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I will divide this into two sections simply the like section and the dislike part.

Likes:

I like the landscapes and it was interesting to see how the Engineer city looked like. The David and Walter characters were interesting, to see the difference between them. As with most movies I am fine with the monsters (I write most since the monsters in AR were not that good and yes I think that they were better in Prometheus) so they got this right also. Oram was interesting so I liked that part of the movie. What they did right was that the characters were not as annoying as Prometheus but very few characters had any specific character traits which made them their own so to speak. No Shaw! :D

Dislikes:

Once again they messed up the characters, if Prometheus had them as annoying the characters here lack any specific character traits which you can point at and go "this person is this and that which separates him or her from that character which is more like XYZ". Being that this is a problem you never remember a lot about them because we get no information what they are about. Unfortunately they spent less time with the Engineers, which was a let down. They Engineer city could easily have been a lot better. AC also mishandled the Xenomorph (death by crane jumping, duh!) but I liked the Neomorph. My constant complaint is that they spent too much focus on the androids and had them talking to each-other a lot at the expense of the human characters.

"I am convinced that David was right, Walter loves Daniels, but he does not know what love is"

Not to be an ass but how big is the possibility that David knows that?

Yes like Ali81 I also dislike how Scott is going with the idea that David created the Xeno, that absolutely sucks. They got to abandon that idea or else I will look at the prequels as laughing material with many bad ideas and underdeveloped characters. Maybe they should reboot the prequels? Perhaps this would be a middle finger to Scott but I do not care since there is too many bad things about them.

The scene with Ripley and Clemens when they talk and he gives his story and then the Xeno kills him is just a good ending and fits with the mood of the movie in general. Clemens was an interesting character so it was sad to see him die but it fits with the tone of the movie.

Go back to the first three Alien movies to see how you get the characters right. Those that come after get the character parts wrong, mostly.

Big Dave:

Anyone can use the force yeah that is just strange and I disagree with that. To me the force sensitivity could be like a mutation, the

DNA changes. Poor writing indeed, they could have done that a lot better.

I like it, well done.

And Sargent Apone's ring appears to have a familiar symbol on it, below. We may be on to something here.

@Ingeniero your gratitude is accepted.

The focus on the "eye" extends to Aliens as well, below.

"Look into my eye."

Sargent Apone in Aliens.

This is a great piece of work and it couldn't have had better timing. Thank you Ati. The background and history of Gateway Station in your article above have real utility for me. Below, your image is an enhanced to bring out the details of the ships cited.

Thank you Ati. I hadn't thought of an angle like that regarding Dr. Shaw....I guess I'll take what I can get.

Foster did quite well with the previous Alien novelizations I've read and Aliens' novelization is great. I read it years ago and I'm going back through it now. I saw this gem below in the film.

I just caught what one of the board members was doing while Ripley was pleading for her livelihood...a newspaper crossword puzzle. Awesome.

Wow! Great job and investigation Ati! I honestly never took much notice in those ships, but even they have a wealth of history and lore.

I like Gateway Station it always seemed so decrepit and rustic, much like the Nostromo. Used and non-pristine. 

I'll feature this for awhile :) 

I always thought it was here since the crew went in here. Although it may have been an exit. The way they entered in Prometheus still is confusing to me. Your pic definitely looks like it opens, but considering its height, might connect to something? This comes from a human outlook though.

Stills from Aliens - Gateway Station and the three background spaceships:

Blade Runner 2049 stills:

Please accept my most sincere gratitude Dark Nebula for creating the movie poster above. It is amazing.

Thank you.

Timothée Chalamet chats with film director Xavier Dolan

on the realities of love and pain

'The artistry of filmmaking has always preoccupied

Timothée Chalamet. Fittingly, the quality of the craft

is more than apparent in his first major leading role,

Luca Guadagnino’s Call Me By Your Name. To prepare

for being on set, Chalamet has long immersed himself

in complex cinema— movies like critically-acclaimed

Canadian filmmaker Xavier Dolan’s I Killed My Mother.

Here, Chalamet and Dolan meet up in Paris to discuss

Chalamet’s creative sights for the future, his relationship

with Armie Hammer, and the realities of love and pain.'

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You find the article here:

https://vman.com/article/timothee-chalamet-xavier-dolan

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Timothée Chalamet talks to one of his inspirations,

Frank Ocean, about film, music, and the art

that influences them

Source: https://vman.com/article/timothee-chalamet-frank-ocean/

Excellent article, Ingeniero, thank you.

Beyond doubt, Foster was informed how to to form the hidden (?) background of the story. Probably the 'somebody' in question will be an AI.

I think it would be a good idea to see Noomi Rapace again in the Alien Covenant sequel in the role of an android looking like Elizabeth Shaw. Working in the background...

Blade Runner 2049 stills:

if anybody is interested, Luca Guadagnino will be directing a remake of Dario Argento's Suspiria. 

It is nice to see Bill is still remembered. Thanks for that.

I don't mean to get OT, but bringing up Bill fairly close to his death reminded of a time before acting took off. The story is from Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies. Those two worked together and were good friends. Read if you wish. 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiFt_W95fnYAhVO6WMKHc_wDxsQFggqMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Floudwire.com%2Fsuicidal-tendencies-mike-muir-mourns-death-bill-paxton%2F&usg=AOvVaw3veeLZ52B9mi5HDsE8u-0l

Here is a pic of him from those days:

Thx, Ingeniero, glad you like it.

The untold story of Michael Stuhlbarg’s emotional

Call Me By Your Name speech

'This is the speech that actor Michael Stuhlbarg delivers in the

final third of Luca Guadagnino’s Call Me By Your Name.

It had audiences reaching for a defibrillator, reeling from

Stuhlbarg’s measured tip-toe of a delivery.

It’s the part that—if you had somehow

resisted tears in the first two-thirds of the film

—definitely left your face wet.'

'In the aftermath of Call Me By Your Name’s cinematic release,

“the speech” was second only to the peach scene as the most

discussed takeaway from this incredible film. The words were

mainlined from the pages of André Aciman’s novel, from which

the film was adapted. We’ve overheard this speech discussed

in stores around New York City—like Outdoor Voices on the

Upper East Side (actually)—which means that it has rung true

for those who have seen the film. It’s one of the highest

autocompletes on Google when searching the movie. It’s

the most important and heartfelt and raw speech in a movie,

if not this decade, then certainly this year. But maybe

Stuhlbarg knew that all along…'

'MICHAEL STUHLBARG: I was warned about the speech! My

agent called and said, “There’s a very beautiful thing to say

at the end of this screenplay, but read the whole thing.”

And it had affected me as it seemed to effect her.'

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You find the article here:

https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/untold-story-michael-stuhlbargs-emotional-call-name-speech

Looking forward to this.

For some reason, I decided to make a poster of this.

Here's the final result of my experimentation:

The Blade Runner 2049 movie poster above is great. Thank you Ati.

He is good at goofy. I thought McBride was great in Alien: Covenant. If he tries a Bishop knife game dk, then my bet is that he finishes the movie with less fingers than he began with.

Here is a screen shot (below) from the link above Davefried81. I see what you're talking about regarding the classic lines/shape/formed metal.

Then he deserved it Dark Nebula. There are some things that you just don't do.

Good stuff.

This is an excellent piece of fan fiction VivisectedEngineer. There are so many details that I recognize from the novelizations and films. Great research, wonderful product, and thank you so much for sharing with us.

Indeed those concepts are very interesting and from 2014, and seem to add up very close to the clues the Source had passed on in Feb 2015, that they obtained from November 2014 ;)

Ha Ha Iron Maiden... certainly... those Engineers should have Run to the Hills ;)

Good Job this person is not around any more...

He would soon be onto ATI's Case ;)

That is a good point, if the Engineers are so close to us DNA wise, i also fail to see much a of a difference between a Engineer and a Human, i can only assume that Human Reproduction is more suited, but is this due to the slight difference in Reproduction?  (Do Engineer Females have limited birth cycles, does their off springs gestation time take much longer than the Humans 40 Weeks?).

Or is Human Egg Cells or DNA actually something that just produces something more closer to what David was trying to achieve...  I would have assumed a Face Hugger + Engineer/Human, a Trillobite + Engineer/Human and Black Goo + Engineer/Human would not really provide much difference in the resulting Mutation/Organism.  I would actually have thought a Engineer infection/gestation would produce the more superior specimen.

Also indeed the point about Characters is good too, because the Set-up now for Daniels could be just merely a Plot Device like Shaw was, which means building up a NEW set of Human Characters in the next movie and then asking how do they do this and have them take a key role or appear in the NEXT TWO movies... or surely its not a case of Build up New Characters to then discard them every movie.

David the troll.

Indeed Ingeniero i was implying the Brother as David ;)

@MonsterZero

I think it makes a bit more sense for Androids to be interested in the relentless pursuit of the Xenomorph rather than Humans.  I think it would also be interesting if the LV-223 Engineers are revealed as a Sub-Class or Engineered Tool by those Planet 4 Engineers so the Engineers on LV-223 are to those Original Engineers, as a Replicant is to a Human... This would put David and the Engineers on LV-223 as being similar.

We could then see how those Engineers are called Fallen Angels, by Ridley Scott if they are a group who rebelled against their Creators, much as we see David has done against his Creator/Creators.

This would add more significance to those Engineers Worship of the Xeno-Pathogen on LV-223 and the Deacon Mural, especially if these Experiments/Organisms provided them a release from Bondage by their Creators (something the Source i had hinted at).   Thus if we follow through with David and his Creation it would then make sense to having other Androids/AI have a great regard/workshop for the Work that David had began.

It would also make sense then if a returning LV-223 Type Engineer came back into the equation and discovered Davids work, which they would see as a continuation of their own work and indeed may see the more Perfect creation of Davids as something they could attempt to Control/Further Perfect.

@Ingeniero

Thank you MonsterZero. 

Good job Ingeniero! This is really cool...I'd love to attempt something like this.

BigDave wrote "....Company and its pursuit of the Xenomorph..."

Yeah...always wondered about that.....Just why do they need the Xeno? Seems to me, Earthlings have just about everything they need.    If Earth were engaged in a galactic/system war...I can see them requiring some exotic weapon(s) to fight off the hoards of invaders.    (Maybe Earth colonies are unruly and need to have Xeno's sicked on them..to keep them in line!? Or maybe Earth is overflowing with criminals?)

hello

BigDave

Sorry for the delay, I don't follow this thread, as I am not interested in how lead characters are mutilated just for kicks. I still don't understand why the goo is more effective on Shaw then on the female Engineers when "they are us" (according to Prometheus).

The fate of Daniels is irrelavant, but most likely will be just fine because you cannot waste time introducing new characters in the last movie of a trilogy. Unless you shoe horn in young Ripley or you resurrect Shaw.

And yes, the women of the cannibal tribe in Bone Tomahawk had there limbs cut off, there eyes gauged out or sewn in (can't remember) and probably there tongues also cut out.

VivisectedEngineer

...Unfortunately, I've never been particularly good at writing happy endings, lol.

It does not need to be a happy ending to be a good story. A3 proved that. 

Ah! Here it is! Enjoy my friend.

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45755