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Absynthe- Tried it. Seemed like super charged cold medicine at 5 times the price. Anise fans might like it. Maybe I got a bad batch. 

Im gunna jump in early with the most iconic green thing I could think of

Credit to whomever made this picture :)

It doesn't have to be Alien but should relate to both sci fi and St Patrick's Day in a loose and silly way. Here is an example:

I Moon Girl That sucks. Try to get the Quadrilogy/Anthology on blue ray used. It's the only way to be sure.

In the version I watched on HBO, I did notice a scene or two cut from the movie.  It was a very small scene.

I also thought that some of David's lines were re-recorded and played over David's original lines when he was in the lander with Daniels, T, and Lope when they were getting off of Planet 4.

I hate when this happens.  It seems like the movie is in constant flux on what it actually contains.  I noticed scenes missing from when I saw it in theaters when I compared to when I rented over cable and from Redbox (the local movie dispenser for non-Americans)(I guess Redbox is only in America?).

It's the same with Alien.  I just need to actually buy a copy which will always stay the same... and most likely be a nice long version that doesn't fit to some predetermined time schedule.

I remember back in the '90s Kenner had a Flying Queen and a King figure. But the King was kind of crappy and the idea of flying queen was absurb even back then lol...although it did look pretty cool!

Hi Rune! Great post!

Is this the Sideshow Maquette you mention (below)? $1000 are they? Wow! Amazing but hard to justify that pricetag.

Thank you for the great info, Ingeniero.

Perhaps they'll broadcast its super-extended version as well. :D

That is a great piece of news, daliens, thank you.

'There are tv channels devoted to the Alien franchise. And still no news about the next one. How come, Disney?  Do we have to put billboards out to get your attention?'

Awesome, daliens, or perhaps we should Call Them By Our Names. :)

thanks for the 3rd score given to the Topic, I'm happy to share opinions and ideas with your about this universe so rich and exciting.

BigDave Did I notice your gift in profiling the subjects , did you write books ? :p

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

Thanks cuponator3000. Just some strong leadership and a firm vision/direction is all we need  :)

BigDave my apologies if I came across defensive. I don't like endings Eg. I love Firefly/Serenity....watched them too many times to count. BUT, Never seen the last episode of Firefly "Objects in Space". This way for me the series has never ended lol :-p

Sadly the Beast is being relegated to nothing more than Bio-Weapon, used in mass.... and so its kind of much like how the Iconic T-800 had lost that Awe Inspiring Sparkle after the first TWO movies, as well it was not Unique but just a Mass Produced Killing Machine made to Hunt down Humans.

Great words!!! Couldn't agree more! There has been that lingering lacklustre disappointment with the Terminator series since Judgement Day. Boring old mass-produced killing machine T800s, and now T1000s (thanks to Genisys)

Lets not be Terminator. 

dk I would like to see at least one more movie too, otherwise the story is just left hanging in limbo. I agree, the Alien itself no longer has the ability to shock or frighten. It can still be a part of the story though.

There is so much potential. If Ridley could have followed through on his original plan, I feel it could have been very interesting. Problem is, you can't keep changing direction and wiping out what your last movie set up. I feel a Covenant sequel would do this too, to a certain extent.

What really excited me was the idea of one director making a series of movies which would follow on with a similar tone, fresh ideas and fit together seamlessly. Sadly, that hasn't happened.

That's been the biggest problem with the Alien Franchise, apart from the first two, none of the movies really sit well together. 

Where to now I wonder? Please Disney, take a chance!

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Maybe it no longer receives support due to lack of use?

Lone and I Moon Girl Great posts! They condensed what many of us have discussed and expressed over the past year!  Perhaps it’s not just the Alien that is cooked, but the entire idea of an Alien Franchise?

That brings a bit of a paradox it seems. One one hand, the beast seems cooked to many, and the android story seems to be a way to keep it moving while maintaining that creepiness and horror since the Xeno hasn't really scared anyone since A3. I would like to see it tie into Alien in one more 3 hour movie personally. All things can not be answered but the longer this goes on, the more it can be viewed as having painted itself into a corner.

Codexas Interesting post. I think that was what a lot of people took from HR Giger's art. I would like to see what you describe but unfortunately, it doesn't exactly plant enough butts in seats these days. I hear you!

Ridley changed his story during the development of AC.  Its been easy to pile on him and I've done it myself but I was thinking recently we need new person at the wheel.  He can move the ball where Ridley left it.  For example, send in help to Origae-6.

Actually, I think there's a possibility that Ridley has been convinced and perhaps, shall we say nudged onto the current path! 

Don't all pelt me at once!

Hehe, no problem!

@Lone

To be perfectly honest, I most likely I could not find the original source, so please take it with a grain of salt....

...if only Codexas....if only!

Thank you ignorantGuy, duly noted! 

Lone

Sorry but AC was stated in an interview that had more or less the same budget as Prometheus. It was made however underbudget because they cut the 3D.

*Takes mic from dk, clears throat*… thanks dk ;)

Is the beast cooked?……eh, maybe.

On the one hand, the Morb itself offers tantalising possibilities, which I am open to. But, did we ever really need a backstory about this extraterrestrial, bio-mechanical, inter-species, oral rapist?

If it’s cosmic horror we crave, surely all we need to know is presented in this beings lifecycle? Just as you and I go to work, mow the lawn on weekends, or argue the specifics of each Alien movie. This beastie is doing something equivalent. Yes, it’s lifecycle seems horrific to us, but he’s not evil per se, he just goes about his day to day business of procreation. I kinda liked that simplistic, carnal presentation.

Of course, what changes that perception is when you add in additional factors. The Black Pathogen, as presented in PROMETHEUS, appeared to be a masterstroke, allowing for a Morb origin lesson and a melting pot of endless permutations, dependant upon who was doing the cooking! I really liked where this was going. The pale bald guys were not what I had in mind for the SJ, but I felt Ridley and co were cooking up a gourmet dinner.

Prometheus certainly needed a longer run time, we’ve said that a million times. Heck, there are deleted scenes which at the very least, would have helped the story flow better. But there were brilliant, fresh ideas and at points Ridley’s genius shone like the brightest star in the Universe. Had it not been marketed as an Alien movie, it would never have suffered such a backlash. Instead we’d be on this forum geeking out over hints and clues, and creating links to prove an ALIEN connection :)

Then along came Alien: Covenant. I’m still unsure as to how to define it? Filler? Nope, why would you waste money, time and effort on a movie which doesn’t act as a bridge to anything? It doesn’t really work as a Prometheus sequel, nor as an Alien prequel. It’s not that I think it’s a bad movie per se, I just cannot fathom its purpose. It treads water, is filled with Alien Franchise tropes, some worthy as nostalgic nods, whilst others are cringe inducing. Wrecked almost everything Prometheus set up. Had its budget cut and release moved up? Both of which ruined the final look of the creature effects, all on a Ridley Scott movie, the master world-builders watch no less! Just what the hell is going on?

Mehh, for anyone who’s still with me, I better stop now and try to sum things up…

To answer your question dk, perhaps it’s not just the Alien that is cooked, but the entire idea of an Alien Franchise? As far as I’m concerned if Ridley can’t get it right, then there’s little hope for anyone else.

Perhaps it’s a good thing that FOX are no longer the Puppet Masters? However, would Disney really want to pursue the idea of an EBE with the Morbs credentials. I seriously doubt it.

Mind you, an animated series could possibly tick their boxes! ;)

@Codexas

Many things would have been better, but David was made out to be the new protagonist, so it's his world now. I don't like it but that is the way it is now.

If you research CIS you'll see that they are known for MMO's like Star Trek Online before they were bought by Fox last week.

This game is likely to be an MMO.

Fox wouldn't buy just any game developer to release a one off AAA title.

The game will likely be an adventure type MMO that skirts the edges of the lore and the final missions will be to lv223 or the engineer world where you'll get a taste of an answer but nothing meaningful, because there isn't anything meaningful. The ALIEN was created by an angry robot from Earth, there isn't really much left to discover after that apart from who did it eat and when. Lol.

If you research CIS you'll see that they are known for MMO's like Star Trek Online before they were bought by Fox.

This game is likely to be an MMO.

Fox wouldn't buy just any game developer to release a one off AAA title.

This is Ridley Scott verbatim on monsterlegacy.net:

https://monsterlegacy.net/2018/02/04/starbeast-alien-covenant/

"The Engineers didn’t make him [the Alien], David made him; which I thought was far more interesting.” He also added: “he designed this motherfucker — rather than it came from the Engineers it came from him."

Anything else, is just your wishful thinking and own fantasy because of your disappointment. You can't believe the Alien franchise universe was such a small universe to begin with. I know you really don't want to believe it but that is the reality.

That mysterious Xenomorph was made by an angry robot from Earth.

Done. There's not much point in watching any more of these movies.

@Gavin

Rape was implied heavily and the claims are not mute and void, as after the Lambert and Brett scene, Ripley is filmed as she hears that weird panting from the Xenomorph as if he was in a sexual activity...

Will we never know exactly what happens there, however.

IMO, and my short answer... No.

Whenever people talk about the first Alien movie they place the Alien on a pedestal of which I feel it does not deserve. We have all heard the claims of the creature being a sexual predator, a mutilator, a murderous thief. I have seen Alien too many times and all I see is a parasitic yet naturally-viable creature animal acting in a predictably animalistic fashion - it uses the vent shafts to sneak around the ship snatching Brett and Dallas to reproduce and eliminates all other threats to protect its potential offspring. Nothing else is inferred (claims it raped Lambert are void and mute as those are Brett's legs, not Lambert's)

What I want to see from the Alien is the Alien everyone thinks they saw, a cruel and malicious creature, with disturbing and murderous intent. This doesn't have to be gratuitous as I, as I believe we all, feel that less is more and the horror of the unseen is more frightening than what we do see. But if we had a new movie in which the Alien is inferred to be callous and manipulative I feel it would breathe a whisper of life back into the franchise, at least in terms of the portrayal of the creature.

One of the greatest ironies to have Disney in charge with the future of the Alien franchise,  after they even removed the xenomorph from Disneyland in Orlando. Nevertheless. ..

Disney,  if you want my money, just let Ridley Scott finish his prequels,  I'll see it in theaters,  buy the bluray and merchandise. Not interested in other options.

IMO the use of xenomorphs as cannon fodder has to be avoided. I believe Ridley Scott's intentions to present it as AI and biological weapon, with the capacity of bonding with its creator could give a fresh and interesting complexity to this unique, beautiful monster. Its life cycle is however widely known by all, so only exploiting its adult life form when not busy with killing, its adaptability, motivators, communication skills, everything that makes it the perfect organism, can save this dear.

And Ridley Scott is aware of that, he can do it. He still believes in the alien. I hope he can persuade the accountants from Disney and start filming asap.

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I agree with iRaptus on the stuck in a loop idea. So yes, the Beast is currently cooked. I think it be rebirthed though. Or at least, can stand a few more rounds. In fact, iRaptus is right again in which all of the licenses for Alien from all forms of media need to be rounded up and then a group of producers and writers need to plan out a franchise. At least give some sort of skeleton structure to it. The beast needs to be paced. All of the froms of media pushing out Xenomorphs are compunding the issues. 

With a little care and some fresh film ideas and structure, the beast can go for a few more rounds. I think the frnchise would (unfortunatley) benefit from a decade or two of stasis after Sir Ridley hopefully finishes his prequels. 

Without reading ANY posts from above and from me missing out of some great points of the fellow members on this forum... I would have to say...

YES, the beast is cooked.

Alien was so great because the audience knew SO little about the Xeno.

Aliens was so great because it took the threat of the Xeno and times that by 1 million.  It wasn't near as scary as the first one, but the Xeno isn't all about scarying people.  Aliens was a great sequel.

I feel like the beast got cooked at Aliens.

Alien3 was a good movie and it had an interesting twist on the Xeno since it was more dog-like.  I also think that was the first movie we even get the idea that the Xeno can take on characteristics of the host.  In Alien3, the host was a dog.  So, it was a good movie and I really did enjoy it, but the Xeno was fairly predictable.  It was just done in a completely original environment for Ripley to overcome.

A:R was good and had some scary parts and I did enjoy that movie as well.  A clone Ripley was a great idea.  It did get weird in the end, which is a plus and a minus for me.  I'm glad it was made.  Still, it was more of Ripley's story and not about the Xeno.  That is why I think it was a success.

Prometheus was a genius idea.  I've said that numerous times on this website.  The basic idea of Prometheus was JUST as good as Alien in my critique.  I loved how a person couldn't really tell it was a part of the Alien franchise.  For me, Prometheus is just fascinating and has rewatchability for different reasons than Alien.  Genius idea, yet original. Loved it!

Alien: Covenant wasn't so much about the Xeno, but more about the history of the Xeno.  Hopefully we'll get more answers in Alien: Awakening to finish it.

So, getting more on topic here...

Xeno was cooked after Aliens.

Ridley Scott was right with Prometheus and the direction of the prequels.

Even after Alien: Covenant's somewhat failure to live up to Prometheus's standards, exploring the history of the Xeno and the associated Engineers are the right way to go.

I'm glad Aliens was made, but I think the prequels that Ridley Scott wanted to make after the original Alien could've been made much sooner than they actually have been.  The reason is because the Xeno was almost cooked after Alien.  There was definitely room for a sequel to Alien.  The question was just how was it going to be done.  We got Aliens and I'm fairly happy with it.

So, the Xeno is cooked because we supposedly know everything about it.  We now even almost have a complete history of where the Xeno comes from.  That's unless Alien: Awakening throws a curve ball towards.  Knowing Ridley Scott, that could be the case.

Still, I think it's obvious that the Xeno is cooked from Alien: Covenant.  In A:C, we get the Neomorph.  It's cool, yet I also understand it as a way to provide something fresh.  Don't get me wrong, but the Neomorph is a good idea.  Still, I think the reason we have the Neomorph is because Ridley Scott thinks the Xeno is cooked.

I agree.  The Xeno is cooked.

Of course, I'm sure someone could write something.  They came up with Prometheus.  That movie is fantastic.  It just needed some more run time.  Blade Runner 2049 get's almost 3 hours and Prometheus get's 2 hours?  Both are great movies and both deserve 3 hours.  The Alien franchise has more movies out over a greater period of time.  It would only make sense to produce a movie that decides it's run time (as long as it's reasonable).

We might get a long run time for Alien: Awakening.  It would only make sense since it would be the last of the prequels.  

According to a review I discovered that the 2000 settlers will not serve to generate an army of xenomorphs, but a source of guinea pigs for something bigger, perhaps a hybrid queen from the human body, something already discussed earlier, it would be nice if I got to this point they could leave eggs in the middle of the night and the engineers in the morning find themselves panicked.

One side of the Lucifer I would like to see is this, that is, a David who has mercy after the defeat of ancient civilization.

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

bigdave, I get what ur saying about the belly burster but we got that in AVPR. they should has stopped that scene at the reveal of the pre-alien and left the rest upto the imagination. the belly burster with pregnant women was something that they didn't have to show. my imagination wouldv led me down that road n done its job perfectly well. showing it was too far imo.

Predator 4 is going to bomb.

Totally Agree...

I mentioned the same thing before... even if Disney do-not directly make/produce a Alien movie.... they could still release one under the FOX Brand... or even Outsource the Franchise to another company, where Disney will be listed as part of the Producers, but a different company would be commissioned to actually work on the Project.

Or indeed we cant rule out Disney Selling off some of the Franchises it has acquired.   I think Disney would be wise not to, because Alien and Predator give them another different string to their bow.

I dont think being associated  with a R/15 Rated Franchise would damage Disneys Reputation?

They could easily make a movie that sits at a Gore/Foul Language Setting of say Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien R (or AVP) kind of flick and in todays market pass it for a Cert 15 or USA equivalent.

They only need to cut any Nudity, and over the top Foul Language and these would not impact a ALIEN movie... and they would not tarnish the Reputation of Disney.