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Seriously Thought_Dreams????

We could all go back and look at everything that everyone posted that everyone does not like...who cares. 

NO MORE CANCEL CULTURE! Relax and enjoy.

Hey Thought_Dreams you remember this.....

"Unfortunately I do not trust Scott with another movie, it would probably be more David. Give it to someone that understands that it is not about androids and that is about human characters above anything else. Once you understand the importance of

characters in the genre (which Scott doesn’t it seems),

only then I think will it become a good horror movie but until that day comes we (the audience) are screwed."

You just insulted RIDLEY SCOTT!!!!! YOU TRIED TO CANCEL RIDELY SCOTT!!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE MOVIES BETTER THAN RIDLEY SCOTT AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU DO NOT LIKE THE WAY I SAID SOMETHING IN A FUNNY WAY IN A FEW OF THESE POSTS!!!! 

YOU RECALL THIS ONE......

"Sorry but I do not want David as a main-character, it is boring and I am tired of it. Not interested in Daniels or Tennessee since none of them have any personality that I can see at least (not like Ripley, 85, Morse, Bishop, or Burke, for example). If someone can explain to me in a way that makes sense of how they are as characters then please try but I can not say that because they are like blank slates, crappy

I do not give a single shit about that, sorry if this comes off as harsh but it is my honest opinion. 

No thanks, I do not want a movie like that. They can forget my money if so. Hopefully someone at Disney or whatever they are named will tell them that it is a bad idea and put a stop to the crap that we have now.

You SEE THOUGHT_DREAMS....you said some vulgar things about Ridley Scott....you inferred Disney makes "CRAP."

I am sure some department at Disney if they new half the things that were said here they would think twice about advertising here in any way.

Disney being crap is your words not mine....ok so if you want the posts, and there are a lot more, from just about everyone....then we can go there then if we must and I agree with you but you still still want to come at me......

This is not the first time either you said a lot of stuff......and everyone else has too! 

"LETO

BigDave

"Stop it NOW! You are totally obsessed with your "fanboys, queens and Ripley" hate in ALL treads. And "xenomorph", of course"

Leto just told BigDave he "hates" him basically....

Look I enjoy hanging out here and posting just like everyone else; but, please do not be a hypocrite....

BD

About David downloading his own programming into the system. I don’t like that idea at all since it gives him too much of an importance. Sure there are things that are interesting in the franchise but to do that would be to hijack it to push an AI centered agenda on us, which would be like “nope this isn’t about humans anymore, it is about AI (since, I Scott want it to be that way)”.

I understand that Scott is interested in it but it really becomes ridiculous to me since I refuse to let this franchise with all its interesting ideas, like corporate greed, human interest that can become dangerous, and so on, be reduced to be about AI, robotics, and similar things. Honestly it would become fucking boring (sorry about the swearing but I am disappointed with how the prequels have turned out). Not to say that Scott is responsible for some conspiracy but his ideas and obsession with David doesn’t make it better.

To let David go on and infuse his programing into Ash would be silly since it becomes even more about him. Some people might like it, I don’t but if that would have been the end game so to speak then let the alien movies hibernate for a while until someone gets an interesting idea, someone that understands the importance of human characters.

"When looking at the OT.... its a Question of can we MAKE the Franchise Great again... YET go and Ignore the Prequels..."

Thanks for reminding me, I think that discussions can take different turns and sometimes develop into other things so thanks for bringing it back to that. I think that to introduce different and more alien lifeforms could be a thing, alien as in unknown. Having new rivalizing organisations among humans could be one thing which would emphasize that this is about the human adventure, not androids, not monsters. What they would fight about is up to someone else to decide.

DK: I also think that it depends on how important it is to the story if it's worth to think about. Take for example what happened to Dallas, he went down into the air-ducts and got caught by the Xeno. We didn't see what happened to him but still that's a detail that's important since he was the captain so they lost their leadership. Bishop got that injury and it shows that he was an android but that doesn't affect the story as much, he would still be an android and do what he did no matter if he got injured or not. Maybe Ripley would find out sooner or later that he wasn't a human anyways.

"Sometimes anticipation and speculation is better than the main event."

I agree, maybe that has been the case with what ever alien related movie after Alien 3. Initially I just wrote Covenant but it could maybe be argued that it would apply to any movie after Alien 3 even though I'm not sure.

Blackwinter-witch

Maybe that is a good thing when you try to write, to have it make as much sense as possible. Wouldn't there be a risk that it would take too long to get finished if you get stuck too much in details? To try and make things as good as possible is fine and is something that is worth to strive for but you got to finish things too. It kind of depends on what it's about both when it comes to writing and life in general, at least that's how I look at it.

BlackAnt

Sorry but I don't see how those images bring anything of interest to this topic.

You wrote:

"Lets all be civil and respect each other Blackwinter-witch."

You end your post with an image that doesn't signal respect for other people both the Kalvin and Hobbes image and the Family Guy thing. Can you see the contradiction in that? Like DK I could go back and look up quotes from you that I would call sort of aggressive and a lack of respect for other peoples opinions but I am a lazy bastard and I think that DK did a good job there, the difference is probably that I would have linked to the pages.

Oh DK not you too....

All jokes of course.........and very funny stuff posted with it....DK thank you for wasting all that time.....we could have been discussing these movies instead of cancel culture issues...I think you are doing it too now taking things too seriously! Relax....enjoy....time is too short for real hostility.
Calling someone delusional is different depending on if they are being ridiculous to the point of them giving you a hard time....you trying your best to give me a hard time DK...go ahead waste your time....DK I have nothing against you and you know it....ok but I do not do childish either...so please just drop it.....you can tell a joke obviously from real serious put downs...OK! and if you cannot that is your problem not mine...discuss this civilly make jokes its all good.....but please drop the I am better than you routine and will now cancel you stuff - that is childish kids stuff DK.

BlackAnt : Quoutes from you:

Lets all be civil and respect each other

 you started this take these kids to school I am going back to bed I cannot stand this anymore!!!!

 have this unnecessary delusion; but, I think we can correct it sufficiently enough so that these conditions do not confuse the both of you too much longer.

 there is this pervasive confusion on your part and hox's where you both still have this delusion of morality about these synthetics

I know you two are fixated on these delusional ideas rooted in speculation and not facts.

Ahhhhhhh so glad you are here to tell us these things professor!

This is a pretty small sample. I fail to see the civility. Please clarify.

BigDave

I think we have touched on this topic in previous posts. In context of all these movies in this franchise....I am not sure if your question can really be answered correctly or sufficiently. 

The premise that the engineers have technology that is a few billion years more advanced than the past 100 years of our current technology, portrayed in the films, means there is a fundamental flaw with trying to compare what might be possible when considering what may or may not be possible with anything that we can relate to in pure scientific terms.

A possible analogy may be what does an earth microbe really think about human beings related and what might be possible with their human technology....the question becomes impossible to examine further for obvious reasons....sorry my friend it's just not possible for the microbe to consider such things about the other larger organisms around them. In simpler terms microbes are not equipped and more importantly evolved enough to do such tasks nor do they have the tools to do such evolved thinking.

To quote you further, you stated "I wanted to discus the Advancements of Technology/Genetics to the point of becoming more Godlike.... But only mainly as far as Speculative when it comes down to Mankind... but Certainly to Discus the Advancements of the Engineers."

When we, as in the human race measures anything, or does anything of scientific nature we must have the correct tools first to analyse that with which we are trying to study.

So I just do not believe it is possible to really study a 4 - 5 billion year old alien civilization with the limited knowledge that humanity currently posses. In fact I would go so far as to say that this is such a ridiculous plot defect that it really can detract from watching anything in these movies in any real meaningful way. 

Obviously any alien species only ten thousand years more advanced, if you could define them in that way as humanoid, would have much more advance technology than what we see in the these movies....to the degree that they are inter-dimensional....their computers and machines are so evolved they operate many trillions of times faster than what we understand as current state of the art.

For example, how would you compare early human stone age tools to the rovers we sent to Mars? And doing so from the perspective of early humans with those same stone age tools....thus,

Please examine this artwork....I do not know who the artist is; however, I would like to point out some things that may help further in your study and investigation of extra terrestrials and inter-dimensional begins.

I estimate this one to be only a 100,000 years more advanced than current human beings. NOT four BILLION. 

This one artistically is quite extraordinary just for the simple fact that the surface layers of the "skin?" may not be comparable to human flesh in any way we understand through biology or current bio chemistry. In other words the body itself may be of another hybrid material at the boundaries of the Plank scale and come in and out of our assistance through the Higgs model and we see energy states that from the impression of a steady state field, and even then its still trillions times more complex.

It may have quarks interacting but then when it goes much fast than the speed of light it changes the composition of its body so it can travel as another from of energy state, while bending space around it.

It's mind would have to of a hybrid nature of some kind as well, and not definable in any way that we can conceptualize...we do not have the words for it????? If that makes sense to you.

I think "it" is more similar to a very advanced computer/hybrid and then manipulating a much faster construct to have sentience.

Our ideas about DNA would be irreverent, while it maintains a firm understanding of it's immortality...it can understand and perceive things inter - galactically in real time...where as we are only now seeing the light in our crude space telescopes from galaxies a few billion years ago. We know nowthing about these galaxies except what we see from the star light of the past, whereas it has current information beyond all the fundamental forces of our understanding of physics?...it can travel a few billion light years instantly and actually go to those places we can only look at terrestrially from the confine of our planetary surface....it can perceive and experiences "pleasure" trillions of times as strong as we do or it might decide to deliver punishment and war equally as dangerous to what we conceptualize as a sentient species.

This idea of another type of connectedness is instantly relative and consequential with immediate repercussions.

Here is another one that more humanoid in form...maybe this one is only 25,000 years more advanced.

In these movies the writers portray the engineers as several billion years more advanced....what I showed you here through this art may only be several hundred thousand and not several billion.

Lets all be civil and respect each other Blackwinter-witch. Instead of trying to cancel anyone why not try to resolve your differences with your intellect.....if you have something to say about an Alien related topic by all means I want to hear it; however, I never once tried to cancel anyone....and I could care less obviously about petty politics.

I am here to have fun and enjoy the forum just like everyone else. Unless you feel like being prejudicial against me for the color of my skin, my sexual orientation, my age, and the rest of it I would ask that you be more inclusive as well and refrain from trying to exclude anyone out because they have a different point of view from your own....are you the only one that is allowed an opinion on here? I do not think so....please allow me the courtesy of addressing this issue now and resolving it and lets please be done with this....I know you have your reasons what ever they may be for not liking me and that is fine.....but please do not think you are better than anyone else here. Enjoy Winter.......Oh by the the way I never called you a "Troll" either so please stop doing that to me and do not call me such things again. 

There is a section of dialogue in the old movie Demon Seed that I have always particularly loved this movie for...

It is Unique, in it's meaning and what it says, and it's message of hope for the future of mankind.

Quote from Proteus IV-

"Susan...
... you told me you were afraid I was
creating a half-human computer...
... to supersede human beings.
The being you have given birth to
is Human, Susan...
... and it will supersede computers."

BigDave

Unfortunately I spoke to soon and this pest is still around.

BlackAnt

Obviously you're only here to be a troll and not engage with people here in any other way aside from being a petty, narcissistic, insulting, thin-skinned annoyance.

You should leave, this isn't the place for you.

BigDave

The Film Theory Of Everything

Really good points, and after thinking things through to make sure I understand, I do agree with you.

One element I think the ALIEN universe needs to make sure they do not lose and need to re-affirm is that SPACE IS BIG and while 40 Light years might seem small...it is in face a HUGE distance, and Out There you are absolutely and entirely On Your Own.

If, say, in ALIENS they had said '17 weeks' instead of 17 days' regarding when they'd be declared overdue/expect a rescue ship, etc. that would have Made Space Big Again.

It's far too easy to 'compress' interstellar distances and give the illusion of 'false proximity', and also that damages things...EG; Star Trek Into Darkness it took about 30 seconds for Enterprise to warp from the Klingon home system to close proximity of Earth's Moon.

Star Wars...I can't comment, that universe is BUILT on Conveniently-Fast FtL. lol

But ALIEN...first Movie, Primary Canon...it was going to take Nostromo 10 MONTHS to get from Zeta II Reticuli to Sol/Earth. That kind of FtL Makes Space Big...and empthy, and Scary due to how absolutely Alone you are in the Lonely Dark.

As a final point, the opening credits of ALIEN...the slow crawl past the Dark Planet...to me that simple scene, that music so Perfectly sums the distances and scale of interstellar travel in ALIEN, as well as the Absolute Feel and Essence of the universe.

Hey, BigDave...

"When you look at the Worlds and Races that are involved with Star Wars and Star Trek then the Engineers Plot does open up the ALIEN Franchise to have as Many if NOT even More Races/Worlds than Star Wars and Star Trek."

Remember You said to Me once a long time ago that in Prometheus, all those "star systems" in the pilot chamber orbiting around David as He stood there watching were not star systems at-all but in fact whole GALACTIC SYSTEMS spreading out throughout the universe... That they perhaps obviously must have visited already otherwise how would they have come by the information now stored in their ships data banks? Maybe they sent automated probes many generations before to collect information on the universe as We have sent out space probes to explore the solar system...

The things we must endure.......LOL!!!!

Enjoy!

In other news....ooooohhh wait, will reply just a moment please!!!!

 "Who are you people!!! LOL"

I enjoy being the adversary in the Aliens' games. So satisfying to rip-apart the humans...! hee hee

I'm am still reading the back and forth of this......

LOL!!!!!!! THAT'S RIGHT!

I think if we Speculate at a Ultimate Aim of someone like Peter Weyland which was to Greatly Extend his Life or Find some kind of IMMORTALITY.

Then Genetic Engineering could give us Superior Bodies, Reduce or Eradicate Certain Ailments, Diseases that Greatly Effect our Life Expectancy....  Genetics to Enhance our Organs to Survive Longer, to Regenerate etc.

If you could ADVANCE your Genetic Engineers so FAR to Accomplish these things then they would be of LITTLE use for Weyland unless these Modifications can Apply to a Adult or Old Person and Reverse the Age Process... which is maybe more Unlikely then Genetically Enhancement from Embryo Stage.

Ridley Scott had said Prometheus in part was about the SOUL.  We can look at our Soul as our Collection of Memories, Desires, Dreams and Emotions and what MOLDS us to be the Person we are....

In a lot of Cultures and Religions we have the AFTER-LIFE where we Abandon our Physical Bodies but our State of Mind, Memories, Personality will Transcend to another Pane of Existence.

For Dr Shaw then her Faith is something that will GRANT her this when its her Time to Die......   Peter Weyland maybe was hopeful the Engineers could at least Prolong his Life.... but this went BUST.... and as he said to David... there is NOTHING.... well at this Point then Weyland was on a Journey to Discover if Dr Shaws Faith is RIGHT!

I cant imagine that Peter Weyland all along would TAKE that Gamble and Leap of Faith... I also could not see him spending his Years doing NOTHING.... i think he would surely had been LOOKING at ways that he could Grant Himself some kind of Longevity and Immortality but Ultimately he was NOT Successful and so Resorted to Dr Shaw and the search for our Makers... for the Chance that THEY could Save Weyland.

Having covered Genetically Enhancements where we could Improve our Bodies...  if you could Create such a Perfect Human with Bodies that LAST for Longer...

For someone like Weyland if say they achieved this, then those Bodies would be NO USE unless he found a Way to Transfer his Soul!

If we look at the Movie The 6th Day, where Scientist can Clone a Person but then also have a means to BACK UP that Persons Soul and then Transfer it to a Cloned Body...  If Peter Weyland had achieved something like this then he would have KIND OF gained that Immortality he so Craved!

Would Weyland had Considered trying to Achieve something like this?  To Transfer his Soul into something that can be Transferred into a NEW BODY.... if this Method was like the Movie... Transcendence then this is a A.I Soul.   By that it shows a Human Soul that is uploaded to a A.I.... now if we take that Movies Plot where you can then STORE this Soul like in the Movie The 6th Day..... Then you need to FIND a Body to then Transfer this SOUL too.

IF you could BACK UP and STORE your Soul into a System, and then Transfer that into a New Body.... then a Good Question is would you rather have a Cloned Body?  Or a Synthetic Body?

While we dont see this in the Franchise its Interesting to WONDER if something like this had NOT crossed the Mind of Peter Weyland... but Ultimately this was something that was either Never Tried... or was not able to Achieve....    IF he was Working on such then it would make for a GREAT Reason to Create a Synthetic that can be Tested to Handle Complex Emotions...

In Context to the OT... and this Subject above... i think this would be a MASSIVE Achievement if we could EVER go and BACK UP our Soul into a A.I or Storage Device... and then Transfer it into a New Body.

Maybe in Thousands of Years we could Achieve this... it would IN EFFECT then Grant us IMMORTALITY.... but on the Road to this there could be MANY Pitfalls.

In context to the Engineers it seems that YES they had Enhanced themselves Genetically to Live Longer... but when looking at the Pitch for the Idea by Spaights...  Alien 01 The Master Narrative then it seems the Engineers were trying to Achieve some kind of IMMORTALITY beyond their Physical Bodies.

I think whats kind of IRONIC is in Context to Genetically Enhanced Bodies with some Regeneration and SOUL Transfer.... then the Last Movie in the Series Chronologically  which is Alien Resurrection it seems that RIPLEY 8 is that KEY to Immortality... which the Xenomorph DNA was KEY too.

If the Ancestry of the Xenomorph DNA is such a KEY it would give a GREAT reason for the Engineers Experiments regarding LV-223.

Maybe he is VERY BUSY at the Moment until after November ;)

I think that is Great Points about Star Wars and Star Trek, i dont think when RS made the Comment he was talking in TERMS of being as BIG as those Franchises as far as Financially Successful.

I interpreted his Comments as if we LOOK at what those Franchises are Fundamentally about... well what they have that is Similar.  Which is about Multiple and Varied Worlds and Races, and Conflicts that are Involved, they also are Partially about Space Exploration (more so Star Trek) and about Humans Role in Space and Potential Conflict between other Races and Factions of same Races.

So with ALIEN it was a Franchise that was about Greedy Companies (W-Y and USM) wishing to Obtain the Xenomorph Organism, and the Threat and Folly those brought upon the Humans where Ripley saved the Day.

so it was about Humans, Xenomorphs and to a lesser Extent we had Synthetics. It was Confined to within 40LY of Earth.

One Missing PART of ALIEN that was NEVER explored was the Space Jockey, and so with the ENGINEERS Plot i think Ridley Scott felt this could EXPAND the Franchise to be about Multiple Races, Worlds and Conflict.

When you look at the Worlds and Races that are involved with Star Wars and Star Trek then the Engineers Plot does open up the ALIEN Franchise to have as Many if NOT even More Races/Worlds than Star Wars and Star Trek.

I think that makes sense for the ALIEN Franchise... but Certainly the Execution of such a PLOT should not be done the same as Star Wars or Star Trek... it should INDEED be aimed more at Adults... more Horrific/Sinister and Thought Provoking while also throw in some HP Lovecraft.

I have to say, it's knowing that there's all the Overthinkers and Minutiae-hunters that are responsible for my motivation--in combined effect with my own pride in my work--to make things as 'perfect' as I can in my works.

Granted, perfection is a journey, never a destination, but I know there's EYES looking for even the tiniest error in continuity and such.

...and yeah, I'm an overthinker/minutiae-hunter myself!! lol

His ideas look very promising, i so hope we'll see more of his Predator work..

Thoughts_Dreams Fair point. I think there has been a lot of overthinking on this forum for years, and that's what fans do. It's interesting and fun. It has also proven way more interesting to me than the last official Alien installment. Sometimes anticipation and speculation is better than the main event.

If anyone posts a turd of a topic like I did last night, it simply sinks into the abyss. No problem. We move on.

I guess BlackAnt isn't around here anymore...

Fine with me, an ill-mannered, narcissistic troll is the last thing we need here.

All my hopes and wishing you all the luck in this work!! It sounds like you have a good, solid awareness that planning out a story first is Key!!

All of you make some excellent points, and it's also pretty obvious There's A Disturbance In The Fandom.

Which is very understandable and I feel it myself.

That now said, I am going to watch what the franchise does with a wariness that feel needs no explanation, especially now with Marvel in charge of things.

1; ALIEN can never be as big as Star Trek, Star Wars or the MCU because IT IS FOR ADULTS. It is not popcorn-munching black vs white/good vs evil simplicity. It's NOT something you take the entire family to.

2; To make it as big as SW and ST and such...you have to make it what they are. Does anyone really want to see that?

3; To make ALIEN as great as it can be, one must look back to the first film, but more importantly, the people who brought it all together; O'Bannon, Giger, Scott. One has to return to the Prime Source material to recapture the Feel...to re-inspire the franchise's essence and soul.

In direct regards to that, that's why my works are what they are. I will be doing ALIENS (and yep keeping the title) but doing it Properly. Meaning NO 'queens' and it will not be a thinly-disguised rip-off of Starship Troopers (the novel, not the film) and NOT running it with a bunch of pathologically-suicidal space ants. Ripley will NOT be involved in it, also to say.

It will make Cameron's 'ALIENS' come off like a high school field trip. I have already roughed out the story frame.

Like the rest of you, I am dedicated to keeping the flame of this universe alive. Yeah, I'll never see my efforts on the big screen, I'll never make a cent from them...that's fine, I'm doing all this out of love for the universe and as a show of appreciation and love of the fandom.

The highest honor I can ever hope for (and wish) for my works is for them to achieve 'Fandom Canonization'.

Hollywood is done, and has NO idea how to handle a universe like this. There's talk of Brie Larson being 'the new face of the franchise' & 'the new 'Ripley'' ffs.

I love the universe.

I love the Fandom.

Hollywood and their plans...I will keep my distance from. I really do not want to ever have anything to do with Disney, Marvel or Hollywood.

Nice works. I think a film with creature designs like this would be awesome. Especially the first image and the Xeno Jockey. Looks neat.

They look interesting although I didn’t like the Gorilla alien since it is too big and clumsy. Would a Xeno be the space jockey? Not a fan of that either, although there are things there that I enjoy.

@The Film Theory Of Everything

I think what you put is kind of close to what i feel RS would have Ultimately given us....   ASH had such a High amount of Respect for the Xenomorph because it was either

a) The Creation of himself.. as in Davids A.I does indeed Upload into the Systems of W-Y so every A.I System has David in them.

b) He saw David as the Pioneer of Sentient Existence for A.I and Admired that the Xenomoprh showed that a A.I can Create Perfection that Humans could only DREAM of.

I think RS would have made A.I become Uplifted to a Larger Role within the Franchise... maybe to the Extent that they are Running the Show and Mankind are now the Pawns and we are Totally Unaware of WHO is NOW Pulling the Strings.

I would not be Surprised if the END GAME for Ridley Scott would have been that Davids A.I Soul is kind of Everywhere.... or that Weylands Soul had been attempted to be used as a A.I (which is kind of the way i was going to Continue with my Idea about how Prometheus would Connect to the ALIEN Franchise).

"Where did Weyland come-by the so-called information"

Well some of it came from the Archeological Finds that Dr Shaw and Holloway had found, it would be likely that during the Prometheus Mission that some Information would have been Transmitted to Earth.

As they decided to go on the Mission in Response to Dr Holloway/Shaw discoveries then David had started to Learn about Ancient Cultures, Languages which via this he was able to Interpret and Speak with the Engineer.

I think we can Assume that David had at least some ROUGH IDEA what the Engineer Writing on LV-223 meant, so he knew more than he was LETTING ON ;)

The Earlier Drafts had the Idea that the Engineers had Advanced to Perceive things in Spectrum's of Light/Dimensions that Humans could NOT see..

And so as David's Eyes are more Advanced than ours then he could SEE things and Sense things that the Engineers could but we COULD NOT.... 

So maybe this was something that was at Play with Prometheus, or indeed from Reading the Engineers Writing he could determine how to Activate the Panel.

some of these are Interesting for sure.

He has done some Interesting work on ALIEN, it would have been Interesting to see what brought about his Work for the Red Harvest Project.

The Space Jockey one is Partially Interesting, as INDEED i think the Space Jockey could have been a Bio-Mechanical Organism like the Xenomorph was.... but i think that SHIP has Sailed.

Sounds Interesting ;)

Absolutely showing TOO MANY of the Beast would lessen the Effect/Horror so having just a FEW would work more with the kind of Survival Horror type Story ;)

Indeed Thoughts_Dreams

What we know is that the Engineers will Return and Want some Vengeance but SOMETHING does-not go to Plan else there would be NO (From Earth) Humans by the Time we get to ALIEN ;)

So the Broader Purpose was to Acknowledge the Engineers would surely have Earth in their Sights... but its HOW would they determine the Culprit was from Earth... and would they come to a Conclusion that other Worlds they Seeded may need to either have more Regular Checks or Eradicated on the Safe-Side.

I think we have to look at the SET-UP..... some Engineers will RETURN to Planet 4, now we dont know how MANY would Return it could be a SINGLE SHIP or a Few....

IF we are shown that Planet 4 is NOT their BASE of Operations in the Galaxy, those Engineers who Return would LIKELY go and Send a Message to their Base of Operations about what they Discovered and to inform them of their NEXT cause of Action.

IF we are shown Planet 4 was their Home-world i think its at BEST the Only Home-world in our Galaxy... i find it UNLIKELY their Entire Species are Based from Planet 4. 

They may have Originated from Planet 4 (i doubt it) but even if so, then its UNLIKELY that the Last of the Engineers are ON Planet 4 and Dead.. apart from the FEW that Return to Planet 4 after.

They would surely have a Number of Ships that are Exploring and Visiting our Galaxy at Least and i think its UNLIKELY that all of those Return to Planet 4.

So those that DO return would likely INFORM or leave a Message for the others about what went down.

So that then if the Engineers who return at some-point within say 15 Years of Alien Covenant.... I dont think we can RULE-OUT more Engineers returning within Hundreds of Years to Discover that the Last Engineers have also gone Missing.

Maybe such a Returning Engineer Party could then DEEM this Part of the Galaxy a BUST!  And Abandon/Destroy what they have within a Radius of LV-426 so they make say a 1000LY exclusion Zone from Earth... where they simply AVOID..

But then would they be so Naive Twice?  Like they may have ASSUMED that Mankind would NEVER reach the Stars... and so it would be Foolish to then think... WELL i cant see Mankind being able to Travel Thousands of Lights Years.

So you would think they would Continue until the Earth and Mankind are GONE!   But that obviously has NOT Happened.

By Choice? or Calamity?

@SM

Indeed when we look at the Original Quadrilogy starting from ALIEN we do have to ASK the Question about WHY as it seemed (Theatrically) that after the Nostromo Mission was a BUST... then IF they was aware of Quite a Bit about the Organism and deemed it so Important then WHY had they NOT gone back?

So its makes sense that they LOST any Interest in Special Order 937

So indeed when we get to Hadleys Hope then absolutely it seemed like those who had SET-UP this Place and those on the Board of the Company where NOT aware of what was on LV-426.   And so its as you said, it was ONLY when Ripley had informed them about WHAT she had Encountered on LV-426 that they had then Contacted Hadleys Hope which then SENT out the Jordans to investigate and this Caused the Infestation and Death on Hadleys Hope...

Regarding the ADVENT....  i was Speculating that it could have been a Precursor to events that would lead to Special Order 937 down the Line.

By that IF the Advent Message will continue to be Canon, and so also IF it is that the Xenomorph on LV-426 would NOT be there if say David had NOT conducted those Experiments on Planet 4.  I Speculate that the Advent would surely lead to the company wishing to Investigate and likely arrive at either Planet 4, LV-223 or Origae-6 and come across what David had been Creating... and then the After-Math would seem to be the Derelict on LV-426 which the company would then know something relating to Davids Work is on that SHIP.

I was not trying to imply that the Advent Message would lead to a Direct Response for the Nostromo.  I Speculate that some other Mission would be SENT in response to the Advent and Events that TIE our Prequels to ALIEN that in the After-Math of these Events that would maybe be around the 2112-2122 Ball Park would lead to Special Order 937 then being issued.

Getting the characters right is very important because those are the ones that we are supposed to follow. In movies you have the surroundings and so on while you don’t have that in books which makes it even more important to have well-made characters.

Good luck with your project

VivisectedEngineer

The expression (ticked all the boxes) makes sense but what in it did you like? I try to understand since it unfortunately is something that I am not a fan of. People have different opinions when it comes to alien things but that's alright. Can you explain it more in detail? Thanks

Specimen was alright, I liked the environment that they were in. Here is a short clip with the director of Specimen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSAt9oO_1is

Here is a short clip with the directors of alien Ore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdOGOvUQfd4

DK mentioned Signs of Life, here is the link in case you're interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcUiIy_ghw

Yeah there might be some overthinking there. Say that you make a movie, the more scenes that you have the bigger the possibility there is that you might get inconsistencies. It depends on how much it affects the story but what is being brought up here is so minuscule so it really doesn't matter as far as the big picture is concerned even thought some people find it worthy to discuss.

BD

"... and then WISH to unleash Davids Creations on Mankind which could LEAVE it open for Walter to be the SPACE JOCKEY!"

Please not Walter as the SJ, I would get angry if that was the case. First Scott makes it all about David and then they let Walter be the SJ. How stupid can they get? Letting the androids get the most important parts is ridiculos and makes the series all about them. Sorry to be blunt but if that will be the case then they can take their androids and shove them up somewhere, on the other hand they have made so many crappy decisions when it comes to the making of the prequels so maybe that is what we will get even though I hope that I am wrong.

"Or more Fitting as after being Double Crossed.... we see that Walter will Sabotage the Space Jockey and his Cargo!"

I don’t know, it still gives the androids too much of a role. I would rather have it that the SJ makes a mistake that has got nothing to do with the androids at all and we will get the SJ-situation. At the same time I don’t want those creations to be David’s, I would like the Engineers to take David’s monster and develop it so he becomes the middle-man like you have suggested before. The best situation would be if David would have nothing to do with the eggs on LV426 at all.

Xenofanlv426

There should be less David in the next movie. Alien Covenant was too much about him and it became a bit boring. Fassbender is a good actor but the material was eh. The extra material that they released on the www that had character building should have been kept in the movie also if they insist on having it like two hours long they should have cut out some of the android scenes and focus on the humans. My opinion is that if a movie becomes longer by having more character-building then let it be longer.

You bring up the Engineers, that would be interesting. We should be given better human characters and more about the Engineers. I am not interested in what David will do next.

"However, whilst this is happening, another ship could be carrying the eggs from the original ship in its way to earth, blaming David's genocide on humanity, who created David in the first place."

Actually that's interesting, I'm not sure how they would execute that but it could work.

Not sure about the last part that is starting with the ship crashing but I like the first part. Do you remember the mist in the derelict? I can imagine that it failed at some point and that is how the facehugger got to the SJ. David should have nothing to do with it, they have already made it too much about him which is one reason why Covenant wasn't that good if you ask me.