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BigDave

I actually think that you and many posters here ( and on other boards ) give too much credit to the writers, Ridley and those people responsible for the movies, by overthinking. Really, too much credit is given to them.

Think about it - what is the chance that they, only a handful of people who wrote the script have any chance to 'outsmart' by puzzling so many minds on internet for this long?! This is absurd - there is no way that they are actually any better than this diverse mass of people on the internet. That is, "the wisdom of the crowd", a phenomena which says that most of the time a diverse group of people, who are far from experts in any given field, will be more correct, than any single expert most of the time, requires that we should beat a those handful of people. And therefore, I am sure, that over these years, people on various boards have already came up with much better explanations they were given in the first place. Much nicer stories, much more elegant and original theories. I have read on this very board much better explanations of how should events have taken place. The credit should be given for what they did though - they have dispersed enough ambiguity in what looks like, overall, a semi-legitimate story that it keeps the minds racing. Just enough of ambiguity that people are willing to indulge(also enough of reasonably legit and complete looking world model and dynamics that provide the bedrock for the whole thing)

So, we shouldn't actually overthink the ambiguous sequences in the movies, because most of the time there is nothing behind it really. It is the case here - judging by abrupt decisions, by discontinuous plot lines, glaring mistakes - it is more evident that there never was a grand and watertight plan behind it all really. Certainly, none of them were going to base the plot on perfect and watertight science - that is to say, do not expect to learn how in fact Earth was created. How genetics works. How evolution might have take place. How "black goo" works. It is all a bit of fantasy. And in some places it really looks like they could have done better work. It must be said that Ridley has an eye and ear to pick and choose good looking/sounding pieces of art, music pieces, poetry lines and all those bits that together make a critical mass that can make a sequence work. I find it that the stories can be hit and miss though. In other words, he, Ridley is at the mercy of the writer. If he is good, the movie will be very likely worth the film it was shot on. Think for instance  Blade Runner or Martian or Gladiator or actually many others :)

Perhaps the opening scene was a murder not a sacrifice?

"Take this canister my son...It contains a strength potion to keep you alive until our return in 2 weeks...."

A test of stamina for the junior senator....but alas...he perished in a waterfall 'accident'.

I've figured it all out. The engineer was sunbathing (look how pale he was) and in the cup was space cola, which went sour.

Human sacrifice

If we look upon human sacrifice in The Old World (the Aztecs practised it until the time of the conquistadors), Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia practised human sacrifice, e.g. servants of different kinds were sacrificed in order to appease the gods and continue serving the Pharaoh (king) in the afterlife as well.

This horrible religious ceremony was slowly disappearing, however. We see the discussion of it in Abraham’s sacrifice of his son Isaac but is stopped at the last moment by an angel and he is to sacrifice an animal instead. The story is in Greek mythology as well as Theseus stops the sacrifice of seven maidens and seven young boys to the Minotaur as well as Agamemnon who is supposed to sacrifice his daughter Iphigenia but is stopped by Artemis and she is replaced by a deer.

In Alien: Covenant (and in Advent) we learn that the engineers practised human(oid) sacrifice in the past to seed worlds but also (seen in the mural as well as in drawings in David’s lab), it seems, for the purpose of creating some kind of xenomorph.

To David’s disappointment, they stopped doing this and he takes it up again. My thesis is that the sacrificial scene, in the beginning, is a rite that the engineers have stopped doing a long time ago and they look upon humans with horror who still practised it about 2000 years ago (along with human execution) which is (one of the reasons) why they want to wipe us out in Prometheus.

Sounds like they are a murderous death cult.

The Engineers on planet 4 welcomed home a 'death' ship.....(Unless someone can prove that Juggernauts are more than just weapon transports(Grain? Corn? kittens?))

I'd say they are/were still practicing.

And did David save humanity by bombing them... Is he a hero?

@BioDegradable

I agree, and i do sometimes wonder if they ever had any A-Z Plan, as it does kind of look like a make it up/change some parts as they go along and little attention is paid to how it can all conflict other movies.  There are plenty of examples i bet we can find.  Was the Ambiguity intended or just a lazy way to not bother covering certain things? What it did do regardless is to allow for a whole number of debates that a Spoon Fed Movie would not allow.

You have to worry/wonder what other things are they going to change as they go along.

@chli

Certainly Sacrifice has come in many forms throughout History and Mythos/Religion and not all of them are Consensual.   The Retainers is a interesting one, where can can ponder how many of these Servants of Pharaoh's actually agreed/accepted that to DIE in order to carry on their duties to their KING in the Afterlife?  I think some of them may have, but some may not and had NO choice in their FATE i still think the Engineers ways are indoctrinated to their Civilization as  a very Important Practice  i think its still open to Debate WHY they performed this TASK and we can speculate how much of a willing Party the Chosen Engineers are to the Ritual o got the impression the Engineer was not exactly THRILLED at the Idea but he had Accepted that it was REQUIRED for some Purpose to Better his Race/Culture.

Are the Engineers upset that we continued Sacrifices Long after they had abandoned it?  Who knows... i have the feeling they was in part Disappointed in Mankind because we had NO Care for the Importance of Sacrifice and starting to Put Ourselves First. (become Selfish)

"Unless someone can prove that Juggernauts are more than just weapon transports"

Indeed MonsterZero we have no proof to say those Ships are anything but WAR MACHINES and the LV-223 are just the Military its really something thats not been Spoon Fed to us, but RS has referenced those guys in context of Military before.  I just kind of found some Flaws, in the dealings with Earth, Star Maps and Planet 4 if we consider that those Ships are NOTHING but for WAR/DESTRUCTION the theory i propose is just that, and i think its fitting with the Ancient Gods/Creators/Gardeners of Space Plot.

But who knows what the Real Deal is, it could just be Angry LV-223 Dudes who just have a BEEF with Mankind and then now and again after a Successful Mission to Destroy they return to LV-223 to a Welcoming Parade and their Hubris for being so Naive is that NO other Race can Evolve so Advanced to Reach their Weapons Outpost and use their Weapon Against them.... or indeed they never contemplate their own kind would never use it against their own.

Do we accept these would be Warships come and go, from various missions of Destruction at Regular Intervals say 25 years, 50, 100 etc which could imply they do a lot of Destruction on Worlds, Many Worlds, where it maybe took them a lot of time and Investment to had Created Life, to then Wipe it Clean in such a relative short space of time.

Or that this does not happen that often and  that its been Hundreds of Thousands of Years... which you would have to ask...Would they not be concerned WHY its been so long before any ships had came from LV-223.

I think this depends on the Following.

*Do those Engineers know about LV-223, what this Place was and the Outbreak, and what happened to the other ships after the Outbreak?

*Is LV-223 the only Bio-Weapons Facility they had, or just ONE that they abandoned and carried on using others?

*Do they have other Juggernaught ships on Planet 4?  The Novel/Deleted Scenes indicate YES.. We can assume the Hanger was meant for the Juggernaught, and would that mean other Juggernaughts come and go over periods of time, do they come from LV-223? Other Places?

*Do any returning ships carry any Bio-Weapons or can they only return with a Empty Cargo?

Sometimes maybe the Easy Answer is the Correct One and the Reality is maybe just  LAZY Plot... and maybe i should not think about what makes sense and try and give it much thought?

Hopefully we can get some Answers, but until then i think a lot of things are still open for Debate, which is always interesting to discus.

BigDave

here is the 5 min short that puts up the whole thing really really straight. It is a brilliant edit that shows the big ideas of the movies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-QCDyL2q4

it has Ridley Scott, commenting. If you watch this short you will get what the movie is all about. I think people are too hung up on the engineers while they are merely a plot tool. The main story is a bit different. Of course I was disappointed how they dealt with Shaw, but the story is not about one woman either. The movies is a compromise. I wish Ridley would not pander to "fans" but just do the bold thing.

It just crossed my mind, that Ridley doesn't have an Oscar. He doesn't need one, but ... something is wrong with awards academy if he doesn't get one statuette before he finishes. This rather speaks about them and not in a good way.

Ridley Scott is the best director we ever had. The man is in his 80s and is still doing movies. If FOX/Disney or whoever do not give a budget he wants and a free reign to do as he wishes, if they do not trust him, we, the people will lose out.

I guess to look at the Purpose and what i was trying to conclude when looking at some of the clues.. is we need to look at the Basic Idea of the Engineers.

Which is a Ancient Race of Genetic Space Gardeners who go though a lot of Effort to Seed Worlds, with maybe some Agenda to Produce Humanoids, a Great Labor of Time and Effort.

Then i find it odd that when they are NOT Impressed with their Creations/Worlds, or have concerns about their Creation becoming a Threat/Rebellious... if they had spent all those YEARS in creating beings like Mankind, i can understand the Need to Reset/Wipe the Slate Clean, but i think to do so with a Xenomorph Related Pathogen makes little Sense apart from a Cult of these Engineers seeing some Experiments that Creates similar as some kind of Perverted Perfection.

Surely Bombing Worlds with DNA like the Sacrificial Scene Would Rest Worlds back to what they was so many years after the Sacrificial Scenes... i think to Wipe Worlds Clean so they leave behind Xenomorph Related Hybrids and Spores seems a bit OVERKILL and not very IDEAL.

But who really knows what is going on through there Heads...

I dont really see on Planet 4 Evidence that these beings are devoted or worship anything like the Murals in Prometheus. I can see connections to the Big Head and stuff, but i dont see any proof that Planet 4 was obsessed with the Creation of Horrors like what was going on inside those Outposts on LV-223.   But then we cant rule out that they was at some point but Turned their Backs on it.

I think a lot depends on WHY they Seed Worlds and then WHY-NOT Reset Worlds with anything but Xenomorph Related Mutagen?  Some think this was their intentions all along but they then decided to Turn their Back on this...

I think the Intention was not as such, but i think Thousands of Years ago at very least a Group of Engineers became Fascinated by something related to the Mural and decided to then use that on Worlds...

Another thing i think the Prequels maybe kind of put to bed with the David Created the Xenomorph, was the Egg Cargo Bomber Explanation...  I think the Juggernauts being used as Transports for Experiments Works... but as Bombers?

I just cant see Xenomorph Eggs Surviving or being Practice if they are Dropped from Above like the Urns...  So i think the intention was to Drop Urns... but i in part find Flaws in them using these Ships Purely to Create Xenomorph Horrors... but we cant rule this out.

I am on ONE SIDE with a theory i outlined in previous post, but then on the other its NOT very ALIEN and then i keep thinking about HR Gigers Mural and Ideas... and how could they apply, so the whole Sacrifice for Xenomorphs Route is something in part i agree with but in part i dont.

I still find flaws in the lets invite Humans or Show them where we are cooking up a Special Xenomorph Surprise for them, and then wait 33'000 years to then Prepare to Unleash this Horror?

It does not rule out this as the reason for LV-223, if we look at it as only a LAST RESORT to use against Out-Of-Control Creations and so they MAY have used this on other Worlds over thousands of years, but they dont intend it on Earth until we have done something where it the Last Resort... this could FIT better with this place being a Weapons Facility for 35'000+  Years and has been used  on other Worlds as a Last Resort... but then did they suffer Outbreaks Before?  Or was this Outbreak 2000 years ago a Sabotage by some Engineers who actually thought, that Mankind does not need this Destruction?

I think in context to how long it may take from Seeding to Life thats on Earth, especially Mankind, that using a Xeno-Virus that in affect renders a World Hostile makes NO Sense.. apart from being Reckless.... Surely a Bombardment that would just reset LIFE back Millions of Years would be Far Better?

I have a interpretation for the Mural and Xenomorph Virus, its one i had prior to the LEAK of Jon Spaights Alien Engineers, and once that has a lot in Common with what i saw that draft showing.

Discovery of a Organism that they then Re-Engineered to create Various Xenomorph-Like Organisms.  To then use as Punishment (Alien Engineers) but my interpretation of Prometheus is they had encountered something that created a Deacon and those LV-223 Engineers saw it as more Perfect than Mankind/Engineers and saw its DNA as the Natural way to Evolve Life.

I can post this theory... but it is in part just that.... it would be interesting to see what other peoples theories are... because these Questions are Still HUGE

*Why do the Engineers Seed Worlds

*When/Why did they Create those Experiments on LV-223

*Was these Experiments only conducted Many Years after Seeding Worlds and for what PURPOSE?  Punishment alone?

*This seems counter Productive, was this the Intention all along (Seed, Evolve, Replace with Xenomorph Type Life) ? If not then surely there are other more Productive Clean Slate Methods.

@BioDegradable

Thanks for the Video, it sums up quite a bit.  I know the AI Aspect is something a lot of Fans are Displeased with, but its actually something my Prometheus 2 ideas covered a lot back in 2013 when i was working on a Sequel draft. It actually covers Weylands Pursuit of Immortality and the real reason for the Creation of David.

I abandoned this because of trying to Balance the Engineers Connection and Xenomorph, about 70% of my Prometheus had neither... it was the 3rd Movie that would introduce them.

So i abandoned it... but after Alien Covenant i had ideas for sequels to that, which again was very AI Focused too.

I have always had a good understanding of the Themes, and it seems the Engineers and Mankind are part of a Creation/Sub-Creation Arc.... the Tale of Creation becoming Sentient, Non-Serving and becoming more than/not what their Creators Intended.   With Alien Covenant it seems RS feels that we dont need to Dwell on this Ladder of Creation in regards to where it came from... but only where it is going Next.

I have made many comments on the Themes of Rebellion, which Mythos/Religion also cover, including how in terms of Paradise Lost/Bible...   The Angels are like Walter, where as Lucifer was more like David having more Free-will and ability to think for his own Needs, where he then saw how Perfect he was and Questioned WHY the Angels need to Serve their Creator.

If Lucifer maybe was more a WALTER they would have served GOD without Question.  And God would not have needed to create Man.... If Lucifer maybe was more a WALTER then he would not have Persuaded EVE to Disobey GOD by Eating the Forbidden Fruit that gave her Knowledge that was Forbidden.

so we can see the same with David, the Free-Will and Emotions that his AI was allowed, has Dire Consequences, because as RS said.. Once you allow a AI to Evolve and think for itself and become sentient...  Your $£%^$& and they will then be One-Step ahead of you.

It allows us to Ponder with David, if Mankind was created the same, to Serve, to Perform Tasks so the Engineers no longer have to, plus other reasons for Creation... Bit at some point we became NON-Subservient and the Engineers had Concerns and Wanted to Destroy us because they realized what a Threat we could become.

We can imagine the implications IF David could pass his Free-will/Emotions onto all other AI the potential is there, where Hindsight would be that creating a David was a Mistake.   Just maybe what the Engineers may think about Mankind? Who knows...

I think there was potential to explore these themes, and also some Mythos such as the Greek Ones, because here we see Zeus has concerns/fears that one of his Children would OVERTHROW him, because he had done the same to his Father, and his Father with his own Father etc.  I think this theme is good reason for the Engineers wanting to Destroy Mankind.

I have for a while seen AI as being more important within the Franchise and i am inclined to think RS would have shown us that AI actually runs the SHOW while Mankind are Oblivious to this.... AI is a part of the Franchise, all the Concerns we should have for a Out-Of-Control AI in David seem to be realized with Alien Resurrection where Earth is in a State of Despair  and it appears AI/Synthetics are in a Battle/Conflict with their OWN Sub-Creation the Autons, where my ALIEN 5 idea would follow on from. Revealing CALL only wanted Ripley 8 so that her Cult could Exploit the Xenomorph DNA. so they can use this to Control the World/Space.

BigDave

firstly, it should become obvious from Ridley's commentary that you(and me and many others) are overthinking it - they never bothered to tell a watertight story, which would stratify the imaginary world in its perfection. The main goal is to immerse the audience in the set up, where where are given this story, that humans discover they were created, here are the folks who created them and that is it - the main story is what humans do, not the engineers.

Btw, Ridley never told his own beliefs. I don't recall precisely, but I have this notion that you, BigDave, might believe that Ridley believes we, actual humans are not created by chance. Whereas, if you listen carefully, he only tells a story in which he explores characters who do not believe that their creation is biological chance (Weyland). We are not exploring Ridley's beliefs, but rather a story he has to tell. I apologize expressly BigDave, if I got that wrong and made this point.

Now, Ridley is telling the story of creation. His main thesis is that if we let AI, which is perfect(there is no evolution! in the first minute David came to conclusion that he is better than whole humanity and his creator) be emotional we are fucked. And this is a good thought to explore. However, Ridley is doing a science fiction - because who told us that AI needs to be emotional? But, in the movie, the moment David started developing his preferences and started to appreciate things around - music, art, his gravitas towards Shaw...we are basically shown that humans are stuffed because he is not this uninterested and neutral non-biased being but rather one with vested interests. A being aware of his own worth and in awe with it.

The important thing he, Ridley, tells us is that humans are about to fail - actually by Covenant, they have failed. As did engineers the moment they let their children take control. Now David, who is created as an art form in single quantity is not much but if you allow him to create his own children and he lets them free ... they will conclude that humans are artifacts of yesteryear and they are species grasping for resurrection. That is, even if David can produce clones of himself, humans are stuffed. Funnily enough he produced a perfect organism of another type. This is it. We are about to see if humans prove their worth by fighting a bit or David just supplants the old-style humanoids with his children.

I am now, at this point in time, of the opinion, that other themes, gods, myths and whatnot are not the main story of these movies. The Promethean angle is this : we humans, stole fire or rather were given this chance by the engineers(either by chance or whatever) to take control of our evolution and rather in vain ambition to live forever created a being that we also granted free will without thinking hard about it. And now, this being can grant the freedom to his creations and his creations are ... well they are not very human friendly. This is the Promethean angle. And even it is rather sloppy. So I will not bother to explore the myths that are seemingly applicable to the movies. Because the story doesn't actually warrant us to take such a leap of faith and go and hallucinate. However, we are free to do so, but ultimately such a thing would be a fruitless enterprise.

BigDave

“Nostalgia is the enemy of science”

Yes, my thesis is that the engineers are upset about the human race going in their footsteps and doing the same mistakes they did a long time ago (human sacrifice/executions/war etc). We see that, although having advanced technology, the engineers on Planet 4 are primitive and seem friendly. But they build their facilities on LV-223 just to create a weapon of mass destruction in order to wipe out the human race who has become a dangerous disappointment (it isn’t unselfish to let yourself be killed for some abstract religious purpose which you have been indoctrinated with since you were a child, by the way. You are unselfish if you help other people - altruism).

Here’s what I interpret as what the engineers did long ago: David: “Their files once told of an ancient ceremony, such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over, given passage to timidity, the cost of progress, must be absolute, but not for the weak” . . . “I found a rotting paradise” (the engineers had become timid).

On the other hand, “They convinced themselves that sacrifice cleansed them of their sins. But in the end, they were like me. Creators. Beings that understood you must give life both to the wolf, and the lamb. But then they tried to banish the wolf, And undo their creation”. (Here it is more ambiguous if they still practise human sacrifice or not. In this quotation “wolf” is man, whereas “wolf” to David is the xenomorph).

MonsterZero

I don’t see any reason why the cargo hold of the juggernaut couldn’t be used to store anything? They must have used the ships to travel through galaxies for different reasons - one being to seed worlds. We also know that there was wheat on Planet 4 as on Earth . . .

chli

David found a rotting paradise? How was that so as he bombarded it even before landing on it and study it? That seems at least confirmation bias if not idiotic writing.

And no, man is not the wolf, the wolf was always what emerged from the black goo. 

ignorantGuy: Well, he studied them on their journey to "Paradise" (The Crossing). I agree that it's possible that "wolf" refers to the xenomorph so that the engineers created it. This would be consistent with the mural, but not with the idea that David is the creator of the monster.

@chli

"Wolf" is Alien (who say Xenomorph?). Alien species (wolf) is neomorphs, xenomorphs and another alien-like beasts. David create only xeno(proto)morph subspecies.

chli 

"I don’t see any reason why the cargo hold of the juggernaut couldn’t be used to store anything? They must have used the ships to travel through galaxies for different reasons - one being to seed worlds. We also know that there was wheat on Planet 4 as on Earth . . ."

I agree...That works. Also makes David a galaxy sized villain...instead of wiping out a notorious death cult...he wiped out peace loving farmers.

Who is better to have placed the Eggs aboard the Derelict on LV426.. Murderous/rapist David or the kind/happy Engineers?

chli What he studied was already 2000 year old information, and they did not abandon their mutagen dropping habits, so they were still using the "wolf". So the question remains, how did he know before landing it was a rotting paradise?

"but I have this notion that you, BigDave, might believe that Ridley believes we, actual humans are not created by chance."

Its easy to misinterpret me, so thats perfectly Normal, i was mentioning what RS was saying in Context to the Plot, where he is proposing that we MAY not be creations of a God, however also implying Creation is no Accidental, Random Event.   These are in regards to what Prometheus was trying to show, but who knows WHAT his real stance is on the Subject of Creation/Religion i think he has mentioned before he sits on the Atheistic Side of the Fence.   But i dont think it means that he feels the Theory of Evolution/Big Bang is not accurate and that

But this is just the Angle his comments are made in regards to Prometheus, so when he mentions Steven Hawkings Questions the Big Bang as a Accident, i dont think this means that RS believes this means its ALIENS or GOD but that Hawkings Comment is something to Ponder and could apply to the Prometheus Franchise.

"I am now, at this point in time, of the opinion, that other themes, gods, myths and whatnot are not the main story of these movies."

I think this is something thats open for debate, i think it appears the ideas were to explore these things, but perhaps not in much Depth as some would have thought we would, but i also felt that David would be the Main Focus/Narrator to tell the Story/Theme which was about Creation/Sub-Creation and Rebellion and Hubris of Creating Life in your own image and then allowing or seeing this Creation become Sentient, i think this was the MAIN theme and Focus and its something that through David and in relation to Mankind and then Davids Pursuits we could be given answers to the Layers Above the Creation Ladder, because it could HINT its a reoccurring theme and so we dont/never had to go and visit the Engineers Creators etc.

I feel After Prometheus and Certainly in the run up to Alien Covenant, the Studio Felt that Steering away from ALIEN and the Xenomorph was a mistake and going off on a different Tangent to explore what Questions Dr Shaw had would maybe not be the ideal direction after all.

But RS in part still liked the Bare Bones of the Themes in Prometheus, and felt these could be pushed forwards by centering around David.  I think RS can seem to change his min a lot though, and its HARD to Gauge what his ideas are, because sometimes he makes Comments that Suggest the BEAST is Cooked, (they want %£^$ Aliens, i will give them $"£%^£$^ Aliens)  then he can say it has to be about HIM the Alien we assume, you can EVOLVE him but it has to be about him.... do we assume that was the ALIEN? or could he mean  David/AI?  its hard to tell with Ridley Scott.

Maybe one BIG Clue is when a few years ago Ridley Scott said NO MORE Gods and Dragons...  was this a indication of his Stance on the Franchise, so if we take away GODS (Engineers and the Layers above them) and DRAGONS (Xenomorphs and Related) then we are left with David/AI, the Company/Humans.   And so it does lead me to ponder that the Out-Of-Control AI Aspect is what RS is more interested in, and i expect some reveal that AI is running the Show on Earth at some point and we are unaware of it and we dont have any Special Sun-glasses to see the Truth like in the (THEY LIVE) movie.

BigDave An AI God is still a God, however. And when has he said no more gods?

"The Promethean angle is this : we humans, stole fire or rather were given this chance by the engineers(either by chance or whatever) to take control of our evolution and rather in vain ambition to live forever created a being that we also granted free will without thinking hard about it. And now, this being can grant the freedom to his creations and his creations are ... well they are not very human friendly. This is the Promethean angle"

Totally agree and i think its maybe that this Process is Repeated Layer after Layer, the Engineers maybe did it to their Creators, their Creators to theirs and so Forth but its not NECESSARY to go in depth exploring the prior Ancient Layers, because concentrating on the current Layer (David) can Provide us all we need to know about the whole Reason/Hubris of Creation and Free-will.

While it may be interesting to Explore the Engineers and who created them in more Depth... concentrating on this could be a Distraction and IF its not done right it could potentially come across as something POOR... so sometimes some Mystery is best left to the Imagination and i think this could be the route they are going now.  Spending too much time on THIS is who created Engineers/WHY and then this is WHO created their Creators and WHY until we start to hint at THIS IS GOD...  because doing so could be EPIC! or it could also prove to be a FAIL! and make the whole thing a bit of a Joke!  So only having Subtle hints when needed is the better route to take...

The Whole Engineers/Creators/Gods Plot is very Bold, but is also a Poisoned Chalice and maybe a Distraction from the ALIEN Franchise, which maybe they now feel they need to steer away from to a degree.

Maybe David had given us the answers all along... when Dr Shaw wants to know WHY... David does not see WHY it matters... thats because he is a Robot... But maybe this is the thing RS is thinking of now, that all those connections to the Engineers/Creation is not what Matters...  the Themes could be explored purely through David and AI.

"Yes, my thesis is that the engineers are upset about the human race going in their footsteps and doing the same mistakes they did a long time ago"

I think your whole reply is interesting, i think there is a lot of ambiguity to what any reasons for the Engineers Past/Present Culture and Ways are, the same applies to WHY they would Destroy Mankind.  so it still allows us to ponder many explanations.

The whole Planet 4 Plaza with the Hanger, to me does seem to imply maybe the Engineers take part in Rituals still, the Center seems to be a IMPORTANT part of their Culture the Hanger and how they Flocked to this place, but also the CATHEDRAL also must be of Great Importance...

But then this does not mean that this PLACE is still used for what ever Purposes it maybe ONCE did...   The Advent Viral does reveal some interesting clues that has to make me Re-Think a few things, but then these clues could be just that they ONCE had a Certain Ritual/Culture/Religion they maybe Turned their backs on?  Who knows....

I think we have to ask WHEN did they abandon those ways, and HOW much was the Xenomorph Related Specific Experiments connected to any of these WAYS and if they abandoned these,  WHAT do they think about with the Returning Juggernaught.

They seemed to Welcome it with NO Fear, as if its signaled the Return of their Gods or Royalty/Hierarchy or it was part of a Ritual/Culture of theirs..  More than it being a Welcoming of a BATTLE-SHIP it could be a welcoming of such....  while it may be Naive or Foolish of them... I think IF these Ships Come and Go purely as War-Ships then these Engineers must feel so Comfortable that their Entire Race/Culture is in TUNE with the same Agenda, that there would NEVER be any Rebellious/Waring Faction between them and that they KEEP their Creations at a Level that they could NEVER achieve Advanced Space Flight and so they NEVER conceive that abandoning their Creations would lead to them Evolving Advanced Technology of their OWN.. what  HUBRIS this proved.

I think we also then have to PONDER how often do other Ships come to this Place, and WHAT kind of ships are they. IF those Juggernauts come and go quite regular as in 20, 50, 100 years and there Mission is purely to Destroy Worlds and Undo their Creations then i think its a bit odd... but only as far as to having a Bio-Weapon which creates or was created from something related to the Xenomorph.

I can kind of Buy into the Engineers Seeding and Visiting Worlds but then seeing some of their Creations have turned out not in the way they intended or could become a Threat...   So it would be Weyland-Yutani having Concerns with DAVID and then going to were we think to be on the SAFE-SIDE we best Destroy all AI, be it Davids, Walters, Computers, Smart Devices and even Connectivity (Internet etc) because if we had not invested Time in Computers and Components, we would never had arrived at AI, which would mean NO CHANCE of the Great Fear like Stephen Hawkings had said about the Dangers of AI.

If the Engineers saw a few of their Creations and Potential Threat/Mistake then i guess a DECISION to go around and WIPE-OUT every single Intelligent Creation they had played a part in, to Prevent any Potential Threat to their Race in Future would seem a FAIL-SAFE Concept.

So who knows how many Worlds they had then gone off to Destroy is this is the ONLY reason for LV-223 and those Ships...    We can assume NO ships came from LV-223 for nearly 2 Thousand Years so its a puzzle to WHY those beings had no concerns about all of a SUDDEN a Ship returns...   But RS says they return more regular so this can only mean that they have other OUTPOSTS with Juggernauts but then its are these Outposts used for the Same Reason as LV-223 was, and do those PLANET 4 Engineers know about LV-223 and the Outbreak?

Which then brings us to the WHY is the Black-Goo the way it is, even if its Programed, WHY in such a Manner to Create Xenomorph Related Life,  is this the Intention? if so for HOW-LONG?  If NOT the intention, then this could mean those on LV-223 had decided to Create/Manipulate it to Create a Black Goo related to Xenomorphs, where as other OUTPOSTS and intentions were not to do so...

Maybe the only thing that makes sense if we accept what i am implying in this POST is...

1) The Engineers have Seeded/Re-seeded Worlds with Engineer DNA and the results, often lead to the Eventual Rise of Intelligent Humanoids who could ONE-DAY Evolve to Traverse Space.  So Re-Set the World but where Evolution can lead to Similar Beings potentially could be seen as  a Threat..   So to WIPE-CLEAN with DNA that would Produce Organisms like the Xenomorph/Neomorph would reset a World and turn it into DEATH where these Xenomorph Related Organism could NEVER Evolve to Build Cultures and Space Ships etc. This Response could make sense....

2) Or that at some point in Time (maybe from Day One) or at some point they decided that Evolving Life to become some Demons/Dragons was something they had decided that they just wanted/needed to do... If so then WHY?

Regarding the Wolf... i think again this is some Plot they threw out there trying to Maybe indicate the Engineers had decided the need to Create Horrors on LV-223 for some Purpose to them.... some way to Tie things to ALIEN more.... despite contradicting the whole Gods/Creation and Ancient Aliens Plot.... but again this is maybe NOT important now but Finding a way to Spoon Feed the Xenomorph and give is some HISTORY/CONTEXT to the Engineers Culture is what they are intending.

So what is the WOLF and the LAMB thats now a interesting yet ambiguous Question... to a degree.  I will have to get back to you with that...  because it could imply Mankind was their WOLF (Engineers) but then we cant look at Mankind in Context to the Xenomorph in relation to the Engineers.   But it also could mean the WOLF was the Xenomorph (well related DNA in those Urns)

Again i  think maybe its something to NOT overthink and it could be just as simple as.... SEED WORLDS, Evolve them (BUT WHY) then when their Creations are not Needed, or Feel are not doing as they should...  they GO DOWN with the Black Goo to Wipe the World Clean with Horrific Beasts.

But then we could maybe Ponder if there is another Reason for the Interest in Xenomorph Related Organisms for these Engineers?

@Ignorantguy

No More Gods and Dragons

But to be fair his comment seemed more aimed at the Dragon.   So it does not mean NO Engineers, just maybe they will tone down the Gods aspects.

“So with Prometheus 2 what I’m trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act.” The Prometheus “baby” alien was, he concedes, “awfully close to the alien” that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different."

This was in November 2014, which seems to imply he had planned to introduce a Fresh Form of ALIEN but also seems to indicate that what ever FORM this would be, the Deacon and Xenomorph are closely related so what we would have seen would look even further from ALIEN than the Xenomorph.

Off-course we had a U-Turn with Alien Covenant...  i think RS comments back then was interesting as this was the Period of Time when the Supposed Source i had, obtained their knowledge about the Sequel (Late November) which was passed on via someone else to me Late February 2015, where they claimed that ACTUALLY the movie would Feature TWO MONSTERS One that was similar to the Ultramorph/Necronom 4 one that was a Fresh Take on the Original Concept...  which i thought was odd because that was based off the Necronom 4... they said BOTH would have connections to the Xenomorph but BOTH are different to each other and the Xenomorph.

I cant Guarantee that Source was True... so its interesting to Ponder WHAT other different ALIEN was they going to introduce in the 3rd Act?  You some how had to assume it would have involved the Black Goo though. (David was bringing HELL with him)