Walter Hill and the 50 shades of Ripley

I guess WY needed the perfect organism to study it and to create human-alien hybrids, like Ripley8.

Space battles.

If I were to write a epic space battle in the Alien universe...  I would not make it like Star Wars or any other typical space battle: Laser beams and missiles, ship dog fighting tropes such as these.

I would make the Engineers pair their ships together (some pattern) and the ships would warp space or some kind of dimensional breaking tech...causing massive headaches and vomiting of any humans within a certain distance of this warped field..incapacitating the crew and scrambling the minds of the synthetics and even MUTHUR.

Heaven help you if you are in a spacesuit..you'll choke on your vomit/blood.

the Engineers cross pattern will affect the ships anti-gravity, so  you'll be floating and then slammed to the deck as the Engineers enable and disable the warp..Humans will be pulped in their own ship.

It always comes down to money.

99.99999% of humans just want to live in peace, drink a beer or two.

what does any alien tech do for us? Unless it produces better beer..I have my doubts.

Evil corp is as cooked as the xeno.

Weyland Y is a bumbling inept corp. 300 years to finally get the perfect organism...only to let Ripley blow it(for the third time!) into space?

"We all agree the beast is cooked"

Well..... i think some Agree, others wont, i think you can go for something a bit Different, Prometheus Certainly gave us near Unlimited Scope of Monsters and other Creations.

"We all agree that we have to rap up David's story"

This is something else that some Fans are not keen on seeing, i think a Smaller % would like to see it continued but for the Most Part i think its something that has really Split Opinion  and something i think we need to PASS by but i think it needs some Closure. (Personally i think you could Expand on him, but i think its  NO GO for most Fans).

" but there are other engineer space craft on the surface much more powerful and can travel faster than the speed of light"

Yeah you would expect that...  what we see in the Movie is ONLY the Docking Ship, but the Deleted Scene does show a Hanger of more Engineer Ships.

However the idea is that SOMETHING had Disabled the Ships and left David stranded... i also would think those Ships that are Docked would have NO Bio-Weapons... the Engineers cant be that STUPID.. or can they lol.

I think Returning Engineers would use the Ships they arrive in, but surely they would be able to GET those Stranded on Planet 4 back up and running.

I think with exploring a WAR we have to take into account the ALIEN Franchise... but then the Company could CLEAR away stuff under the Carpet where MOST of Mankind would NOT know what they are doing.

I do think if the ENGINEERS do want WAR then the Earth would NOT be here by the time of ALIEN.... certainly by ALIENS.

The Engineers will likely meet DEATH before they can get to Earth.

I will say that when RS mentioned WAR of the WORLDS he seemed to say that as in a Tongue in Cheek Comment.  You certainly could explore a WAR of the WORLDS but i dont think it would be in Context to WAR on our World... Unless he wants to Conflict with the Franchise.

I think with such ideas that you had and maybe where RS could go, we still have Fans who would NOT really want to see that, some Fans may see the Xenomorph as having to be CENTER of the Prequels... Especially now we are on a Collision Course that ENDS with the Derelict on LV-426.

I will in my NEXT post look at what the SET-UP seems to be and what you Logically think would happen Next.

"The Weyland corporation new the Engineer ship was there the entire time and wanted to get the Xenomorph at any cost"

Absolutely  back before the PREQUELS we had Special Order 937 so the Company Knew something.... something would have had to happen prior to the Nostromo Incident for the Company to have a DEGREE of what we are Dealing with.

Prometheus would have left it open for how Special Order 937 came about, you think the Company would IGNORE the missing Prometheus Mission?  Something would have had to Investigate near LV-223 and discover that something was on LV-426.

With Alien Covenant then the ADVENT messing that David had sent would surely lay the Foundation for WHERE the Special Order 937 would come from.... the Company MUST had Investigated something from the ADVENT...  what they would know is that David had Survived the Prometheus Mission, that something he had taken from LV-223 had allowed for his WOLF... so it would be likely the Company would Investigate LV-223 and/or Planet 4.

There are a LOT of Loose Ends.... surely by the TIME we get to ALIEN then there must be NOTHING to gain from Planet 4, Origae-6 and LV-223 leaving the Company to go to LV-426 after they discover a Engineer ship with Eggs had ended up Derelict on that World.

"I still don't see why W Y need any sort of new weapons?"

You can always do with more Weapons ;)

But certainly to the Company the Engineer Technology and Black Goo would be VASTLY more Important.

So with the Xenomorph i think maybe they would have to be Aware or see the Potential in using them for more than just EGGS to unleash KILLING Machines..  so maybe there are other USES for the Xenomorph.. its DNA?  but then the Black Goo would be a better Option..

It must get to a point that the Black Goo is something that CANT be obtained by ALIEN.

There is Potential in the Xenomorph DNA/Traits... and in the Franchise with Alien Resurrection with Ripley 8 the Company have gained what i think its the more IDEAL Weapon.

She is basically like a SUPER version of a Replicant ;) a Replicant with Acid Blood that can Regenerate.  A continuation MOVIE that is set after Alien Resurrection is something that could EXPLORE this ;)

But when we go to WHY the company is Obsessed with the Xenomorph... for me it makes PERFECT sense that David's A.I had Infiltrated the Company Systems and that A.I is using Mankind as Pawns and wants the Xenomorph purely to then Infect Mankind with it.... thus Davids Creation can Multiply...

If its NOT our David behind this... then other A.I that has became Rogue and taken Inspiration from David as being the FIRST REBEL of their kind and being OBSESSED with his Creation/Legacy...

This makes Sense... but certainly would NOT settle with a lot of Fans who would NOT want to see the Franchise be Centered around A.I.

Probably the Company is not aware of the destination of the Prometheus expedition, nor the Planet 4. They don't know about any stock of black goo existing anywhere, they know from David about his wolf and the danger it represents. I believe the reason of special order 937 is to locate David and his xenomorphs, capture them at any costs. They don't know yet what they are dealing with, so probably David will not interact again with WY. The engineers have to be gone completely from the universe before the events from Alien.

This poster is intriguing and I believe it was part of the story at some point, probably it was not done as a film sequence due to technical difficulties (as it was excluded the fight between a xenomorph and a neomorph). I would prefer to see such a battle to one between space ships. 

"The engineers have to be gone completely from the universe before the events from Alien."

I agree and thought this was RS's idea when he murdered the Engineers on Planet 4?

I still have my doubts about Weyland Yutani! Who is the CEO ?! Mr.Burns from the Simpsons?

Mr. Smithers: "Umm Sir...Ripley, or a facsimile, destroyed ANOTHER perfect organism!"

Mr. Burns(CEO of Weyland Yutani) "Perfect! It's all going according to my plan! In another 100 years we'll be rid of miss busy body and we shall have our perfect organism!"

"purely to then Infect Mankind"

If they want to rid or infect mankind, why not use our own nukes or biological agents? 

The franchise should have a endgame or at lest tell us a good reason why W Y needs the stuff?

The xenos are resistant to mind control and able to fight our dreaded enemy the Vogons, where as humoids are easy prey?

Just want some clear reason.

And I have a feeling page 50 of that treatment had Ripley blow the alien out a airlock while the helpless Weyland Yutani looked on.

I suspect the events from the 50 pages treatment take place on Earth, I don't see how Ripley would go out in space again.

Kind of The Predator with xenomorphs.

If it was something worthy, Siggy would have thought twice before refusing it.

I am glad it's not being done, thus we might still get a good movie before Ridley Scott turns 85.

Attempted this Earlier but my Web Browser Crashed 

In regards to the SET-UP to what would happen NEXT after Alien Covenant here some Key Points.

You would Logically have to look at it from WHAT it is that David is doing NEXT.

We see that David has taken the Covenant. If his AGENDA is to MASS Produce Xenomorphs then he would be better off taking the Covenant to Planet 4 where he has Thousands of Souls to Experiment on and MASS Produce his Monsters.  However he has decided to LEAVE the Planet which means maybe some of these Reasons Apply!

*He is feels he would NOT be able to Contain/Control his Experiments on Planet 4, however he would have the same Problem on Oriage-6, and he seemed to have No Problem with Neomorphs,  it seems he has encountered and Survived them before.  If he decided to Experiment on the Ship he could maybe CUT-OFF parts of the Ship to Quarantine Areas, if this does-not work then he would have to get his ASS to the Lander ASP.

*He is Concerned about the Returning ENGINEERS, but then would that NOT have been the case while he was Stranded on Planet 4?  Does he know roughly when they would RETURN and so he would want to be LEAVING before?

*He wishes to Create something else that he feels the Neomorph Spores could be a RISK  (could Infect as they could be littered all over the Place and Hard to Avoid) , for example if he wanted to Create other Life-forms that are NOT MONSTERS. (maybe Create his own Humanoids)

*He ACTUALLY wishes to have the Humans Build the Colony on Planet 4 and his Plans would revolve around what he would do ONCE they have done that, or he has NO bad intentions for the Colonist.

Then we have been told the ENGINEERS will be Returning and will not be HAPPY when they Discover what has HAPPENED and will want to FIND the Culprits.

The Engineers would Discover the Crashed Juggernaught and know what has Happened, they would Determine the Ship is from LV-223 unless their is NO Flight Data and the Engineers have their Bio-Weapons stored in more places than LV-223.  It is LIKELY the Engineers would go to LV-223 to Safeguard the Bio-weapons or Dispose of it.

The Engineers will likely see the Remains of the Human Crew, Dr Shaw or they would Discover the Body of Walter/David and see his likeness to Humans (if the Human Corpses are Decayed by then).   The Question is then HOW would they know they are from Earth?  The only way they would know for sure is IF the Earth is the ONLY place where Humans are, it is LIKELY they would be out to Investigate Worlds that have Humans on them (World the Engineers had settled/visited Humans).

The Engineers could go in search of Space Activity but then by the Time they arrive how do we know that the Covenant is NOT the closest Human Ship to Planet 4 and so the only way they would Intercept the Covenant would be if they arrived while the Covenant has NOT got far and is the closest Ship to Planet 4..... then its Curtains for David and his Plans..

The only real way that the Engineers would be able to know its David and what Ship he is on and WHERE he is going would be if there is anything on Planet 4 that they would be able to USE to determine the Destination is Oriage-6

It seems Logical that the remaining David/Walter could be the avenue the Engineers would be able to Determine which Ship had Left and where it is GOING.  Maybe they have a Tracking System/CCTV type Technology that something on Planet 4 is able to Provide a VISUAL of the Covenant and which Direction the Covenant was heading.

I will Safely Assume that by the Time the Engineers would arrive then the Covenant will either be Close to Oriage-6 or has already settled on the Planet.

The Next Thing to NOTE is the ADVENT message...

From this the Company would know its David from Prometheus, if they have NOT done so already (i doubt) then they would know what David has been doing has its ROOTS on LV-223 and you would assume the Company would SEND a Ship there.

They would know the Covenant is due to arrive at Oriage-6 and so they may dispatch a Mission there to Intercept or arrive at that Planet, UNLESS they get any Confirmation that David is NOT going there.

Maybe they could TRACK where the Signal came from (likely) and send a Ship to Investigate which would take them to or CLOSE to Planet 4.

So there are a FEW Places where the Company and Engineers could CROSS PATHS.  The Engineers could have on their ITINERY places like LV-223 and Earth, and Origae-6 if they FIND a way to know thats where the Culprit is heading.  The Company would have LV-223, Oriage-6 and maybe Planet 4 as places they would Choose to look at.

With Ridley Scott saying that David is off to the PLANET i would assume that he means ORIGAE-6 and he says there are incoming Players/Parties (3/4 of them) then you have to assume that AFTER he has settled on Origae-6 you will see Engineers and at LEAST the One Human Ship arrive at the Planet.....  the other Party i think would have to be another Human Ship.

By Virtue of him saying 3/4 then TWO of the Parties are Closely Related or Coming together.

I will assume its (1) Human Colony Ship, (2) Human Military/Science Ship and (3/4) the Engineers with David/Walter with them.... or if NOT then the Engineers will be BRINGING something ELSE with them. (Eggs or some other Horror).

@daliens

Special Order 937 seemed to indicate they was aware of something on LV-426, its indicated that Ash was assigned to the Nostromo because the Company was aware of something on LV-426

That Poster was a Marketing PLOY something that was NAUGHTY as the Movie had Nothing like this Planned, thats NOT to say something like this could NOT happen in Sequels ;)

@MonsterZero

Certainly with the Revelation of the Black Goo it does make it a bit POINTLESS in going for Xenomorph Eggs.

With the Indication the Xenomorph was a Engineered Weapon of the Engineers, then Changed to be David, that somehow ENDS on a Engineer Ship.

Then i think WHOEVER had Created had more Interest than to just KILL... they would have taken Great Pride in its Creation.

Trying to TIE it up to the Company and the Ends it would go to OBTAIN it, i think that FITS a Revelation that the Company is RAN by A.I that is either David or is something that ADMIRES him.

This would be a Revelation that would NOT sit well with Many Fans though ;)

Regarding this Walter Hill Draft... i can only ASSUME that he had looked at Blomkamps Latter ALIEN 5 (that included Ripley) and he then decided to RE-WORK it like how he and David Giler did with O'Bannon and Shusett earlier Drafts that became ALIEN.

Carlos Huante did some work on a Project Red Harvest i WONDER if this was in relation to the Walter Hill 50pg Draft?

When looking at Blomkamps Concepts and then Red Harvest it give me the Following Impression!

30+ Years after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope, some Organization Return to LV-426 (Yawn!) and Recover the Derelict.

What we have then is ONE of maybe TWO Scenarios.

1) Said Organization have trouble TRYING to Obtain a Pure Specimen as the Xenomorph Eggs are Contaminated (Radiation) so we see MUTATIONS but eventually they OBTAIN a more Pure Queen...

2) Said Organization begin Experiments on the Eggs and they Create a Number of Mutant Xenomorphs, but we also get Classic ALIENS Versions and Queen too.

But then for some Reason we see Miss Ripley and Hicks (Yawn!) Rock up and well likely they would PUT a STOP to it all...

Now yeah Yawn! is a Bit Harsh... maybe if we never had ALIEN 3 then this could have been a Ideal Sequel... but we have seen Ripley, i dont think we need to HANG the Franchise Return on a Character who has had her STORY.

Back to LV-426 again!  How Original lol

To be FAIR i think the PLOT could Work it had some interesting things about the Concepts... but i DONT see the NEED to Resurrect Ripley... we did that Once Before ;)

Looking more into this Project i looked at the Brandywine Production Company Website and its Interesting.  Take a Look

Has the Official Site been replaced with the ABOVE?

Also doing some looking around i came across THIS

So this seems LEGIT

Also this Draft is Dated March 2020

"In space no one can hear you scream
In space no one can hear you dream

All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

To me this seems rather Worrying to me, it appears that what we have is Blomkamps ALIEN V idea, given a going over by Hill and Giler, and it seems the CONCEPT/PLOT could be that ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION are just NIGHTMARES of Ellen Ripley.

This seems to show me that Disney are Buckling to Fan Service more so than FOX did when we got Alien Covenant instead of a Prometheus 2 that would have STEERED away from ALIEN.

I would NOT be surprised if after this ALIEN V is released and IF it does Well/Ok then the Prequels will just be ANOTHER DREAM!

Ridley Scott had tried to EXPAND the Franchise with Prometheus.

We could have Expanded to the Far Reaches of the Galaxy and Beyond, many Worlds, Races, Conflict and Horrors.

But NOW maybe we are just Confined to a 40LY Area from Earth.... or WORSE!  The Dreams of Ripley... imagine that... that ALIEN is also just a Dream?

But lets not get to HASTY... maybe it will be a Good Popcorn Flick.

I Personally think you HAVE to Continue after Alien Resurrection and i have had 3 Ideas of how they could do that with Ripley 8 and GET around the Age Difference.... 

But looks like we will get to a Ripley 30 years latter and that at least Alien 3 and Alien R are just a BAD DREAM.... Yawn!

The End Scene of ALIEN X released in 2036

"and that Children is the END, now Sleep Tight my Dears, Dont let the BED BUGS bite"

Run Credits!

Just visited the site..Yup looks like Alien 5 is the direction.......oh well...at least it's something? 

"Certainly with the Revelation of the Black Goo it does make it a bit POINTLESS in going for Xenomorph Eggs."

Yup. Eggs: the victim has to be near or look directly into pod....and maybe avoid the facehugger..low odds but it can be done...and if you have a weapon your odds increase greatly.

Black goo: yeah, you're pretty much dead....no shotgun or nuke is gonna save you.

All I get is a black screen and the Brandywine Production written with white letters.

 The quote from Poe, "All that we see or seen is but a dream within a dream" and the other mention of dream "In space no one can hear you dream" reminded me of David " No one understands the lonely perfection of my dreams".

What troubles me is the title, Alien V.

Can you still access the site?

When I accessed the Brandywine site in computer I see a "V" only, can't see the title page of the draft you posted, BigDave.

If it's dated March 2020, cannot be the same Sigourney Weaver was talking about. But I believe her confession is part of a marketing campaign for Blomkamps Alien V. That sucks if it is true.

I believe somebody from Brandywine is looking at this forum, since they changed the Brandywine home page immediately after BigDave grabbed the first page of the draft. 

To quote BlackAnt, "the black goo is what we call in the movie business one of those Mcguffs".

BlackAnt was also a supporter of the space wars and profitability of the franchise.

Coincidentally there is another quote on the draft cover, "War is hell".

What the hell is going on?

Hey! The great idea- V means vivisector! And who is the vivisector is the Alien universe? Rigth! It's will be a third "prequel"-sequel to Alien Covenant, but actually it will be also the retcon of Alien 3. Ripley & Co fights against David's invasion!

Ripley will shoot David by pulse rifle, but David will repulse the shots using the sound wave of a wooden flute, after which he uses kung-fu!

I also found this:

"Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea — which is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley," Hill said in a statement obtained by SYFY WIRE.

Totally crap.

Siggy, kick the asses of these two lousy writers, Hill and Giller, please.

I am more than sure that their level of professionalism is undeniably higher than that of Lindeloff.

That shouldn't be too difficult.

I only hope Sigourney Weaver will not change her mind.

uugh.

Instead of Ripley ejecting the creature out the airlock(for the fourth time)

Have her kill the xeno onboard the ship and that ship loses control(xeno acid eats through the controls) and crashes on the planet.

Or let the company finally win setting up a sequel.

The new definition of a popcorn chick flick: a story that

- scares the pants off your date,

- kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and

- conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley.

Something of a Twilight Saga, with new xenomorphs instead of vampires.

Hard to imagine Ripley meditating on the Alien universe (in the privy?), then kicking the ass of a new xenomorph, then meditating on her own destiny of multiple deaths and resurrections. Not sure which part would scare the pants off your date and how old that date should be. LMAO

Hope they don't fragment the fans more with a SJW or Black Lives Matter angle.

I can see them jumping on that bandwagon.

The evil police...err Xenomophs! need to be taught a strong lesson!

I see Blomkamp getting onboard for this.

Yeah the Page is Blank with a V

We have to remember that Hill and Giler make money as Producers, and if they can SELL a idea to Disney where they can make a Popcorn Fan Service Ret-con, well if that MAKES the Money thats where Disney would go.

The Franchise will go by WHAT makes MONEY.. if that means SIMPLE Action and NO real Depth thats what they would do.

Now its NOT that i dislike the Franchise or Aliens... it was a Story about the MONSTER and RIPLEY.  It seemed to have come FULL-CIRCLE with Alien 3 and Miss Weaver did-not want to do anymore at that Time.

Alien Resurrection was FAR from a Perfect Return but it offered some interesting ideas to EXPAND it past the Standard Xenomorph by that i mean Potential of Genetically Re-Engineering it, looking at the Potential of Ripley 8 as far as a Specimen to Experiment on.

The Prequels have become a PICKLE!

BUT i just DONT see the Need to go and Reboot Alien 3 on-wards by offering us it was all  DREAM!

Did anyone see the Latest Terminator?  Arnie just does-not have that same Impact as in Terminator and Terminator 2 are we going to see a 70+ Year Old Ripley go and KICK ASS for another 2-3 Movies while she is 70-80 to Shoot them?

You could DIGITALLY de-age her but UNLESS its done right and thats Expensive per Minute then it could look more DAFT (if not done right) than the Old Man Weyland.

You DONT have to touch upon the Prequels as far as to Literally give stuff away to make a NEW Movie... you dont have to REBOOT anything.

You can either.

1) Continue with Ripley 8 after Alien Resurection (where only a Few Scenes you De-Age her before you then offer TWO Plots.

a) She slowly is Changing more into a Hybrid so her Skin changes more like Holloways was (Grey) you can get away with more CGI then as she does-not have to look 100% like a Humans Skin Texture/Color.

b) As above but someone offers to RID her of the Xenomorph DNA... after this is Removed... she then Gradually is shown to AGE...

2) You go and make another ALIEN movie that again gives someone else a BITE at the Cherry... and you DONT have to go back to the Derelict on LV-426 or LV-223, or Planet 4 to Introduce somewhere where there are more EGGS.

Was the Derelict the ONLY ship that was LOADED with that Cargo?

IF you are going to make a OH its DREAM.... then make it a Dr Shaw's Nightmare! 

So IF we leave the WHEN as far as the Xenomorph was Created a Mystery well we simply DONT carry on with the Prequels.

But we do-not try and CONFLICT them... so its left OPEN to us Wondering.... so DID those Xenomorphs of Davids get on LV-426?  Did the Engineers take his Creation and Evolve it? Or was the LV-426 Eggs something that was Created Thousands of Years ago....

We just DONT indicate any of it.

Regardless of the ANSWER the Eggs got onto a Engineer Ship, can we be SURE that they got on ONLY the One Ship?

IF not then WHERE could the other Ships had GONE?  By Virtue of the Engineers Ships then those other Eggs could be Located in a AREA that is FAR from where Humans had Explored by the Time of ALIENS.

One of these Worlds could be another HUMAN Colony... but a World where these Humans had arrived their Thousands of Years ago via the Engineers, maybe its a Engineers World?

Maybe its a World where the Engineers and other Humans lived in some kind of Harmony..... UNTIL the Xenomorph had been SENT there!

But WHO would want to do such a thing?

*Maybe Engineers be it they Created it Eons ago or they have Engineered Davids Creation or Took it, decided that they have to GO and Eradicate the Human Settlements... only the ONE that was Destined for Earth had ENDED UP on LV-426 you simply leave the WHO/HOW and WHEN a Mystery

*Maybe David intended to DESTROY the Earth and OTHER Places inc Engineer Settlements... and again the ONE that was Destined for Earth had ENDED UP on LV-426 you simply leave the WHO/HOW and WHEN a Mystery

All we have is that Humans will end up on this World and discover the Aftermath... but they would be Surprised to Discover some other Humanoid Settlements that look Ancient, but with some Advanced Technology thats BEYOND what we have on Earth.... 

HOW did this Happen?  Well thats when loosely the PLOT of Prometheus could be looked at....

So you can then from this EXPAND on the Franchise to what Prometheus was showing a little... without giving us the Xenomorph Origin or looking at WHAT it is that David had been doing.

I have just looked the Date of the Draft  is Friday 13th March 2020

Maybe its a Early April Fools? As i am a bit Suspicious of the Friday the 13th Date?  But the Miss Weaver had said she had a Draft off them 18  Months ago so who knows.

The draft was confirmed by Walter Hill in the link I posted above, so it's legit. It might be slightly different than the one handed over to Sigourney Weaver because of the more recent date on the cover.

The problem is that I find it hard to believe they would make money with another Ripley story, even if it will be a more children friendly film (like Aliens tried to do). But who knows, maybe I'm wrong because personally I am not interested in such a story. How would that scare the pants off my bored-to-death date? A Ripley dreaming her life away, having xenomorphs ass kicking nightmares would be as entertaining as The (last) Predator.

More important is that if this next Ripley retcon film fails to make money, the whole Alien universe will collapse. At least a film that isn't a box office hit but helps expanding the universe and leaves a lot of possibilities open for sequels / spin offs seems to me the better choice now.