Alien Covenant: Concept Neomorph Design: Seventh Species

Hehe thanks Big Dave. I'm also scientific researcher-writer I am working on my own nuclear energy projects. I don't have so much time for... But I have a one project want to create. :)

For now, I would like to share Space Jockey level in Alien Isolation game. 

@BigDave

I think this concept work for the Engineers was exactly what they should have done from the start in Prometheus.

This concept is great too I just wish they would have scaled it to at least 20 feet.

Also BigDave I think you have the right idea that we are seeing just many different kinds of Engineers. You got it correct when you said we never saw the Elder Engineers on LV-223....they cut those scenes....so the Elder Engineers could look exactly like the ones depicted as 20 foot tall.

This is a crucial part of the entire plot detail for the franchise moving forward. 

I say this because think about it....the bigger, stronger, more complex your enemy is the greater the fight....you can take a movie franchise and expand upon it any way you want!

But first there must be a TV show on Disney + about Weyland Industries where we have a juggernaut, we have Xenos, we have David's two timing robot locked in a quantum entangled QUBIT computer we are in control of, unlocking all his research to manipulate the black goo and finally weaponize it for a larger set of surgical strikes against the real elder Engineers that are 20 foot tall.

BigDave I have the interview where the exact words come right out of RS own mouth about a bigger confrontation with the Engineers in a huge space battle OK! So this is where RS wanted to take the franchise.

Look at this interview with RS! 

Time index: 4:08. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0

Interviewer, "Is that where you are going?"

RS, "Alien franchise should be into WAR OF THE WORLDS NOW, that is where I am going.....they don't know but that is what we are doing."

Now you understand everything!

So this leaves us with a few more tricks to play before its all been done and seen....and I read all your posts and you read mine so we both know how this all really works for future films. You want to open the door to the Engineers being threatened by us...maybe not being wiped out but we are a real threat to them - Prometheus is DAVID BigDave fire taken from the GODS!!!!!!!!!!...and maybe many more other hostile aliens don't like the Engineers as well.....then we can expand this franchise and take it anywhere we want.

You want a Higgs Field computer right....well lets see a TV show first about Weyland Industries where they are making one just about 75 years before Alien....right BigDave.

Prometheus power taken from the GODS! Power TAKEN FROM GOD!

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Weyland Industries is not building better worlds we are building better universes BigDave.....

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BlackAnt

Prometheus has a cool designs not bad. But until the mask of. 
The engineers face is so simple. And how they know engieers have a mask or suit. Maybe the original Space Jockey is exactly as it was. In addition, where they come from?
Only reasonable original answers died with our master Giger.

@BlackAnt

Scale is always a Funny thing to Gauge ;)

Above is what a 20ft Engineer would look like compared to a Human and a 13ft Engineer (which is my Estimate for the Space Jockey Size).  I think even if we introduce something to NEW to be the Space Jockey then the 20ft Scale would be RIGHT if we look at the Shot from when the Nostromo Crew Enter the Pilot Chamber... but the Illusion is ruined at Close Shots where the Space Jockey Prop was 16ft in Length.

I think introducing the Space Jockey to be 10-12ft that has Grown out of the Chair would be Sufficient ;)

It is a Shame that with Prometheus we never used Digital Effects to give us at least 10ft Tall Engineers.

The WAR OF THE WORLDS comment comes across as Tongue in Cheek...

I think RS intends to have Continued the Prequels to Connect to ALIEN (another TWO) but then he would think the PLOT would leave it OPEN to then go about with a War of the Worlds...

A War of the Worlds Plot would Conflict with the Franchise unless.

1) It is SET after ALIENS so in the Time-Line of 2180+

2) RS intended to RETCON the Franchise after ALIEN.

3) The WAR takes place in a FAR part of the Galaxy away from Mankind on Earth.

Certainly for Weyland-Yutani their would be more Interesting things to had gained from the Engineers than the Bio-Weapon and Never mind the Xenomorph.

@BigDave

CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT!!!!!!!! 

We keep going back and forth with this idea of metrics....you are correct the space jockey in the seat of the juggernaut is about the size we see in Prometheus...very good assessment.....

Seriously though BigDave you believe the new film is predicated on some soap opera affairs that have in-depth shots of a few new clever scenes with David's arch and the rest of that nonsense.....wrap it all up in a neat bow and move on to bigger an better things....reread what I wrote....that is the next film! because it is infinitely possible for anything.....it allows for the introduction of literally anything....and gives these new never before seen 20 foot tall ruling Aliens over the Engineers something they have to make sure they fight to the very end to stop.

I mean BigDave I know you read a lot of posts but really. You don't think computers that powerful are what they are!

I will say it again...we figure out from the black goo how to really have the power of it through another sub atomic field......We take fire from the GODS!!!!! and the 20 foot tall ruling elite don't like that!!!!!!

That is a lot of power! You could take a movie franchise in almost any direction because of the power it gives anyone that has it....that is the point of these movies....it has to be teased out correctly....with the sets, actors, and special effects....I SAID THINGS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN FILM.....WE WANT SOMETHING NEW WITH SUBSTANCE!!!

Weyland Industries building better universes....not just better worlds. 

Weyland comes back with power like this....he never dies! 

If you read about the power the engineers really have they are almost between flesh and taking on a presence in higher dimensions as god like beings...time is no longer a barrier to them.....how much more simple can I make this.

"If you read about the power the engineers really have they are almost between flesh and taking on a presence in higher dimensions as god like beings...time is no longer a barrier to them.....how much more simple can I make this."

Well its interesting to Speculate and indeed the Alien 01 The Master Narrative was indicating HOW FAR the Engineers seemed to have come compared to say what we saw in Prometheus and also that they FELT they was on the Verge of a Great Break-though to Transcend past a Physical Body and Existence.

And so YES we could apply such a Plot in Future.

With the Scale i was merely pointing out that our Space Jockey CHAIR would accommodate a 12-15ft being.

Indeed the Intention was 27ft Tall, but in Reality the First Shot would have appeared to be about 21ft... close up 13-15ft.

I know your talking about CHANGE and that you can Expand the Franchise with NEW things and so YES.. you could introduce another RACE that are above the Engineers who are indeed 20ft Tall.  A Species who DONT even have to be Humanoid and Possess so much POWER they would appear as GODLIKE.

Regarding the Engineers in Context to "taking on a presence in higher dimensions as god like beings" then YES i think you could still go for this PLOT but then you have to Wonder to WHAT is the Relation to the Planet 4 Engineers and HOW did such a Godlike Race go and $£%$^ things up for themselves.

@BigDave

What makes you believe the elders ever %@#$! things up!

Maybe they are now aware of the power of humans and how far they have come......you ever considered that...they are not sure what information David transmitted back to Weyland Industries about how the black goo really works in context to applying it to really super powerful AI.....the entire thing about Alien BigDave has been this struggle between what is biological and what is machine....computers vs what we can think in our own minds....OBVIOUSLY the Elder 20 foot tall engineers have very powerful computers....however, they cannot violate causality!

OK! so no more nonsense....when things happen they happen for a reason...there is no such thing as causality loops that trap entire universes forever into the same construct over and over...that is nonsense...its always changing at the quantum level for eternity, which by the way is a very big place....you know how big eternity is?

No you dont so you have no idea how powerful an Elder machine is that is at least one million years more advanced or MORE!!!!!!!.....we are stealing fire from the GODS! we are bringing back Peter Weyland.....because the physics does allow for that.......it adds a lot more that we can work with and gets us out of the stupidy of alien 3 and 4....and onto real things that matter...you like things that matter right.....or you want to watch dumb and dumber play out with some contrite scenes with some soap opera takes on David's story line....what a putrid waste that would be. Time is of the essence BigDave make the most of it while you can.

David pulled a fast one with that Juggernaut that is it end of story...you think he Killed every Engineer on every single planet they inhabit....these things exist all over the Galaxy and other galaxies MAN!

@BlackAnt

With Respect i can see your a NEW Member and so you have likely NOT came across a lot of what i have discussed over the years ;)

I have been a Strong Advocate for the SCOPE the Engineers Plot can and should Explore.  This PLOT does-not have to be Confined to the BOX that is the Zeta 2 System.   

*The Engineers indeed had Charts/Maps to other Galaxies and so its unlikely they just had them for No Reason.

*The Creators Plot in addition to above means we can ONLY imagine the Number of Worlds that have been Visited, Seeded and Manipulated by these beings.

*For a Race that have established Interstellar Travel many Millions of Years ago, then YES we cant even Fathom the Technology and Power these beings Posses.

*Indeed the earlier Concept/Idea had more about the Power these Engineers had gained, how they started to Perceive things beyond what our Senses could Sense. Plus a Agenda to Transcend to something ELSE!

*Our Engineers were also 15ft which when compared to Humans would appear to be Giants.

So with Prometheus then things got TONED down somewhat as FAR as what we saw as HOW powerful our would be GODS are... but THAT does not mean we could NOT explore places where we would FIND the Hierarchy/Elders who Posses Powers Beyond our Comprehension. 

So the Prequels have NOT really tapped into the Potential of those who are at the TOP of the Ladder so to Speak, and also would SUCH beings have to be Located on our Door Step?

Only for Plot Convenience.

There is still the Possibility to show us other Engineer Worlds that are FAR different to Planet 4, to introduce us to Engineers/Elders that are indeed 15-20ft Tall.

Where are these Engineers?  In a Galaxy FAR FAR away?

If this is the Case then in the GRAND Scheme of it all, Earth is but ONE Tiny Dot.... the LV-223 Facility and Outbreak just maybe ONE of many many such Places....  for such a Species they could decide to just Abandon LV-223 and let us to ROT and eventually Destroy Ourselves!

The Engineers are likely Arrogant and Ignorant... so Caught Up in their Achievements that they would THINK that without their HELP then Mankind abandoned Thousands of Years ago would NEVER be able to Reach the Stars!

They would TOTALLY NOT expect us never mind a Synthetic we have Created to be Turning Up at their Worlds...  If they was EVER concerned about the Potential Threat that we could Possess..... then after the EVENTS on Planet 4... then ONCE they discover what has HAPPENED they would soon have to START to have GRAVE Concerns for many of their Creations.. and would Certainly WANT to DESTROY Mankind.

To Continue....

Then as far as A.I goes then with David he is a THREAT... with the Engineers Secrets and Technology he becomes more of a THREAT

Once you Create a Superior A.I that becomes Sentient then ONCE that Genie is out the BOX your in Trouble.

Looking at what you mention about the Engineers Quantum Computing.... then INDEED... should David and other Synthetics have Access and Control over such things... then Mankind is well Screwed!  

With such POWER then David/Synthetics could INDEED look to seek out the Engineers for Domination and more Power.

so YES there is Potential to Expand the Franchise... but i think some of the BOLD ideas may be too Bold for what many would want from a ALIEN Franchise.

With Prometheus it opened up the Franchise.. took it out of the BOX.... but with AC it seems they placed it back into the BOX somewhat again.

@TITANPOINTE

I am SORRY this has Totally gone OFF TOPIC

Good Luck with all your Work and Thanks for the Sharing ;)

BigDave

You r welcome, cheers! :)