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Well, I think it shows that RS isn't so much into plot details as visions of how a movie should look and feel. This could, of course, be both good and bad?

While there are base similarities between the two, the Sacrificial Goo and the Black Goo are not the same substance.

Remember not only was the sacrificial goo slightly honeycombed and scattered with golden highlights, when consumed it was imprinted with the Engineers DNA, whereas the totally black goo already had the imprinted template of the Xenomorph. The sacrificial goo also decimated the host, whereas the black goo reconstructed the host.

There is no confirmation on a new Tool album anytime soon- after 12 years I give up. Seems Adam could definitely get busy with something else! Bring it on!

Somewhere in Northern Italy - Bergamo, again...

BigDave well in a further twist of fate and coincidence after Dominic Hailstone's The Eel efforts Hailstone was hand-picked by Adam Jones to direct an upcoming TOOL clip for their new album!!!

Alien: Covenant Effects Artist: New TOOL music video should come this year.

The lines between TOOL and the Alien franchise overlap again

Hmm...Good choices both.I'm currently playing AVP:Extinction on ps2 and there they use a lot of native American style music for the predator campaign. 

BigDave - I was pulling your leg... :D

But that's true, The Last Jedi is a catastrophe. 8D

I'm a little bit happier now since I've seen the two Solo trailers and I think the Star Wars - Solo movie will be awesome. Beyond doubt, Ron Howard knows how a Star Wars movie should look like.

TV-spot/Short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o

Full version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNW0B0HsvVs

yeah my thoughts exactly when i ran my thread the other night lol.Undeniably creepy and Gigeresque(That's a word that should be in the dictionary lol)

This image really jumps out imo- an arm that seems to have fingers, each with hands. Bit of a mind bender there and that is why it is so cool.

I've just found something interesting:

The xenomorphs appearing in the Prometheus Life and Death comics look like some of the new Carlos Huante concept art drones.

Focus on the eyes and the shape of the head:

Some other pages think these artworks were made for Awakening.

Other sites have been asked to take these images down as well.

Khang Le's Paradise Lost concept art is being removed from the different pages...

Thank you for the comics info you added Ingeniero. I've discovered something interesting.

The xenomorphs appearing in the Prometheus Life and Death comics look like some of the new Carlos Huante concept art drones. Look at the eyes and the shape of the head:

http://pixelated-nightmares.tumblr.com/post/170587097838/alien-by-devin-francisco

Interesting. The Eel has more of a mechanical sound overall while Schism sounds more organic. Biomechanical anyone?

Apparently, bees, ants and wasps determine sex through a system called haplodiploidy. A queen wasp mates in autumn and preserves the sperm over winter as she sleeps. When she starts a colony next spring, she determines the sex of her offspring by giving, or not giving, sperm to the eggs she produces (plenty). An unfertilised egg becomes a male. So males have been produced asexually (no father).

In Alien 3, Ripley is pregnant with a queen and in the end, kills herself and the queen. But, in Alien: Resurrection, she is cloned and gives birth to a queen. This queen then produces eggs (with facehuggers) which, through hosts, produce male xenomorphs (drones). So the question is if this is asexual? Was the queen fertilised? How one wonders? :)

Yes, the question is if the xenos need energy to survive (apparently they grow to adults, and very rapidly, without energy - energy as we see it, that is)?

Your suggestion of their propagation is interesting. Would then suggest an asexual one, BigDave?

I think they took something quite simplistic from Prometheus (seemed to follow the same Laws as Spaights Scarabs) and just made it more complicated with each new POST Viral or File they released.

I think its something quite open for debate for sure.

When i saw Prometheus, i was led to connect the Goo, as a Tool that the Sacrificial Goo was a Tool used to Break down a Organism into a Substance/Mutagen that then passes on the DNA of the Organism that ingested the Sacrificial Goo onto other Organisms to create a Hybrid.    Sacrificial Goo plus a WOLF breaks the Wolf down into a Pathogenic Mutagen that would then pass on Wolf DNA and so if this infected a Human we would get a Werewolf like Hybrid...  i saw the connection with the Black Goo that this stuff was obtained by introducing the Mural Deacon or the Fresco One to the Sacrificial Goo to produce the substance in the Urns.

A months after this theory i was led to, the Alien Engineers Draft got leaked and when i read this, i indeed saw how Spaights Scarabs worked IMO how i interpreted the Sacrificial Goo/Black Goo.  I felt this was the basis for the idea, but there are certainly other theories and with the release of the Weyland Viral File, it kind of contradicted some elements of this theory...    and now with the Advent Viral it could kind of contradict it a bit too.

But thats not to say the Sacrificial Goo is the BASE Primordial Ooze, those the Black Goo Variants have been Programed with Xenomorph Strain, maybe obtained by introduction of the Source Ooze with a related Organism.

But its become such a  McGuffin  that i guess if we have to take the Advent at Face Value, then this Substance either by pure accident or coincidence, lead the Sacrificial Engineers DNA to eventually become Humans (i think it took Millions of years of Evolution from this Seeding) or indeed the Sacrificial Goo was somehow Programed to take on Engineer DNA to then start building blocks of Life based on this DNA/Genome.  Which would still mean maybe to get the Xenomorph Programed Version the BASE  substance had to be introduced to a Xenomorph or related Organism.

The other way has to be that the Goo can be Programed, but if this is the case why does the Engineer need to drink it?  If it can be programed to contain Engineer Genetic Code, then why not just pour the Sacrificial Cup Contents into the Waterfall?

If we accept the Goo is one Substance and can be manipulated to change DNA/Genomes into anything, then we would have to ask why would David needed so many experiments?  Or now he has his Creation the Xenomorph, he only needs to know what Code this has to Program the Black Goo to then Produce his Thousands of Eggs.

Maybe they are going this route that the Goo/Ooze is Programmable and can be Programed to take different forms... this could mean David would need BLACK GOO rather than those Face Huggers to "Create what kind of a world he will" so RS says, and for it to not be about the Xenomorph.  But about AI

Then if the Goo is AI, David could use it on the Colonist to basically Evolve them into anything really, even something so different to the Xenomorph or anything we have seen prior.... he could even Program it to turn Humans into Engineers, into Lizzardmen,  Birdmen or anything.

Certainly Interesting

The Soundtrack kind of has the same Theme/Tempo of Dominic Hailstone's The Eel (which RS said he got the Concept are team to reference back to a number of times)

Oh Dear lol

But indeed Prometheus was kind of doing what AVP did just replacing the Predators with Engineers

Now i guess we go to find some Ancient Archeology that connects to the Predators... I think for sure the Egyptian Horus  could be a Ancient Man Interpretation of the Masked Predators lol

Or also the Mayan Death God Ah Puch

It really is open for debate as far as the structure of the Chamber as far as what shape we see, it appears it curves around the corner, but we only see the one side, we dont know if it curves off in the other direction like symmetrical.  So i think the shape is something open for debate if we go the ROUTE the Egg Chamber is not a CARGO HOLD on the Derelict.

I think it looks a Facility, certainly is underground and so it would have to be inside some excavated cave system.   We cant rule out Natural Cave System either, but i still look at this place having far too many signs of Technology/Synthetic Construction, to be a Natural Place...   unless its created from the Xenomorphs just as the HIVE in Aliens is...

We cant rule this out because AESTHETICALLY the Egg Chamber, the Derelict and Xenomorph Hive share a lot of Characteristics.  There had to be a Genetic/Materialistic link.

The only way (this is just my opinion mind) that this was a Egg Chamber that had Eggs that had been there prior to any kind of Technology would be if the Engineers encountered a Cave with Eggs, and then they decided to change the inside of these Caves to some Outpost/Facility to Safely Reproduce and Store the Eggs in a Environment the Engineers/Space Jockey (or who ever created this place) could have better control over the Eggs.

I think the Mist looks Artificial to me, like some purposely designed Protective Barrier.

"Imagine in 10 years we get a Starbeast style prequel to Prometheus? "

Who knows..... i think we can apply some elements of it, it would not fit directly with Star Beast, but it would carry the same Plot/Theme....  So it uncovers some Ancient Alien Race Related to the Xenomorph Ancestral Roots that is long gone, but all that remains in one of their Outposts/Temples are the Eggs.

The Engineers/Space Jockey discover these and this leads to them Experimenting with them etc.

The other side of the story would be something similar to what HR Gigers Concepts show, and Mural for Alien, which is the Engineers are either Self Sacrificing themselves for the Xenomorph... or maybe some other Race or creatures Related to the Xenomorphs, are using the Engineers to Self Sacrifice themselves.

We have to ask WHY?

Maybe the Engineers are created by these biengs or just enslaved.... maybe there is some kind of symbiotic relationship where the Engineers have to Sacrifice some of their Species, but there is some kind of benefit/reward to them for this.     The Engineers could then have created Mankind in order to use us to replace them as far as the Sacrifices, or after a Rebellion by the Engineers,  the beings who are above them and involved in the Agenda of Procreating the Xenomorph related Organisms, could then use a Engineer to Create Mankind to replace the Engineers for the Sacrificial Purpose.

@ BigDave,

What we have seen of the black goos mutagenic traits is an evolution of what Spaights originally imagined. The clue is in the wording, the phrases used - Nano, AI, Pathogen, Genetic.

Think back to the opening scene of Prometheus, the scene where we saw a strand of the Engineers DNA being covered in a black substance before splitting apart. What the "Black Goo" does is similar, but instead of decimating the hosts DNA it reconstructs partitions of it to a preprogrammed template, that of the Xenomorph.

Rather than the scarabs that Spaights originally created, Scott and his creative team have shrunk the instigating agent of the "Black Goo" down to a nano-sized, artificially intelligent, virus - possibly biomechanical in nature, and likely sourced from the Xenomorph itself.

I think its something to consider....

Do these Organisms require Energy?  So do they feed? how would a Neomorphs Dietary requirements differ from a Xenomorph?    The Neomorph could just be feeding on Rosenthhal, it may be consuming Blood, it may also have started to eat other Organic Matter, its a bit open to debate..    We could ask the same of the Xenomorph does it just KILL?

We have the Egg Morph in Alien DC, indeed but we dont know how this process really would work, its something that can be explained in a number of ways?    A Question to ask is the Method of Procreation, and does the Organisms (especially Xenomorph) require Genetic Material to Procreate?

We know this is what say a Female Mosquito requires (Blood).

Regarding the Queen, and Insects, while Camerons Bugs may seem based of them we totally cant be sure how a Queen Xenomorph is created. We can speculate but  this could be something totally Alien and so we may not have/need Males Sexual Xenomorphs.

Some Ants can Reproduce Asexually

I hope if we are ever shown Procreation that its something very disturbing, and different to a degree to Insects... But based a bit on them..

For example, i think the Big Chap Drone, would act as a Sexually Productive Male Flying Ant, only it does not go out to impregnate a Queen... NOPE!  I would go the Egg Morph, where this Drone Impregnates a Human Host with some substance that Alters it to become a ROYAL EGG, and then it would require a host to cocoon for the Royal Face Hugger.

I would like to see a disturbing Procreation for the Queen too,  I would have it where a Queen when given a Male Host, would be able to mutate this Host into a Cocoon that would grow a kind of Xenomorph inside, or indeed a normal Face Hugger, but maybe a different Face Hugger.

I would have the Queen vs a Female Host, use a Proboscis to steal the Females Eggs, and these then go into the Queens Womb where they are genetically altered to become Xenomorph Eggs.

very sensual indeed. almost tender  

hmmm I like the idea of vampiric Neomorphs! Something different but still parasitic 

...and somewhat sensual somehow...

I would if i was DISNEY also consider doing a Graphic Novel to touch upon some of those missing gaps in the Franchise or Potential ideas...   for example... Let Blomkamp give his ALIEN 5 story, or something based on it but only as a GRAPHIC NOVEL then FOX can Gauge the Reaction to this to decide if the Beast is not Cooked and Proceed with a similar Movie.

I know people have concerns with Disney, but they do have the $$$$$$ if they saw Potential in this Franchise they have the cash to do it justice, they just need to take note that the Alien Franchise is unlike anything they have in their vast Library of Franchises, so they would be mistaken to make this a PG Friendly Flick.  Or even add some Goofy Humor etc.

Down the line there is a MARKET for the Franchise, Merchandise, Toys/Figures, Books, Comics and Video Games.   A movie is always a bit more risky...  So they are SMART they would need to remember that doing a MOVIE they have to get it right, if they make a PG movie that discredits the Franchise then they potentially loose on being able to capitalize on Merchandise, and Video Games etc.

They need to REMEMBER they now have TWO Sci-Fi Franchises that would cater for a Audience of ideally 15 +  Year Olds, and to not try and make Movies that would attract 10-12 year olds at the cost of upsetting the majority of Franchise Fans.   Disney are looking into Streaming and Offering a Alternative to Netflix and Amazon Prime, and they have the RIGHTS to TWO big Sci-Fi Franchises in ALIEN and PREDATOR and so they need to remember this means they have Franchises to cater to a different Fanbase than a lot of usual Disney Movies or Super Hero Flicks.

I assume they are aware of this, and i think they would be looking to NOT RUSH into making any movies as they would want to get it RIGHT

I think how mixed the Fanbase has become is a concern for Disney, its how do they make a movie or set of movies that will tick the boxes for most people as Disney will be in it to make $$$$ more than please Fans.   Alien Covenants Disappointment certainly would make Disney have to think carefully where they go from now on...    The new Predator movie likewise, if this movie Bombs or Disappoints then it could cause the same concerns for this Franchise as we have with the ALIEN one.

I am sure at some point RS will try and Plug his Alien Prequel ideas to Disney, i think by doing Merlin it gets RS to show what he can do, so a lot will depend on how RS does with this movie and how well received it is but also how it does Budget wise and at the Box Office... if it Bombs.... then this could not spell to good for RS.   If it looks Fantastic, is done on a good schedule and budget and makes a Profit, then it gets RS on good terms with Disney to PLUG his ALIEN Project.

We can just be hopeful that RS makes some comments around Alien Day on the April 26th, if there is none and NO NEWS even by next ALIEN DAY  April 26th 2019 (Alien's 40th Anniversary) then we can start to get concerned about any ALIEN movies especially any that will involve Ridley Scott.

I am going to CALL this now.... i think there is a good chance we will see a AVP Reboot Movie Franchise, that will introduce the Engineers/Space Jockey with the Predators and Xenomorphs and maybe even use some ideas that RS had with how he wanted to do his WAR OF THE WORLDS with some of Blomkamps ALIEN 5 ideas.

So we could even see WY Finally get what they want, the Xenomorph and then show them Engineer them so they can be Controlled....  YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST ;)

on a SERIOUS note if Disney could consider this, i would if i was them find a Good Game Studio to make a AVP Game, that incorporates such things, includes Black Goo/Spores, Engineers into the MIX... if this Game is Done very very well..  Then it sets up a interest in doing a AVP Movie... if the idea Bombs and does not get interest much, even if the game is not too bad... then Disney would know a AVP movie would not be wise to do.

I would also consider giving Game Rights to a company to make a Game, that visits LV-223, or Planet 4 or even set after Aliens, where they can introduce elements that had been shown in Prometheus and Alien Covenant, if such a Game does well... then Disney can Gauge if a Movie Project would be worth the risk.

Thanks dk! 

It would have been interesting to see the Schism model as an Engineer. Much less clean and masculine, slightly more androgynous, visceral and generally creepy. Where you knew the Prometheus Engineers were physically powerful, you wouldnt know what to expect here, they give more of a lithe strength kind of impression. Quick and spontaneously violent I imagine. 

I think it depends how they go about it, the Derelict could be tackled in a number of ways, and they dont need to really Spoon Feed it but give us a clue...

We could even see Engineers return to Planet 4, discover what David has done... show us them sending ONE ship to Intercept with Walter taken with them, while showing the other Engineers load the Eggs on Planet 4 onto a Engineer Ship, show the Pilot enter the Navigation System and show a close up of him selecting a Moon that surrounds a Gas Giant.

From here they show the Engineer get into his Pilot Chair, and then they just have to do one of TWO things,  show a kind of warning go off, something that causes the Engineer to leave his Chair, then even jump to a scene of him waking up and running to the Pilot Chair...   or instead of him going to investigate, just show a Face Hugger Escaping from one of the Eggs.

They need to SHOW no more, but this should let us know that this SHIP ends up crashing on LV-426 but it leaves it that little bit ambiguous.   The same kind of thing as above could instead be shown as far as a Engineer and the Eggs being moved onto a Engineer Ship when a Engineer Ship has arrived at Origae-6 instead.

I dont think we need the entire step by step, procedure.  But then some could still complain they have not got the Answers, and if we got a STEP-BY-STEP Spoon Fed Event of them taking Davids Eggs, then it leaves no room for Ambiguity and so fans would be up in arms that we are shown that for 100% the Derelict has Davids Creation on it.

There are a number of differences, in-continuities as covered in other Posts, that have to be addressed  but its not to say any would be addressed or changed to fit the indescrepencies. 

*Xenomorph Aesthetic differences (Bio-Mechanical differences)

*Derelict/Juggernaught Aesthetic differences (Bio-Mechanical differences) 

*Space Jockey Size

*Cargo Hold Size in relation to the Derelict

*What becomes of LV-223 by the time of ALIEN/ALIENS

we could also ask the same of Planet 4 and Origae-6, a part of me had been wondering with RS plans and comments and how  the prequels and plans could contradict Aliens on-wards, i wondered if RS was going for a Reboot of the Franchise after ALIEN?

This is great! Tool videos always messed with my mind but thinking of them in terms of the general Alien universe makes a lot of sense to me.

Adam is a fantastic artist and it would be interesting to see what he could bring to the table. It certainly makes one think of the Engineers in a different way- tough to describe.

Thanks for bringing this up!

hmm Predator is an interesting one....maybe Ill Nino or Sepultura for their Latin percussion vibes?

Indeed good points regarding the Camerons Xenomorphs, i was going to mention the same thing but Dark Nebula and Gavin already covered it ;)

Regarding the Xenomorph, this is a tricky one really because the ever changing clues and explanations do make things a bit more cloudy really.  I know MANY fans are holding on to the Xenomorph being Ancient, but i think at the VERY LEAST what we know is there had been related Organisms in the very Ancient Past.

The Advent Black Goo explanation is a bit flawed, its basically ONCE AGAIN Fox Releasing some after movie EXPLANATION that contradicts a bit of what we have been shown, the first time we saw a similar Explanation was the WY Black Goo File.  Where it never needed a explanation if people had read Spaights ALIEN ENGINEERS draft, and FOX should have released some extra information that connected to how Spaights had envisioned the Substance (Nano Parasites)  But ALAS FOX decide to change things which effects a lot of my theories :(

There are a lot of pieces to the Puzzle of the Ooze as David calls it, with the Advent, and every other time we have seen the Substance, i will have to put some effort into getting to the bottom of it now we incorporate the Advent Video.

But i think some can misunderstand what David was saying, he calls it is Ripe with Advanced Nano-Particles and then its essentially a Radical Form of AI ..... In Reality what we have is a component of this Substance that are Nano-Particles that Act as some kind of Mutagen that Manipulates DNA/Genome and Organic Molecules and the AI Element has to apply to this Substance either has a varying effect on different Genomes so it either effects different DNA/Genomes differently or maybe effects the same Genomes in a Different Random Way...  OR that this Primordial Creation Tool can be Manipulated to Effect Genomes in different ways.

So it in essence is a Mutagenic Substance for Manipulating Organic Matter that acts as a Organic Tool that can Reprogram Genetic Codes.... so its like if every strand of DNA/Genome has a Unique Code, so as we can examine the DNA/Genomes of a Rodent, a Ape, a Reptile we will see while a lot of code is shared, there are differences.

If we do this basically, so say a DOG is 1100.1101.1011 and a CAT is 1100.1101.1101 we could see its the last 4 digits of this Code that differentiates between a Dog and a Cat, if we had some Method/Substance were we could take a Cat and change its Codes last 4 digits 1101 to 1011 then the Cate DNA would mutate/change to a DOG

I would assume the Black Goo is a Tool that can Re-code DNA/Genomes, maybe how it does this can be programmed, or maybe its random or dependent on other Factors?  I would still say that unless this stuff can be Programmed, then we still have to look at how some element of the Substance, Breaks Down the DNA Characteristics/Traits of a Organism into a substance that allows for this DNA/Traits to be passed onto another Organism thus causing Hybrid DNA.

@R35

Here is one of the clips they released, there is a longer version on the Blu-Ray. I wrote about it when it was released DAVID'S LAB (BLU-RAY TEASER): DAVID EXPLAINS WHAT THE BLACK GOO IS.

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Excellent choice on Resident Evil IRaptus!I've been struggling with a band for Predator,was thinking a death metal group (please No Austrian Death Machine though lmao)But can't really find the right one.

R35

Yes, you are right about bees and ants, but in that case, we have two very different xenomorphs in Alien (Director's Cut) and Aliens. In Alien it's asexual and eggmorphs and in Aliens the xenomorphs procreate sexually via a queen?

This is also discussed in:

Editorial - Ridley Scott's StarBeast and James Cameron's Xenomorph may not be the same creature?

Bigdave, could Ridley's age and Merlin project play a role in speeding up any possible Alien film in Disney's eyes? 

The more articles I read about the Disney aquisition the more doubtful I am that there will be another Alien movie at all...

Interesting theory. However I wouldn't say that the Queen is asexual... if you look at insects like ants or bees, the queen is impregnated by any number of males.

Wait did the site's design change? It looks even better now.

Bigdave, that is likely how the prequels will end. I'm fine with that if like you said there are  A LOT  of explanations and if we one day get a prequel to Prometheus finally explaining the Silo etc.