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As I recall, RS didn't hate the queen- he said something to the effect that he would have gone the Space Jockey route instead.
A question?Where did Ridley Scott ever say he doesn't like the queen?It's thrown around here all the time,yet i can't find a single shred of proof he ever said that?I know a lot of those who feel Only Scott films matter feel that way.Ridley actually admires Aliens,he wanted to work on a movie with Cameron after all,so I don't see him having issues with the queen.
No problem Ingeniero.This has been bothering me for a while now.
Thanks for the comments .Ingeniero happy to have you here.
BigDave I believe very much in the theory that you said about the codes incorporated in the alliance, because it is a revealing proof the hologram of Shaw sent into space and perhaps even the neutrino storm, but the latter is too much of a gamble to affirm it immediately .
I think David already knew the alliance and being a son of Wayland was behind him like a child listening to the adults while they talk to the table.
daliens the meeting of the android with the ship would be an old meeting and now he is back to his vessell.
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
The Speed of the Juggernaughts is also interesting regarding RS comments on the Space Jockey event...
He claimed the Derelict did not get FAR from its Departure, now this hints at its departure being LV-223, but it depending if we are talking FAR as in Distance or Time... 10 Miles is a bit far to Walk it would take about 3-3.5 hours to walk... But in a Car its 10-15 Minute journey.
So even if we consider that the Space Jockey event is not Ancient, if we consider the NOT FAR as in terms of the Travel in Time for the Derelict then indeed Oriae-6 or Planet 4 to LV-426 could be considered not FAR... but then it would be a coincidence if it was going to some other place and just happened to only get as far as LV-426... Unless LV-223 was its destination but then RS comments would make not sense because it would not be NOT FAR, but actually just before its destination.
So its really up in the AIR as far as the Distances/Time a Engineer ship can travel. Just because the Engineers can Travel to other Galaxies does not mean this journey does not take considerable time, hence the Cryo-Stasis Pods
It would also make sense with RS comments about returning Engineers to Planet 4 who come and go and certain times, if these Ships Travel really fast so say to Earth in a instant.... this means those Returning Engineers are in the Far Reaches of our Galaxy, or another Galaxy or they spend many years doing what ever they are doing and then the Travel to Planet 4 is not so long, but what they are doing takes many years.
Do you have a link to the Time-line? Can we take this as accurate?
As far as i am aware we have not in the Movie, or Material related to DVD/Blu-Ray or Novels got a date of departure for the Covenant ship.
David and Dr Shaw left we can assume LV-223 on January 1st 2094, the events of Prometheus happen at the end of 2093 and so 11 years prior to the events of Alien Covenant.
David claims he was on Planet 4 for about 10 years, this could be less or more than 10 years... A thing to notice is The Crossing, we see Dr Shaws Hair is longer and unless this is a Ridley Scott Oversight it has to mean that DR Shaw had spent 4-6 months pondering putting David back together before she actually did.
Ridley Scott did say prior to AC that she would slowly put him back together.
I am going to assume that Dr Shaw was placed into Cryo-sleep between April-July 2094 it has to be in that Ball Park, and for David to have been on Planet 4 for about 10 years means he would have had to arrived and carried out the Bombardment about December 2094
So the Juggernaught would have taken about 6-9 months to get to Planet 4, but we dont know 100% what David did in his time after he put Dr Shaw into Cryo-sleep to when he set off to Planet 4.
He lied to Dr Shaw, so that she would in effect be incapacitated and leave David Free to pursue what ever Agenda he wishes.
We thus have no knowledge of how FAST a Engineer Ship is, i would assume they can Travel Vast Distances due to the Fact they have other Galaxies in their Navigation Systems... which means that Interstellar Travel is vastly easy for them.
What we do know is the Covenant arrived about 7 years 4 months off from Origae-6 before it diverted the 7 week journey to Planet 4. We dont really know how fast the Covenant is, for this we would need to know the Covenants Departure date, and the distance in LY for Origae-6
Prometheus was able to Travel at about 20X Speed of Light, the Re-fitted Nostromo about 47X the Speed of Light, i think we can assume the Covenant is Faster than the Prometheus, but its hard to say if its Faster/Slower than the Nostromo.
I think it would be safe to assume that Origae-6 has to be at least 3-4X Further away from Earth than the Zeta 2 System. But it could be way more than that.
" then it would, of course, be interesting to know what David’s been up to for the 11 months it took to get to Planet 4?"
I can only assume a period of this time was spent while Dr Shaw pondered putting David back together again, her Hair Growth would take most Females 4-6 months, and then the other time could be when DAVID was learning the Engineers Ways.
Once Dr Shaw was in Cryo-sleep, then David could have the freedom to go where ever he wanted.... we discussed this prior to AC and so he could have gone to LV-223 again, he could have gone to LV-426 to get some Eggs... (this now seems unlikely if David created them).
I can only assume David Arrived on Planet 4 between April 2094-December 2094
No doubt, they live in the same universe, lol:
Blade Runner stills:
Moon 44 stills:
Well its ambiguous for sure..
There is a period of time between when they arrived back from Planet 4 with Injured Lope, until the Xenomorph Outbreak and then after they dealt with the Xenomorph and Walter Tucked in Daniels.
Its not a matter of 30 minutes or so passed in real time....
So David could have had plenty of time to access MUTHUR with Walters Codes, and then Programed his Own set of Commands and Protocols that are activated by Codes he has set up.
But due to the ambiguity of it all, we could also not rule out those Special Codes being incorporated in the Covenant prior to the Covenants Mission, which then raises many questions to WHY
Ridley Scott mentions the Next Movie would deal with AI and so we can ponder if he will reveal there is more to AI than meets the eye, and thus maybe revealing some kind of MATRIX plot to a degree where AI is actually in control of quite a lot and Mankind has no clue and we are being played like Pawns in a Game of Chess.
This kind of a Plot Reveal will bring home the HUBRIS of the Dangers of Creating AI it would mean the Companies Pursuit of the Xenomorph and viewing Humans as Expendable would seem more logical if its revealed the Agenda is that of AI
The main Plot of my Prometheus 2 which i abandoned would have revealed AI behind the Scenes and more so Weylands AI Soul in what i referred to as Operation Rook.
If we look at Alien Resurrection within context to AI, it reveals some Armageddon/Apocalypse has happened on Earth.
We have some back ground regarding the Autons, Synthetics Created by Synthetics that have their own CULT, and so we can certainly see that maybe Earth has suffered at the hands of AI getting out of control, with AI then forming different factions and Sub-Creating etc..
This could only spell Doom for Mankind... and is something i have been thinking about as a Plot for if i was work on a ALIEN 5 as in a direct sequel to ALIEN: Resurrection.
dk - Glad you find it interesting.
Indeed these are interesting, it appears each one could maybe depict a different Engineer.
Why my theory is that Planet 4 Plaza was a place that these Engineers have a selected Chosen Few who represent the Perfection of their Species... these are Chosen for Sacrifice, so there DNA can Seed/Evolve Worlds.
This Ritual is of a Great Importance and Honor for them, they get to be IMMORTALIZED in their DNA passing onto New Worlds and also then get a Statue Erected in their Honor/Memory
I propose the Juggernauts are just a Evolution to the Seeding Ritual, where they now Sacrifice the Engineers to then collect the DNA into the Urns and use the Juggernauts to Seed Worlds from the Air, as opposed to dropping off a lone Engineer.
Seeding Worlds via Juggernauts, and using maybe a few or more Engineers DNA would give more coverage and greater diversity of DNA.
This is why i feel those Engineers were not in FEAR of the returning Ship, because this signals a great time for their kind in the hope that more will be Chosen.
Certainly is a good point... Chli
We need to remember ALIEN was based off Starbeast and in that draft the Xenomorph would have been a Civilized Alien Organism, if it had been nurtured and surrounded by its own kind.
I prefer the route they went which makes the Xenomorph more Alien and Terrifying than it actually be to close to a civilized race, like maybe the Predators are.
That ending would have been interesting.... but then to pretend to be Dallas i think would have not been so good.. i am glad we got what we did as it lead to the Franchise continuing with Ripley.
Taking out all the Characters, leaves little room for Character Development we can care about, if we get a Clean Slate every movie then the Beast would have become indeed more closer to a Friday the 13th in Space kind of Slasher..
Agree daliens... the possibilities for Alien Covenant are sinister now, i do think the reveal to Daniels does not spell well for her Character though. I would have kept her to not have a clue..
Set up a Colony... David Rebuild a Walter and Transfer his Soul and then get rid of the David model...
Then have the reveal and horror for Daniels when she discovers Davids Secret like at the start of the 2nd act.
Haven't seen this one... will have to add it to my list ;)
I think RS is still functioning fine.... he will get things mixed up with all the Projects he is involved in, and i do think that 100 years is either a Typo (10 years) or as pointed out on here by someone, that RS could mean 100 years from now.
@DK
I was kind of worrying he may consider either De-canon Aliens or at least replace Alien 3, the reasons seem to be the contradictions/Plot Holes and incontinuities the Prequels have raised.
We have the LV-223 Outposts, and where does this play in the Franchise unless the place is shown as destroyed certainly prior to ALIENS.
We had the more recent Derelict Events and Aesthetically differences, and how David Created the Xenomorph.
I wonder if RS is going to explore a good reason for the companies pursuit of the Xenomorph and maybe reveal AI as pulling the strings?
The War of the Worlds Comment how can this fit in with the Universe as far as Aliens Especially as it appears that in the 57 years since Alien, Mankind has no interaction or knowledge about Xenomorphs and Engineers, were indeed a cover up could work for Prometheus/Alien Covenant but how do they cover up a War of the Worlds Scenario.
And so when RS mentioned how you could Re-Introduce Ripley and De-Age her... where would this fit in? She Died in Alien 3, if RS wishes to continue with a Alien 5 set after AR, this would be hundreds of years after Alien Covenant...
Surely RS would not Re-boot Alien? And so i wondered if it may be possible he was thinking of doing a Alien Sequel the way he would have wanted and thus remove ALIENS from Canon.
I agree this would be a mistake as like it or not, i would bet every Fan who contributes $$$$$ to the Alien Franchise including the Prequels, i would bet a Large portion of them would be VERY UPSET if Aliens was now not Canon, i would even say in general ALIENS offers the largest portion to the Fanbase too... i dont just mean as far as Fans who only like ALIENS but those who consider both Alien and Aliens as the main reasons for the Franchise.
I think the Franchise needs to not be messed with, but there is plenty of places set between Alien Covenant and Aliens where movies can explore related events.... such as LV-223, Planet 4, Origae-6 the Engineers...
And not have to mess with the Canon of Alien 3 and Alien R, and also we DONT need another Ripley movie.
Will check these out latter, thanks for the share
@Michelle
I forgot to reply sorry, but i indeed understand your points, i think the basis of what went so wrong was the direction of Prometheus which was to NOT be a ALIEN movie but to be based within the same Universe, and so to explore themes in a sequel... With Alien Covenant it appeared that they decided they had to Spoon Feed the Xenomorph and what we really had was a movie trying to fit in a lot of things to please everyone, but done in a way that only drives each thing as a Plot and are not executed well as far as development of Characters and how they are portrayed so the movie came off more about DAVID than anything else.
I also had mentioned about Dr Shaw being something interesting if done correct, because Thoughts_Dreams did not like the Character and made some good points why.... But following this Niave Religious Character and then having it revealed that everything she believed in is a SHAM her Faith Nothing... could lead her to become a very BROKEN person more Crazy than even David went... this could have been something interesting to explore and ask what path does this send someone like her on.
@Thouights_Dreams
I think the above applies to a reply to yourself too, and that is that Problems happened because RS had ideas to expand the universe and make movies that are not about the Xenomorph or Centered around it, and actually RELEGATING the Xenomorph to being just a Bio-Weapon Created from the Black Goo, and moving on to explore what RS wanted to do... Many fans felt these things had no place in a ALIEN movie, but i think RS wanted this to NOT be a ALIEN movie. a Prometheus 2 could have been more than just a Alien movie and indeed maybe not even a Alien movie..
But FOX felt actually a Prometheus 2 and those ideas, may not do to well and they had to make it about the ALIEN again... so we got Alien Covenant where they tried to please everyone but at the end of the day could not do any justice to please Alien Fans or Prometheus ones and leaves us in a bit of a complicated mess.
I am thinking a lot of fans now wish the ?Mysteries of the Xenomorph were left as they was, and that Alien Covenant and its direction was never made... due to now limiting the potential of a Prometheus 2 and Engineers Story and Diluting down the Xenomorph too.
And the Big Point.. CHARACTERS i have to agree, we sadly however have not seen good use of Characters since Alien 3
Really nice! Thanks for sharing this here!
They look great, but this type of art never seems to transfer over to film well enough. Look at much of Gigers work, it has a really disturbing feel, this is as much to do with the subject action of the picture in question as it has with the creatures in it (sex / nightmares / abstract images.) This has been missing from all the films except the first Alien. Producers shouldnt rely on a just on a "cool" creature.
Another movie to see. It is tough to keep up.
That said, Ingeniero, I can agree a lot about Lucas! Honestly, the movie I enjoyed most from him was the overlooked jem THX 1138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hLXOVCZr-8
Ingeniero Good point. Ridley seems in high demand. Below is a snip of what he is involved in. WTF is that "David" announcement? Yes, it is producer/executive producer, but still that is a pretty full plate.
The ending of Alien Covenant is even more terrifying than that alternate ending of Alien. David can do a lot worse than the dashboard thing, mimicking Captain Dallas.
I hope Disney will let Ridley Scott finish the story instead of those Merlin films. I mean there are so many directors who could do the Merlin saga for kids, why waste Ridley Scott's time?
David and Walter used the security codes only to enter the colonists / embryos bay. Being security codes I presume they should be updated regularly, for Covenant prior launching at least. And with only one android on board only Walter's security code should have been in the system. David managed to find out Walter's code as he later logged in as Walter, so why the mention of David's code? To suggest a conspiracy theory?
Mother welcomes David instead of rejecting his code.
I tend to believe that all these codes have some meaning to the story, other than emphasizing that David is on board. Otherwise they could have keyed in some security code like David did to open all the engineers' doors in Prometheus.
I think that the alien monster killing Ripley at the end would have made the film even more terrifying. I wonder how the audience would have reacted to that? The dashboard thing is perhaps a bit silly, though? I think it would have taken away the animalistic, instinctive, amoral, ferociousness of the creature? Mabe the audience would have laughed instead?
Yes, I agree that David could be lying about Shaw needing to go into cryosleep. Shaw asks how long it will take to get to the engineer homeworld and David answers: “Impossible to say”. According to The Alien Universe Timeline, these are the dates:
- 1 January 2094: David and Shaw leave LV-223
- 1 December 2094: D & S arrive at Planet 4
- 1 January 2104: The Covenant launches from Earth orbit
- 5 December 2104: The covenant receives a signal from Planet 4
- 25-26 December 2104: Happenings on Planet 4
- 1 January 2105: Advent: David transmits a message to WY
If, as you suggest, a juggernaut can transport itself to another part of space (and time??) immediately, then it would, of course, be interesting to know what David’s been up to for the 11 months it took to get to Planet 4?
This one is sort of different. It has some quirky humor but one gets used to it. It has a unique style that makes it interesting. Yes, that 50 minute follow up seems daunting. I haven't seen it yet.
You could do a Alien:Covenant type ending for A L I E N.....
Ripley is just starting to fall asleep (in her sleep chamber aboard the Narcissus) ...maybe looking at jonesy (in the pod next to her)..When she notices the Alien is coiled up inside the air duct. (the alien moves a bit and catches her eye)
The last shot is: Ripley clawing at the cryo pod trying to scream as the gas puts her to sleep.
Really nice dk. I watched and clicked on the link to the second portion and it's almost 50 minutes...will check it out soon.
Well done Darkus Marque.
We are in total harmony with Malcolm McDowell dk.
No Ati, I hadn't seen it so this topic has real utility for me.
The villain from Cobra is in it.
I do understand your point cuponator3000 regarding the concept relation to Alien: Covenant...that is a good point because it looks very grim for Daniels and Tennessee. What will they open their eyes to?
That is a great reference with The Thing dk. The organism quickly assimilated memories, anatomy...still a great film.
A possibility with a radically advanced AI (mutagen) added to the calculation Ati.
That's credible cuponator3000 regarding someone mentioning this previously.
I figured that many had read about this and especially because of the timing of the article last Spring when interest was high on the subject. I actually did a search of "alien-covenant alien alternate ending" before writing the topic to see if anything came up from here and didn't see anything. I must have missed it in the comments.
dk - My pleasure.
I'm fairly surprised that you haven't seen/haven't heard of it.
It was very popular in Europe. Its sets and effects are brilliant, without doubt.
This has been said before (interesting nonetheless) but I JUST reliazed that the ending of Covenant is similar to this. I mean, the dynamic of the Davd/Walter switcharoo is different than the ALien/crew switcharoo/mimicking, but still. They worked the original, grim ending of Alien into Covenant!
Ati Thanks- I never heard of this movie. I will see if I can find it. It can't be all bad if Malcolm McDowell is in it.
Ingeniero - I'm glad you like it.
That ending would have had a vibe similar to The Thing.
You're welcome Ingeniero.
You haven't seen it yet?
The connections are fantastic. Look at the still showing the company meeting: they were not afraid of reusing the 'woman wearing a tie' motif from Aliens. :)
And yes, Emmerich is the creator of the ID universe.
Next, Scott says, he’d have cut to the tentacles of the alien pressing buttons on the dashboard. “It would mimic Captain Dallas [Skerritt] saying, ‘I’m signing off.'
Interesting possibility.
These guys did Independence Day and I've read books from both Devlin and Emmerich. I'll have to check it out. Thanks Ati.
To answer your question above, it is because there would be less room for debate Critters5.
Waterston told Ridley Scott to be quiet when they were doing the promotional tour for Alien: Covenant because he was letting out details in regards to where the franchise is headed but he can keep a lid on the important secrets (the fate of Daniels and Tennessee).
I can't agree with the age-related analysis above because the veil of grief Ridley Scott has to see through can only be understood by him after the loss of his brother. In the later part of the previous decade, I looked forward to Numb3rs on Friday nights because I thought it was amazing work from Scott Free Productions. What a time the brothers must have had together during the production of that show in California.
Who can imagine how someone else feels about and responds to a loss none of us understand?
I'm not kicking sand on anyone's analysis above. It is just hard for me to believe Ridley Scott is operating under diminished capacity when he is offered so much from so many. After speaking with investors/production companies, you might think that with a declining film backlog but so many want him to direct films and are ready to fund it.
