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Walter is simply letting David know that he is faulty, and small faults have big consequences. Look at how Hannibal Lecter regards the flautist in Red Dragon, the follow up to Ridley's movie Hannibal. I'm sure Ridley would have seen and remembered this scene.
dk yeah i agree, I think Walter was very politely suggesting to David that he was nuts.
Scrib I like your idea about the Covenant colonists as David's symphony, especially with him strutting through the hypersleep pod deck with that song blaring!
Any news from the second weekend in Japan. BoxOfficeMojo recently uploaded the incomes on the global page. With simple arithmetic we can infer that until now Covenant made 5.8 mil. But I don't if this value includes the last weekend.
I read the notes and composed it myself
dk I think it is pretty safe to say we won't see Daniels again, unless her memory is erased or something like that.
Roger55 I wouldn't pay attention to any "spec scripts". I would pay more attention to the ideas and theories floating around (specially very old ones), some of which are much better than anything we've seen in Covenant.
trokanmariel Yes, that is exactly what I mean. A few humans but crucial to the story. The next one needs a lot of weirdness and unpredictability. I don't think having the Engineers front and center would tarnish the Alien movies legacy. If done right it can put things in context and even provide a setup for the post Aliens movies (in case they decide to declare Alien 3 and 4 non canon). For instance, it can explain why Weyland Yutani wants to get hold of a xenomorph so desperately in spite of being so dangerous.
Ati: My support or not shouldn't be an issue here. What is important is that people get a lot of trouble from that bad weather, some maybe die and so on. A movie should be a non-issue compared to that. What is most important: a movie or staying alive? Once again, the focus of the post is bizarre but I am not sure if you get it and no it doesn't matter if you say that "well it fits because it is an alien covenant board".
That is an interesting observation.
Walter's one note off statement seemed broad enough to me that it could apply to more than one aspect that applied to David.
@Joylitt
I can not complain, i m over the moon knowing that Scott is commanding the helm again, talent has to spare, he already knows what his weak point, [is not a screenwriter or writer], which surprises me knowing such artistic talent, but the Movies World is sometimes odd, even AC is a real Rembrant if you see another Scify films along 2017, I do not think AC had excessive CGI, recently I have seen different scripts and draft concepts along the Net about next Alien movie, I did not like them anyway. Next script should change many things, including David, Covenant ship and of course Daniels as last survivor of the mission. I bet more for Peter Weyland character for ex, and why? I have seen a lot of potential in Jared Leto role as Niander Wallace in BR 2049.
Ripley- You'll never get out of here alive.
I could be on board with Daniels becoming a queen only if the character development was really good so it would have maximum impact.
I could actually be fine with less dying and more transforming/mutations.
The morphs are always neat but I would be ok to have them less prominent.
joylitt Having some humans for the sake of having some humans would be the wrong move; the script should only include humans if it's necessary to tell a philosophical story. Symbolically, it feels more logical to discard humanity entirely for Awakening because of the intense anti-human stance of Alien Covenant. Covenant's story is very much to do with attacking human-centric ideology, and so it feels logical to have Awakening represent that attack by including no humans.
The Engineers are a very risky idea as well, because having Engineers as main characters and even just as supporting characters would run the risk of destroying the classic movies; although in fairness I couldn't give a crap about Alien and Aliens at this point. If the Engineers can tell a great story but have to destroy the 1979 and 1986 films, so be it
trokanmariel I like that idea. A movie with just Engineers and no humans. That won't happen but a story that still features a few humans can be an Engineer movie in spirit.
Call replies firmly, "Not so long as there's a breath in me."
We're like neighbors dk in some futuristic, highly computerized and technologically advanced world analogy that we kind of live in. I was just hoping you weren't falling out of interest of this thread. It would hurt my feelings :( I guess the problem with it, though, is that people can move faster than you can say, "Xenomorph.")
Yes, you are right. You cannot please every fan. But at least you can try to not offend most of the fans. And BTW the fans alone don't make a profitable movie, so the main focus should be to engage a larger audience with a groundbreaking story. Actually that's the word the Fox CEO recently used. Some of points you mention sound like formula. However, I would highlight your point # 5: answering questions, and not in a viral video, and not in the form of exposition. They have to embed those answers into the narrative through inquiry and revelations. And those revelations should not be predictable.
I'm apprehensive over Awakening mainly because of Upworth and Ricks, but also because of Covenant's overall sublime art. Bringing back Tennessee and Daniels can make sense, due to the intense evil nature of Alien Covenant's ending, but at the same time the evil nature of the ending was deeply philosophical. The other thing, is that the evil nature of the ending helps the meaning of Upworth and Ricks, so that would be reason to not bring back any crew members.
I think Awakening needs to revolve around the Engineers, and not feature any human characters; this would help the symbolism of 1979's Alien, as it would mean that the 1979 film would be a definitive human story whereas Awakening would be a definitive alien story, just featuring extraterrestrials
The capture was a screen-grab Ati (mac: shift, command, and 4...simultaneous). Thank you again for links to Hallett and Hatton's material.
Ati Linking Adam and Eve to Upworth and Ricks could make sense; what's definite, is that Upworth and Ricks put the priority of the mission above the safety of the Covenant crew. So they would seem to be protectors of the larger good. They never reach the planet, which is associated with individualism. The protectors of utilitarianism get slaughtered by individualism.
Emotionally, the interpretation of utilitarianism is neither here nor there. Utilitarianism is about the value of endgames, and in the film the concept of endgame gets attacked. This would then seem to make Upworth and Ricks into negative symbols, and my own emotional outlook is to want to see Upworth and Ricks as positive symbols
nice! Im counting down the minutes to read this
1. get out
2. covenant
3. it
4.war for the planet of the apes
5. hoping that blade runner 2049 will make my list trailer alone makes my top 5.
Aight, thanks Big Dave.
IRaptus - There were some early concept art images of Covenant showing ships looking like the Icarus.
Alien is, of course, my favorite movie. Prometheus is my second, and Alien: Covenant is my third.
I didn't get to see Kong: Skull Island when it came out in March, but when I saw it a dollar theater back in June, it was a surprisingly refreshing movie experience! I'm looking forward to its crossover with Godzilla.
Also, War for the Planet of the Apes was a very good movie, driven by the uniqueness of its premise and plot. I hope this isn't the end of the franchise!
I'm looking forward to Blade Runner 2049's release in less than 3 weeks!
that last one Near the Sun is definitely a nod to the Icarus from Sunshine :)
which is a cool ship
Thatttwhich iwwwwwwwhich iwhiwww
'Hopefully we get some more news soon.'
Can't wait. My personal theory is that we will be informed about a new Alien movie after the first weekend of Blade Runner 2049.
BigDave - It reminds me of the ship Prometheus. :D
The beacon and Shaw's journey on Paradise I feel Scott wants to be ambiguous for the time being, to leave as much mystery as the original Alien did. I'm sure we'll get either a novel or comic in the future to detail what exactly happened.
I have the feeling that Scott wants the answer to this beacon question to stay in darkness forever.
It kind of reminds me to a degree, of a different take on the Blake 7 TV Show Liberator Ship ;)
'Of course AI/Weyland-Yutani could be sending them to the Origae system because they know something is there'
Yes, I agree with you, I think something similar is in the background.
I think the Crossing gives us a lot of clues... thats provided they are not just a massive lazy oversight by FOX/RS.
Its been discussed quiet a bit prior to the movies release.
Leads me to a Logical Explanation that Dr Shaw took Davids Body to another Hanger, and boarded a Engineers Juggernaught where one of TWO things happened.
1) David informed Dr Shaw that she would need to completely re-attach David before he could operate the Ships. This is something Dr Shaw was not prepared to do, she had to think hard as once David is back together she would be a little at his Mercy... so she went to recover supplies to last her a few Months while She and David built up a Trust to the Point She Re-attached him and they then left LV-223.
2) David informs Dr Shaw the journey is long, he can get the ship into Space with her Help, but she would not survive the journey and would need to go into Cryo-sleep which would need David to modify the the device, which would require him to be put back together... Dr Shaw had a conundrum, and she bargained to help David get into Orbit, but then she was cautious about putting David back together and so she decided prior to leaving and agreeing to Davids Offer, she would collect Supplies so she could survive for as long as she could in Space without being in Cryo-sleep.
Then again as per Option 1, it was a matter of Months before David had gained her Trust, and also maybe Shaws Provisions were running low and so she then re-attached David.
One of these TWO Scenarios are what i think must have happened... and it was really what i hoped the Prequel Novel would cover.. Until we found it it was actually a Covenant Mission Prequel.
I agree with BigDave:
"I however dont like the Origae-6 reference, i think its a bit to coincidence that the Prometheus Crew go off to a World that the Engineers used as a Outpost, to then have the Survivors off to a World that the Engineers inhabit and then a Human Ship just happens to end up being within 7 Weeks Travel from this place.."
I thought Origae-6 is well mapped and they know what is there? They seemed to know it was a good fit for a colony. ?
Of course AI/Weyland-Yutani could be sending them to the Origae system because they know something is there? and AI/WY have been lying to them("it's perfect for a colony! Go build your cabin!")...Conspiracy angle.
"I am worried FOX/RS have given up a bit on David Arc, and the Giant well not so Giant Humanoid Engineers and all the Philosophy etc"
I don't think this'll be the case considering Ridley is keen on this story. He listened to the fanbase once and now they're out for his head hopefully means he just won't lol If Awakening is to have any impact it must build on the trajectory already set in place by Prometheus and now Covenant which I believe is what Ridley always had in mind. To contradict or give up now would result in nonsense imo. Hopefully we get some more news soon.
I will have to read this Space Beast ;)
Indeed Morse was interrogated, and it would have been nice to maybe got some insight to what happened to him... But it appears maybe the Company realized after the loss of Ripley that its just a BUST...
Until a much latter date United Systems Military successfully clone a Ripley from her DNA
Lawrence of Arabia - Thank you very much!
Ingeniero - I wanted to use that female Engineer image from Hatton's page as well, how did you copy it? :)
"Why are there three of this topic?"
Happens sometimes... ive locked the others.. and sometimes it happens when your making a Topic and the Server or your connection is closed/crashes. Other time is if the user is a New poster and their Topics will not appear right away.
But the more posts like replies/activity you have the sooner you posted Threads will appear.
I am concerned myself...
I think i can work out the plan they had... which would maybe need at least TWO movies... maybe a 3rd if David gets up to much Shenanigans on the Covenant.
I am worried FOX/RS have given up a bit on David Arc, and the Giant well not so Giant Humanoid Engineers and all the Philosophy etc
I think they will cover the Xenomorph as far as how we get to so many Eggs, i fear this means we will get a Proto-Queen.. which may not mean a Xeno Queen but at least some Hybrid that many Eggs can come from...
We we get links and a Story that now takes us away from the Prequels about Davids Journey and bring in the Ripley Family Store :(
And i think he will introduce us to another Race that will play a key role, and i wonder if this will show us the Engineers in a much more lesser light... and they are just Pawns for some other Race.
i only hope they can tie in the Ancient Mythos to these beings, and that RS is not gonna give us some Race who are more Alien and have nothing to do or link to mankind's interpretations of GOD
Which may still work out ok.... im just concerned about the QUEEN and RIPLEY... No thanks.. been done to Death... Give us the New Born instead lol
