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I wouldn't dismiss Walter that fast. I would say that Walter did have "feelings"/ emotions although subdued. Let's use a basic definition of emotion: instinctive or intuitive feeling as distinguished from reasoning or knowledge. He may not been funny, hostile or caviler, but there you go. He was probably among the most ethical as well. The same could be said for Bishop imo. 

Bishop: "They can rework me,but I'll never be top of the line again.I'd rather be nothing." That says a lot about self awareness and even humility to admit not being top dog anymore.

I think Ash and especially David displayed the pride trait the most.

On the other hand, the first 3 Silent Hill games were creepy, nightmarish mind F£cks, but it required actual playing to experience it. The Silent Hill movies fell woefully flat.

"Hello Darkness my old friend"

Some people may not like or have access to streaming, but look how the last two movies (and let's throw Predator in as well) just didn't get the box office results most fans expected or wished to see. It's hard to blame a company for being wary of another venture. 

Iraptus said it and we have discussed it before but it bears mentioning again- streaming allows time to develop characters and stories that no cinema movie (I know of) could possibly match in a 2 hour experience.  

@I Raptus 8

I just wanted to say publicly I took a lot of pleasure from reading your contribution. The perfect example of a post. Responsive, to the point and made in a very positive manor. I took particular pleasure from your phrase "Self Limiting" I use the phrase."Alien Straight Jacket." 

I don't get it, it looks just like BIG CHAP

I love both Prometheus and Alien Covenant: Both are superior over those terrible AVP movies.

Ugg the Resident Evil movies were all horrible, including the first movie. They completely rewrote the story, first movie included!

The AVP movies were terrible, especially the first movie. I'm glad Requiem pulled the plug on that continuity. Before AVP (2004) release, all of the alien and predator movies were consistent to their core theme and genre. While Alien bounced back and forth between Horror and Action Horror, it still retains that the xenomorphs were an ever present threat and an unstoppable killing machine.

Predator was an action movie that slowly shifted to a survival horror when all of Dutch's men were being killed off one by one and when Harrigan slowly discovered Danny's killer was alien hunter. The Predators were seemingly unstoppable foe: equipped with an arsenal of  advanced gadgetry.

These two franchises worked better at being stand-alone movies. AVP messed it all up, it became more or less a Kaiju movie and threw out the elements that made the Xenomorphs and Yaut'ja scary in the first place. The Predators were badly equipped (even for a young blood), the xenomorphs were degraded to cannon fodder (before you mention Aliens, it was the colonial marines who where xeno-fodder, the xenos in that movie were still a wave of unstoppable death), the setting taking place on earth and in the present day and all of the retcons that go with it (Predators no long seek warm climates and hunt the local prey, now only go after a heat signature to kill xenos). 

In conclusion: AVP sucked, Alien and Predator should be stand-alone universes at least movie-wise.

I don't want anything from a streaming service if for no other reason than the fact streaming is outside my affordability range.I don't want to see Alien cheapened to a Netflix movie and definitely do not want a series.

I personally just want to see the end of the prequels.Say what you want about them but David deserves that much.

I DON'T want Alien 5.Blomkamps film was cancelled long ago and needs be put to rest.Blomkamp has given up,though he continues to realize art work as if he's trying to catch Disney's eye.Mostly Alien 5 belonged to what has become one off Hollywoods dullest trends.Make that sequel to an old favorite "the one it always deserved."Put those acters in those roles and hope for the best.Mad Max And Blade Runner proved it can work(Mad max didn't have Mel Gibson to be fair)but on the other hand we have Indy 4(delete this film from the annals of history)Tron Legacy(decent...but forgettable,kinda like the original)New Star Wars(these are a really mixed bag)Terminator Genisys(hated but i actually like it)not to mention the one.Looking at all this i'm glad Alien didn't join these ranks

AVP 3...no...just no.So many want this,I've seen a rise in fandom for the first,but Reqieum should be an example of why not to make one.I'd like a new avp game,but on film they deserve to be forgotten.

Alien isolation movie i went over on a separate thread.A great game,but i think it would fall flat on film due to too many similar plot threads from Alien.

Michelle Johnston I agree, I think there is little left to mine from a film perspective (at least any time soon), as much as it saddens me.

The films have self-limited the available scope of the franchise and boxed any future films into a tight corner. Without a massive investment (eg. in say the form of fully-realised trilogy) to open up expand the franchise, there is little chance or getting anything but more of the same. Ridley tried exactly this, to break the mould with his prequels, but Fox got cold feet and bowed to negative reviews resulting in a ham-fisted, knee-jerked, try-to-please-everyone Alien Covenant. To Ridley's credit he did the best with what he was able, jamming it into a 2-hour film. And for the most part, it is an enjoyable film.

This type of creature feature genre will always follow the "overcoming the monster" basic plot structure (providing the Xenomorph is the central antagonistic force), BUT there is still countless stories that can be told in this universe without using the same tried and tested troupes.

The franchise needs a new platform to launch new and exciting stories from. Popular Streaming series like The Expanse, and the re-booted Lost in Space show it can be done and have benefitted hugely from the ability of the continuous screen-time streaming series allow. This allows developers ample opportunity to develop characters we care about, complex and interesting plots, hooks and cliffhangers that keep us engaged and theorising.  

@ninXeno426

As I was part of the original audience that watched A L I E N and part of an audience that lifted the film into its iconic status I try not to offer what I think, but represent that audience.  

It remains an iconic film and its status as one of the best films of its type. However that does not mean you can keep on mining it. The Games and Comics it has spawned is a different energy and art form and whatever their success they do not lead to the idea you can carry on making movies. By the time of A3 the antagonist was W-Y the Alien Ripley and the creature a prize. 

As Gavin has said if you call a franchise Batman or Superman you mine that idea reinvent and can add depth, it will aways have three dimensional potential. The ALIEN was a very original special effect with a curious and mysterious history. It represents male rape, inverts the hosting of a child and then behaves like an act of retribution. Thats it. The only interesting question is why, and that ship has sailed.

We all know in order to inject life into the second film JC introduced a subtlety different view of the creature and immediately devalued its mystery and uniqueness.

Covenant proved that is no more interesting than what it was  in the first film except its behaviour lacks that all important element genuine surprise. Michael said he was glad at least they retained the notion of creation in Covenant by allowing the robot to create the Xenomorph. I have even heard people compare Robot and Xenomorph to the "New Prometheus - Frankenstein." Anyone who has read Mary Shelley's book knows that comparison is a travesty as well as inaccurate at a story telling level.

What he and Fox completely dropped the ball on is that the intrigue and dynamic of Creator and Creation is about the relationship between the two. The Xenomorph is a parasite with characteristics. It will either destroy David or sit down like a puppy for him there is no dynamic, no nuance, no subtlety there. Nothing like the dynamic of Mankind, with its sub created Robot in tow, meeting their makers and the huge philosophical issues that story could confront why this, why that, what about you, what does God look like. Paradise/Heaven/Soul etc etc 

However here is the really important point which never gets discussed on fan sites which are pre occupied by fabric, lore and so called plot holes. A film needs two things :-

1) A great story with characters we buy into and not characters that never make mistakes which is another demand of the modern audience. WE MAKE MISTAKES THATS WHAT WE DO its part of the human experience.

2) To be well crafted with good flow and logic pacing etc etc.

This year coming we will all be blessed to see in amongst the disappointments some fantastic examples of those things. In the main they will arise because the story is fresh, the tale engages us with its surprises and we learn something about ourselves and a little about the world we live in.

That will not come from face huggers, chest bursters, the big guy, a Machiavellian company and the bad robot.

I agree with Ignorant Guy move on and if people enjoy comics and games as a cult genre leave it at that.

I can say with some confidence the audience beyond the core feel Yes that was great ALIEN but not yet again thanks.

Now do millennials with their fears aspirations, where half your audience is woman and are MeToo do they want stories were mad robots rape and dissect a woman to create a Parasite unlikely. However in a world were all the norms are disintegrating, our enemy is our friend and A I is taking our jobs then playing with. "Who the f...  are we and where do we go and whats the point,"might hit the zeitgeist.  

I wish you a very happy new year and would encourage you to not worry a jot about Alien films and superior special effect from 40 years ago and look beyond, wait for the surprise hit, the something you have never considered, thats whats exciting.  

None of them.

I want to know the end of the prequels, so, personally, I want Alien: Awakening.

What's best for the franchise is an ALIEN 5, but it needs to be different.  ALIEN 5 needs to continue the story and not remove ALIEN3 or ALIEN: Resurrection.

I don't care if ALIEN 5 takes place between A3 and A4 or somehow fits in somewhere else in the franchise. A5 doesn't have to follow chronological order to me.  It just needs to be good.  Get a good writer and good director and I'm sure they can figure something out.

Or just get some fans to write some stuff for the franchise's next movie.  Just get a bunch of fans and put them in brainstorming groups to create something.  With streaming technology we have today, I don't think this would be a problem.  Mandatory acceptance into the group should require membership of some ALIEN franchise website, like scified.com and maybe some other things.  It sounds interesting to try for me.  Nobody should get paid because I think it would be an honor to just be a part of the project.

In short, rewrite ALIEN5 to continue the story. I think that's the best option for the franchise.

That's unless Ridley Scott can pull out another ALIEN1 with Alien: Awakening or, at best, another success, to me, as in Prometheus.

Ridley has made two fabulous movies for the franchise and from his words after Alien: Covenant, he might be able to do it again. 

Your photoshop skills always impress me. 

I'm surprised that only took 20 minutes!

Fabulous.  Great stuff.

Why is it named Scorpion though? It looks nothing like a Scorpion, and I haven't read the comic.

ALIEN VERSUS PREDATOR 3 !!! <333

sorry if this has already been dicussed.

So Walter has a big cut on his left cheek and david doesn’t. I paused the last moments of the fight, took a snap shot of david lying on the floor and messed with the brightness and contrast. There is no cut on david’s left cheek. It doesn’t make sense that david would defeat Walter then cut his hand of steel his clothes and then cut his face. There was no need for the cut if this is what he did. 

I believe somehow david is in walters body. 

None of the above. As someone said before "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" or "sometimes to create you must first destroy".

I think your sargent in AVP(2010)Asks this as well.

My problem is trying to ignore the expectations I had for both. I like AC better but parts felt a bit rushed.

I have lightened up on Prometheus after remembering that it isn't about an Alien.

Both suffer from poor character development. I lean toward AC mostly because of the back and forth between David and Walter.

I Moon Girl I re-watched Covenant again recently. I enjoyed it much more this time without the strings of expectation and hype attached. It was an enjoyable watch 

Prometheus is fantastic!!!

It has it's flaws, which is why I give it a 9/10.

Still, if I look at the flaws as to how it made me react and feel, I would have to say I don't remember being that animatedly upset in a movie.  Maybe that was the intended purpose?  I say that because I was at the extreme!  I just had to yell something as I watched that part.

Prometheus is a GREAT movie!

I give Alien: Covenant a 7 out of 10.  I haven't seen it in about a year or year and a half.  I do NEED to rewatch it.  One of the main reasons I think I didn't like Alien: Covenant was because of ALL OF THE HYPE A.N.D. because Ridley Scott was filmed saying before the theatrical release, "This is going to scare the $h!t out of people."  It didn't to me, so I'm not happy about that.  I mean, because of Ridley Scott's words, I was considering NOT seeing Alien: Covenant in theaters because I thought I just wouldn't be able to handle it.  I've been there scared before when watching a movie or playing a video game, so I was expecting the same from Alien: Covenant.  Well, Alien: Covenant didn't produce...

The reason I say that maybe the hype brought the movie down was because Alien: Covenant was the first of the ALIEN franchise that I saw in theaters and I joined this forum before it's release.  I kept away from any spoilers though.  I rented Prometheus because it looked like such an awesome movie and I'm just too cheap to see it in theaters.  I didn't know anything about Prometheus except what I saw on TV in the trailers.  FABULUOUS TRAILER!  I wish I would've saw Prometheus in the theaters.  To bad, so sad I guess.

I need to watch Alien: Covenant again to get a proper review, but I don't think it would be greater than my love for Prometheus.

Nice find!

I've never really thought about it before.

I'm glad I now know this.

Dark Nebula XD

I agree Dark Nebula, they both have their merits, and their flaws.

I feel Prometheus told a more complete story and can stand alone as its own entity. Covenant feels like a 'book 2' of a trilogy and cannot be judged without the sum of its whole. Time will tell if we get the conclusion to this story, but without an ending Covenant suffers more than Prometheus.

That's a tough question. It's hard for me to decide which one I think is superior.

While Prometheus was about humanity searching for their creators (Engineers) only to find out their creators wanted to wipe them out, AC was about the creation (David) rising up against its creators (Humans and Engineers) and wanting to become a god by trying to create a perfect organism; both films overall explored deep themes of creation, have amazing cinematography, visuals, production design, creature designs, ship designs, scores etc. *shrugs*

Just my opinion, no need to get triggered.

Hi emmamillathompson I moved this thread into the Alien Covenant main forum so it can get more exposure and debate. 

Cue BigDave... XD

Nice pick up dk!!

two more to add.

1. Sebastian "you have to kill me"

2. The Audience reaction to AVPR "Kill me now"

I get what you mean though.Here it is being used in a nightmare sequence in Batman vs Aliens 2.

I thought the DC was fine. The noise volume dropped and the pace slowed, but I thought it was well done. It was a short scene that plucked us out of the action, put us in a different creepy vibe and then threw us back into the fray. Pacing sounds like a lame excuse and it seems more like what FOX wanted looking at their watches and wallets. 

The OP proves it. the whole KILL ME thing originated with the DC and remained a consistent theme in the Quadrilogy.

My opinion is just because we didn't see it in the theatrical cut of Alien doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Main reason it was cut was because it threw the pacing of the film off.I think Tom Skerrit said the full scene is about ten minutes long.Ripley is on a time limit until the Nostromo self destructs,she doesn't have time to talk to Dallas.Even the scene included in the directors cut is a bit jaring and detracts from the urgency of the situation.I would have maybe edited to where she finds Dallas shortly before Parker and Lambert die.

That's a bit off topic so back on point.I believe egg morphing is happening even though it wasn't seen in the og cut of the movie.Makes sense considering its sort of insinuated that the big chap didn't kill Dallas "No blood,no Dallas"

Sometimes somethings are best left UNANSWERED and thus left to Imagination/Interpretation. 

Indeed BigDave . At first I didn't think I was hearing a queen, but a replay with the mindset could add a different flavor to the game. After the horde breakout, it seemed impossible not to think of a queen presence. 

This is the future...

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Neca shares new Alien resurrection xenomorph figure photos.

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Now I want it even more.

Regarding the Queen/Egg Morph.

I was always drawn to that a Egg Morph leads to a Xenomorph Queen.  I feel this makes sense, but then with the Deleted Royal Face Hugger Scene maybe this does not add up.

I would thus have to assume that maybe the Egg Morph is likely to be Less-Likely as Canon, than another YET explained Process that leads to a Royal Face Hugger or a Queen Embryo.

If this is to be considered Canon...

It must mean that the Company Managed to obtain a Xenomorph after the Death of Ripley on Fury 161

If they are going for Canon, then we have viable options for how a Xenomorph could be recovered.

1) Derelict Remains... Assuming it is NOT Destroyed in 2179

2) Origae-6/Covenant Ship  after David arrives with his Xenomorph Face Huggers and Experiments

3) Planet 4...  after David has left for Origae-6 or where ever he ends up going.

4) LV-223.... assuming David/Engineers take Davids Xenomorphs  there for Experimentation/Mass Production.

With 2, 3 and 4 we have to ask WHY pursue Ripley in Alien 3 and WHY bother with Hadleys Hope on LV-426.

5) LV-223..... using Davids Information on HOW he created his Xenomorph, the Company then can attempted to Re-Create the Process.

6) Anywhere in the GALAXY! if they go the route to show that Davids Xenomorphs are a Re-Creation/Evolution and not the Progenitor to the Xenomorph. 

Whichever means the Company obtains the Xenomorph in this 6 Part Dossier, we have to accept that ALL Avenues for the Xenomorph are Eradicated by the time of Alien Resurrection leaving only Cloning Ripley as the ONLY avenue to obtain the Organism.

Regarding the Queen it appears the sounds are there in a kind of Vague way, that in no way should we assume they are a QUEEN but then also there is NO-WAY we can dismiss the possibility.

The comment by one of the Game Produces concludes the idea was there, and i think the way they handled it was the best way to go...  Because if it was too on the nose then indeed some fans would EXPECT a confrontation....

Leaving it the way it was, means that Fans can debate the existence of a Queen on the Station and so they can Gauge Fans Reactions to determine that IF they produce a Sequel it would be wise to introduce a Queen or leave it out.

Sometimes somethings are best left UNANSWERED and thus left to Imagination/Interpretation. 

I have only played Alien Isolation Once and did not get very far, but i roughly know the the Plot.  I think it could work as a Sequel, however you would not be able to have a vast amount of time in a 2 hour movie, committed to Amanda hiding and running away from a Xenomorph.

So it would be the interaction with other Characters in the Plot that would make it work.