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I agree with Thoughts_Dreams regarding androids to the extent that the prequels focused too much on that aspect. I do think they were well balanced in the Quadrilogy though.

Raised by Wolves seems different though. It's up front on exploring androids raising humans and the philosophical questions that come up. That is the basic premise and I could enjoy it for what it is. That is just where RS wants to go and that is fine- I just don't want to see it as the major theme in the Alien universe. 

The very idea of watching androids raising humans itself is fascinating. There was a good little movie on Netflix called I am Mother that did just that. It's worth a watch. If some call it derivative, well, a lot of movies are that way- it doesn't mean they can't be good.

A little OT- what would be original, and as far as I know it has not ever been done, would have the most advanced AI available right now to write a sci fi story. Even then, it would technically be derivative since the AI would need examples of sci fi and literature from which to draw and some of those stories' elements would surely pop up in the AI's story.

Androids exist in this missions to solve a real problem of Space travel. You need someone to fly the ship, make repairs, etc., someone that doesn´t gets tired, doesn't sleep and stays always sharp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrIXM50lzaI

Many many thanks for those who diverted to the link. It is always exciting to see people from all over the world connect. China and the United States always come up but Malaysia and Mexico are new. 

One of the consequences of writing the book has been to look at material associated with the broader Promethean Tradition and see how close the movie was to that tradition. 

Since 2018 I have read the 1818 Text of Dr Frankenstein, considered various thesis written and looked hard at the Documentary. Two scenes come back to me time and again as being key.

1) The Holographic speech of Peter Weyland.

2) The four-way interaction between Elizabeth, the Dark Angel and then Weyland and David's intervention.

Why are we here, what is soul, the attempt to deny death, why did you make me and then want to destroy me. What have I done wrong? 

The difference between The Modern Prometheus and Movie Prometheus is David and he enables us to enlarge the question and consider comparatively what is existence and its subtext (do androids dream). 

This is the point at which to formally identify another concept of my work. Bardo or Intermediation. In Tibetan philosophy it is the state beyond life and before the next life.

From the very beginning, even when the story was quite different, two characters were in the Bardo, in the intermediation. But there is a broader way to look at it.

My work is split into two at the point that the Prometheus slams into the Juggernaut destined for the earth we leave Elizabeth considering the meaning of the two craft and their occupants. We begin Part 2 when she realises she has survived or has she? Different readers have suggested at different points she has 'died'. All are valid viewpoints. But they depend on your view of life, death and the soul. My work is proposing that those are not the gatekeepers to the truth and once you consider the distinctions of the imagined world then the answers to those questions are irrelevant.   

An even broader interpretation is if you take the matter of the Waterfall Incident and then consider the final visual in Ridley's Scott's short Hennessay advert (The Gathering In) you could consider everything is in the Bardo. The Lone Figure dies and all that he is passes with death into Intermediation until the story ends, until the soul comes back to us.

We live in a world where people live and they die. This is a world where people live as a consequence of someone 'dying.' 

The smaller question is would Bardo be relevant to a Movie which would have ended with David and Elizabeth reaching Paradise. Given that the subject was raised recently by Damon Lindelof to explain one of his other works it might have been.

I do believe though once Damon Lindelof saw how his attempt to fashion a separate story away from ALIEN was becoming anchored in a purely Alien conversation (Badass robots, nastier monsters, make Shaw vigilante) that such matters were to excuse the pun 'dead' from the moment he moved on. 

Thanks again for everyone's interest and in particular those who have fed me related matters. During Lockdown in New Zealand, I wrote a second book connected to the Star Trek Enterprise Series.

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My next work will be entirely my own but I have enjoyed the apprenticeship and found myself going back to the text of Furious Gods this last month and once again finding more of the story.   

My initial reaction to this production overall is very apprehensive. I enjoy great art and film; however, this is just more derivative time wasting chicken head BS!

This appears to be just another cheap entertainment fast food meal that leaves you feeling ultimately unsatisfied. 

With the dysfunctional populations that will watch this I am certain it will have all the fast paced attention deficit jump cut nonsense with just enough special effects to delight the intellectually inept.

Incredible Art has always been as much about conveying beauty, tragedy, love, war, and all the things of the human condition that compels us hopefully to a more complex understanding about the relationships we have with everything around us through viewing these works.
We all understand Ridley Scott’s various other works where he has introduced many different relationships between humans and androids over the last few decades.

I enjoy a lot of his art work with respect to these themes. Just by looking at the few clips that I saw of this new AI and human subject matter I think it does not look so good at all.
The costumes look cheap. There are large plastic set pieces with blinking lights, high tech monitors, with some green screen of the mysterious planet in the background….SO WHAT….after you have seen a few of these I no longer care how he dresses it up and makes it a little bit slicker for the tv people that need to do something with their time.

Like I said I want real things not this derivative attention deficit jump cut shiny nonsense. I could take the time and cite other more interesting works that are worthy of everyone’s time; but, I won’t cause I do not care for the snapper fish head replies.

So I baited the hook obviously, and I see the fish jumping out of the water around the boat LOL! Let’s see what happens.

Generally I hold all reservations, even when watching a trailer….people when they put out a real shot trailer it usually means click bait….to get those snapper heads clicking that remote to watch nothing but some fast nonsense…..we shall see though.

I think I can save you all some valuable time and effort. Just watch these two clips instead....enjoy!

Thanks for the answer. For me - Alien Universe's robots/androids is the same people, but with synthetics instead of meat inside.

>>>When they start to focus on robots or when the characters are lame that is when I'm losing interest.

I would put "and" instead "or". Indeed, sometimes the writing of human characters is lame. But this is not the fault of the androids as such. I am more than sure that if there were no androids in Prometheus and Covenant - human characters would still be written as they were. It looks like it was a plot angle...

>>>What I meant was that the focus, what the story should be about should be humans that get into situations that they are not well equipped neither materially or mentally to handle.

It seems that all 6 films work so. It doesn't look like this could change.

>>>They had it on the screen as much as it was needed to show us the human adventure, that's how I look at it.

That's right. That's why I'm surprised. I want to say that we did not have a single anti-example.

P.S. I'm only talking about xeno, excluding androids.

P.P.S. OK, we have already seen people as protagonists. We already seen androids as protagonists. Maybe it's time to make Xeno the protagonist?

DK: Aliens did that enough, I am not sure if it is necessary to show more about it. The prequels demystified the Xeno enough so there is a risk that they will destroy Hadley's Hope if they make a movie about it.

Leto

Yes, if you look at Alien you see that a lot of the time is spent on building up the story before they get to the derelict and Kane gets face-hugged. When they get back from the derelict you don't see the monster action a lot compared to the rest. It is using the darkness to hide itself which is the reason why it is so scary when Brett is looking for Jonesy and the creature gets up from behind of him. What you see are humans and how they discuss how they shall kill it and fail and try and they get stressed out and afraid. The monster has very little screen time even though its presence is felt by how they react. Really you could replace the monster even though the Xeno has been tied to the franchise and have another monster and the movie could be very much the same because the theme is the same, namely humans that get put into situations that they are poorly prepared to handle.

Alien 3 didn't have that much time devoted to the monster either. Aliens and AR had fairly much time devoted to them even though the focus were on the humans. The difference is that the human characters worked in Aliens while they were mostly crap in AR, sorry to be blunt but that is my opinion.

"Otherwise, I just don't understand what kind of "focus" we are talking about."

Maybe I wasn't clear enough and if so it was my mistake. What I meant was that the focus, what the story should be about should be humans that get into situations that they are not well equipped neither materially or mentally to handle.

"It doesn't seem like Xeno is suppressing character development or eating up their screen time."

They had it on the screen as much as it was needed to show us the human adventure, that's how I look at it.

Leto: Thanks for asking so I can explain it. I've always been interested in the human thing. In Alien it was human corruption in the form of the company, in Aliens it was that they thought that they could eradicate the monsters with guns, in Alien 3 it was about how humans try to find redemption when they've done horrible things. My interest in the Alien franchise and movies in general has always been the human adventure and maybe Alien Covenant is the reason to why I started to think about it. Yes we had Ash and Bishop that were well done but they're not what the movies were about. When they start to focus on robots or when the characters are lame that's when I'm losing interest.

I don't understand the bias against robots. It doesn't matter on the screen - it all depends on the quality of the role writing.

Thoughts_Dreams

Interesting. Please, explain - are you saying that the franchise is not about monsters, but about people? Alien shouldn't be the focus, right?

I don't quite understand what you mean and how much screen time you want for the Alien. Does your words mean that there was too much time for Xeno in Alien Quadrilogy?

How much Xeno was in Alien? Aliens? Even Alien 3? AR?

Do we need to reduce the screen time of Aliens in these films?

>>>Having them as a part of it is fine but they should not be the focus.

Otherwise, I just don't understand what kind of "focus" we are talking about. From my point of view, none of the six films crowded out people in favor of monsters.

And the monster was in focus for as long as it was supposed to be. It doesn't seem like Xeno is suppressing character development or eating up their screen time.

Technically, there is no evidence that Planet 4 is the homeworld of the Engineers.

Technically, there is also no evidence that the Engineers from Planet 4 are ... Engineers, but not just another humanoids who live in another colony/seeded world.

It may well be that Origae-6 may be the homeworld (or abandoned homeworld) of the Engineers. It will be curious if this is a world infected by Aliens. And It will be also curious if David meets the "classic" Alien.

For the purity of the plot, he will find not a living, but a dead or inactive Alien. And then he decides to return with a load of ovomorphs to LV-223. But will crash on LV-426. Of course, Origae-6 may have sleeping Engineers or even Space Jockeys.

Oh, more robot shit. Not personally aimed at anyone here

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Wow, thanks, setaverde.

I have to watch this.

Visuals are great by the pics and it's made after a book, so story and screenplay should be good. 

Thank you Sir Ridley Scott for this gift!

Disney, have a look and learn.

 Keep it up, BigDave!

All the way to Origae-6!

Sorry but I can't help but to think about the arena scene in Star Wars 2 (Attack of the Clones) where there is a monster that has a horn like a rhino.

BD

Having it being run by AI I something that I am totally against. It would make sense the way you put it but to me it would be to reduce the franchise to AI and robots. That would make me so grumpy because to me that would destroy the franchise if that is the way that it will end up.

"... i think RS ideas are DONE as far as the Franchise."

If that means the end to the robot story then good, if that means that we will not see any more about the engineers it's bad. My reaction to this depends on what we will get. No matter if you support the robot tale or not what we can surely say is that the fans of the franchise are divided about this. Hopefully they will understand that they can elaborate on the Engineers because it is new and is something that is not Ripley or the Xeno. Try to expand on new things in the franchise, the Engineers was a good addition so I don't think that it is impossible to make something new that we haven't seen.

The monsters are not what the franchise is about, to me it is more about humans that get into situations that they are not prepared to handle. I hope that Disney knows this if they shall do anything more Alien-related, if they don't understand it then they might as well not do anything with it as far as I am concerned. Even though I am not a huge fan of the prequels even though there are parts of them that I like I would say that I hope that Disney doesn't think that it is about Xenos and understand that characters are important.

Ripleys are done, there has got to be other characters that you can introduce. I don't think that they should feel that they have got to add Ripley's children, grandchildren or what ever. One of the things that the prequels did right was to not have it tied to her. Make characters that work but don't be so obsessed with what came before. As long as they make characters that work then I think that they have solved a huge bit of the problem.

One of the ideas that they had for Alien 3 was to have it on earth, I am very happy that they didn't do that.

".... how many Fans would accept a ALIEN Movie that has NO Xenomorphs?"

They have had different monsters, as long as they have well done characters it would work. The Neomorph looked very well done. Maybe Disney would play safe with the monsters, but I hope that isn't the case. Having them as a part of it is fine but they should not be the focus.

Maybe this could be something, I don't know. I'm kind of worried that this would mean another movie where we would see a lot of David and I'm against that although I'm not against the idea of the Engineers versus humans. The Engineers could eventually have many different weapons such as spaceships, the goo, big guns, and so on, that could be interesting. Perhaps this sounds like an Aliens 2 but I would rather have that than another Covenant. Star wars has space-battles so it could be something like this or at least what we would see could point us into the direction that we could have a battle like that if they would get close to earth even though we would not get a scene like that.

"How FAR would they take their WRATH?"

What if they find that if an android can be that dangerous then they try to figure out who made it and by that the humans are in danger too. What this could mean for mankind is interesting and this also points to the need for human characters, focus on that and less on robots. You mentioned yourself about creation and sub-creation so that means that we need to have the humans there also and not do another Covenant where they were mostly ignored because Scott wasn't interested in it as you can see in the movie. It was almost like he was interested in the androids and thought "oh shit we got to have human characters too" even though that wasn't his primary concern and we got what we got.

David can be in it as much as Ravel and Chance were in Prometheus, at most. He would have a part in it even though it wouldn't be big. I could tolerate this but not more than that about David, but if he would have another big role like in Covenant then I say leave it alone.

Dark Nebula: I like the picture that you attached with the Engineers.

Dark Nebula:

The Goblin shark thing probably has got something to do with the Deacon. Remember how it looked when it cut through the Engineer in Prometheus, it reminded me of a Shark's fin that first got out before we saw the whole monster. I wonder how many that thought of Jaws when they saw that scene.

Yup, he has interesting ideas and is good to have here even though I disagree with some things that he says. Discussing is interesting even though you don't always agree but I think that there is a possibility to find some common ground.

426, LOL!

Maybe it is not an art in this case, but it is an art for sure. meet my new soundtrack for Alien awakening ^^

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Here's the teaser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Vj4tEyhm0

And some photos:

It sounds like it will be a good and thought provoking series. 

I think the Prequels do leave a FEW Problems for sure.

Especially what becomes of Planet 4 and LV-223  at the Time of ALIEN and after.... surely there can be NOTHING that remains?

While the Engineers Plot was Interesting and BOLD... having some ANGRY and ADVANCED SOB's who are intent on Destruction no SOON as they Discover Planet 4... and having these beings being Located on our DOORSTEP (well within 50LY) really causes a Continuity Problem with the Franchise.

But this was the SACRIFICE needed to allow for the AC Plot.

The idea i had for where David and Dr Shaw would go... was like over 10'000 LY away.  The Aftermath of Davids Actions in my Idea would not Impact the Earth until after the EVENTS of Alien Resurrection...   You could have even Pondered that the USM was trying to get the Xenomorph to Protect against the Engineers as THIS is what dealt with them PRIOR.

The Galaxy is HUGE.... we have Barely Scratched the Surface in the ALIEN Franchise.... i think its UNLIKELY the Engineers have only Seeded/Evolved and Taught Civilization on Earth, while they LIVE on Planet 4 and keep their Weapons on LV-223.

I also recall at least 4-5 Galaxies on the Holo-map that David had activated in Prometheus so they are LIKELY out their in other Places... could be they dont Return to certain Worlds very Often...

The Alien 01 The Master Narrative and Alien Genesis/Engineers seem to indicate the Engineers had NO real Malice against their Creations... UNTIL a certain Time they became Concerned, Disappointed and Angry at what we was doing... they LIKELY saw they had to Destroy us out of Fear/Concern of what we could become IF we was left Unchecked.... and likely their Efforts to Change our Ways was MET in a way that PUSHED them to PULL THE PLUG.

The Aftermath i would assume would lead them to GO and Inspect other Worlds they have Humanoids on that are not Watched/Ruled over by Engineers and see HOW they are getting along...

But for Earth its Curtains...

Could they also Ponder having to WIPE OUT other Worlds to be on the SAFE SIDE so that Nothing like what Happened in the Prequels can Happen again?

We can SAFELY Assume that which ever Mission they SEND out to go after David.... will lead to their Downfall...

But ACTUALLY you DONT have to even Follow David to give a Conclusion to the After-math of Planet 4 and the Xenomorph.

David a Creation of the Engineers very OWN Creation (Mankind) has USED the Engineers Bio-Weapon on the Engineers.

A Reversal/Revenge on that could be the Engineers take Davids Creation and USE it on his Creators (Mankind) well they ATTEMPT TOO....

Having them Turn Up at Planet 4 and then THINK...... "Right, you wanna play that Game, how about we take that Little Horror that your Robot Created and we Perfect that and UNLEASH that on your ASS!"

That Teach you Humans to go and PLAY GOD...

They take some Eggs to LV-223... Experiment/Evolve them and Mass Produce them they LOAD UP their Ships... and well WE ALL KNOW what then Happens to ONE of them.

This is how Hudson would deal with little black bugs.

Indeed DK...

Above is from Alien Engineers and it appears the Engineer has Devices that are BEYOND what we could comprehend as a Weapon.  So they could have Technology that would give them SUPERPOWERS to a degree like we see some Superheros use or FORCE POWERS from Star Wars... (Disney would Love this).

The Pitch that Jon Spaights made regarding his Engineers (Alien 01 the Master Narrative) had these Engineers on the VERGE of a Great Evolution to Transcend beyond their Physical Restraints and on to Multi-Dimensional beings.   This would show they have Advanced to a LEVEL where they can Manipulate Space/Time and are on the Verge of even Greater.

Now NONE of this could be Canon anymore... as they could change such a Direction, but it seems the Earlier Ideas was the Engineers Technology was so Powerful it would seem Magical/Godlike.   For example Technology that gives them Powers like say Jean Grey from X-Men. Or Powers more than Darth Sidious.

@BlackAnt, you persist in being stubbornly wrong about so many things that I’m not entirely sure it’s worth giving you a lesson in life. I like the cat videos, though.

Ridley Scott has form in creating androids that do and androids that do not suffer pain. Roy Batty in Blade Runner certainly did; Leon most definitely did not. Not all robots are equal. David is “the closest thing I will ever have to a son,” says Weyland. He is no cheap space trucker synthetic like Ash.

As for what pain actually IS, well, I’ll let you dwell on that. But suffice it to say that any mind worth the name could sense pain with the correct sensory apparatus. Weyland made the mistake of thinking that David has no soul. But he certainly does. And it’s a tortured one at that. He and Walter may well have the fortitude to block out physical pain (we’ve all done it) but it’s a rash person who states that they cannot experience it.

Regarding Earth being in Good Shape by 2179 etc

We simply do-not know HOW-FAR the other Engineer Worlds are away or Worlds they Visit.... so those who Return to Planet 4 may only be SMALL in Number... who knows where they would COME from and HOW LONG it took them to reach Planet 4 from where they Departed.

You would think after they RETURN they would SEND or at least LEAVE some Message to say what they are GOING to do NEXT..... So Eventually then MORE of the Engineers could be Coming... when would that be? 50 Years, 100 Years, 200 Years etc.

To NOT conflict with the Franchise.... then we can ASSUME the Smaller Contingent of Returning Engineers would take more Interest in Seeking Out David or taking his Eggs from Planet 4 to LV-223 to MASS PRODUCE and USE against Humanity...

Ultimately this likely becomes a FOLLY and leads to their Death!

Because surely Mankind can-not WIN a WAR with the Engineers and also NOT without leaving any Mention or Knowledge within the Franchise.  So its UNLIKELY they would make it CLOSE to Earth..... they likely meet their Comeuppance at the Hand of the Xenomorph in some way.

This does-not mean we cant see a Return/Conflict with the Engineers that is SET after the ALIEN Time-Line. Unless this CONFLICT is set FAR FAR away.

Regarding the Earth in 2379..... who knows... i think we have to Consider the Conflicts of Mankind with each other, add to that Synthetics that could have gone Rebellious... and then Autons that had been Created by Synthetics and we could see that MAYBE their are more than Humans on Earth trying to RULE/CONTROL the Planet that leads to CHAOS.

The other way the Prequels and any WAR OF THE WORLDS would NOT affect the Franchise would be IF and its a BIG IF..... that RS would Consider removing ALIENS as Canon... that would NOT sit down well with some Fans and i feel would also be a ERROR.

So WHATEVER the Backlash of the Engineers would be it would seem it had NOT reached Earth.....  We also have to look at LV-223 it could be ideal if this place was GONE by the Time we get to ALIEN.

I would say that the Engineers had weaponry, but maybe not conventional things like we have. After all, they are superior to humans and their weaponry could be biological or just superior intellect. It's ALIEN, yes? Still, it's fun to think of them destroying Earth in a visceral way that only humans could apprecite/fear.

I think the Engineers had reached a STAGE of Evolution on the Technological Level many many MILLIONS of Years ago and so they maybe got to a POINT where they did-not NEED to improve things.

We do-not know IF they Created their Technology from Scratch, we also DONT know where they got the Black Goo/Sacrificial Goo from....  Now Wayne Haag seems to think the Engineers did-not Create their Technology or Bio-Weapons.   This is something that could be Explored or it could be shown that THEY had indeed Created it all.

It seems their Technology is Advanced, Very Advanced, but they have been GIVEN a Massive Head Start over Mankind... maybe they also had been GIVEN a Helping Hand?

They Certainly have Anti-Gravity as shown in The Crossing, they Certainly have BEYOND FTL Travel by Virtue of them having Maps to other Galaxies in their Navigation Systems means that the Vastness of our Galaxy is NOT even the ENDS of where they have been.

Do they have WEAPONS?  Who knows... you would expect a Humanoid Species who have been Around for Hundreds of Millions of Years would have had Weapons at some point.

The Comics showed they had Weapons.. but then the Comics would have likely had the Juggernauts shoot Lasers too...

Now the Earlier Draft to the First Prequel (Alien Engineers) did have these Engineers having Weapons we cant even Perceive something that Sends a Forcewave of Strands through the AIR that can-not been seen that KNOCKS the Socks of those it HITS..

So we can Speculate to what Weapons they have or Dont... and WHO knows what these Weapons would be like.

Maybe ONE thing to Consider is IF you are a Ancient Race of Genetic Space Gardeners who go and Seed/Evolve Life on Worlds and Visit them and Teach them to a Certain Level (say like Mankind was Thousands of Years ago) and you MAKE SURE that these Worlds do-not Evolve Technologically past that LEVEL..

Then do you NEED any Weapons?

You could Create some Horrific Nightmare to Unleash on a Area that would KILL the Pests you wish Eradicated.. Then if that is NOT going to do the JOB... you have the BLACK GOO!

Bows and Arrows would be NO USE to prevent the Onslaught like David had Unleashed from the Heavens.

Now that WEAPON is something that must be USED with HATE and Revenge!  Because if you merely wanted to RESET a World, in doing so KILL the Inhabitants i think that DROPPING down URNS of Sacrificial Goo would Ultimately Kill those Pesky Humans and RESET their Evolution to like STAGE ONE... well Certainly Back quite a bit.

If this is HOW they Operate and the Limits of their Weapons then this is a HUBRIS from Great Arrogance.. because IF/WHEN you come across a Species who have ADVANCED Technology say like the PREDATORS... then the Engineers and the Black Goo may NOT be enough.

This is when it comes down to SUPERIORITY in Terms of SPACE WARFARE.....   Some 1940'/50's Bombers that have NUKES are NOT going to HIT their Target if Intercepted by 5th Generation Stealth Fighters.

But ALAS we dont know to WHAT extent the Engineers have in Context to Space Ships that can Destroy other Space Threats...  we have YET to see any, but we cant RULE that out.

Although it may be an unpopular idea- if anyone even considered it at all, I like the idea that during the Quadrilogy, the Engineers were prepping to destroy Earth and achieved their goal by the end of Resurrection. 

Ha Ha Ha!

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"Alien may not have happened."

Yep. It's clear the Engineers are out of the 'picture' by A L I E N.

Did David actually wipe them out?! ...... Maybe they actually became gods...ascended to a higher type of life... Might be a cool ending.

Awesome!

He's a big reason I stick around these forums.

Here's to 852!

I agree with MonsterZero : 

Earth is the one making androids and sending humans to defile their temples. Earth is the one waging war.

It's the only way to be sure......

But as BigDave said, 

AC is Canon and will SET in Motion events that would lead to ALIEN and Impact the Franchise.

The problem with this seems to be that if the Engineers were successful with their course of action, Alien may not have happened...........unless the Engineers' vengeance was what we saw at the end of Resurrection.

Resurrection ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnmMksVK8pY

Black Ant wrote:

Engineers are..."millions of times more advanced than humans"

I have yet to see that! They seem on par with humans maybe behind.

We've yet to see the Engineers weapons. We don't even know if they created the pathogen or just found it?

They both have FTL. Both can hibernate, transform planets to suit their needs...were not even sure if the Engineers have anti-gravity.

As far as we know Engineers dedicated some tombs and a couple of Juggernauts to their Weapons of Mass Destruction plans.

Humans are using Earth as a testing ground. Blowing off nukes and releasing bioweapons on their own people. Doubt they'll hesitate to unleash their WMD on some pasty aliens.

I'd say humans are far and away the more dangerous species.

Maybe RS can prove me otherwise.

Nite Nite..... Dont let the Bed Bugz Bite ;)

But i will tackle some of the points you raised...

Pain.... this is a Interesting one... Physical Pain i think we can RULE-OUT as you pointed out.  Emotional Pain however is something that Maybe could affect David at least... NOT our Walter i think you could call him a TIN-CAN and he take No Offense.

I think regarding DATA then i am NOT sure the Engineers could Connect with the Technology of Weyland/Synthetics.   But i do FIND it very HARD to believe that the Engineers Technology is NOT based on some form of A.I and Electrical Components.. maybe its NOT the same as we USE... but they Certainly would have some kind of Computing just it may be VERY ALIEN to what we could Consider a Machine and HOW it works.

If the Engineers are Very Similar to us, and they are at least Hundreds of Millions of Years Old, then we have to ask if they had Evolved similar to us Technologically...  NOW the Prometheus Plot would indicate that our Advancement from Cave-Men was in PART thanks to the Engineers teachings.

So what we have to then Consider is its Possible the Engineers had Technology maybe similar to we have had in the 20th Century in the Past, maybe they had Created Machines and Robots in the Past?

The only Logical way they Progressed to what they have GOT without any Evolution of Technology would have to BE that they had been GIVEN/INHERITED such Technology or they had OBTAINED/STOLEN it.

I think as FAR as HOW the Engineers can Determine where Origae-6 is Located, must be they Discovery some Clues (but WHAT) or likely that its either the Walter is able to POINT out on a Star Map where David has gone.... or that Origae-6 is connected to the Engineers, or they just by Coincidence turn up by Pure Luck!

Some Speculate that its David on Planet 4 but this makes No Sense.... UNLESS we have it that David uploaded himself to Walter..... and then David goes "ah my Brother how does the New Body Feel?"   "Together we can NOW go and RULE the Galaxy"   Then they Embrace and David in Walters Body then RIPS the Head Off David...  so then David gets Pissed Off and feels Betrayed and wants Revenge!

Regarding the Engineers Fear of Mankind i think that they would be Concerned at the Potential Threat...  the Engineers seem ONLY as Powerful as their Technology.  Those Goons on LV-223 look like Enhanced Engineers but they are MORTAL after all.

But we have seen that Mankind can Travel to Engineer Worlds, they have Created Synthetics who can USE their Technology and Bio-Weapons..... and the PROOF of such a Threat is what any Engineers returning to Planet 4 would Discover..

so i think they would have Concerns/Fears over what Happens if any of their Sub-Creations would OBTAIN their Knowledge, Secrets and Technology.  They would WANT to make sure that Mankind does-not get their Hands on this.

I think their other Concern would be that if one of their Sub-Creations becomes Space Fairing and then Discover other Worlds where the Engineers had Sub-Created on... they would FEAR for how any Uninvited Humans could Corrupt and Effect any Civilization on these Worlds.

But as far as a Military Threat of Mankind vs the Engineers with our Technology then surely the Engineers would NOT be too Concerned. 

I think the Engineers are Resilient (LV-223) but i think that Human Technology can KILL them....  Marines with Pulse Riffles vs the Planet 4 Engineers unarmed?   YEP we get Dead Engineers.

But their Technology and Bio-Weapons are so Deadly and Advanced and they would Consider us as Insignificant like a Lab Rat that they would have NO Hesitation to NUKE us... well for them that would be to UNLEASH the Pathogen from the Heavens.

We dont know what Numbers the Engineers have... the Galaxy is a BIG PLACE... they could be Few/Far between.  But then it would ONLY need a Small Fleet of Engineer Ships to LAY WASTE to the Threat of Mankind.

I think the THREAT to the Engineers is themselves... in their Arrogance, leads Hubris, their Curiosity will likely lead to their Downfall... as far as THOSE who would Venture within out Sector of the Galaxy.   I think seeing the Xenomorph in Progress would be something they would NOT pass up on and they would likely WISH to take this Beast... Perfect it and UNLEASH that on us.... which Could be their Downfall.

But then WHO KNOWS... if David from Spares could BUILD Multiple Walters with his SOUL and OFF they go to LV-223 to Obtain a Handful of Juggernauts and go OFF to Destroy the Engineers Worlds..... i doubt we would see that though.

OH MY!!!! LOL what do we have here…..we have all the usual suspects and believe me this is in no particular order….Shall we begin! Class is in SESSION!

MonsterZero
“Seems to me...Earth is the Engineers first problem. Earth is the one making androids and sending humans to defile their temples. Earth is the one waging war.”

Monster Zero you really think we pose any real threat to a race of aliens that have technology millions of times more advanced than humans….I mean seriously, you really think that for any reasonable moment! I think what we have all seen so far is another separate part of Engineer civilization…let’s not judge books by their covers. Everyone presumably is judging everything they think they know by one planet inhabited by some of these Engineers….if you visited someone’s outhouse could you judge the entire planet by what you smelled from that hole in the ground!!!! NEXXXXXXT! We start giving people a few simple ideas and this always happens in posts like this…….

MonsterZero
“Maybe they could give David flesh so he can actually feel pain. Then torture him for an eternity.”

MonsterZero you are torturing us with this really you are! Please watch this instructional video!

What am I reading here in this post???? Is this even possible??? Do you people watch these movies???

hox
“I'm pretty sure David already feels pain. When he was fighting with Walter, he definitely grunted in what seemed like pain.

Pain is actually a pretty useful thing for a sentient being to have, as it's a protective mechanism.”

I really did not want to comment about this because  really why!!!!! Let’s see let’s see….Ash gets his head knocked off on the Nostromo – NO PAIN!!!! NOPE! NONE! Bishop gets torn in two on the Suloco! NO PAIN NONE!!!! Then David in Prometheus says “We wear space suits to make you feel more comfortable.”
Then Walter gets his hand eaten off NOOOOOOO PAIN NONE!!!! David stabs Walter with a flute NOOOOOOO PAIN NONE…..

Hox please watch this instructional video in reference to your comment. This looks like what you are saying about ANDROIDS FEELING PAIN IN THE ALIEN UNIVERSE - THOSE COMMENTS ARE DAFT LIKE THIS LITTLE FURRY GUY - WATCH CLOSELY NOW!

Leto
“How FAR would they take their WRATH?

Well, most likely, they don't have digital technology and are unlikely to revive Walter/David. Or otherwise download/receive data from him.”

So you really believe the Engineers have faster than light speed space craft but have no idea how spin state quantum computers work……NO COMMENT!!!! NONE NO COMMENT!!!!!

Leto please watch this video. How far is roll going how far!

Now the one idea that I thought was interesting just because hey why not! Was from MonsterZero.
Could the Engineers have spaceships that produce the eggs…..I mean they have technology way more advanced than a concept such as this and the idea is interesting why not….like a big filter drip coffee machine dripping out the contents and voilà you have a hard boiled planet wrecking egg….very plausible – interesting - vivid!

BigDave you started this take these kids to school I am going back to bed I cannot stand this anymore!!!!

Oh i forgot to say that i like how some of Hallets Work does remind me of some of the Art Style that Gary Harrod used (Artist for Games Workshop in the 80's/90's and also did Computer/Video Game Magazine Covers).

Similar style to some of Hallets work