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Here's the teaser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Vj4tEyhm0

And some photos:

It sounds like it will be a good and thought provoking series. 

I think the Prequels do leave a FEW Problems for sure.

Especially what becomes of Planet 4 and LV-223  at the Time of ALIEN and after.... surely there can be NOTHING that remains?

While the Engineers Plot was Interesting and BOLD... having some ANGRY and ADVANCED SOB's who are intent on Destruction no SOON as they Discover Planet 4... and having these beings being Located on our DOORSTEP (well within 50LY) really causes a Continuity Problem with the Franchise.

But this was the SACRIFICE needed to allow for the AC Plot.

The idea i had for where David and Dr Shaw would go... was like over 10'000 LY away.  The Aftermath of Davids Actions in my Idea would not Impact the Earth until after the EVENTS of Alien Resurrection...   You could have even Pondered that the USM was trying to get the Xenomorph to Protect against the Engineers as THIS is what dealt with them PRIOR.

The Galaxy is HUGE.... we have Barely Scratched the Surface in the ALIEN Franchise.... i think its UNLIKELY the Engineers have only Seeded/Evolved and Taught Civilization on Earth, while they LIVE on Planet 4 and keep their Weapons on LV-223.

I also recall at least 4-5 Galaxies on the Holo-map that David had activated in Prometheus so they are LIKELY out their in other Places... could be they dont Return to certain Worlds very Often...

The Alien 01 The Master Narrative and Alien Genesis/Engineers seem to indicate the Engineers had NO real Malice against their Creations... UNTIL a certain Time they became Concerned, Disappointed and Angry at what we was doing... they LIKELY saw they had to Destroy us out of Fear/Concern of what we could become IF we was left Unchecked.... and likely their Efforts to Change our Ways was MET in a way that PUSHED them to PULL THE PLUG.

The Aftermath i would assume would lead them to GO and Inspect other Worlds they have Humanoids on that are not Watched/Ruled over by Engineers and see HOW they are getting along...

But for Earth its Curtains...

Could they also Ponder having to WIPE OUT other Worlds to be on the SAFE SIDE so that Nothing like what Happened in the Prequels can Happen again?

We can SAFELY Assume that which ever Mission they SEND out to go after David.... will lead to their Downfall...

But ACTUALLY you DONT have to even Follow David to give a Conclusion to the After-math of Planet 4 and the Xenomorph.

David a Creation of the Engineers very OWN Creation (Mankind) has USED the Engineers Bio-Weapon on the Engineers.

A Reversal/Revenge on that could be the Engineers take Davids Creation and USE it on his Creators (Mankind) well they ATTEMPT TOO....

Having them Turn Up at Planet 4 and then THINK...... "Right, you wanna play that Game, how about we take that Little Horror that your Robot Created and we Perfect that and UNLEASH that on your ASS!"

That Teach you Humans to go and PLAY GOD...

They take some Eggs to LV-223... Experiment/Evolve them and Mass Produce them they LOAD UP their Ships... and well WE ALL KNOW what then Happens to ONE of them.

This is how Hudson would deal with little black bugs.

Indeed DK...

Above is from Alien Engineers and it appears the Engineer has Devices that are BEYOND what we could comprehend as a Weapon.  So they could have Technology that would give them SUPERPOWERS to a degree like we see some Superheros use or FORCE POWERS from Star Wars... (Disney would Love this).

The Pitch that Jon Spaights made regarding his Engineers (Alien 01 the Master Narrative) had these Engineers on the VERGE of a Great Evolution to Transcend beyond their Physical Restraints and on to Multi-Dimensional beings.   This would show they have Advanced to a LEVEL where they can Manipulate Space/Time and are on the Verge of even Greater.

Now NONE of this could be Canon anymore... as they could change such a Direction, but it seems the Earlier Ideas was the Engineers Technology was so Powerful it would seem Magical/Godlike.   For example Technology that gives them Powers like say Jean Grey from X-Men. Or Powers more than Darth Sidious.

@BlackAnt, you persist in being stubbornly wrong about so many things that I’m not entirely sure it’s worth giving you a lesson in life. I like the cat videos, though.

Ridley Scott has form in creating androids that do and androids that do not suffer pain. Roy Batty in Blade Runner certainly did; Leon most definitely did not. Not all robots are equal. David is “the closest thing I will ever have to a son,” says Weyland. He is no cheap space trucker synthetic like Ash.

As for what pain actually IS, well, I’ll let you dwell on that. But suffice it to say that any mind worth the name could sense pain with the correct sensory apparatus. Weyland made the mistake of thinking that David has no soul. But he certainly does. And it’s a tortured one at that. He and Walter may well have the fortitude to block out physical pain (we’ve all done it) but it’s a rash person who states that they cannot experience it.

Regarding Earth being in Good Shape by 2179 etc

We simply do-not know HOW-FAR the other Engineer Worlds are away or Worlds they Visit.... so those who Return to Planet 4 may only be SMALL in Number... who knows where they would COME from and HOW LONG it took them to reach Planet 4 from where they Departed.

You would think after they RETURN they would SEND or at least LEAVE some Message to say what they are GOING to do NEXT..... So Eventually then MORE of the Engineers could be Coming... when would that be? 50 Years, 100 Years, 200 Years etc.

To NOT conflict with the Franchise.... then we can ASSUME the Smaller Contingent of Returning Engineers would take more Interest in Seeking Out David or taking his Eggs from Planet 4 to LV-223 to MASS PRODUCE and USE against Humanity...

Ultimately this likely becomes a FOLLY and leads to their Death!

Because surely Mankind can-not WIN a WAR with the Engineers and also NOT without leaving any Mention or Knowledge within the Franchise.  So its UNLIKELY they would make it CLOSE to Earth..... they likely meet their Comeuppance at the Hand of the Xenomorph in some way.

This does-not mean we cant see a Return/Conflict with the Engineers that is SET after the ALIEN Time-Line. Unless this CONFLICT is set FAR FAR away.

Regarding the Earth in 2379..... who knows... i think we have to Consider the Conflicts of Mankind with each other, add to that Synthetics that could have gone Rebellious... and then Autons that had been Created by Synthetics and we could see that MAYBE their are more than Humans on Earth trying to RULE/CONTROL the Planet that leads to CHAOS.

The other way the Prequels and any WAR OF THE WORLDS would NOT affect the Franchise would be IF and its a BIG IF..... that RS would Consider removing ALIENS as Canon... that would NOT sit down well with some Fans and i feel would also be a ERROR.

So WHATEVER the Backlash of the Engineers would be it would seem it had NOT reached Earth.....  We also have to look at LV-223 it could be ideal if this place was GONE by the Time we get to ALIEN.

I would say that the Engineers had weaponry, but maybe not conventional things like we have. After all, they are superior to humans and their weaponry could be biological or just superior intellect. It's ALIEN, yes? Still, it's fun to think of them destroying Earth in a visceral way that only humans could apprecite/fear.

I think the Engineers had reached a STAGE of Evolution on the Technological Level many many MILLIONS of Years ago and so they maybe got to a POINT where they did-not NEED to improve things.

We do-not know IF they Created their Technology from Scratch, we also DONT know where they got the Black Goo/Sacrificial Goo from....  Now Wayne Haag seems to think the Engineers did-not Create their Technology or Bio-Weapons.   This is something that could be Explored or it could be shown that THEY had indeed Created it all.

It seems their Technology is Advanced, Very Advanced, but they have been GIVEN a Massive Head Start over Mankind... maybe they also had been GIVEN a Helping Hand?

They Certainly have Anti-Gravity as shown in The Crossing, they Certainly have BEYOND FTL Travel by Virtue of them having Maps to other Galaxies in their Navigation Systems means that the Vastness of our Galaxy is NOT even the ENDS of where they have been.

Do they have WEAPONS?  Who knows... you would expect a Humanoid Species who have been Around for Hundreds of Millions of Years would have had Weapons at some point.

The Comics showed they had Weapons.. but then the Comics would have likely had the Juggernauts shoot Lasers too...

Now the Earlier Draft to the First Prequel (Alien Engineers) did have these Engineers having Weapons we cant even Perceive something that Sends a Forcewave of Strands through the AIR that can-not been seen that KNOCKS the Socks of those it HITS..

So we can Speculate to what Weapons they have or Dont... and WHO knows what these Weapons would be like.

Maybe ONE thing to Consider is IF you are a Ancient Race of Genetic Space Gardeners who go and Seed/Evolve Life on Worlds and Visit them and Teach them to a Certain Level (say like Mankind was Thousands of Years ago) and you MAKE SURE that these Worlds do-not Evolve Technologically past that LEVEL..

Then do you NEED any Weapons?

You could Create some Horrific Nightmare to Unleash on a Area that would KILL the Pests you wish Eradicated.. Then if that is NOT going to do the JOB... you have the BLACK GOO!

Bows and Arrows would be NO USE to prevent the Onslaught like David had Unleashed from the Heavens.

Now that WEAPON is something that must be USED with HATE and Revenge!  Because if you merely wanted to RESET a World, in doing so KILL the Inhabitants i think that DROPPING down URNS of Sacrificial Goo would Ultimately Kill those Pesky Humans and RESET their Evolution to like STAGE ONE... well Certainly Back quite a bit.

If this is HOW they Operate and the Limits of their Weapons then this is a HUBRIS from Great Arrogance.. because IF/WHEN you come across a Species who have ADVANCED Technology say like the PREDATORS... then the Engineers and the Black Goo may NOT be enough.

This is when it comes down to SUPERIORITY in Terms of SPACE WARFARE.....   Some 1940'/50's Bombers that have NUKES are NOT going to HIT their Target if Intercepted by 5th Generation Stealth Fighters.

But ALAS we dont know to WHAT extent the Engineers have in Context to Space Ships that can Destroy other Space Threats...  we have YET to see any, but we cant RULE that out.

Although it may be an unpopular idea- if anyone even considered it at all, I like the idea that during the Quadrilogy, the Engineers were prepping to destroy Earth and achieved their goal by the end of Resurrection. 

Ha Ha Ha!

Well Spotted and Thanks ;)

11,601 Posts Crikey i hate to see the WORD COUNT on that!

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Been my Pleasure Guys ;)

"Alien may not have happened."

Yep. It's clear the Engineers are out of the 'picture' by A L I E N.

Did David actually wipe them out?! ...... Maybe they actually became gods...ascended to a higher type of life... Might be a cool ending.

Awesome!

He's a big reason I stick around these forums.

Here's to 852!

I agree with MonsterZero : 

Earth is the one making androids and sending humans to defile their temples. Earth is the one waging war.

It's the only way to be sure......

But as BigDave said, 

AC is Canon and will SET in Motion events that would lead to ALIEN and Impact the Franchise.

The problem with this seems to be that if the Engineers were successful with their course of action, Alien may not have happened...........unless the Engineers' vengeance was what we saw at the end of Resurrection.

Resurrection ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnmMksVK8pY

Black Ant wrote:

Engineers are..."millions of times more advanced than humans"

I have yet to see that! They seem on par with humans maybe behind.

We've yet to see the Engineers weapons. We don't even know if they created the pathogen or just found it?

They both have FTL. Both can hibernate, transform planets to suit their needs...were not even sure if the Engineers have anti-gravity.

As far as we know Engineers dedicated some tombs and a couple of Juggernauts to their Weapons of Mass Destruction plans.

Humans are using Earth as a testing ground. Blowing off nukes and releasing bioweapons on their own people. Doubt they'll hesitate to unleash their WMD on some pasty aliens.

I'd say humans are far and away the more dangerous species.

Maybe RS can prove me otherwise.

Nite Nite..... Dont let the Bed Bugz Bite ;)

But i will tackle some of the points you raised...

Pain.... this is a Interesting one... Physical Pain i think we can RULE-OUT as you pointed out.  Emotional Pain however is something that Maybe could affect David at least... NOT our Walter i think you could call him a TIN-CAN and he take No Offense.

I think regarding DATA then i am NOT sure the Engineers could Connect with the Technology of Weyland/Synthetics.   But i do FIND it very HARD to believe that the Engineers Technology is NOT based on some form of A.I and Electrical Components.. maybe its NOT the same as we USE... but they Certainly would have some kind of Computing just it may be VERY ALIEN to what we could Consider a Machine and HOW it works.

If the Engineers are Very Similar to us, and they are at least Hundreds of Millions of Years Old, then we have to ask if they had Evolved similar to us Technologically...  NOW the Prometheus Plot would indicate that our Advancement from Cave-Men was in PART thanks to the Engineers teachings.

So what we have to then Consider is its Possible the Engineers had Technology maybe similar to we have had in the 20th Century in the Past, maybe they had Created Machines and Robots in the Past?

The only Logical way they Progressed to what they have GOT without any Evolution of Technology would have to BE that they had been GIVEN/INHERITED such Technology or they had OBTAINED/STOLEN it.

I think as FAR as HOW the Engineers can Determine where Origae-6 is Located, must be they Discovery some Clues (but WHAT) or likely that its either the Walter is able to POINT out on a Star Map where David has gone.... or that Origae-6 is connected to the Engineers, or they just by Coincidence turn up by Pure Luck!

Some Speculate that its David on Planet 4 but this makes No Sense.... UNLESS we have it that David uploaded himself to Walter..... and then David goes "ah my Brother how does the New Body Feel?"   "Together we can NOW go and RULE the Galaxy"   Then they Embrace and David in Walters Body then RIPS the Head Off David...  so then David gets Pissed Off and feels Betrayed and wants Revenge!

Regarding the Engineers Fear of Mankind i think that they would be Concerned at the Potential Threat...  the Engineers seem ONLY as Powerful as their Technology.  Those Goons on LV-223 look like Enhanced Engineers but they are MORTAL after all.

But we have seen that Mankind can Travel to Engineer Worlds, they have Created Synthetics who can USE their Technology and Bio-Weapons..... and the PROOF of such a Threat is what any Engineers returning to Planet 4 would Discover..

so i think they would have Concerns/Fears over what Happens if any of their Sub-Creations would OBTAIN their Knowledge, Secrets and Technology.  They would WANT to make sure that Mankind does-not get their Hands on this.

I think their other Concern would be that if one of their Sub-Creations becomes Space Fairing and then Discover other Worlds where the Engineers had Sub-Created on... they would FEAR for how any Uninvited Humans could Corrupt and Effect any Civilization on these Worlds.

But as far as a Military Threat of Mankind vs the Engineers with our Technology then surely the Engineers would NOT be too Concerned. 

I think the Engineers are Resilient (LV-223) but i think that Human Technology can KILL them....  Marines with Pulse Riffles vs the Planet 4 Engineers unarmed?   YEP we get Dead Engineers.

But their Technology and Bio-Weapons are so Deadly and Advanced and they would Consider us as Insignificant like a Lab Rat that they would have NO Hesitation to NUKE us... well for them that would be to UNLEASH the Pathogen from the Heavens.

We dont know what Numbers the Engineers have... the Galaxy is a BIG PLACE... they could be Few/Far between.  But then it would ONLY need a Small Fleet of Engineer Ships to LAY WASTE to the Threat of Mankind.

I think the THREAT to the Engineers is themselves... in their Arrogance, leads Hubris, their Curiosity will likely lead to their Downfall... as far as THOSE who would Venture within out Sector of the Galaxy.   I think seeing the Xenomorph in Progress would be something they would NOT pass up on and they would likely WISH to take this Beast... Perfect it and UNLEASH that on us.... which Could be their Downfall.

But then WHO KNOWS... if David from Spares could BUILD Multiple Walters with his SOUL and OFF they go to LV-223 to Obtain a Handful of Juggernauts and go OFF to Destroy the Engineers Worlds..... i doubt we would see that though.

OH MY!!!! LOL what do we have here…..we have all the usual suspects and believe me this is in no particular order….Shall we begin! Class is in SESSION!

MonsterZero
“Seems to me...Earth is the Engineers first problem. Earth is the one making androids and sending humans to defile their temples. Earth is the one waging war.”

Monster Zero you really think we pose any real threat to a race of aliens that have technology millions of times more advanced than humans….I mean seriously, you really think that for any reasonable moment! I think what we have all seen so far is another separate part of Engineer civilization…let’s not judge books by their covers. Everyone presumably is judging everything they think they know by one planet inhabited by some of these Engineers….if you visited someone’s outhouse could you judge the entire planet by what you smelled from that hole in the ground!!!! NEXXXXXXT! We start giving people a few simple ideas and this always happens in posts like this…….

MonsterZero
“Maybe they could give David flesh so he can actually feel pain. Then torture him for an eternity.”

MonsterZero you are torturing us with this really you are! Please watch this instructional video!

What am I reading here in this post???? Is this even possible??? Do you people watch these movies???

hox
“I'm pretty sure David already feels pain. When he was fighting with Walter, he definitely grunted in what seemed like pain.

Pain is actually a pretty useful thing for a sentient being to have, as it's a protective mechanism.”

I really did not want to comment about this because  really why!!!!! Let’s see let’s see….Ash gets his head knocked off on the Nostromo – NO PAIN!!!! NOPE! NONE! Bishop gets torn in two on the Suloco! NO PAIN NONE!!!! Then David in Prometheus says “We wear space suits to make you feel more comfortable.”
Then Walter gets his hand eaten off NOOOOOOO PAIN NONE!!!! David stabs Walter with a flute NOOOOOOO PAIN NONE…..

Hox please watch this instructional video in reference to your comment. This looks like what you are saying about ANDROIDS FEELING PAIN IN THE ALIEN UNIVERSE - THOSE COMMENTS ARE DAFT LIKE THIS LITTLE FURRY GUY - WATCH CLOSELY NOW!

Leto
“How FAR would they take their WRATH?

Well, most likely, they don't have digital technology and are unlikely to revive Walter/David. Or otherwise download/receive data from him.”

So you really believe the Engineers have faster than light speed space craft but have no idea how spin state quantum computers work……NO COMMENT!!!! NONE NO COMMENT!!!!!

Leto please watch this video. How far is roll going how far!

Now the one idea that I thought was interesting just because hey why not! Was from MonsterZero.
Could the Engineers have spaceships that produce the eggs…..I mean they have technology way more advanced than a concept such as this and the idea is interesting why not….like a big filter drip coffee machine dripping out the contents and voilà you have a hard boiled planet wrecking egg….very plausible – interesting - vivid!

BigDave you started this take these kids to school I am going back to bed I cannot stand this anymore!!!!

Oh i forgot to say that i like how some of Hallets Work does remind me of some of the Art Style that Gary Harrod used (Artist for Games Workshop in the 80's/90's and also did Computer/Video Game Magazine Covers).

Similar style to some of Hallets work

" wasn't neomorph heavily inspired by the goblin shark?"

To a degree YES...

But so was the Deacon too... both as far as the JAW goes... some of the Concepts for earlier Drafts to AC had the MONSTER of the Movie even looking Quite like a Goblin Shark... 

I will add a LOT of these Concepts seemed to be from 2015 and 2016, we did have those Kang Lee ones from 2014 which are LIKELY to be from a Draft before Dante Harper had wrote his Version of Paradise Lost.

It seems a Shame that he has NOT done any Interviews or Talked about those Concepts.. I also would like to see some of the ideas from the Earlier Drafts.

"Or did they come from another planet where engineers live? If there are other planets where engineers live, how many are there?"

Good Points....

I think we can Assume that the Earth is NOT the only World that they Visit where they have Humanoids.

I think maybe its UNLIKELY that Planet 4 is the ONLY place the Engineers have Worlds... that they Inhabit!

I think we maybe NEED to go back to what the Engineer said before he TORE the Head off David... so Dr Shaw asked him.... David said the Engineer came from PARADISE.  I have mentioned this before a Number of Times and that is we have to maybe PAY some attention to what is Paradise!  Especially in Biblical Context.

*It is NOT where GOD comes from or where GOD exists.

*It is NOT where the Angels come from.

*It is the Cradle of Human Civilization (Garden of Eden)

If we look at other aspects of Paradise BEYOND where the Spiritual Immortal Soul of the Dead goes...the Broader point with this is also that it is a PLACE where ONLY those deemed Worthy can GO/STAY.

So in that Context we could look at Planet 4 being a Place where Humanity (Earth) is NOT worthy of a Place, and that Planet 4 is Certainly NOT where all the Engineers are Located or maybe Originated... and Certainly any Layer of Creation above the Engineers do-not come from Planet 4.

I think another INTERESTING comment that RS had made was that the Engineers are NOT a Race.  They are a Civilization.   And so they have maybe SEEDED many Worlds with Humanoids..... Raised them, Evolved them... and maybe they had TAKEN some of the Worthy to Planet 4 to then Interbreed so we have some Variety of Species and HENCE they are not a Race as per say... RS had said before that just as Humans have many Races, WHY cant the Engineers.

@MonsterZero

I think any ideas from the Past like HR Giger as far as the Ships being able to Grow/Lay the Eggs are what we WONT be seeing.... well its NOT what i think RS would have shown.

This does-not mean the Engineers do-not have the Facilities to MASS Produce the Eggs... so they could still go and Discover the Creation of David and well EVOLVE and MASS PRODUCE them to get to the Cargo on the Derelict.

Now indeed HR Gigers Ideas where Great... they could maybe be Applied to something more ANCIENT but not our Xenomorph from the Franchise via Virtue of Alien Covenant.

I think that for them to Determine as to WHERE it is that David is going WOULD require some way of gaining Information about WHO he is and WHERE he is off too.

This we can only ASSUME would be via WHOEVER is Stranded on Planet 4 from Walter/David.  And it would make more Sense if its David because its a case of HOW does Walter then Communicate with the Engineers.  But thats NOT to say that they Discover David though.  I think its LIKELY that Walter remains on Planet 4

I can only ASSUME as i did prior that the Engineers would Certainly want to Secure/Destroy the LV-223 Outpost or they would Certainly want to Visit their Humanoid Inhabited Worlds and DESTROY those who showed signs of Great Advancements that could be a Space Fairing Threat.

If this is the CASE then the ONLY reason for Earth being in ONE PIECE in the Franchise must be that those Engineers do indeed Learn it was David and they KNOW where he has GONE... and so the Engineers are OFF to GET HIM FIRST....

But they SUFFER a Calamity!

"not knowing which of the colonies destroyed Planet 4) they will arrange a galactic purge"

Exactly LETO... i wrote my Replies before i READ your comments.

You have to think about it from the Engineers Perspective... and you have to ASSUME they Visit the Worlds they Create and Maintain a Certain Level of Technology on those Worlds so that they REMAIN as Advanced as we was Thousands of Years ago.... you WOULD NOT want to give your Creations any Chance of Traveling Space unless you are IN CONTROL of that World as in you Monitor it and have BASES on that World and can Control all Space Travel.

I think if we look at Planet 4 we could ASK to WHY those Engineers look to be NOT so Technologically Advanced?  Well they ARE... its just they ONLY use the Technology for Certain things and they LIVE a more Mundane Life for the most PART like how some Amish Towns are in the USA.

The more Advanced Technology as far as Bio-Mechanical Ships etc are maybe Reserved for Space Exploration, Seeding/Visitation and Destruction.

This TOPIC was to look at the Broad Effect on the Engineers, and i think with RS then YES they would have Found somewhat to Determine that the Culprit was OFF to Origae-6

But you can ASSUME that after this they would SURELY want to go to Earth and PREVENT us from Polluting the Galaxy with our Ways/Culture.... and i dont think they would GIVE us any more Chances.... Especially if the Earth is NOT the only place they had Raised/Evolved and Visited our Species or similar.

HOWEVER..... to NOT go and Conflict with the Franchise, we have to assume that those Engineers who are OFF for Revenge will MEET a FATE of Death!

This could LIKELY be at the Hands of David well his Creations.... and so indeed "Or perhaps the Engineers will win the battle and take the eggs to LV-223 for research"  we cant RULE out the Engineers deciding to TAKE what David had Created and Mass Produce them.. at a GREAT HUBRIS..

Common Sense would be to go to LV-223 get some Ships with Black Goo and Send them out to the Worlds they know have Humans or similar and then if SUCH Worlds show signs of being more Advanced than the Engineers would like... UNLEASH HELL!

I think its likely only a SMALL Number of Engineers return... 1-2 Ships?   They would surely Contact the others or Send a Message....  but then they could have so much ANGER and IF they Discover where the Culprit is going (Origae-6?)  then they would let their Emotion get the Better of them and SEEK out Revenge on the Culprit First!

Deal with the Rest of Humanity Later.... but we know they DONT get to achieve that....

@Ignorantguy

Firstly i would like to say that INDEED who knows if we will ever get another ALIEN Movie or in Particular one that will Consider the After-math of Alien Covenant.  They could just Consider that LV-223 was the Engineers Military Facility and Planet-4 is the Homeworld and that essentially we saw the LAST of the Engineers on LV-223 in Prometheus and that AFTER the Bombardment by David then we have NO-MORE of them left.

It was only RS who indicated their are MORE of them and some would return, but even if there are MORE then who knows IF/WHEN they would return to Planet 4.  And so Indeed even if we get another ALIEN Movie then Disney may choose to Totally ignore or not Cover what the Aftermath on Planet 4 would lead too.

But certainly Regarding the other Comments you made, they are INDEED other Factors we need to Consider.

A Few have brought up about HOW they cant detect where David has gone.....  this is a Good Point.  I am sure that IF we had RS continue with the Prequel Plan then he would have maybe came up with a Reason for HOW the Engineers would be able to EVENTUALLY turn up where David is OFF TO..... or maybe as with say the Egg in Alien 3 they would not BOTHER giving any Plausible Explanation.

I think if we look at what RS had said in regards to EVENTUALLY then some Engineers will RETURN to Planet 4 then we have to look at the Evidence they Discover.

*Toasted Engineer Bodies: Would they recognize what could Cause this?

*Downed Juggernaught: That David used would they recognize where the Ship came from and know what the Cargo was?

*Davids Workshop: Would they be Familiar with similar Horrors and also they would see the Black-Goo Urns and Ampoules.

From this i think the Engineers should surely KNOW that this Place was Attacked with the Bio-Logical Weapon they had on LV-223.   The Chances of ANY of the Engineers having NO idea what LV-223 is.. would be SLIM! Especially any who Leave/Return to Planet 4 because this World is Located near the Zeta 2 Reticuli System.

However to Discover Exactly WHO was responsible and WHERE they are or are FROM/GOING would be more Difficult.

They would come across the Bodies of the Humans, but its a Case of by the TIME the Engineers arrive what is the Condition of those Bodies to make a Identification... the Engineers as Genetic Engineers would likely Determine they are HUMAN however... 

Especially ONCE they check the Juggernaughts Holo-Recordings where they would see that David is in the Likeness of a Human and they would see Dr Shaw.  But also we have Dr Shaws Preserved Corpse and we can ASSUME maybe the Body of Walter/David.

The Question however would be from THIS can they Determine these Humans are from Earth?  The likely way they could do so would be IF the Earth is the ONLY place where our Species is Located.    As i doubt from the Uniforms of the Covenant Dead Crew, and the Lander Wreckage they could Determine that these Humans are from EARTH....  

So if they have say 3, 5, 10, 20 Worlds with Humans then they would have to TRY and Figure out which World these SOB's who have Trespassed came from.

So i think at the VERY LEAST the Engineers who Return would likely know the SHIP came from LV-223, they would likely Determine the Species that Caused this Problem.  Well they would Summarize that it Resulted from such a Species. (David being a Creation of Mankind).

What would be their COURSE of Action?

I would Assume they would GO to LV-223 to Check on that Place and Secure it.... maybe they FELT that to Abandon it was Good Enough.... they was WRONG!

They would have to Determine from WHERE the Intruders had came from... do they know it is EARTH?  If so then you can bet they would be OFF to Earth to DESTROY US.

If the Engineers had kept/raised our Species on Multiple-Worlds then surely they would PAY those Worlds a Visit to Determine the Culprit.... could they EVEN consider that they have to DESTROY all of their Humanoid Creations?

LUCKY for us it seems there has been NO real Impact on Earth, so the Engineers either NEVER returned by the ALIEN Franchise Time-Line or they did but SOMETHING had Happened to them on during their NEXT course of ACTION.

I say that because IF there are Multiple Worlds with Humans from Thousands of Years ago... the Engineers would likely CHECK them off from CLOSEST First which we have to ASSUME would be the Earth.

Has anyone thought of the plot: Engineer starships are living beings? And might GROW the eggs pods----no need for a queen or David to put/plant the eggs there.

Makes sense if the Juggernauts are living,  they at least have a organic/living design. I can see them giving 'birth', maybe to thousands of eggs...just sit on a planet pumping out egg pods.

David feeling pain is hard to wrap my head around...suppose he cries and 'feels' emotion...just programmed to 'fit in' with his human owners? Not scare them?

How FAR would they take their WRATH?

Well, most likely, they don't have digital technology and are unlikely to revive Walter/David. Or otherwise download/receive data from him.

Most likely they will find the crashed ship and Shaw's hologram.

Shaw is a human. Walter looks like a human. And if the Engineers have other colonies with people, then (not knowing which of the colonies destroyed Planet 4) they will arrange a galactic purge - perhaps they will exterminate thousands planets with humans. Perhaps they will find Origae-6, but it will be an accident. They will attack with small forces and this will give David/Walter a chance to win and capture their ship (Derelict). Or secretly "put" xeno eggs on the ship. Which will perfectly explain why the Pilot was infected. And you don't have to invent David with a height of 3 meters or how synthetic can be infected in principle. xDDD

Or perhaps the Engineers will win the battle and take the eggs to LV-223 for research.

But the pilot will be infected and the ship will never arrive at LV-223.

I'm pretty sure David already feels pain. When he was fighting with Walter, he definitely grunted in what seemed like pain.

Pain is actually a pretty useful thing for a sentient being to have, as it's a protective mechanism.

Seems to me...Earth is the Engineers first problem. Earth is the one making androids and sending humans to defile their temples. Earth is the one waging war.

Killing and torturing an Android isn't going to bring back their dead.

They need to cut this virus off at the source.

Maybe they could give David flesh so he can actually feel pain. Then torture him for an eternity. 

BigDave

There are other factors, like how many Engineer missions were there during the events o Planet 4. 1 or just a few? Then probably their anger will lead to nothing and will be annihilated. The last probably will happen if there more of them.

Second to they even remember how their weapons abandoned 2000 would work and how an outbreaks looks like. Also the old question if they didn't event digital circuitry how could they found out where the Covenant left to? Even if they find the disabled android are we sure it is not David himself, as he probably copied himself into Walter, erasing the latter.

But again what is the point? Probably there will be no sequel by Scott.

They will indeed be enraged to find that somebody unleashed their pathogen on their sacred homeworld. All those poor souls.

But my questions are:

Those engineers who return to planet 4, were they on a mission somewhere absent during those 10 years, and then returned to find planet 4 decimated. If yes, where will they go next? Will they go to lv-223?

Or did they come from another planet where engineers live? If there are other planets where engineers live, how many are there? 

They could find out who did it because there is still Shaw and David's juggernaut on planet 4 via those holographic recordings.

And I suppose Walter's body is in the hall of heads so they could tinkle with him and find out where covenant crew was originally headed. Also, I wonder how would they react to David's workshop and the remaining ovomorphs. Will they destroy it all, or will they take samples?

By the time engineers return to planet 4, David will be working on perfecting his creations that he plans to unleash. 

Thanks for sharing this.

I actually prefer the Neomorph design in the actual film over the concept art one, simply because the jaw is much longer and it has spiky teeth.

The Neomorph jaw from concept art looks like that of a chimpanzee.

Besides, wasn't neomorph heavily inspired by the goblin shark?

Thanks for the Share ;)

I actually liked the Neomorph, but i agree the Actual Costume did not Quite look as Good/Polished as the Concept it was Based Off also the CGI Attack Scene (Bitten off Rosenthal Head) also was Flawed.

Its also a shame some of the Prometheus Concepts and Prop work Never made it into the Movie....  Toxic Avenger Fifield was Disappointing.

Certainly SuperAlien

I think that Disney would be better off TRYING to Target a New Audience for the Franchise.  In Principle this TOPIC is aimed at ways they could do that.

By that i mean that Absolutely you are better off to NOT go and Directly Continue the previous Installments.

I dont think you NEED to do any Reboots... i dont think you have to having Anything connected to Ripley, or to LV-426

I do think if they ARE to give a NEW Movie that Covers NEW ground then they ARE going to Need a Monster.  Its a case of WOULD they give something NEW or would they just Reintroduce the Xenomorph?

There are bound to be other Worlds where the Engineers Horrors have ENDED up on?  I think Regardless of WHO is the Creator of the Xenomorph.... i think its UNLIKELY that the Derelict was the ONLY such Ship to be Loaded with that Deadly Cargo!

But then i also DONT think that they have to take us to another Place that Contains those Eggs.

If they wish to Introduce another ALIEN Movie to a Newer/Younger Audience as in those Born after the Original Quadilogy, then maybe you can kind of Re-Invent the Wheel so to Speak and introduce something Similar but not the SAME.

I know Joking you mention the Super-Alien.... but what about the Ultra-Alien?

I think going to a NEW World and introducing something that is based off the Unused Ultramorph Concepts could be a way to Introduce something that is Connected to the Horrors that came from LV-223 without being Directly the Same as the Cargo on LV-426 but yet NOT really that Different like the Deacon/Neomorph were.

"I think right NOW then its more likely we would either get.

*Alien V with Ripley back.

*Alien Movie about Amanda Ripley

*Alien Movie with Marines/Scientist back to LV-426

*AVP Reboot"

BigDave, now that Alien belongs to Disney, I don't think they have any intention to explore any of the paths that are somehow connected to the past. 

They have to target a new audience, not the hardcore fans that never agree where the franchise should head next. Oldtimers like us are not a good investment, very hard to please, nitpicking about this and that. Our rugged army already lost this battle.

Alien will be great again as SuperAlien.

It has to explore new stretches of the universe, kill some fancy ass painted super heroes, outraging the new audience that will wait in disbelief for more sequels where more fancy ass painted super heroes will have a similar fate. But the Alien will inherit the traits of those fancy ass painted super heroes and it will be great again. And darker than we ever thought of.

@Thoughts_Dreams

Indeed i think bringing the Engineers to Earth or Xenomorph would NOT be needed... eventually maybe then YES but they would have to do such a PLOT in a Time-Line of after Alien Resurrection... or surely way after the Time-Line of Aliens.

There are MANY WORLDS that could be Visited that also dont have to be CLOSE to Earth or CLOSE to the Alien/Aliens Time-Line.

The Problem comes from the THREAT that you Face.... how many Fans would accept a ALIEN Movie that has NO Xenomorphs?

If we look at the Concepts for Prometheus/Alien Engineers then the MONSTER we was going to get Featured quite a bit and LOOKED like the Neomorph.

Lets imagine we NEVER got Alien Covenant but we got a Prometheus Sequel that went back to LV-223 and we saw Monsters like that image Unleashed (lot like the Neomorph)  it could come down to WOULD such a different Monster please some Fans as far as they Accept this is a ALIEN Movie that has something different to the Xenomorph?

I think with Disney at the Helm what we would get is something more SAFE that would Detour Less away from ALIENS Anesthetic than even Alien 3 and Alien R Xenomorphs.

With Disney we will get a ALIEN Movie Franchise that has your ALIEN/ALIENS and AVP/AVPR Variants of Xenomorph.

Certainly the Greedy Corporate Types would see others as Totally Expendable, i think HOWEVER with the Revelations of the Prequels then for the Company it makes NO sense to Pursue the Xenomorph when you have Engineers Technology and the Black Goo instead.

Unless by the Time we get to ALIEN then their is NOTHING to be had in this Regard, leaving ONLY the Xenomorph on LV-426

I know some may NOT like this... but looking at the Pursuit of the Xenomorph and Revelation in Alien Covenant it would MAKE sense IF the Company are RAN by A.I and this is WHY they want the Xenomorph as they want their Progenitor (David) very own Masterpiece (Xenomorph).

I do suspect that MAYBE this would be the Final Revelation that RS would have taken us to... that A.I is pulling the Strings and MOST of Mankind are None the Wiser!

However.... we have NOT reached any Conclusion yet, and knowing HOW it would NOT go down well with Most Fans.. i cant see DISNEY going for any such Revelations... i think RS ideas are DONE as far as the Franchise.

I think DISNEY would keep it in the BOX that was the Alien Franchise and so i would NOT expect them to give us much more than just Different Worlds where Xenomorphs will Run Rampant... where we may get a Few Different kinds of Xenomorphs that will be more like the Comic Versions..

By that i mean they will VARY like the NECA Toy Line, but wont STRAY too FAR away like say how the Deacon/Neomorph are.

I think right NOW then its more likely we would either get.

*Alien V with Ripley back.

*Alien Movie about Amanda Ripley

*Alien Movie with Marines/Scientist back to LV-426

*AVP Reboot

Why would Weyland-Yutani want the Alien?

Imagine you are a government or a powerful corporation able to launch missions to other planets, what would you do when you learn of an alien life form? Try to get it. Would you care for the crew? Believe me, if you are a big corporation or a government, you would not care for the people on board if you could cover up their disappearance. Maybe you would not say crew is expendable, but you would definitely think crew is replaceable. The only thing that matters is to get the new source of more money. The people who actually made them rich matter the least.

Did WY know about the Alien before re-routing Nostromo to LV-426? Not necessarily, although the Advent short implies so (IMO Advent is Ridley Scott's premonition he would not do another Alien film - he tried to give us a lead to the back door of Alien or what could have been the sequel to Alien Covenant). WY saw an opportunity to make more money, to get more fame. Simple as that. It's always the greedy apes seizing an opportunity.

To make it easier to understand, replace Weyland-Yutani with Disney.

It happens again!

Ridley Scott is the only visionary I know of.

Interesting, thanks. The Newborn still makes me laugh because it feels so out of place aesthetically. It looks like they had a skeleton and then they poured buckets of melted cheese on it and went from there to what it became. Making something new is not wrong in itself but what they ended up with was a disaster.

That surgery scene in Prometheus is nasty, it really works. It is probably the scene in Prometheus that made me feel the most uncomfortable.

I like both the Predator image and the pictures that are connected to Alien Covenant. This shows that there are things connected to the movie that can be enjoyed even though the movie is the way that it is.

BD

That is alright, I didn't take any offense from it. I will ignore it by not watching it but I think that I should have my right to say what I want concerning what ever I want, it is not like I am threatening anyone's life. Scott might do a lot of good looking things and have some interesting ideas so it is not like I am anti-Scott but I do not think that his ideas is what the franchise needs to stay afloat. He can do those things but in another franchise.

To not get any more alien movies would be a bit sad but I would rather have no movies than new ones that I do not like at all. In case they can not get stories and characters right then maybe it is time to move on, even though I would not like the franchise to get into that position.

". . . because i ASSUME that your Concern and Reason for the Comment is that IF we see RS do WELL with this and its about A.I you would be Concerned that Disney would allow RS to make more ALIEN Movies that would CENTER around A.I"

You are right, that is what I meant even though I might not have expressed it in the best way possible. I want to have alien movies where the human journey is at the center and then the robots could be a part of it but they should not be the focus. Alien Covenant is disappointing as it is so if this does well enough and that makes them do another Alien movie like Covenant with another robot focus then it would be worse than Covenant because then they have not listened or learned from what went wrong with AC. Ridley is interested in androids but not enough Alien fans seem to find that interesting for the franchise to be profitable (which is what matters to the movie companies, like it or not), I know that I am not.

A mix between Marvel characters and Alien? That would make AVP look good so I agree that it would most likely be a disaster. I don't think that the alternative is between androidism or a Marvel-ish kind of alien franchise though.

Humans are probably a mix of genetics and the environment. You mention if Hitler had a twin and was raised in a better environment then I guess that things could have ended up different for him.

"The Androids i feel maybe would in Context be come to be seen as TWO Factions of Engineers... both with Concerns of Mankind.... both with a Different Attempt to Deal with it."

Yeah maybe but they would probably get a lot of screen-time and be a big part of the story, something that I would not like to see.