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@ BigDave,

"Get back to something ALIEN, very HR Giger and Lovecraftian  and so indeed like what Gavin suggested I think could be the way to go..... only I feel at the TOP of this ladder its HOW do you use the Xenomorph.... something NEW could be needed."

One issue with adding something new is that thanks to the prequels the Alien universe is starting to become very crowded, especially in relation to the Xenomorph - we have Humans, Engineers (possibly formerly human, a precursor to the human race, or as others believe a separate race entirely), Space Jockeys (if we are to believe that the pilot on LV-426 is not an Engineer), and of course the Xenomorph itself. Adding a possible fourth race into the conspiracy of the Alien threat will only serve to further complicate the narrative, which would alienate casual fans and general audiences.

It is possible, from my theory, that the Space Jockey is one of the original Xenomorphs sent out to plant the eggs, that fell victim to his own cargo after seeding them within the cave, which was then discovered afterward, and augmented by the Engineers - this would appease some fans, maintaining the Space Jockey as something ancient and mysterious.

Also, I do not want to sound overprotective of the theory I believe in, which I have formulated to take into account everything we have seen and which has changed over time accordingly. But...

The theme of creation and rebellion is central to the theory I put forward - I believe the Engineers worshipped and served the Xenomorphs, using their technology, only to (as Advent suggests) then renounce the Xenomorph, possibly even creating life from the black goo, which was intended to destroy - which from the Xenomorphs perspective would be heresy.

David having witnessed the "perfection" within the black goo, the "perfection" of the Xenomorph, becomes their Dark angel and enacts their will by destroying the Engineers on Planet four, for their insolence, and continues the work they had renounced into developing and spreading the Xenomorph.

Furthermore to David rebelling against humankind, his assertion that he created the Xenomorph, and his evident fall into madness and apparent loss of efficiency highlight that he is far from a reliable source of gospel truth, and is all but suffering from delusions of grandeur. How long before David views himself as divine, and above the Xenomorphs?

Also, take into account the sequel to Prometheus was meant to be Paradise or Paradise Lost. Alien: Covenant only became the sequel after Scott and Fox reacted to the negative opinion the movie garnered from casual fans on social media - the views of the true fans, including us, were ignored. The reaction to Alien: Covenant, I would argue has been much greater, especially in regards to Davids alleged creation of the Xenomorph. This together with the movies far from ideal performance at the worldwide box office (especially when compared to Prometheus) and Emma Watts and Stacey Sniders' statements means that whatever Scott had in mind immediately following Alien: Covenant was not favorable and they are reassessing where they really want the franchise to go moving forward, both narratively and aesthetically.

Whatever form the next prequel takes, if we get another prequel, will likely try to retain the mystery and ambiguity of the original movie while tying in the themes from Prometheus and concluding Davids story arc - the latter of which will likely see his experimentations being destroyed, but the information garnered from their creation feeding the Companies desire to acquire the creature despite the evident danger the creature poses.

We all have our theories and ideas as to what we want to see and how we interpret what we have seen. That is the fun of being a fan - speculation drives the imagination, which in turn drives creation. It's just a shame Hollywood studios ignore communities such as ours, as many of the ideas I have seen here over the years by far outweigh the creativity I have seen lately from recent movies.

@chli,

Some of the reasons I prefer the opposing theory to the one you state - that the eggs are the source of the pathogen that was then experimented on by the Engineers on LV-223 and that they are but one of many caches of eggs hidden throughout the galaxy/universe, are...

# It allows the story to move beyond LV-426.

# It eliminates sequels endlessly needing to return to LV-426, which would become tiresome really quickly.

# The threat that the end of Alien posed, that of a cache of thousands of eggs, (which Aliens negated if we are to believe that the eggs were destroyed by the explosion of Hadley's Hopes' atmosphere processor) is not only returned to prominence but is magnified.

Also, it is my belief that when the engineers discovered the eggs on LV-426 that they augmented the cave with their technology - such as implementing the blue-mist as a system to warn them if one of the eggs "hatched".

Scified and Alien-Covenant will be presenting the continuation of the well received Alien: Unofficial Animated Series, however this time with a new title. In collaboration with Futprnts Workshop, we will be unveiling the first episode of the Alien: Analects!

WOOHOO! I cry from happiness!

I also waiting for the announcement of a new film or TV series.

As to what can and what can’t be considered as canon, what and who decides that? Should we stick only to what we can see in the movies? What about deleted/alternate scenes? What about extra material and interviews? What about novels, novelizations and comic books?

By accident, I sent a reply twice but there is no way of erasing it?

My “belief” is that the eggs on LV-426 survived the explosion of the air processor. The distance from Hadley’s Hope was probably sufficient and the site is also protected by the Ilium Range. This scenario also opens up for sequels which starts with an expedition (by W-Y) back to LV-426 to see if the eggs are still there (waiting).

As for how the eggs got there and what happened to the pilot, I think I stick to the connection to LV-223. The eggs on LV-426 are neatly stored in rows and there is engineer technology there such as piers and layers of mist. The size suggests a cave which is made into a storage area for the eggs.

The pilot (space jockey) was (probably) either on his way to collect eggs or to place new eggs in this storage facility. He is infected either on LV-223, on his way to LV-426 or on LV-426. He then sets the warning beacon. This scenario would mean that the engineers experimented with the pathogen on LV-223, but the products were stored on LV-426.

I see the prequels and the other movies as part of the same Alien Universe but representing 2 separate timelines although still affecting each other, something like this:

@daliens,

As pointed out in another thread, Weyland Corp and David knew of the "warning" signal coming from LV-426, therefore it is impossible for David to become the Space Jockey.

Also although the Alien re-created by David was created using insect DNA (among others), there is no clear indication that the 'Morphs he created had a eusocial caste system other than Davids "Queen" statement, which could be inferred multiple ways.

Additionally if, as I believe, the eggs within the silo are the true eggs and those discovered by the Jordens were the result of experiments stored onboard the Juggernaut it is possible, and highly probable that if David does indeed introduce a eusocial caste system to his rendition of the Xenomorph that they are completely unrelated. This is known as Convergence.

It was shown in Prometheus that the Engineers revered, possibly and likely even praised/worshipped the Xenomorph, but the Engineers on Planet 4 had renounced the creature. Originally Scott had the idea that Jesus was an Engineer, and that his crucifixion was the reason for the planned attack on us 2000 years ago. Instead, it now looks as though a less on the nose religious analogy has been introduced, and one more in line with the Prometheus myth - that for abandoning their faith the Engineers are being punished by their gods, The Xenomorph, and their new champion, their new dark angel; David.

As for the debate of whether or not the egg silo is a separate structure, as I believe it is, or not. In another thread, BigDave linked the following image illustrating the likely layout of the egg silo, and its scale in relation to the derelict Juggernaut...

Not only does the image of the egg silos layout share many similarities with the domes seen on LV-223 it is also quite large, and therefore if it was part of the vessel would mean that over half of the derelict Juggernaut was buried underground on LV-426. However, taking into account the Juggernauts we have seen in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, both of which did not feature such bulbous undercarriages, and the underbelly opening seen in Alien: Covenant (which David uses to bomb the Engineers, and the Covenant crew later use to access the Juggernaut) we can speculate with a high degree of certainty that the derelict Juggernaut docked using a similar opening onto the top of a dome-shaped structure within which the eggs lay; the egg silo.

As to whether or not the eggs were stored there by the pilot or discovered, I prefer the latter idea. Because if there is one cache of Xenomorph eggs on a barren, primordial moon in an uninhabited system, it is possible there could be other caches elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, possibly many, many more - could the Earth be one of the last of the inhabited planets not subjugated by the Xenomorph. Is this why the Engineers turned away from spreading the Xenomorph and instead used what they had learned to seed life rather than destroy it, showing that they not only renounced their gods but outright defied them; a la Prometheus.

As daliens pointed out though, surely the Colonist would NOT have missed the Derelict being so close... unless the Storms on LV-426 make it hard to detect by means such as Radar etc and also the Clouds/Dust Storms would make it maybe Impossible to Visibly see it when coming to Land at the Colony Outpost.

The colonists thought that the ship is part of the mountain range.

Decs Yeah- I went OT but that happens around here. It is hard to find movies like Alien and so things devolve into classic or obscure sci fie movies.

If you have not seen Cube Zero- you need to see it. It makes the whole series make sense- fantastic movie! The Cube- Hypercube you saw was a dud imo and the worst one to watch if you haven't seen the others. I promise Cube Zero will change your mind. The proper way to watch is Cube Zero and then Cube. I wouldn't bother with Hypercube.

They Live is one of those sci fi b movies you have to see- you will know why when you see it.

I guess I would say Pandorum felt the most Alieny that I have recently seen. 

You haven't seen the 1982 JC The Thing beginning to end? That is almost blasphemy!

Hey I Raptus! Thank you for the compliment to my list, I do think all of the movies I listed are truly great.

You know, despite being a quite famous cult movie I’ve never seeing “Cube”, but I really want to. I’ve never saw “Cube Zero” either, but I saw a big chunk of “Cube 2: Hypercube” on TV and it really wasn’t my cup of tea, I didn’t like it much, but maybe it was because I had never seen the first “Cube” and because I caught it when it had already started… Maybe I’ll give it another chance some other day after seeing the first “Cube”, and then I’ll try to catch “Cube: Zero” (that’s the third in the series right?).

About “Splice”, man, that movie really left me conflicted… I really liked some aspects of it and really disliked others. The creature design and animation was excellent though. I was greatly reminded of it last year when I saw “The Shape of Water” and I’m pretty sure Guillermo del Toro saw it and liked it cause he used one of the actors of that movie in “The Shape of Water”.

And well “Starship Troopers” has a really strong “Aliens” feel to it, although not very “Alien” to me.

Hey dk! You know? I thought for quite a while whether to include “Species” on my list but I finally decided against it, and I’ll try to explain why even though is kinda hard to explain… So yeah, on the outside “Species” is a movie about a killer alien, designed by none other than H.R. Giger of all people, but despite that, to me, it never really felt like an “Alien” movie… A big part of the “Alien” vibe to me was the isolation, the claustrophobic feeling, the creepiness of the setting, and “Species” to me have none of those things, the movie has more of a police procedural vibe or an action thriller vibe than anything else, with its scenes in crowded cities and discos and chase sequences and so forth. Now that’s not to say “Species” isn’t one hell of a fun movie, because it is, I really liked it, and to be honest the movie REALLY rattled my teenage hormones when I first saw it, I could not believe how impossibly beautiful Natasha Henstridge was in that movie, but I digress lol… “Species” is a really cool movie but to me it doesn’t have that “Alien” vibe despite being about a killer alien.

I have never seen “They Live” but I’ve read a lot about it. For some reason when I think of that movie I always think of the NES game “Bart vs The Space Mutants” lol, the whole premise of the game is a reference to that movie.

Now as for “The Hitchhiker Ride to the Galaxy” I found that movie really weird and funny but didn’t feel very “Alien”ish either, to me at least.

Hey daliens! Well I absolutely loved “Moon” although when I saw it I don’t remember having it felt an “Alien” vibe to it, but now that you mention it yeah, mostly the beginning has an eerie and kinda creepy feeling of isolation.

Now as for the “The Martian” I think that was a great movie but that one to me doesn’t have an “Alien” vibe at all, I saw it as a pure survival movie with a lot of humor and tension thrown in.

“The Astronaut’s Wife” is really cool and that one does have some “Alien”ish feel to it, nice pick, didn’t remember that one.

“Melancholia” I really liked despite not being a very big fan of Von Trier myself, and I kinda get why you mention it on this topic, although like what I just said about “Moon”, when I first saw it I don’t think “Alien” crossed my mind. I found that movie particularly creepy because for some reason I have a lot of apocalyptic dreams (probably the fault of watching so many sci fi movies lol) and one recurring dream I’ve had is that of another planet or massive meteor crashing to earth. The final scenes of “Melancholia” reminded me way too much of those dreams. Btw, a few days ago I opened a thread on this forum about a little piece of fan fiction I came up with related to “Alien: Covenant” that coincidentally features a rogue planet, if you want to read it this is the thread: http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/48620

“Another Earth” is a movie I’ve been wanting to see for years and years and it always falls through the cracks, I never got around to watch it. I’ll try to bring myself to finally watch it soon.

Hey ninXeno426. “The Thing” is a good pick! Although (and I pretty ashamed to admit this) I’ve never seen it like, complete from beginning to end, I’ve seen chunks of it and it does have a strong “Alien” vibe to it.

“Outland” is the first movie in this thread I have never heard of… I'll look into it! It was exactly for recomendations like this one that I created this thread.

Oh and I'm also gonna check out the thread you posted about the off the beaten path sci fi movies.

Hey Lone! I really like your pics. Like I’ve just said I never heard of “Outland” before but it’s the second time someone mentions it on this thread so I’m definitely going to have to check it out.

I found out about “Leviathan” some years ago when I was precisely searching for “Alien” like movies, I had never heard of it and I was greatly interested in seeing it and put it in my backlog but I haven got around to watch it yet (thanks I Raptus for the youtube link!)

“Deepstar Six” is one I definitely forgot to add to my list! I really liked that movie when I watched it as a kid despite it being kinda cheesy and some of its special effects not ageing as well as other movies from that time, and it does have an obvious “Alien” vibe to it. Good pick!

I haven’t seen any of the latter ones you mentioned, “Planet of the Vampires”, “IT! The Terror from Beyond Space” and “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” because despite the fact that I consider myself a huge cinema lover, for some reason I’m not very keen on watching movies prior to the seventies, so my knowledge on those films is very very weak. I would like to watch them someday though, but I think I would have to look for someone to watch them with me because I know I’ll probably won’t bring myself to watch them alone, cause I’m probably always gonna end up picking a more modern flick to watch.

Oh I’m gonna add two to my list that I forgot in my original post.

The first is one of my favorite movies of all time, James Cameron’s “The Abyss”. An absolute masterpiece in my opinion (the extended version is even better).

The other is a little known sci fi movie called “The Europa Report”. I found it really really cool and despite having an obviously small budget they really make it count. The movie has a very “Alien” feel to it and a really cool ending.

You have my sympathies.

dk you remind me of below dialogue:

"You hear that?

What?

No birds, no animals, no sounds. Nothing."

Zippo.

I'll keep the hope and the pressure until Alien Day. If the are so bloody careless to take advantage of this rare opportunity, then I won't GAF either.

There is good reason to believe a reveal but there is no obligation on "their" part.

I will not get hung up on something said in passing during an interview. 

Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. 

As Ellen said in Aliens- "I hope you are right. I really do."

There is a huge anticipation for Alien Day!

They are obliged to offer something in return.

And they must be on a position of strength to give away the shorts before the Alien Day. Why not start streaming them on Alien Day?

I have become pretty cynical over the past couple years. Thanks but seeing is believing. At least the IGN shorts gave something tangible.

dk here's something that might cheer you up::

Whatever. I have been tooting that horn for a long time. No one seems to GAF. We shall see.

The fact that he uses the Present Continuous "I think they’re doing a TV show or something right now. " means to me that he knows something is happening right now, he is not sure only about the format or content. But they are doing something without him right now, dammit!

IMO, if they are doing something, they should call Carlos Huante too, the franchise can only benefit from his contribution.

Thanks, Chris.

chli so it means that if the derelict was there even before the Prometheus mission, probably the whole idea of prequels that would lead to back door of Alen might have not been considered at the time of Prometheus. 

Ridley Scott just wanted to explore something else and especially to get rid of the stupid Aliens type of a script that Blomkamp was trying to make with Alien 5. This confirms the story of Carlos Huante from a recent interview I mentioned in another thread:

"HUANTE: “We’re talking in the room and he says to me ‘Hey, you know, this whole facehugger, xenomorph thing as they’re calling it, this is kind of dead isn’t it?…and I’m like looking at him nodding my head ‘Yeah man, it’s dead they’ve ruined it actually..the only film I counted was your’s, the first one’. The second one was fun, but even then, back in the day, I was rolling my eyes thinking that they turned it into an action adventure and I was a teenager. The poster was Ripley holding a big gun…I rolled my eyes even back then. Then I saw the movie and I liked it, it was good, it was really fun and well done, but it wasn’t the first movie. So I told him [Ridley Scott] ‘Look, man, they just ruined it’… So Ridley was like ‘So yeah, we got to do something else I don’t want to really make another Alien movie but I’m going to use it as my canvas to do something else’. While he was talking I was understanding this wasn’t going to be Alien, it would be something else, but it was going to play within that world and it’s going to lead us to the first Alien film, right. And so he was really trying to go away from Alien and create this science fiction story that brushed against the whole Alien storyline, so that’s the way we went at it. This opened up the world to be so fun, “I’m going to run around in circles kind of thing.”

So if in Alien the Company diverted Nostromo to LV426, to investigate the signal they were aware of since before the Prometheus events, could mean that whatever happened in Prometheus,  Covenant and any sequel to Covenant would not affect the history of the derelict from LV426 other than now we know the SJ is an Engineer. David,  his xenomorphs,  the Enginners would have to dissapear.

Or there will be simultaneous stories, the Company tries to get the xenomorph from LV426 via Nostromo, the ship that is closest to the target, while David is on Origae 6 preparing his Invincibila Armada. In such case Aliens and the rest would be like Ripley spin off to the main David story. I'd like that!

Thanks for the find daliens! I'll get a report done up for the homepage. Nice find! Upvoted.

chli I think you may have missed my point which is that RS should shit or get off the pot. I shouldn't have to study extra content or do outside research as a fan. It feels like RS may have become smug with the franchise. I say let others carry the torch.

setaverde what about the battle of Carthage in space?

Ridley Scott hinted he would do a sequel to Gladiator and Maximus would return.

Crikey....where to Start Here.....  I have covered a lot of this before, so it would take HUGE posting to go into some details... we could BORE ya all LOL

So i am gonna try and keep it short...

The Prometheus Blue-ray extras could now be considered as None-Canon as Alien Covenant appeared to Re-write/Ignore some of the stuff the Weyland-Industries Viral site had started.

YES Originally the idea was the Derelict had been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years, and the Xenomorph was related/result of the Engineers Experiments and likely Outbreak on LV-223 some 2000 years ago..  Ridley Scott even giving us a indication of WHEN/HOW which points the Finger at maybe the Hammerpedes being the Source (Xenomorph).  Unless we throw in Alien Engineers to get/use for some Answers....  but Alien Engineers does-not quite add up to Ridley Scotts comments...  (Outbreak happened within a Few Hundred Years of the Outbreak 2000 Years Ago, as something in the Derelicts Cargo Hold had EVOLVED).

Things change as they go along!

The idea NOW appears to be that David Created the Xenomorph, which does raise some Plot Inconsistencies. But such things and other Flaws will allow us to consider that the TWO events CANT be connected... 

Until we reach the Climax/Conclusion its open to debate, and regardless of the route we have taken (David Creator) by the time and IF we ever get a Conclusion, then things could take another U-Turn once again.... Unless Ridley Scott is involved and Disney allow him to stick to his Plan.

Gavins explanation is VERY unlikely if we look at the Prequels..... but we have to remember things can change, and indeed Gavin's explanation does take us closer to HR Gigers Concepts... 

There is some relationship between the Derelict and Xenomorph Aesthetically, the Ship looked Designed for the Space Jockey which in HR Gigers concepts are Humanoids... the Question is WHAT is the relationship... Symbiotic?

The Engineers are their by the Order/Subjugated by some Species that WANT the Xenomorph Spread?  is the Xenomorph Created by the Engineers but they Self-Sacrifice themselves to Procreate it?

The Prequels appear to be taking us on a LESS-ALIEN route of the Origins compared to what the Derelict/Space Jockey Scenes seems to show, as far as the effect it has on you the FIRST TIME you ever saw it.

The Prometheus Themes could be the Biggest Clue to where to take it...

David gives us the Biggest Clue!

Creation.. intended to FULFILL a Purpose Rebel against Creator and Purpose, then Use Technology of Layers of Creator to Create for themselves...

Swap David for Mankind, Swap Mankind for Engineers... you can repeat it but we see the same thing....

If Engineers were Created to Seed/Host some Organism for some other HIGHER Species...  maybe Creation of Mankind could be to Replace the Engineers for this Purpose... either by Engineers to replace them for Sacrifices... or by the Engineers Creators  or beings that use the Engineers, as replacement for them...

Or maybe thats NOT why we was created.... or even if so, then we could look at the Engineers having Rebelled and STOLEN the Technology of this Species and Re-Engineered it and Evolved themselves with it!

YES there was a Egg Silo, that actually was prior a Pyramid, YES the Xenomorph was planned to be more Intelligent, and some kind of Civilization...

The Xenomorph has been COOKED... as in to be taken Seriously as a Species thats PULLING the Strings... it is merely a Creation to KILL!

But we could still introduce a STARBEAST as FAR as a Species, Bio-Mechanical Beings (or Machines/Living Ships) that are ANCIENT and above the Engineers or their Ancestors... some Species that has that Xenomorph Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic, well certainly VERY like the HR Giger Aesthetic...  that does-not have to be too close to a Xenomorph at all..

Get back to something ALIEN, very HR Giger and Lovecraftian  and so indeed like what Gavin suggested i think could be the way to go..... only i feel at the TOP of this ladder its HOW do you use the Xenomorph.... something NEW could be needed.

The next IT has the same characters as adults. Big Deal. Pennywise needs to really be evil and actually kill to back the psychological scares.  

The project is done. Ridley Scott has everything "pronto". The way it's going to be broadcasted, by  a movie or by a TV show, it's up to fox and Disney. I prefer a movie. I hope it's going to be a movie. The alien movies are an epic horror gothic space saga. I ONLY want One thing from Ridley Scott in the Next movie, short dialogs, lots of horrible deaths, lots of gore, Battles between engineers, humans and Androids and New monsters created by engineers, David and the weyland yutani company- building better horror worlds. I want to see hell on space. Give us hell, Ridley. Hellxeno!

Ps: i don't want 'Game of Xenos', with a Cersei Xeno. Almost ten long fraking yearS of waiting to watch the end of the story. What a fraking soap opera.

If you want a space soap opera, i give you an amazing soap opera, 'knights of sidonia'. Here's the trailer,

https://youtu.be/xoW8tujGcds

The WONDERS of Flaws in the Movies ;)  I think as DK indicated its intended to not matter and a case of Oversight!

But it does allow for many debates.

I have not read the W-Y Report, i can assume the 30Km Distance may have came from what Bishop had said as pointed out by HOX and thus added to the Report.

Sometimes Movie Plots are not 100% Scientifically Correct, and so to pick some Flaws, we could counter argue that actually Xenomorphs DONT exist either.

So regarding the 30KM i think this was used as a Plot Device to indicate that the Blast Would Reach the Derelict and THUS render its Cargo Destroyed... (but thats not to say it could have Survived).  I think if we are talking a Blast Radius we need to wonder is this the Fireball?  Radioactive Energy Burst (cause severe Burns) or the Air Burst which at short distances would Destroy Buildings...   The Radioactive Radius even at its Highest Concentration would not Destroy the Derelict, the Fireball Blast maybe could... and the closer Air Blast could BURY the Derelict.

So the Vapor Cloud could be from dust and other Vapor released from the Blast, and not that it would Vaporize the State of Nebraska as well a 40MT Yield would not even scratch Nebraska... as far as a area that would Vaporize the area (as nothing remains).

For a Blast to in effect Wipe Out completely a area of 30KM would require a 150-200MT Blast!

But such things are just Oversights... i think a 30KM distance to the Derelict would suggest that indeed that ATV would have taken about a Hour Drive..

As daliens pointed out though, surely the Colonist would NOT have missed the Derelict being so close... unless the Storms on LV-426 make it hard to detect by means such as Radar etc and also the Clouds/Dust Storms would make it maybe Impossible to Visibly see it when coming to Land at the Colony Outpost.

The whole Egg Silo Kane went into and IF its part of the Ship Debate is a whole different Kettle of Fish!

Prometheus shows us the Juggernaught has different Cargo Holds... If we take those Schematics and assume the Derelict has similar, then indeed the Jordon's could have ventured to ONE Hold in one of the ARM Sections, compared to Kane's more Central one... but then IF we assume the Holds are of Similar Size.... again these Cargo Holds are FAR too Large to Fit inside the Derelict.

This i feel is just Oversight.... it would be interesting HOW they would have tackled this IF we got a conclusion to the Prequels...

As we have NO clear answers as far as on Screen... we have NOT yet seen the Eggs Loaded on the Derelict then anything can be changed!

As Gavin had said we could go the EGG Silo route...

Then it opens up the case of was the Derelict taking Eggs from the Egg Silo, or was it dropping off Eggs there for Storage?  

Which then could raise the Question of the Space Jockey, which would mean during the Docking of the Ship to this Egg Silo he had become infected at some point, and its a case of was he then TRYING to leave but got NO-WHERE as opposed to Crash Landed?

@Lone

I could not have said it better myself....

If anything is in the Works... then ALIEN Day as 40th Anniversary would be the ideal time to let us know or give us a teaser!

Regarding IT!   i felt the Clown was more Spooky in the Movie, but it just never quite seemed the same, but the TV Series was a TWO Parts and in Movie Terms the 2017 Movie was in effect just Part 1 so it would be interesting to see how the Sequel/Final Part Concludes, and its not too long to wait ;)

Huante has been very influential as far as Designs go, the Neomorph is in effect based off some of his Unused Prometheus Concepts.  Such as one of his Ultramorph Concepts, and Deacon Concepts.

I am not so impressed with his work here, but he is Amazing at what he does, i like the Head of the Gorilla and Body of the Neomorph and combine both would give us something thats Awesome.

"there is not really much scope to do anything grandiose and interesting in the next installment. Seems like so, but who knows."

I think it could go that route... there is the potential to be Grand but sadly as we are NOW in Prequel Territory where we have to ASSUME we are on that Inevitable March to ALIEN where we have to just connect the DOTS to HOW/WHEN/WHY it is that Davids Xenomorphs get unto a Engineer Ship and HOW/WHEN/WHY was that ship in the Facility of LV-223/426.

And it will be these HOW/WHEN/WHY that i feel a lot of Fans would be expecting to see and anything else or Emphasis on anything that does-not connect to the HOW/WHEN/WHY would be seen as a Distraction.  I feel any 2 Hour Movie that could mix a bit of Alien Covenant and Prometheus but TAKE-OUT anything Alieny (like Hammerpedes, Trilobite, Deacon, Neomorph or Xenomorph and Eggs).  would likely NOT please most fans... or certainly thats how the Studios may see it.

"Now, back to that plot"

Firstly yes Good Point about the lack of knowledge about David by the Covenant Crew, and WHAT the Company knew about LV-223, certainly have to ask WHY in 10 years they never Investigated... maybe they took the Warning for what is is... NOTHING BUT DEATH and so for those who can benefit from Weylands Death.... maybe nothing to GAIN apart from his Death...  surely they would send a Probe or a Synthetic Mission though?

Certainly with Walter, i think we have to ask HOW would the Engineers know David is off to Origae-6 and for me, the only way would be via Walter, or if the Lander Wreckage or Something on any of the Dead Crew has any indication of Origae-6.

I think your Plot makes things more Simple/Direct with little Distraction apart from reaching the Inevitable, while also allowing to explore David Creating something else...

Time Restraints we have to consider a Planet 4 to Origae-6 and then Origae-6 to LV-223 Journey would take up 14-15 years of the 17 years before the Nostromo Crew arrive at LV-426.

But that would leave 2-3 Years for what ever HAPPENS on LV-223 to when the Derelict ends up on LV-426, and so a lot of any Creating of Beings by David could be done during any of that 14 years Traveling on the Covenant.

So this could be a simple PLOT that could take ONE movie that would maybe be a SAFER option, as opposed to a movie that could be a Distraction if its spending years on Origae-6.

"Disagree. Adventure - the best aspect of Prometheus."

Certainly was a Thought Provoking Philosophical Adventure for sure, what i meant in my Comment about being Too Adventurous as i feel the Plot was a bit too Grand/Bold and there are fans who would not had expected or wanted to see a ALIEN Franchise movie go off on a Different Tangent that could have steered further from what the Alien Franchise was about.  So i feel some of the Creation Themes, and Philosophy was taking the Franchise Deeper than it needed to go (for me PERSONALLY? thats what i liked about Prometheus, but its a shame that a lot of Prometheus just Did-Not appear to be what some fans wanted), so they maybe should have given us more ALIEN Engineers, who have NO connection with Mankind, and are instead involved in some Galactic War that Time has Long Forgotten.

I really hope they can retain and go back to some of the Grandeur that the Prometheus began.. that Alien Covenant kind of put the LID on...

"It was never been David's Odyssey. It was Shaw's Odyssey."

I think is where its open to Personal Interpretation.. i Personally feel it was something BIGGER than both those Characters, they was there to help be our Anchor Point to explore the Themes at Play...

Some do feel it should have been about Dr Shaw, some are Disappointed she was not a Ripley like Character, but we dont need to have Ripley Clones (we have that with Ripley 8) and Evidence for that is how FORCED the Character of Daniels seemed to be, in a attempt to kind of replicate Ripleys ARC in the First 3 movies into ONE movie.

some think it should had been about Dr Shaw's Questions, and indeed those Questions would have Provided some Answers that would have been interesting, but i feel those Answers would certainly had NOT came anywhere near the GOD/Creators that she was brought up to have Belief in from her Faith.  But i understand some were expecting some revelations more close to her Faith, but i feel she would have found a HORRIFIC Truth that makes her Faith a Sham!

For me Prometheus was about Creation, both in terms of Life but Technology too, it was about what makes someone a God or Godlike, it was about Immortality, but also looking at what makes people Immortalized, and that Does-Not have to mean they LIVE for ever.  It was about Sub-Creation and how this can Empower the Creator with a Godlike Sense of Accomplishment, it was also about the HUBRIS of Creation, and especially if you create a Superior, or Intelligent Creation, and this Creation then gains Freewill and Knowledge, becomes Sentient and Rebels, and if your Creation does this and they can Procreate (Create) then what a THREAT that can be..

Its also about the pursuit of Immortality, Knowledge, wishing to Meet your Makers and the Hubris of this, in the belief that your Creation was for a Purpose and one that your Creator had a Great Importance and Care for their Creation...  then reveal that the reasons for Creation could be MUCH Farther from that Naive Belief.

In David we see this whole Creation/Hubris ARC played out, its like a Repeating Theme of Hubris, in Hindsight Creating David was a mistake and he was NOT Created to be Loved by his Creator... and for the Engineers as far as Creating us, its maybe exactly the same and so we have this Layered Cake of Creation....   and so it was Logical the Next Stage would have been to see it from David and what he would then Create which would be to his HUBRIS and Downfall.

I feel Dr Shaw would have been used to just show her/us that these Engineers are NOTHING like her Bible Teaches and there is NO Benevolent (at times) God of her Faith, and maybe reveal some other Sinister Reason for our Creation.   The Horror when she discovers this would have been our Proxy to the Horrific Truth of Creation.

I ponder it was NO coincidence that the closest thing we saw to a Xenomorph in Prometheus was via Dr Shaw, the Trilobite was in effect a type of Face Hugger, which lead to a Type of Chest Buster (Deacon) and so its NO Surprise to me that she was used to use her Womb/Egg Cells to Create the Xenomorph..  Although i dont think the Original Idea was to have her used to Create the Xenomorph, but certainly i would not be Surprised if after the Revelations, she would be or attempted to be used to Re-Create similar either by David or the Engineers.

But i do think Dr Shaw was not used well, while she would have been better to use as our Proxy to the Horrors she could have Faced... i felt it would have been better for her to had gone through the ORDEAL but be kept Alive... and then Ultimately for her to had Sacrificed Herself... this would have been much more fitting than the Injustice i feel we got in Alien Covenant.    Where her END would have given Great Importance to the Saving of others or indeed MANKIND!

I would have had her AFTER all her Revelations that Proof there was NO Goody Two Shoes GOD....  but at that Moment, before she Sacrifices herself, she clasps her Crucifix and closes her Eyes...  With that One Final Element and Memory in the Knowledge that what she is doing is similar to who she had put her Faith in had done for Mankind...   Sacrifice to Save us!

This is just my Interpretation and so thats not to say i am in any way correct. 

I agree and I am totally in favor of a TV series.

I wonder what Ridley Scott is doing these days, I know he is a busy little bee.

He can't be only sitting for a portrait.

I think a TV series is the way to go.

I finally saw IT and was extremely disappointed. The 90s series with Tim Curry had tons of character and plot development. The new movie seemed like a weak version of Nightmare on Elmstreet and Pennywise would have been bitch slapped by Freddy. 

You just can't pack the depth into a theater length movie imo.

Alien covenant had a profit of 260 million dollars, with a budget of 97 million dollars, in 2017. I think they are still making money with This movie. It's not a smash hit, but it's obvious that exists potential to make at least One more movie or/and a TV series.

What I don't want is probably exactly where the Franchise will go, plus it's something a lot of people would be happy about.

Jim Cameron is waiting in the wings, as he intends to bring Blomkamp's ALIEN 5 to fruition. Understandable I guess, as it does feature a continuation of his characters! Many people feel that Ridley has had his chance & blown things, so why not have Cameron step in?

I don't think it would provide us with anything new, nor push the envelope enough. I'd prefer more Engineer backstory, (why waste a whole technologically advanced civilisation, their motives & history?) plus a full on Gigerverse juxtaposed with believable, interesting, well defined characters whom we care about. As opposed to glossed over, badly written caricatures whose actions & dialogue make us wince.

There's so much potential in the Alienverse, so many new places the story could go. We don't need any more re-treads, re-hashes or contrivance.

The question remains as to who could bring the correct balance of elements together in an engaging way. For me, PROMETHEUS was a great beginning.

I like these early

Enginners design by Carlos Huante:

First part of Carlos Huantes interview, where he talks about Prometheus and how just before Ridley Scott jumped in the script was like Aliens (probably he read the script for Blomkamp's Alien 5) can be read also on HNentertainment here.

"HUANTE: “When we met, I had a script in my hand and it was not good. It would have been like Aliens, like an Aliens movie it wasn’t Alien it would have been an Aliens film. There was an army group there fighting aliens with all of them getting killed. It was a shoot ’em up bang-bang film with aliens in it. It was really bad but I knew that wasn’t going to be the script and Ridley had just gotten hired, the art department got hired on. I was living up in Northern California at the time. So they flew me down to meet with Ridley for a couple of days. And so I’m in the room with Ridley, I sit down and he starts telling me the story, the new script, and it’s way better. I mean that [previous] script I had read had nothing to do with what he was telling me.”

If it was already discussed and I missed it, please ignore it.

Original concept for the neomorph was by Huante, but the neomorph as seen in AC is by Colin Shulver.