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BlackAnt

Oh, go right ahead...please do.

Of course then all your posts will be scrutinized, and if you delete them, they're still in the server archives and such.

And nice try in attempting to make me look like the instigator. However it's been tried against me and others here before--as you are trying right now--and the Admin is not a fool. My track record of behaviour around here speaks for itself--as does your lack of it in posts that have drawn the ire of others along with myself.

My track record however comes off as quite good--more people than merely myself have problems with you, as has been seen and stated in previous posts by them, and I know you've already been flagged with the Admin once, so by all means...keep it up, try your little games, such-like what you're trying in making me look like the aggressor...that is NOT new, or original, and this is the wrong place to try that insipid and inane trick.

I'll be keeping an eye on you, I have copies of all your posts as do the servers and Admin, and if you start harrassing/attacking people here again, I'll flag you, and that along with the previous Flag isn't a good thing.

So don't threaten me, you are in no position to do so with any credibility.

From here on in, I will have nothing more to do you with by way of any replies/responses.

You've been Warned, duly and properly.

Conduct yourself and mitigate your behaviour accordingly.

Hey, Thanks Blackwinter-Witch... That's really cool-of-You to think so! You are GREAT! I've made suggestions upon here before & some really kind, GREAT people commented in very complimatary ways about the ideas I have been suggesting & coming up with. It would really be great to be involved with the warm enthusiasm of many of You out there towards some of the things I've talked to You about... It would be really cool if the owners of the franchise began branching out into different arteries of narrative exploration so-to-speak.

There have been loose rumours recently of some selmace of a show or two shows with regards to a sreaming idea being considered. We'll see soon, I guess... :-) !

I'm only surprised they didn't come about sooner. lol

The Film Theory Of Everything

That is an extraordinary idea!! That would be truly epic, and the sheer potential for storytelling is just incredible, and able to handle all scales of such!

This idea of yours NEEDS to Happen!

VivisectedEngineer

Yeppers! Science fiction gives us a magic mirror, that let's us try on different views of ourselves, our civilization and the universe itself...

I think that's why I love it so much!

Thoughts_Dreams

BigDave

Blackwinter-Witch

I've stated to You BigDave a longtime back when We-both had a real interesting back-&-forth fleshing-out an idea /hypothosis We were both trying to make work & I said what if they extended the franchise into technically executed series like WESTWORLD only I proposed that they call it simply: WEYLAND Set in near future yet futuristic time, charting the rise of the companies journey to prominance & technical supiriority. What things they were getting involved in almost a BLADE RUNNER TV/Streaming series exploring WEYLAND'S experimenting in A.I., space colonisation, the rise of the UTANI corporation & the signifigance of the part they had to play in the grand scheme of things, the inevitable WEYLAND-UTANI merger & the machinations that ultimately & inevitably led up to the merger in the first place...

Maybe in time there could be a spin-off series called "UTANI" running parallel to that of WEYLAND: BUILDING BETTER WORLDS about what corporate manuevering they (UTANI) were doing or wiil do to wind-up merging with WEY-CORP. It's seen from UTANIS' point-of-view.

It would very much play like WESTWORLD to some degree... You can even begin with the Peter Weyland TED Talk deleted scene from PROMETHEUS as a segway into the familiarity of the franchise, focusing in on critical characters & infastructure they manage. I want to see how this affects there relationships with each other & how those encounters, in turn, affect there moral compass in the choices they end up making that will affect the lives of many throughout, at this point in time, the solar system. I suppose a little: THE EXSPANSE sounding but with the embelishment of other influences: LOST, handled in a very calculating, edgy kind-of-way regarding production value, writing concepts, themes & tone.

Here's a few images I photoshopped together from WESTWORLD intro credit scenes & a screen capture of the PROMETHEUS BlueRay Main Menu Intro that would give a feel as-to the personality a "WEYLAND" TV/Streaming series/mini-series would come across like through the screen during its opening credit scenes & ending with the title WEYLAND wih the subtitle below:

             WEYLAND:                                                             BUILDING BETTER WORLDS 

@Blackwinter-witch

Sounds brilliant!

"...and we're violent, dangerous, obstinate as well as xenophobic while also being entirely unwilling to be dictated to by a 'superior power'."

I love these sort of themes in sci fi. Where humanity is either too brutal and unsophisticated to get along with other intelligent species or too indomitable to be successfully subjugated for very long. 

Sci fi is such a great way to examine how we view ourselves, what values we hold up as "superior" and how we wish to progress, as a species. 

Those are pretty cool! I'm not sure where I'd be able to wear them, though. 

I recently ordered me some polos with the Weyland Yutani logo in the crest to wear to work. I realized that if you don't look too close, the Weyland Yutani logo looks a lot like the logo of the school where i teach. 

...Like, I expect the other nerds on the science team to notice immediately. It's only the principal's nose I need to slip it under lol.

@Blackwinter-witch

Right? I never gave that a second thought. I did always think that the button thing sticking out of the helmet was kind of weird and sort of wondered about it, but never made the connection. 

And the narrator is right, the opening sequence is very "hypnotic". Like, I don't have a long attention span, but I've never been bored by the opening sequence even though it has no dialogue or real action. 

I also liked his observation about the "flatulence noise". I never noticed that, but he's so right! 

Blackwinter-witch please stop calling me a troll...I already asked you politely to stop once before....and you keep harassing me.....If you refer to me as a troll one more time I will report you to the admin.

I have nothing against you and have no problems with you being here and do not wish you to harass me any more...if you continue I will ask that your account be flagged immediately.

Man, those guys do some really excellent work!!!

Thoughts_Dreams

You raise a good point, and one I agree with. I do my best, and I know that the end result is not and never will be Perfect.

But, I do know when I hit the point that I know in my bones I just can not make a work any better and it's time to finish it and get it out for people to read and enjoy, perfection be damned.

That's part of being a writer--strive for Perfection, knowing you'll never reach it, knowing that at a certain point you have done all and as best you can, and aware of the fact that weeks or months later you'll have a Great Idea...but it's like the barn doors closing after the horses have run out. lol

Honestly, I really think based on personal experience that one has to be something of a masochist to be a writer. lol

VivisectedEngineer

Loved the points about David and Sociopathy...I'd say you nailed that one bullseye!!

Wow...

That's a good vid and he finds some really good points to ponder. I NEVER gave even an instant's thought to the little dangly figurine we see by Kane's console in that opening shot with the console activating...

Thanks for posting about this!!!!

BigDave

OH, okay, I'm back-on-track topic wise...kinda lost my footing for a bit.

Engineers and What Else & Other Things...

Ponder this...the Engineers might just have rivals...civilizations they cultured and brought about long ago that might be challenging them for supremacy, attempting to supplant them...as do children with regards to their parents.

Possibly, they encountered civilizations as ancient as their own in some of the other galaxies, who have a Different Perspective about how Life is supposed to be created, cultured and such??

Also, maybe Humans are THE rivals to Engineers in our own galaxy, we achieve in mere centuries what must have taken them millenia, and we're violent, dangerous, obstinate as well as xenophobic while also being entirely unwilling to be dictated to by a 'superior power'.

That said...there's question of why there was no follow-up regarding the aborted extermination of Earth, which was planned and prepped--stopped only be the 'accidental?' release of the Black Liquid Pathogen before the ship was launched.

In ORIGINS, I'm trying to give some universe-plausible answers to some of the many excellent points you raised and a good story for people to have a good, solid geek-out on...I seriously doubt I'll be able to do such regarding all your points, but then again--life should always have some mysteries left Unanswered, yes?

BlackAnt

Seen your kind of forum-troll behaviour before, as have we all. Your Progressivist wordplay with PolCorr crap is a script, you don't even get points for 'effort'. 

Actually, your entire 'style' reminds me of another troublemaker from a couple years back...I forget the name, but you sound exactly like that person--just with semi-updated lingo and politiculture terminology.

I've been reading through your posts, and you're abusive, disrespectful, denigrating, abrasive, rude, and utterly lacking in proper forum manners and courtesy.

You came here to attack people and try to browbeat folks into accepting your word as the final one on any issue.

Like I said, around here we've all seen this exact behaviour pattern you've demonstrated in your posts and addressing of other members before...you're just the most recent one to try such here.

Attack my friends on this forum though, in any way that I deem 'serious' and I WILL flag you with the forum owner...count on it, and he's not one to let folks like you get away with too much--consider yourself Warned, duly and properly.

What are my criteria for determining when you step 'over the line'?

Yeah, I'll answer that as soon as you finish serving out ice water with lemon to all the folks in Hell first.

Whew! Looks like a lot's happening around here, since I looked away for a sec. ...Glad to see everyone's as lively as ever. 

Anyways, @dk

"Even humans can fake it to make it. Humans have a pretty robust history of sociopaths. What else could be expected from an android being programmed by another sociopath?"

Ok, yes, I think this is an excellent point. When someone designs a program he cannot avoid his own biases and values influencing his design. 

And sociopaths are a good example. The do not lack any and all emotion, but they do fake emotions that they do not have. 

For example, they act in their own self interests because of their personal desires, their ability to fake consideration for others (when it suits them) is part of what makes them so charismatic. 

This is the case for David. He has his own personal desires and motives but is also good at faking emotions that do not match the ones he's feeling at a given moment. 

BigDave,

"But when we look at the Engineers it would appear that for Many Hundreds of Millions of Years their 

Technology has NOT really Advanced much"

I think it is possible aliens could plateau to a degree; however, I would also just as easily say they just keep right on evolving because their advanced technology such as as sentient AI trillions of times more complex than what we think of in terms of computing power.

In that reply with the two extra terrestrials I was implying that even though they are only 75,000 years apart in technology and advancements the first alien species is inter-galactic and the other alien species is still more humanoid and confined by the limits of a single galaxy they inhabit....the second one is still finding their way around their local neighborhood.

Inter-galactic in real time implies so many things technologically. First it implies real time communication with distances that are billions of light years away from every subatomic particle from where you are at right now, and not a 50,000 thousand light years in only one galaxy.

In other words I am estimating that an alien civilization just 100,000 years more advanced than us right now would have everything at the subatomic level, that we consider the Big Bang, mapped in real time in a database, in real time, every single second.

Human computing power after the next 5000 years of human evolution cannot be extrapolated - perhaps computers with 10^1000000000000^10000000000000000^10000000000000000000000000000 bits per second and it would just keep expanding exponentially, through that scientific notation every single second. These would only be Qubit computers in quantum entanglement...not higgs field computers. 

BigDave there are only about 10^64 known particles in what we consider the BIG BANG! NOT 10^1000000000000000000000 OK - and that would be based on a higgs field computer just 100 - 500 years from now. Those are really Big numbers....higgs field machines are very powerful so powerful in fact they can simulate entire universes....please watch the show DEVS.....

"In the Many Worlds or Everett interpretation, both possibilities continue to exist, but "we" (the macroscopic observers) are split into two, one that observes a live cat and one that observes a dead one. ... But these two new ones go explicitly for the "multiverse = many-worlds"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

Inter-galactic and inter-dimensional implies "multiverse" an astounding amount of advancements beyond our own human computers; but, nothing compared to a billion years of sentient AI mixed with biology....I believe the scene in Prometheus is the engineers seeding all life on earth at least 1 billion years prior?

What I find more complex and interesting, even though the science about the engineers is obviously depicted incorrectly, is that the engineers would have any need to do such things on an inter-galactic scale... or even in a simulation or otherwise?

Might be like playing the same game over and over for hundreds of millions of years....obviously we have to have concepts the audience can relate to in the Alien films....this discussion is just for the forum's edification.

In other words you would not take your microscope and go to the other side of the planet to identify and classify another piece of sand. It would be a waste of your time in terms of your thinking, resources, and comprehension about science in general.

What may ultimately happen to us and these other more evolved aliens is that they go inward and not outward farther and farther....but we really do not know what is out there several trillion light years from us...the physics could be wildly different and so could the life forms that inhabit those other dimensions, Inter-dimensional, is interesting because it implies simulated computational advanced computing. Lets say for example you had a computer a few million years more advanced than the computers you have now and you have simulated even more advanced universes that are trillions as times as large, and real in every detail...but they only exist in the computer program simulating them....DNA just become irrelevant or does it?

There is no way to tell that what the engineers are doing depicted in these movies is not just a simulation.....in other words they are just interacting with us as a purely fictional aspect of their computers projecting us.....similar to a video game but absolutely real in every way down the every simulated electrons......

Also I would say that it might be impossible to stay the same for very long periods of time in an infinite universe. Change is always happening through out eternity.

The more likely scenario is that things progress faster and faster exponentially the more you comprehend.

With respect to DNA sure it could be evolved for a few hundred, perhaps even a few more thousand years....but why would want to do that when you have computers that can manipulate the higgs field and make what ever you want when ever you want how ever you want trillions of times as fast and more complex for eternity.

Thought_Dreams, you are doing the very same thing to me right now...and I would ask that you just stop it as well...please reread the comments you posted before you judge me any more....enough!!

Did I not say I have nothing against you....then be done with it please....and that will be all. Unless every time I post something you will say something negative that is not true that you are doing yourself and many others.

Whether I post a funny info graphic or not is not badgering you or anyone else...or being a troll...I do not post endless negative comments here that are offensive to everyone and you know that to be not true...so please end your negative behavior.

@Thoughts_Dreams

I certainly think that the Franchise should-not revolve around A.I too much.... when we looked at ALIEN and the Franchise as so we had seen enough of Ripley, Xenomorphs, you do NEED other Humans... maybe you could explore A.I but certainly NOT to be the Emphasis of it.

It was then about going to Cover the Origins of the Xenomorph and also more so WHO the Space Jockey was.

The PLOT they went with was to NOT make this Species as ALIEN, but to bring about the Creators Plot....and Connected Themes.... and so this Expanded to WHAT is a Creation, WHY would you Create?  WHAT happens when your Creation becomes Sentient and wishes to NOT serve the Creator.

This theme was a CAKE of Layers or a LADDER with Runs where the Latest Layer/Run was DAVID...

so it Evolved to were we are Supposed to look at these Themes in Context to the Last Incarnation of Creation which was David.... and so i think Ridley Scott was getting us to Question... WHAT IS CREATION and WHY?

And so to Suggest that DOES a Creation that can become Intelligent/Sentient have to be BIOLOGICAL?

But this seemed to put the Emphasis too much on David and his Character became something that some are NOT Happy with..  I think the MAIN thing is when looking Beyond Mankind and Beyond ALIEN...  then it should be about the SPACE JOCKEY...  should be about WHO they are and WHY they Created and WHO created them..

Rather than to have it about David and WHY he was Created and WHAT he will Create.

I think its Interesting.... but before such a PLOT was Given... i think the Emphasis should have been on the Layers of the Cake that are ABOVE ourselves and NOT about what came AFTER and from us.

While David is the Proxy to the Cautionary Tale of Sub-Creation, Rebellion i think its too much about HIM.  I think we can Safely Assume this TALE would END with David being Upended by something that HE had Created and tried to RULE over that becomes Sentient and Rebels.

Where as WHEN you looked back at ALIEN and your like ok so we have seen a LOT of the Xenomorph, and ONCE you answer to WHERE they came from.... then it HAD to be about the Space Jockey.... as they are the Engineers then it should be about WHO ARE THEY?  And WHAT ELSE have they Created and WHO Created them.

@Blackwinter-witch

Certainly is a Great Point about the Void of Space the Loneliness of Space.   This is Part of the Horror in that you could be someone in SPACE and things DONT go to Plan or you Encounter a Horror...

So that you are so Isolated that by the Time anyone hears your SCREAMS (gets your SOS) it would take them a LONG TIME to come to your AID....  This is what makes things more Terrifying.

So absolutely with Star Trek and Star Wars we have Species (quite a lot) that have FTL Travel that is SO BEYOND what Humans from Earth have....    So i think that YES for the ALIEN Franchise you dont want anything like "Oh HELP we have encountered Alien Species on LV-426"  then "we will get to you ASP but its gonna take us a Day to get there"

So i think you dont want to have Human Technology to Advanced, in Star Trek and Star Wars we do see them able to Traverse the Galaxy really Fast (Especially Star Wars)  and so being able to like Travel to say LV-426 in even Hours would take away some of the Horror of being Stranded Far from Home.

When i am talking about the  Engineers though and looking at WHAT else they have Created, i am not really looking at it as being in Terms of HOW our Species can Reach them.

So i am looking at Interactions between Species and Conflicts in the FAR reaches of the Galaxy that are Beyond what Weyland-Yutani could Dream of Reaching in 2122-2179

I think this brings us to a PROBLEM that was Faced with a Prometheus 2.... you need Humans to help with the Plot/Story and having just Dr Shaw would simply be enough and so HOW do you get more Humans?  This is where i FEEL that Planet 4 was made too Close to Earth for the Convenience of the Covenant Mission.

But then it comes down to this QUESTION?

Is the Earth the only Place the Engineers had Humans?

so when i was working on ideas that would be Prometheus 3 then David and Dr Shaw did arrive at a World.. a World that had HUMANS... a World that was HOWEVER... over 10'000 Light Years away.  But it could have been 25'000 or 50'000 LY.

So you have Humans, you are at a World that would NOT have to Conflict with the Alien Franchise... but then its HOW do you Communicate with these Humans... well i had ways around that ;)

So what i am saying is like Star Wars... that had Humans but in a Galaxy FAR FAR Away.... that could apply to the Engineers and Worlds they Seed/Evolve...  But i agree to NOT make it so much like Star Wars.... so it was more like the BSG Plot with Caprica for example.

So what i mean is when looking at other Humans and other Species then the ALIEN Franchise could look at these as being FAR FAR from Earth and so NO interaction with our Humanity.  Unless its after the events of Aliens/Alien 3.

I do think However that the Real Advanced Technology should be Limited to a Few who are Connected to, Predate or Descend from the Engineers.  So that any other Species that are say 10'000+ Light Years away have NO knowledge of Earth and NO way to reach Earth in say Less than Hundreds of Years.

so that we have a Expanded Franchise within the ALIEN Universe by Virtue of the Engineers Plot... and NOT having anything that Directly Ties and interacts with the W-Y Company and Earth.

Because on thing to CONSIDER when expanding on the Engineers has to be the Consequences to the Plot for the ALIEN Franchise as in W-Y/USM in the Time-line of 2122-2379 by that introducing say Returning Engineers to our PART of the Galaxy could Conflict with the Original Franchise...  So any kind of WAR OF THE WORLDS would certainly be a Conflict... Unless RS was planning on REBOOT everything after ALIEN ;)

Thanks for the Reply ;)

I was looking at this Topic as far as Multiple ways to look at it, some as far as say Human Advancements in 100, 200, 500 Years.  And  then looking at Engineers as in Thousands of Years.  Lets say what could we be like in 5-10 Thousand Years.

I think when we are talking the ENGINEERS as far as the Back Ground then i do agree you make Great Points about if this Species are even say 500 Million Years more Advanced than us then they should have Technology and Appear to us Beyond what we can Comprehend.

The Original Idea of the Engineers did seem to imply this Species have to be over a Billion Years Old, the Sacrificial Scene if we take it that this (even though may not be on Earth) is what they had been doing to Earth in the Past would mean the Engineers had the Technology we saw in the Sacrificial Scene like Over 500 Million Years at Least.... likely it could also be Over 1 Billion.

So i think in Context to the Point you are raising, then any Ancient Species that have Existed and have been Technologically Beyond what we have NOW for say Hundreds of Millions of Years... would be BEYOND what we would Comprehend.

But when we look at the Engineers it would appear that for Many Hundreds of Millions of Years their Technology has NOT really Advanced much... 

Do Ancient Species reach a Certain Level and then they Advance No Further?  Is this because they HIT a Technological Wall?  Or by Choice?

So i guess what i am saying is that the Engineers dont appear to really be as ADVANCED as you would expect for a Race that have had such Technology we have seen in Prometheus for 500M+ Years never mind Billions.

I think you raise some interesting points when you show images of GREY ALIENS.... IF we assume such a Thing is Real....  then its a case of WHEN and COULD we Advance to that Level in the Future?

Evolution is a Product of its Environment and Survival... to Naturally Evolve to such Radical Changes as far as Appearance could take Millions of Years.

But when we are talking about a Engineered Evolution then thats when things can get Fast Tracked.... so a Human Species that Evolves its Technology and Genetics could INDEED look Very Very Different in say 25-50 Thousand Years... Never mind Hundreds of Thousands.

So i think if we looked at the Engineers as a Race who have Knowledge and Technology to Traverse to Galaxies, and have been able to Travel around our Galaxy for Hundreds of Millions of Years at a Minimum.   Then i think in Reality it would be HARD to believe they would LOOK so Human.

some of the Concept Ideas for the Engineers made them appear FAR from Human looking.

I guess the Human Appearance was Necessary in order to allow them to be Connected to and WHO are behind the Religions and Mythos of the ANCIENT GODS... who appear to be Very Human looking.

BlackAnt

When you're being rude, sarcastic and childish that is when people dislike you, do you see that? If they tell you that you're a troll I'm not surprised. A troll is someone that tries:

". . . to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll

Which is a big part of what you are doing on this forum. If you can't see how that fits your behavior here then try again. There are comments that you have done in this thread that back up my claims so there is no need to go far back to get proof.

The Who are you people kind of picture goes under the irrelevant and offensive comments because it is belittling people because it comes off like you are worth more than them for what ever reason. Be a part of the discussions if you want but drop the offensive attitude.

Exactly wrong though.....Thought_Dreams, everyone has their gripes is all I am saying...and for the most part everyone gets along great! 

But when people just start calling each other Trolls or other expletives, which, I do not do....I never swear at any one or ever call them a troll! or ever try to cancel anyone on here ever!!! never!

I have never suggested ever at any time that anyone should leave the chat because of what they said...it's always been about the discussion of it! always.

I have nothing against you Thought_Dreams nothing....but everyone says stuff they do not like about each others comments or this franchise and it is not always pretty LOL and you know it! 

"NO MORE CANCEL CULTURE! GET OVER IT PLEASE AND IF YOU CANNOT TOO BAD!"

To me that reads like: I want to be able to be childish and offensive if I want and if you don't like it F you. Why does that make me think of a certain politician? ;)

"I can take criticism constructive or not seems like there are some people who cannot."

Without being childish and throwing insults? Try it

Seriously Thought_Dreams????

We could all go back and look at everything that everyone posted that everyone does not like...who cares. 

NO MORE CANCEL CULTURE! Relax and enjoy.

Hey Thought_Dreams you remember this.....

"Unfortunately I do not trust Scott with another movie, it would probably be more David. Give it to someone that understands that it is not about androids and that is about human characters above anything else. Once you understand the importance of

characters in the genre (which Scott doesn’t it seems),

only then I think will it become a good horror movie but until that day comes we (the audience) are screwed."

You just insulted RIDLEY SCOTT!!!!! YOU TRIED TO CANCEL RIDELY SCOTT!!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE MOVIES BETTER THAN RIDLEY SCOTT AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU DO NOT LIKE THE WAY I SAID SOMETHING IN A FUNNY WAY IN A FEW OF THESE POSTS!!!! 

YOU RECALL THIS ONE......

"Sorry but I do not want David as a main-character, it is boring and I am tired of it. Not interested in Daniels or Tennessee since none of them have any personality that I can see at least (not like Ripley, 85, Morse, Bishop, or Burke, for example). If someone can explain to me in a way that makes sense of how they are as characters then please try but I can not say that because they are like blank slates, crappy

I do not give a single shit about that, sorry if this comes off as harsh but it is my honest opinion. 

No thanks, I do not want a movie like that. They can forget my money if so. Hopefully someone at Disney or whatever they are named will tell them that it is a bad idea and put a stop to the crap that we have now.

You SEE THOUGHT_DREAMS....you said some vulgar things about Ridley Scott....you inferred Disney makes "CRAP."

I am sure some department at Disney if they new half the things that were said here they would think twice about advertising here in any way.

Disney being crap is your words not mine....ok so if you want the posts, and there are a lot more, from just about everyone....then we can go there then if we must and I agree with you but you still still want to come at me......

This is not the first time either you said a lot of stuff......and everyone else has too! 

"LETO

BigDave

"Stop it NOW! You are totally obsessed with your "fanboys, queens and Ripley" hate in ALL treads. And "xenomorph", of course"

Leto just told BigDave he "hates" him basically....

Look I enjoy hanging out here and posting just like everyone else; but, please do not be a hypocrite....

BD

About David downloading his own programming into the system. I don’t like that idea at all since it gives him too much of an importance. Sure there are things that are interesting in the franchise but to do that would be to hijack it to push an AI centered agenda on us, which would be like “nope this isn’t about humans anymore, it is about AI (since, I Scott want it to be that way)”.

I understand that Scott is interested in it but it really becomes ridiculous to me since I refuse to let this franchise with all its interesting ideas, like corporate greed, human interest that can become dangerous, and so on, be reduced to be about AI, robotics, and similar things. Honestly it would become fucking boring (sorry about the swearing but I am disappointed with how the prequels have turned out). Not to say that Scott is responsible for some conspiracy but his ideas and obsession with David doesn’t make it better.

To let David go on and infuse his programing into Ash would be silly since it becomes even more about him. Some people might like it, I don’t but if that would have been the end game so to speak then let the alien movies hibernate for a while until someone gets an interesting idea, someone that understands the importance of human characters.

"When looking at the OT.... its a Question of can we MAKE the Franchise Great again... YET go and Ignore the Prequels..."

Thanks for reminding me, I think that discussions can take different turns and sometimes develop into other things so thanks for bringing it back to that. I think that to introduce different and more alien lifeforms could be a thing, alien as in unknown. Having new rivalizing organisations among humans could be one thing which would emphasize that this is about the human adventure, not androids, not monsters. What they would fight about is up to someone else to decide.

DK: I also think that it depends on how important it is to the story if it's worth to think about. Take for example what happened to Dallas, he went down into the air-ducts and got caught by the Xeno. We didn't see what happened to him but still that's a detail that's important since he was the captain so they lost their leadership. Bishop got that injury and it shows that he was an android but that doesn't affect the story as much, he would still be an android and do what he did no matter if he got injured or not. Maybe Ripley would find out sooner or later that he wasn't a human anyways.

"Sometimes anticipation and speculation is better than the main event."

I agree, maybe that has been the case with what ever alien related movie after Alien 3. Initially I just wrote Covenant but it could maybe be argued that it would apply to any movie after Alien 3 even though I'm not sure.

Blackwinter-witch

Maybe that is a good thing when you try to write, to have it make as much sense as possible. Wouldn't there be a risk that it would take too long to get finished if you get stuck too much in details? To try and make things as good as possible is fine and is something that is worth to strive for but you got to finish things too. It kind of depends on what it's about both when it comes to writing and life in general, at least that's how I look at it.

BlackAnt

Sorry but I don't see how those images bring anything of interest to this topic.

You wrote:

"Lets all be civil and respect each other Blackwinter-witch."

You end your post with an image that doesn't signal respect for other people both the Kalvin and Hobbes image and the Family Guy thing. Can you see the contradiction in that? Like DK I could go back and look up quotes from you that I would call sort of aggressive and a lack of respect for other peoples opinions but I am a lazy bastard and I think that DK did a good job there, the difference is probably that I would have linked to the pages.

Oh DK not you too....

All jokes of course.........and very funny stuff posted with it....DK thank you for wasting all that time.....we could have been discussing these movies instead of cancel culture issues...I think you are doing it too now taking things too seriously! Relax....enjoy....time is too short for real hostility.
Calling someone delusional is different depending on if they are being ridiculous to the point of them giving you a hard time....you trying your best to give me a hard time DK...go ahead waste your time....DK I have nothing against you and you know it....ok but I do not do childish either...so please just drop it.....you can tell a joke obviously from real serious put downs...OK! and if you cannot that is your problem not mine...discuss this civilly make jokes its all good.....but please drop the I am better than you routine and will now cancel you stuff - that is childish kids stuff DK.

BlackAnt : Quoutes from you:

Lets all be civil and respect each other

 you started this take these kids to school I am going back to bed I cannot stand this anymore!!!!

 have this unnecessary delusion; but, I think we can correct it sufficiently enough so that these conditions do not confuse the both of you too much longer.

 there is this pervasive confusion on your part and hox's where you both still have this delusion of morality about these synthetics

I know you two are fixated on these delusional ideas rooted in speculation and not facts.

Ahhhhhhh so glad you are here to tell us these things professor!

This is a pretty small sample. I fail to see the civility. Please clarify.

BigDave

I think we have touched on this topic in previous posts. In context of all these movies in this franchise....I am not sure if your question can really be answered correctly or sufficiently. 

The premise that the engineers have technology that is a few billion years more advanced than the past 100 years of our current technology, portrayed in the films, means there is a fundamental flaw with trying to compare what might be possible when considering what may or may not be possible with anything that we can relate to in pure scientific terms.

A possible analogy may be what does an earth microbe really think about human beings related and what might be possible with their human technology....the question becomes impossible to examine further for obvious reasons....sorry my friend it's just not possible for the microbe to consider such things about the other larger organisms around them. In simpler terms microbes are not equipped and more importantly evolved enough to do such tasks nor do they have the tools to do such evolved thinking.

To quote you further, you stated "I wanted to discus the Advancements of Technology/Genetics to the point of becoming more Godlike.... But only mainly as far as Speculative when it comes down to Mankind... but Certainly to Discus the Advancements of the Engineers."

When we, as in the human race measures anything, or does anything of scientific nature we must have the correct tools first to analyse that with which we are trying to study.

So I just do not believe it is possible to really study a 4 - 5 billion year old alien civilization with the limited knowledge that humanity currently posses. In fact I would go so far as to say that this is such a ridiculous plot defect that it really can detract from watching anything in these movies in any real meaningful way. 

Obviously any alien species only ten thousand years more advanced, if you could define them in that way as humanoid, would have much more advance technology than what we see in the these movies....to the degree that they are inter-dimensional....their computers and machines are so evolved they operate many trillions of times faster than what we understand as current state of the art.

For example, how would you compare early human stone age tools to the rovers we sent to Mars? And doing so from the perspective of early humans with those same stone age tools....thus,

Please examine this artwork....I do not know who the artist is; however, I would like to point out some things that may help further in your study and investigation of extra terrestrials and inter-dimensional begins.

I estimate this one to be only a 100,000 years more advanced than current human beings. NOT four BILLION. 

This one artistically is quite extraordinary just for the simple fact that the surface layers of the "skin?" may not be comparable to human flesh in any way we understand through biology or current bio chemistry. In other words the body itself may be of another hybrid material at the boundaries of the Plank scale and come in and out of our assistance through the Higgs model and we see energy states that from the impression of a steady state field, and even then its still trillions times more complex.

It may have quarks interacting but then when it goes much fast than the speed of light it changes the composition of its body so it can travel as another from of energy state, while bending space around it.

It's mind would have to of a hybrid nature of some kind as well, and not definable in any way that we can conceptualize...we do not have the words for it????? If that makes sense to you.

I think "it" is more similar to a very advanced computer/hybrid and then manipulating a much faster construct to have sentience.

Our ideas about DNA would be irreverent, while it maintains a firm understanding of it's immortality...it can understand and perceive things inter - galactically in real time...where as we are only now seeing the light in our crude space telescopes from galaxies a few billion years ago. We know nowthing about these galaxies except what we see from the star light of the past, whereas it has current information beyond all the fundamental forces of our understanding of physics?...it can travel a few billion light years instantly and actually go to those places we can only look at terrestrially from the confine of our planetary surface....it can perceive and experiences "pleasure" trillions of times as strong as we do or it might decide to deliver punishment and war equally as dangerous to what we conceptualize as a sentient species.

This idea of another type of connectedness is instantly relative and consequential with immediate repercussions.

Here is another one that more humanoid in form...maybe this one is only 25,000 years more advanced.

In these movies the writers portray the engineers as several billion years more advanced....what I showed you here through this art may only be several hundred thousand and not several billion.

Lets all be civil and respect each other Blackwinter-witch. Instead of trying to cancel anyone why not try to resolve your differences with your intellect.....if you have something to say about an Alien related topic by all means I want to hear it; however, I never once tried to cancel anyone....and I could care less obviously about petty politics.

I am here to have fun and enjoy the forum just like everyone else. Unless you feel like being prejudicial against me for the color of my skin, my sexual orientation, my age, and the rest of it I would ask that you be more inclusive as well and refrain from trying to exclude anyone out because they have a different point of view from your own....are you the only one that is allowed an opinion on here? I do not think so....please allow me the courtesy of addressing this issue now and resolving it and lets please be done with this....I know you have your reasons what ever they may be for not liking me and that is fine.....but please do not think you are better than anyone else here. Enjoy Winter.......Oh by the the way I never called you a "Troll" either so please stop doing that to me and do not call me such things again. 

There is a section of dialogue in the old movie Demon Seed that I have always particularly loved this movie for...

It is Unique, in it's meaning and what it says, and it's message of hope for the future of mankind.

Quote from Proteus IV-

"Susan...
... you told me you were afraid I was
creating a half-human computer...
... to supersede human beings.
The being you have given birth to
is Human, Susan...
... and it will supersede computers."

BigDave

Unfortunately I spoke to soon and this pest is still around.

BlackAnt

Obviously you're only here to be a troll and not engage with people here in any other way aside from being a petty, narcissistic, insulting, thin-skinned annoyance.

You should leave, this isn't the place for you.

BigDave

The Film Theory Of Everything

Really good points, and after thinking things through to make sure I understand, I do agree with you.

One element I think the ALIEN universe needs to make sure they do not lose and need to re-affirm is that SPACE IS BIG and while 40 Light years might seem small...it is in face a HUGE distance, and Out There you are absolutely and entirely On Your Own.

If, say, in ALIENS they had said '17 weeks' instead of 17 days' regarding when they'd be declared overdue/expect a rescue ship, etc. that would have Made Space Big Again.

It's far too easy to 'compress' interstellar distances and give the illusion of 'false proximity', and also that damages things...EG; Star Trek Into Darkness it took about 30 seconds for Enterprise to warp from the Klingon home system to close proximity of Earth's Moon.

Star Wars...I can't comment, that universe is BUILT on Conveniently-Fast FtL. lol

But ALIEN...first Movie, Primary Canon...it was going to take Nostromo 10 MONTHS to get from Zeta II Reticuli to Sol/Earth. That kind of FtL Makes Space Big...and empthy, and Scary due to how absolutely Alone you are in the Lonely Dark.

As a final point, the opening credits of ALIEN...the slow crawl past the Dark Planet...to me that simple scene, that music so Perfectly sums the distances and scale of interstellar travel in ALIEN, as well as the Absolute Feel and Essence of the universe.

Hey, BigDave...

"When you look at the Worlds and Races that are involved with Star Wars and Star Trek then the Engineers Plot does open up the ALIEN Franchise to have as Many if NOT even More Races/Worlds than Star Wars and Star Trek."

Remember You said to Me once a long time ago that in Prometheus, all those "star systems" in the pilot chamber orbiting around David as He stood there watching were not star systems at-all but in fact whole GALACTIC SYSTEMS spreading out throughout the universe... That they perhaps obviously must have visited already otherwise how would they have come by the information now stored in their ships data banks? Maybe they sent automated probes many generations before to collect information on the universe as We have sent out space probes to explore the solar system...

The things we must endure.......LOL!!!!

Enjoy!