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Maybe......I did the same thing with both 'The Illusionist' and 'The Prestige'...figured both out at least 40 minutes before the climax...pissed me off it did...especially with 'The Prestige'.....I'm sittin' in my living room, it just clicked in my head and I was like...damn it...had to turn it off for a bit I was so mad...........I want a good movie to fool me. I hate when I figure it out early.

perhaps our best impression of what Neanderthal man actually looked like comes from the work of the forensic artist, Jay Matterens. Matterens, who specializes in "fleshing out" skeletons with modeling clay to aid in the identification of homicide victims, worked closely with anthropologists to "flesh out" a skeleton of Neanderthal man. The result, pictured prominently on the cover of the magazine Science 81 (October, 1981), was essentially indistinguishable from modern man! Matterens admitted that he had to fight against his preconceptions to reconstruct what the measurements showed. The accompanying article in the magazine pointed out that: "in the view of many paleoanthropologists, the story of human evolution has been fictionalized to suit needs other than scientific rigor." In addition to anatomical evidence, there is a growing body of cultural evidence for the fully human status of Neanderthals. He buried his dead and had elaborate funeral customs that included arranging the body and covering it with flowers. He made a variety of stone tools and worked with skins and leather. There is even evidence which suggests that he engaged in medical care. Some Neanderthal specimens show evidence of survival to old age despite numerous wounds, broken bones, blindness and disease. This suggests that these individuals were cared for and nurtured by others who showed human compassion. Still, efforts continue to be made to somehow dehumanize Neanderthal man. Some investigators have insisted that Neanderthal man was anatomically incapable of speech but recent studies show that he had a laryngeal anatomy entirely consistent with speech. One of the world's foremost authorities on Neanderthal man, Erik Trinkaus, concludes: "Detailed comparisons of Neanderthal skeletal remains with those of modern humans have shown that there is nothing in Neanderthal anatomy that conclusively indicates locomotor, manipulative, intellectual or linguistic abilities inferior to those of modern humans." (Natural History vol. 87, p. 10, 1978). Why then are there continued efforts to make apes out of man and man out of apes? In one of the most remarkably frank and candid assessments of the whole subject and methodology of paleoanthropology, Dr. David Pilbeam (professor of anthropology at Yale) suggested that: "perhaps generations of students of human evolution, including myself, have been flailing about in the dark; that our data base is too sparse, too slippery, for it to be able to mold our theories. Rather the theories are more statements about us and ideology than about the past. Paleoanthropology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about. But that is heresy." (American Scientist, Vol. 66, p. 379, May/June 1978). Oh, that these heretical words were printed as a warning on every text book, magazine, newspaper article and statue that presumes to deal with the bestial origin of man! Originally published in St. Louis MetroVoice, March 1995, Vol. 5, No. 3

[url=http://youtu.be/0Sz1j2Z7GQc]Well it's not music-related, but it's boredom-related, and damn it this is priceless[/url]. Shame I can't laugh too loud, not only because it's night-time, but also because my neighbor will complain, thinking I'm laughing at a picture of her online or something (she has issues).

This is slightly off topic, but when I went to see The Village, halfway through I turned to the girl I was seeing it with and said, "I bet there are people driving BMW's using mobile phones outside of this village......" Sure enough, there were......... I do that a lot with movies. Maybe I should be a Hollywood "writer" :-P

Nice...I Love it @Biomechanic...just what this festering jungle needs....

That's follows....

Surely does. I think you also mentioned when they were walking around calmly firing off flamethrowers, ten bucks says that's just before they set out to wherever they are headed for the first time since landing on the planet. Before the poop hits the fan.

Raspberries...........

What if the original Alien was just an ingrown hair that got mixed in with some radiation from the ships backwash or contact with a canister of leftover ship's waste when someone fell into it?? And what if the big bald blue guy in the Space Jockey Chair room WAS the original Navi? I think I'm starting to fit the pieces together here :-P

That's what I think the logical progression is @Cypher......It makes sense.

Then the person who loses their coffee, finds the styrofoam cooler and picks up one of the ampules, thinking it's their coffee.. and drinks the contents of the ampule by accident..

Maybe you have a point about zombish and the only way to destroy them is the creatation of a xeno........ Man steals SJ science project, space project goes out of control and infects man, infected man zombie mutant attact SJ, SJ unleash xeno to clean up the mess, xeno kills infected man, throw in Darwins theory and chest bursting infected man mutates into even more deadlier xeno Terrifing mutated form of chest bursting xeno hunts down and kills both SJ and man except, Weyland Yutani Androids, which cannot be infected as they are robots......... Weyland's androids send out a beacon signal that is picked up by the Nostromo

[quote]David you fool you put the ampule in a non regulation sized styrofoam cooler no wounder mayhem is breaking out.[/quote] LOL! Meanwhile someone is wondering what happened to their iced coffee...

I read somewhere that he was re-designing the facehugger for the movie, as that was the link that ties it to Alien. Which was a couple weeks ago, so him turning around and saying Peter Weyland was the ONLY link between Alien and Prometheus is kinda.......... Misleading. Not to mention dumb? Hmmmmm. Smoke and mirrors......

@Bio, Man, those are some fancy descriptions... I was using descriptions like "curved thing" and "straight thing".. and then you used descriptions like, smelting of group 4 metals of the periodic table and light reflection... impressive.. Can I pm you if I have a weak description of something that needs sprucing up?? lol... @Nephilim_LV426, Cool.. I thought the same thing about the matte ampule sitting inside of the specular ampule.. Thanks for the conformation... it will soothe my madness methods.. Oh, I have a bunch of friends who don't care for sci fi and think I'm crazy.. but in 100 days, I think I have them all going to my June 8th Mecca...

Hi guys, I'm going to lock this one as there is a discussion going on about pretty much the same thing. Here is the link: [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1686]Your text to link here...[/url]

I think this shot that craigamore posted may be just before the bit in the trailer where the guy is jumping off the vehicle. In fact I think it's the very same guy, because in the leaked trailer that came out just before the official one there were still flames on that jumping guy, I think that were edited out in the official one, because in the official trailer there is still smoke coming off him. Man. Who's got a handy time masheen? :-P

danrald, you're right. I was just looking at the curve of the ampule vs what David is pulling the green goo out of - and they are different. Good call! It is possible the green goo container sits inside the ampule, looking at comparative sizes...IMO... When I wake up it will be 100 days till June 8...

It makes sense for the team of scientist's to have the security team and well, to ensure organisms are brought back and no second thoughts occur. Sending a multi million perhaps billion dollar vessel to the middle of no where is pretty risky. Mr Weyland wants to make sure his things are well protected. I would imagine they have hand guns and other weapons on board, perhaps not telling the rest of the crew what they have..because Shaw and others are under the impression this will be first contact and be a great mission for mankind. Yet, Mr. Weyland is prepared and by prepared has a security team to handle hostile organisms...

Note the open ampule has plenty of writing on it as well. Ok one more thing... Here is a picture of the "ampule" that David is with.. can anyone say it looks like one of the curved ampules in all of the rooms? I'm starting to guess that this jar is not the same as the ones in the rooms... This jar is completely straight! [img]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4939/straights.jpg[/img]

Gehirn, Not sure for either point.. lol. But it is interesting that David is kneeling right by a supposedly opened ampule and 2 ampules with debris. Actually from your question 2, and from his actions, it looks like he is looking for that missing "something"?

That's kind of what I was thinking as a possibility as well @Gehirn....it seems most likely to me now that whoever is using the flamethrower was probably in the hanger when they were attacked and had no other means to protect themselves......

In the shot [i]without[/i] "mutant guy," they seem to be very casual about the use of flamethrowers. Everyone is just walking around, going about their business, not reacting to any significant, immediate threat. Maybe they're trying to eliminate something on the ground........perhaps the equivalent of extraterrestrial insect pests or their larvae. That's what it looks like to me, anyway. Maybe they're what Scott had in mind when he said that small, seemingly insignificant things end up being terribly important.

@Biomechanic, Well, in fairness they do seem to be equipped with handguns at some point so I understand where you're coming from. Perhaps the lack of a gun is more suggestive of being taken by surprise than it is of what Mr. Zombie is made of? The incident still occurs in the hanger, where we've seen flame throwers before. It's the closest weapon a person would have assuming that not all archaeologists carry a gun.

Radiation poisoning from the exploded Atmosphere Processor........ Wait that was something else.......... But Gearbox thought it would be a good idea..... I still think they're being lazy........... It also could have been Brainy Smurf's concoctions........... :-P

I'm aware @Biomechanic and have my eye on things.....let's relax guys.........@20thcenturybuick, I already posted a response to @GreatBoosUp......no reason you can't settle down either...civil...respectful.....got it guys?

Regardless of the pictures, if any of the urns are opened when the humans arrive, it leaves two important questions: 1) Do they have any relationship to the body/suit, and egg/head lying on the ground? 2) If David is studying an opened urn, could something be missing from it?

Nephilim_LV426, You gotta be kidding me... Judge for yourself.. [url=http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5881/detaild.jpg]Open/Closed[/url] [img]http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5881/detaild.jpg[/img]

@20thcenturybuick...Ridley Scott stated in the Wall Street Journal, dated 11/07/11, "The last eight minutes of the “Prometheus” story evolve into “a pretty good DNA of the ‘Alien’ one.” - you can read that here [url=http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/11/07/ridley-scott-spills-the-secrets-of-prometheus/]The Wall Street Journal[/url] He stated in the Filmophobia article, dated 12/17/11, and I qoute, "By the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the very first alien, but none of the subsequent aliens. To tell you what that is is a pity, and I’m not going to tell you, because it’s actually pretty good, pretty organic to the process and to the original. But we go back, we don’t go forward." - that can be found on our forum, here [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1094]Ridley Scott's Filmophobia Article[/url] Research can your friend or your enemy @20thcenturybuick

Yeah Greatboosup personal attack was uncalled for but 20CB I would suggest just notifying a moderator rather than egging him on.

[quote]It may just be seen as standard procedure....fire is an obvious advantage and defensive tool....so that could be it...there may be practical uses as well...[/quote] Agreed, think Fifth Element's crude de-icing technique. The real clue behind the scene with the flamethrower "test" is the snow falling right in front of them. Surely the ability to melt chunks of ice is a rather important one if you expect to drive back in such a cold environment.

Excuse me. I meant to be refering to Xenoblob, not Zenoblob lol. Sorry for the mispell.

@Zenoblob So this kind of reminds me of Data on Star Trek wanting to become more human. In this case with Prometheus, David the android actually does and then spreads his seed to populate the new planet.

Neandertals are usually classified as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, a subspecies of humans, in recognition of consistent differences such as heavy brow ridges, a long low skull, a robust skeleton, and others. (Some scientists believe the differences are large enough to justify a separate species, Homo neanderthalensis.) Evolutionists last century claimed that these were real differences between us and Neandertals, and they were right. Creationists claimed that the differences were a result of various diseases or environmental factors, and they were wrong. For Parker to claim that creationists won this debate is a rewriting of history. Amazingly, a century after scientists knew otherwise, most creationists still believe that Neandertals were merely modern humans, deformed by diseases such as rickets, arthritis or syphilis. Some, but by no means all, Neandertals have been found with signs of health problems such as arthritis. But Neandertals have many distinctive features, and there is no reason why these diseases (or any others) would cause many, let alone all, of these features on even one, let alone many, individuals. Modern knowledge and experience also contradicts the idea that disease is a cause of Neandertal features, because these diseases do not cause modern humans to look like Neandertals. In the 1800's the famous pathologist Rudolf Virchow was one who claimed that the first Neandertal fossil found was of a rickets sufferer. As Trinkaus and Shipman (1992) point out, Virchow, an expert on rickets, should have been the first to realize how ridiculous this diagnosis was. People with rickets are undernourished and calcium-poor, and their bones are so weak that even the weight of the body can cause them to bend. The bones of the first Neandertal, by contrast, were about 50% thicker than those of the average modern human, and clearly belonged to an extraordinarily athletic and muscular individual. Lubenow (1992), relying on the authority of Virchow and Ivanhoe (1970), claims that Neandertals (and H. erectus and the archaic sapiens) were caused by a post-Flood ice age: heavy cloud cover, the need to shelter and wear heavy clothes, and a lack of vitamin D sources, would all have combined to cause severe rickets. This explanation fails for many reasons: Rickets does not produce a Neandertal, or Homo erectus morphology; it is clear from many sources (Reader 1981; Tattersall 1995) that the original Neandertal skeleton was unlike any previously known, even in a century in which rickets was a common disease. Evidence of rickets is easily detectable, especially on the growing ends of the long bones of the body. Radiology courses routinely teach the symptoms. It has never (so far as I know) been detected in Neandertals or Homo erectus. Even Virchow did not claim rickets as a sole cause. Virchow in 1872 decided that the first Neandertal Man fossil had had rickets in childhood, head injuries in middle age, and chronic arthritis in old age. A whole population of such people strains credibility, to say the least, although Lubenow says that this diagnosis "is as valid today as when [Virchow] first made it". The long bones of Neandertals, like those of rickets victims, are often more curved than normal, but rickets causes a sideways curvature of the femur, while Neandertal femurs curve backwards (Klein 1989). Humans could hardly have stayed in shelter all the time; food gathering would have required them to spend a lot of time outside (and probably a lot more time than most modern urban humans). The most extreme differences from modern humans (H. erectus) are mostly found in regions such as Africa and Java, which were always tropical; the reverse of what would be predicted by Lubenow's hypothesis. Creationists usually claim that most of the fossil record was laid down by the Noahaic Flood. And yet there are hundreds of fossils of "post-Flood" humans, who supposedly lived in a period of low population and little fossilization. Why, underneath these post-Flood humans, do we not find far larger numbers of fossilized pre-Flood humans? Lubenow claims that modern scientists do not consider rickets as a cause of Neandertalism because it is a virtually unknown disease nowadays. This is not true. Although not as common as it used to be, rickets has other causes besides vitamin D deficiency and still occurs. Information on it is common in medical textbooks (and even on the web), and the symptoms bear no apparent similarity to the Neandertal skeleton or skull. Ironically enough, one of the best refutations of the idea that Neandertalism is caused by diseases such as rickets, syphilis or arthritis, is by a creationist author, Jack Cuozzo (1998, pp.275-279). As Cuozzo documents, the symptoms of these diseases bear very little resemblance to the features of Neandertals. (See also a review of Cuozzo's book Buried Alive by Colin Groves.) Creationists sometimes imply that a paper by Straus and Cave (1957) showed that Neandertals were identical to modern humans. Straus and Cave overturned the stereotype, created by Boule, that Neandertals were semi-erect ape-men with a shambling gait and a divergent big toe, and showed instead that their posture was identical to ours. However their conclusions applied only to posture, and they did not claim that Neandertals were identical to modern humans; in fact quite the opposite: "This is not to deny that his limbs, as well as his skull, exhibit distinctive features - features which collectively distinguish him from all groups of modern men. In other words, his "total morphological pattern", in the phraseology of Le Gros Clark (1955) differs from that of "sapiens" man." (Straus, Jr. and Cave 1957) The exhibit on Neandertals at the ICR (Institute for Creation Research) Museum says (or used to say): "Many Neanderthal features are similar to those in elderly humans today. Since humans lived to great ages in the initial generations after the flood and Babel, perhaps the features are primarily due to advanced age ...". In fact, the distinctive features of Neandertals, least of all the powerful bones and muscles, seem to bear little resemblance to those of old people. This argument is particularly implausible because even Neandertal children are distinctive. Whoever wrote this presumably also thinks that Neandertals are arthritic modern humans. At least two evolutionary scientists have revived the idea that Neandertal morphology may be a result of congenital diseases such as rickets (Ivanhoe 1970) or syphilis (Wright 1971). According to Day (1986), neither of these cases was adequately supported or subsequently justified. Both claims seem to have sunk without a trace except among creationists, who often cite them. Gish goes even further, dishonestly implying that even the scientific community accepts these claims: "They have now concluded that these primitive features of Neandertal people were not genetic, they were pathological." (Gish 1985) Straus and Cave (1957) made a striking comment about Neandertals: "Notwithstanding, if he could be reincarnated and placed in a New York subway - provided that he were bathed, shaved, and dressed in modern clothing - it is doubtful whether he would attract any more attention than some of its other denizens". This may be a source of the creationist idea that Neandertals are "just plain people" (Morris and Parker 1982). Note, though, that this is not quite what the quote says. Anyone who has travelled the Big Apple's subway will probably agree that Neandertals could look quite odd and still meet Straus and Cave's rather lax criterion. Gish (1985) distorts this quote by claiming that a Neandertal in a business suit could walk down a city street and not attract more attention than any other individual, a statement that is probably false.

mindless drivel? thanks scumbag what kind of an asshole talks like that....you're good at degrading people...your the dumbass that is referring to the wrong screencap...

I thought you were pulling my leg until I found the Sefer Raziel HaMalakh ... [IMG]http://cdn1.tabletmag.com/wp-content/files_mf/1256849672bebergal_102909_380pxC.jpg[/IMG] Wrrrmmmm did a good visualization of the 'runes' on the SJ sarcophagi... [IMG]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1_OZMLNumis/Tzl1OknigCI/AAAAAAAAA7A/lzZMvl2IBCI/s500/letteringcontrolchamber.jpg[/IMG] I'm just looking for some 'hard' evidence here... somebody at FOX put this together and has a 'key' to what all these runes are telling us....

Well think you got that debate asking this: "are we sure ridley didnt go ahead and decide to make a zombie movie in space due to the popularity of that particular genre"

yeah lets keep on topic i dont want to debate the nature of art...jesus christ..obviously artists and writers and production companies steal from one another and borrow ideas..its fucking common sense..that being said that doesnt mean there arent any origional fucking ideas out there..thats fucking idiotic back to the topic...ridley never said anything about seeing an aliens dna in the last 8 minutes he said that near the end the film would reveal a connection to the origional alien and he didnt say DNA of alien he said a PROGENITOR OF THE ALIEN..that doesnt mean the dna it means the descendant

I have to respond to the comments regarding originality...guys, please remember, ALIEN was original in my eyes, it set the standard for sci fi horror, in spite of what the cast and director say, PROMETHEUS is a continuation and possibly the origination of the lore that we all love...even if we were to see a continuation of the same concepts that were in the original movie- I would freakin love it because of Sir Ridleys involvement...I have a feeling the xenomorphs ,that I still have nightmares about, are only one of many possible lifeforms that the green goo in the trailers gives rise to...I bet its a primordial ooze of sorts that violently overtakes existing life and causes hideous mutations, maybe as a consequence or result or security measure for violating the sanctity of the god's/engineer's temple...once again, something we brought on ourselves...as Shaw says in the trailer "we were wrong, we were so wrong"....if this is a true prequel, this may involve wormholes and such, and may explain how weyland gains knowledge of such advanced technologies, I am only speculating, but there seems to be the constant pursuit by weyland yutani of more of these creatures and more of this technology....this may be where they learn to terraform.....so the concepts are original, its only been three decades since Sir Ridley returned to this material....may he never leave it again!!!!!!!! sorry if I got off topic....I thought the topic was PROMETHEUS...see ya at the theater

Hi Bio - My arrow is pointing at the writing going down the side of the ampule. I don't see any more images of ampules with debris on top. I'm not sure of the significance of the scattered debris. The big head has a crack in it also. Maybe the cavern is ancient...falling apart...?