an egg.

Considering we saw Shaw's body, she was not consumed to make an egg. The ultramorph, or whatever something-morph David bred to make cocoons to create those eggs either cocooned Engineers or some other large animal.

Regarding the 'Engineers share the same DNA with humans thing' - Shaw says "Their DNA predates ours. We come from them" and on screen we see this silly graphic that says DNA Match. That graphic is a bit of mumbo jumbo, but saying we share the same DNA is technically sound. It does NOT mean we are identical however.

Even DNA from two humans is not an exact match. It's about 0.1% different from person to person, but we still call it a match. There are still millions of differences on the genetic level. Millions of those genetic switches are turned on and have specific protein making instruction that are relatively the same from human to human.

What makes the difference between a human and Engineer is which of those switches are turned on a which are turned off. We may both have the same DNA and same switches, but if they have switches turned on that we do not, and vise versa, they will look and function differently than us. They will also affect a DNA-using parasite that grows in them differently than the same parasite growing in us.

That mural only prove that Xeno's exist long ago !!!  And prove my theory about AVP movies to get canon with alien movies !!!

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Predators exterminate snakes/xenomorphs one century ago. AVP movies !!!

Engineers create virus/bio weapon - black goo of them...  David revive xenos through black goo !!!   He don't create nothing !!!   

Hi everyone. Here’s my theory. I love reading everyone elses. I’ve just joined this forum. I’ve been watching Covenant over and ove again recently on 4K, it’s amazing. Not sure how many times I’ve seen Prometheus. Both amazing movies that you want to watch over and over.

I think there was a early version of what we may know as the Xenomorph on the Engineer outpost planet in Prometheus. The Aliens in Covenant were perfections created by David. I don’t think any retcon has happened like others may say.

My assumption and theory come from the following:

1. The visual record of the Engineers running from something. They were running from a Xenomorph

2. David found the “green alien saliva goo” that we all know and love on the control systems of the door which opened the prayer / missile chamber room. The same room we find the jesus/xenomorph and cracked green looking egg. The alien chased the engineers to the prayer room.

3. The crew of the Prometheus stumble upon a pile of dead engineer bodies, and one of those bodies had its rib cage cracked open from the inside. (This means there were some form of face huggers around). And this also means an alien was born. Whether or not that was the same alien(s) chasing the other engineers remains to be seen

4. The Engineers did seed life on earth, and they were about to go back to destroy earth when things went wrong and got that engineer ship stuck. That’s why he was angry when he woke up and plotted his ship to earth. He was supposed to be there 2000 years ago. I think the fact they end up killing Jesus was the last straw for the Engineers and they decided to wipe out the planet. Or. Earth was just an experiment for them anyway and he was going to wipe them out either way. The engineers are also literally engineered to be soldiers by the “monk” engineers. The “monk” engineers are actually the real race who created the “space jockey”.

"How did David make the Ovomorphs in Covenant? With Shaw's eggs and manipulation of the black goo, correct?"

I think its evident that David had Created the Xenomorph via experimenting and cross Hybridization with the Black Goo and its effects on various forms of Native Life on Planet 4.   The Black Goo has the ability to be used as  a Hybrid Tool, the Concept was easier originally (Jon Spaights Nano-Scarabs).

Engineer consumes Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs, this breaks him down Molecule by Molecule and the resulting Material is infected with some kind of Mutagenic Pathogen, the Mutagen consumes the DNA/Traits of the Engineer, it then carries this DNA/Traits and passes it onto whatever LIFE it comes into contact with... Passing on the Engineers DNA to said Organisms while also Keeping/Evolving the Organisms best Traits.

Engineer broken down by Sacrificial Substance, becomes a Mutagenic Substance that passes his DNA/Traits on to create a Hybrid....   This Substance + Primate would create a Primate/Engineer Hybrid and THUS our Ancestors.

I can assume the Sacrificial Substance + Wolf would make a Cocktail that would pass on Wolf DNA/Traits which if this infects a HUMAN we would get like a WEREWOLF!

Replace WOLF at Sacrificial Stage with a Cat and we end up with THUNDERCATS, replace Wolf with a Turtle and we end up with TMNT!

Bare this in mind..... and we can see the Mural is the Tribute to something they Created/Came into contact with, that they then SACRIFICED to create the Black Goo that then passes on the DNA/Traits of the Organism in the Mural.

Bare all the above in MIND and see the GOO as a Tool to Manipulate/Cross Hybrid Organic DNA.   Sacrificing a Wolf/Human Hybrid  and the resulting cocktail infects a Turtle/Human Hybrid and what we end up with is... IN THEORY..  

A Organism that is 50% Human, 25 Wolf and 25% Turtle.  If we then Sacrifice this Organism with the GOO and its broken down Cocktail is applied to a CAT then the Cat would be 50% Cat, 25% Human, 12.5% Wolf and 12.5% Turtle.. IN THEORY...

Now if we look at this and ASSUME i am correct, we can see David can use the Goo to create a all manner of Hybrids and then Mix/Experiment with those Hybrids, trying to Merge/Obtain what ever Traits he wants in Engineering a Perfect Organism.

We NOW need to go back to Basics... what does David know about the Black Goo prior to getting his HEAD Torn off?  He had noticed in context to the Xenomorph... that via the GOO given to Holloway, it had allowed Dr Shaw to Create LIFE and what we got was the TRILOBITE which was basically a kind of Face-Hugger, a Human/Face Huger like Hybrid.

IF we had David wanting to discover the outcome of this (if we assume he never got to witness the Deacon) then he would know in ORDER to replicate the Trilobite, he has to ponder HOW it made Dr Shaw create it. 

Which means.. EITHER

1) Holloways infected Sperm, impregnates Dr Shaws Dormant Eggs to produce the Hybrid Fetus.

2) Holloway acted only as a Vessel to pass on the Black Goo Pathogen like a Sexually Transmitted Disease, and the Pathogen traveled from Holloway to Dr Shaws Dormant Eggs to produce the Hybrid Fetus.

3) As Above... (Sexually Transmitted) but the Pathogen/Mutagen does-not infect any Eggs, but a single component or merging components (Eye-Worms) arrive in Dr Shaws Womb... and uses her Womb to incubate..

By Virtue of the Umbilical Cord and Embryonic Sack i think we can RULE-OUT Option 3

So David... if he wanted to replicate the Trilobite would consider trying WHAT the Goo does when directly infecting Dr Shaws Egg Cells, and also he may need some Humanoid Sperm (Engineers) to infect and then try that on Dr Shaws Egg Cells... we can assume BOTH of these may produce something similar to the Trilobite.

David would also have witnessed what the Spores had create (Neomorph) and so ARMED with Neomorph like Organisms and Deacon like Organisms... David has a basis to then use the GOO to conduct various Hybrid Experiments, to combine those Organisms with Traits of various other Organisms on Planet 4 until he has Perfected his Creation.

IF we assume David has then created like Small Trilobite/Face Hugger like Organisms... maybe for Storage of these Organisms... he tries to Hybrid them with a Organism that has EGGS as in Eggs that are laid that can then suspend the Embryos inside.

In Davids workshop/Notes he has Studied Native Mermaids Purse's now these are Egg Cases that contain the Embryo's of certain Organisms like Sharks, Skates and Chimaeras (Ghost Sharks)  so Potentially David could have seen the Mermaids Purse as a Desired Trait to apply to his Creation to ALLOW it to have some Protective Case to Store the Fragile/Growing Embryo that becomes the Face Hugger.

And so using the GOO , David could utilize the Traits of the Mermaids Purse to provide a Casing/Egg Protection for his Face Hugger Type Stage.

I believe this is what Davids notes are showing, and that he uses the GOO as i have outlined above, to Mix/Evolve his Deacon/Neomorph Hybrids with Traits of other Life-forms until he has achieved his Perfect Xenomorph and Life-Cycle.

He could then use the GOO to obtain the Final Products Traits and then INFECT Dr Shaws Egg Cells to Produce his Xenomorphs.

I read somewhere that the mural really had no deep meaning at all and that it was little more than a prop. I will link if I can dig it up.

Indeed DK  it was kind of a Easter Egg, a Nod to HR Giger and his Mural and also used as a DNA link to ALIEN.

So it maybe never had any Real Purpose...

Starbeast was the Original Idea and it had Murals that showed the Ritualistic Procreation and Life-Cycle of their Species.

I will have to go and read Jon Spaights works again, i think it mentions Murals but does not offer any descriptions, and i am certain that Lindeloff's works also do-not describe such a MURAL

So it leaves us with Potential Clues that are not intended as Clues, so many theories we work on could be all based on NOTHING!  But then such Clues help to make many Debates and Discussions.

If Prometheus had NO Mural or Fresco's then i think the Xenomorph Link would have been less obvious and also many of the debates about Prometheus would have been much more limited.

ONE thing that Bugs me is we have to QUESTION did they have any actual IDEA how they would explain/explore the Xenomorph Connection back from Inception of the Prequels... It appears with Alien Engineers there was clues to suggest that had a IDEA of where it came from, even if they never intend to SPOON Feed it.

A lot has changed as the years go by, that we had to wonder if they actually had any SOLID idea how to Explore/Explain it SHOULD they ever consider to do so....  but it appears they May-Not have any real Idea... not something they could STICK too......  which then led to the CURVE-BALL in Alien Covenant...   The GOO is now a McGuffin and likely wont get any information on its Origin, or indeed LV-223 and the Xenomorph is the Creation of a Crazy Robot who wants to be a Creator himself.

Welcome aboard yeoflittlefaith

A number of people have concluded the Engineers are running from something, due to the way they are running and the Deacon like Scream after the Hologram Recording is Activated.  But it is ambiguous, that sound could just be the Hologram Recording being activated and NOT a scream of any Organism.

The Engineer Bodies indeed have Holes that could look like Chest Busters... but due to inconsistencies/clues in the Bodies and comments made by Dr Shaw and others (Janek) it can paint a different picture... as those Space Jockey suits are HOLLOW... the only Logical Explanation is the same as what became of the HEAD, and what we see in the Sacrificial Scene.... those Engineers had been infected with the Black Goo somehow, and they are in the Process of this Spreading and then they break down like the Sacrificial Engineer, such a Violent Chemical Reaction that when contained within a Pressured Suit... its like adding a Mint to a Bottle of Cola and shaking it up and putting the Lid back no..

The reaction/gas build up will try and escape/explode out of the weakest point in the Bottle...  I think this is what happened to the Engineers.... the Reaction to the Infection caused them to turn into Soup... which then Exploded out of their Suits..  The BIG HEAD Room somehow had a Environment that would HALT the Infection and HENCE why those Engineers were running to this Room, and WHY there was a Head inside the Space Jockey Suit Helmet, yet his Body was HOLLOW.

This is just ONE conclusion though....

I can see WHY others come about though.... and the main reason for this is THOSE Props (Dead Engineers) are likely something that was being worked on, based off Alien Engineers (Jon Spaights Prequel) which Prometheus was a Re-Write that began while Production was already under way.

In Alien Engineers, some of those Engineers had birthed Xenomorph related Organisms, other had suffered Death at the hands of such Organisms.  I believe those PROPS were based on Jon Spaights work... and as they had already been worked on by the time we got the Re-writes that then lead to Prometheus... FOX/RS decided to use those Props for Prometheus.

They are HOLLOW because its easier, makes them less work and lighter to move around... but as we can see they appear Hollow in the Movie, it does leave it as a Clue to the Theory i proposed in this reply...

But as the Props where likely from the previous Drafts, then they was created with the intention to SHOW some Chest Busting and also Damage suffered from attacks by Xenomorph related Organisms.

Which leaves either Theory open.....

We also have the Chest Busted Cryo-Pods... now we DONT ever get a clear shot in the Movie, but the Prop Engineers underneath have been Chest Busted...  AGAIN.. Chest Busted Cryo-Pod Engineers was in Alien Engineers draft.

Looking at HOW Dr Shaw had theorized what happened, and a theory like i proposed in this post.... does leave us to PONDER what about those Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-sleep.

How can some Engineers just break down to NOTHING and others Produce a Chest Buster and HOW-COME those Engineers did not appear to had changed like Fifield?

I think it was RS if not then someone else on Production, mentioned that Fifield would have eventually broken down like the Sacrificial Engineer and Holloway too.  I still would have assumed a Mutation like Fifield inside a Space Jockey suit would maybe have left the infected Space Jockey Suited Engineers, not looking how they did (Space Suits seemed to maintain its Shape/Proportions).

So when looking at the Cryo-Pod Engineers, it could be what ever had Chest Busted from them could have Chased down some of those Engineers, but then HOW did they also get infected? 

This maybe rules out a Docking Infected Juggernaught that the other Engineers investigate and discover the Chest Buster Organisms and run off from them, maybe knocking over some of the Urns in the Process....  I would ASSUME the Space Jockey suits are there to Protect them from the Black Goo but also to Protect the Urns from being Activated. (i ponder if the Prometheus Crew had kept their Helmets on then those Urns may not have leaked.).

So back to the Cryo-Pod Engineers... i was being drawn to maybe they got infected by Hammerpedes.... if they ran into their Cryo-Pods while infected, or potentially and those Small worms had been infected too, then some of these could have got into the Cryo-Pods at some point, or had been stuck at the bottom of the Engineers Boots...

These then either GROW into Hammerpedes and they implant a Embryo inside the Engineers, or the Worms get into the Engineers Mouth and then Grow....

Maybe SABOTAGE is to blame?

Along comes Alien Covenant, that could give us insight when we look at Prometheus... the ONLY Deacon we saw was Birthed from Dr Shaw! 

Alien Covenant reveals there are FEMALE Engineers, this could mean that Infected FEMALE Engineers could have given Birth to some Deacon Related Organisms and maybe those Chest Busted Cryo-Pod Engineers are Females?

But also to consider is the Neomorphs... and so something related to the Black Goo infection could have in some Engineers created similar Organisms to them and maybe they had been what the Engineers in Prometheus had been running from.

This was the Beauty of Prometheus and its ambiguity in that you can come up with more than ONE theory, that is supported or discounted by the evidence just as much as the next theory would be.

"That’s why he was angry when he woke up and plotted his ship to earth."

The Last Engineer in Alien Engineers was ANGRY when he was awoken, because he was infected, and being awoken by the Humans had Sentenced him to his Inevitable Fate so he kicks off.... then gets into the Space Jockey Chair and set off to EARTH but gets Chest Busted as he is doing so and crashes on LV-426 and Chest Bursts the ULTRAMORPH

I will talk another time about our Angry Engineer in Prometheus and the Jesus Connection.

I'm not trying to be negative or even shortsighted, but the only thing thing mural tells me is that Ridley effed up this entire Alien narrative. The mural depicts a xeno, with Covenant it is clear that David made the xeno's. How does this happen when David was created 2,000 +/- years after the last engineer died in Prometheus? It can't or Ridley, Damon and crew did a really poor job with the story arc. 

Well Freezerinos

I will attempt in a short way possible, the route that was being taken and what we ended up with...

Originally the Prequels attempted to address a few things.

*Xenomorph Origin, WHERE/WHY and by Who!

*Space Jockey Race, WHO are they and WHAT is their Purpose.

The Derelict Event was alluded to, but there was so many inconsitancies from Alien Engineers (Earlier Prometheus Draft) that did-not add up to ALIEN

Alien Engineers actually gave quite a few clues to the Xenomorph Origin.  The Plot seemed to indicate the Engineers at some point had discovered a place where there was some Native Organism that had a Life-Cycle similar to that of the Xenomorph, this Organism was found (how i interpret it) in a Cave System.   The Engineers must have seen themselves infected by this Organism and became interested in the Result (maybe because at this period in the Plot, the Engineers could not Procreate/Give Birth to Life as they lost this ability).

As a Race who took a interest in Genetic Manipulation and Pursuit of Perfection they took a Great Interest in this Organism and its Life-Cycle and Results and began to use their CREATION Tool (Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs) to Experiment and Engineer this Organism.. Resulting in a number of Variations of this Organism, that through the Experiments also represented the Xenomorph... Thus they Created the Xenomorph and 7 other Variants.

They had become upset/angry with how Mankind has turned out, and they had Engineered these Organisms to be used as a Weapon.  This is how i Interpret Alien Engineers Draft and the Concept Works.

So it appeared the Engineers are Creators of Life, they go around Experimenting with Life, Evolving it and they had encountered something they had NOT created, and they chose to Experiment with this to Create the Xenomorph which they intended to use as a Weapon to Cleanse the Earth.    The conclusion to how Alien Engineers connects to Alien has flaws and inconstancy... it kind of indicated the Space Jockey Event may have happened at the END of this Story.   For Starters this event happened in the year 2172 so 50 years after the events of ALIEN is this a Typo?

Anyway we then come along to PROMETHEUS well first Damien Lindeloff's Paradise...  the idea with this draft and Prometheus was that MAYBE its best to keep the Xenomorph Origin and Space Jockey Event a Mystery and just give clues to them... and to concentrate more on the Engineers and other Themes as the Xenomorph had been done over and over and over.

Prometheus was more ambiguous but showed there is a connection between the Xenomorph and the Experiments the Engineers had been Carrying out on LV-223 these connections seemed to show that MAYBE the Space Jockey Event was related to the Outbreak on LV-223 some 2000 years ago.

The clues allude us to conclude the Xenomorph was..

*A Organism that the Engineers either Discovered/Created and they had used its DNA to Produce the Black Goo and Experiments.

*A Related Organism they either Discovered/Created and they had used its DNA to Produce the Black Goo and Experiments and the Xenomorph was a eventual result of this.

*The Black Goo was obtained/created by some other means and the Xenomorph is the result of one of the Experiments of Accident regarding the Black Goo.

It was left ambiguous.... but likely the Xenomorph connects via one of those THREE options.

Ridley Scott after Prometheus CONFIRMS the Xenomorph Origins and Space Jockey Event by saying it was a Event Related to what was being experimented on LV-223.  The EVENT happened within a Few Hundred years of the Outbreak on LV-223 so happened a either 2200 years ago give or take or 1800 years ago give or take.  Something had EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold and then infected the Pilot, who then set a course to the near by Moon of LV-426 to Quarantine his Ship.

BUT ALAS.......

We got Alien Covenant were RS felt the Hubris of Mankinds Creation of Life trying to imitate GOD in the Creation of David and also seeking out our own Creators/Makers.   Leads us to this Place our would-be Creators had been experimenting with some Pretty Horrific Bio-Weapons... Intended for us...

The Horror of the Hubris of seeking out things we should not be seeking, and Creating things we should not be Creating comes back to HAUNT us as our Creation David, decides to Create/Perfect his own Creation from the Bio-Weapon Experiments the Engineers had been attempting to Create/Harness and that a Android who we created has now become Sentient, and sees itself as the Natural Evolution and Superior and that Mankind are NOT Worthy of our Existence.   And essentially also feels the Engineers were not worthy of their Secrets too...

Ridley Scott felt this Curve-ball was more a Horrific Realization to the Creation of the Xenomorph.  In that IF Weyland had NOT played GOD himself and then wanted to Seek his MAKERS for immortality then the Xenomorph would not be unleashed into the Galaxy.

So thats the EVOLUTION of the idea behind the Xenomorphs Origins that the Prequels had taken...

The Fans suffering the same Hubris that RS is trying to tell.... SOME THINGS are best left alone and Quest for Answers should not be attempted.

In that RS wanted to steer away from the Xenomorph and Alien and explore the Engineers and other Creation Philosophical Themes...   But he seemed upset that Fans did not like the route he wanted to go, and WANTED more Xenomorphs and the Answers to the Space Jockey and his Cargo...

Se we now end up with a Answer that is something most of us would NEVER had wanted.... but as RS said "they want Aliens, i will give them $£%£^ Aliens"  he does now seem to prioritize his AI and Creation Theme above the Xenomorph.

Thx for your reply! I understand all this and I even have other thoughts about the "Alien" story. It still boils down to major story lines not matching up. Now I believe the story is so screwed up, we might not get another movie to bring us along. Movie houses I think may have had enough. I  guess I am very disappointed as a fan. Give the franchise to Blomkamp and see what he can do. That is my vote.

Freezerinos The time tables are a problem for sure. I enjoy the movies way more just ignoring the time line honestly.

I agree about giving Bloomkamp a shot.

I think its just a case of a lot of changing of their minds as they go along instead of having a A-Z Plot and Explanation even if they dont reveal every aspect as long as those working on it have such ideas already discussed.

I am not sure what Blomkamp could bring to the Franchise if he was to tackle the Prequels...  His ideas in ALIEN 5 seemed interesting to a degree... i just think he could set such a Plot after the Events of ALIEN: Resurrection or certainly the time between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection and NOT resurrect Ripley, Newt and Hicks!

Exploring a Evolving/Mutating Ripley 8 could be interesting or what happens to her after Alien Resurrection, does she DIE? Get Killed?  and if so WHAT becomes of her Remains...  has someone obtained her DNA and we then START off from this Perspective?

I actually had a ALIEN 5 Plot idea... where Call is revealed to have secretly been sent to OBTAIN the Evolved Ripley 8 for the Benefit her the AUTON CULT

We can CGI overlay Miss Weaver to get results like Image A, but only for a Short Scene, as we reveal she is starting to EVOLVE as the Xenomorph DNA starts to Re-write her Human DNA, we then progress to her Skin becoming Grey and like Holloways in Image B and she could be played like this for Longer where Make-Up can hide her AGE... she then has some other changes like Image C before she Progresses to a Cross Between Image D and E but more Organic, and having some Resemblance to Miss Weaver.

Autons Capture her and use her DNA to create a new version of Xenomorph...  she breaks loose EVOLVES, and prevents the Xenomorphs from getting a Foot-Hold and saves the Day....

Before she starts to Battle with her Xenomorph DNA and how it is changing her more than in Physical Appearance where she worries about what happens when all HUMANITY has been removed/rewritten from her.. 

Plus the Knowledge of WHAT happens if she is ever captured or a sample is once again OBTAINED...

She Sacrifices herself... giving her another Fitting End.

They should have used it in a better way and connected it closer with the Xeno and the engineers. It should have made more sense to the story. If something seems important then it must connect with the story in general and not be so vague so you can make up what ever answer that fits your purpose. Yes it can be fun to speculate but at some point it becomes so vague so it becomes ridiculous, as the example with the crucified Xeno/Xeno-ish monster shows.

“but it appears they May-Not have any real Idea... not something they could STICK too......”

That is a problem, you got to have some idea about what you want to say in your story or else it just becomes something that becomes vague so you might understand it but those that shall read it or watch it might have a very hard time to make sense of it. You got to have some A-Z that connects the dots so to speak.

“The GOO is now a McGuffin and likely wont get any information on its Origin, or indeed LV-223 and the Xenomorph is the Creation of a Crazy Robot who wants to be a Creator himself."

What a mess, I hoped that the goo would be something interesting and make sense. I still think that it is interesting in a way but they made it worse (as they did with many things) in Alien Covenant. Things got to make sense in movies although everything do not need to be obvious but it got to be thought out it doesn’t seem that they did so with the goo.

As far as the origin of the Xeno that just plain sucks. I have said this many times before but I do not like it to be so closely connected to humans. It would be better if the Engineers developed it and David made his own version of it or that the Engineers got it from another life-form and made their own thing and David did his. Right now it is just crappy but unfortunately we can not undo Covenant.