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I think we need to look how they wanted 2 more movies to Alien and then the 3-4 parties of which one is a Engineer party.

Then look how AC had to basically give us a Build Up to the Covenant Crew their mission, the disaster that leads to the lose of 47? of the Colonist and then going down to Paradise and all the Hell that Broke Loose.... Right until

David and how he saves them and then the David scenes were used to try and bridge the Prometheus Gap and clues (inc the Bombardment Scene) and then Davids scenes also to introduce us to the Xenomorph

Then we have the Xenomorph Scenes.

Look how all of these struggled to be done justice within 2 hours or so...  Now imagine trying to cover the Covenants Journey to Origae-6 which takes 7 years... do they cover this duration.. does David head to Origae-6 but keep the Colonist in Cryo-sleep?   Does he wish to then establish a Colony first before he unleashes the Xenomorphs.... how would Daniels fit with all this?

So surely David would experiment on a few at a time?  Do some Colonist accidentally wake up during the Journey?

Dos Origae-6 already have a Colony Set up and if so how does David play in this when he arrives, how much experiments has he done on the way and how does he conceal them?

He only has 2 Face Huggers so a Question is how do they Procreate. If its via a Queen then this is stepping into the Cameron's Route which i think RS will not do, and then this provides a threat to David.

Logically David would indeed secure a area of the Ship where he can unleash a number of Colonist and infect Daniels so these Colonist are then attacked and Egg Morphs by the Xenomorph.

Ideally if the Xenomorph has a limited Life Span, so David can Quarantine the Xenomorph and then keep say 5-10 Colonist in that area and then after a Period of Time David has a Dead Xenomorph (No Threat) and 5-10 Eggs.

But its how does he keep these Secret...

The Logical Answer is he then infects 5-10 Colonist One by One and places the Infected into Cryo-sleep.... Thus putting the Chest Bursting on HOLD.

While he then Gets rid of the Eggs and Xenomorph and Face Huggers and covers up all Evidence of this event as best he can.

Have some explanation about the events of the Covenant Mission, going as far as to explain a Virus Outbreak that cost the lives of the Crew but he had kept it contained, but that a certain Section of the Colonist Area is Off Limits and Quarantined.

And so David could then proceed to help the remaining Colonist to set up the Colony, David explaining its best to awaken the Colony Sections in smaller numbers...

No need for 2000 to be awoken, when say hundred or so could be awoken to set up a Colony and the awake more and more until we have a colony thats set up to support a few Hundred or Less.

Then David can introduce those infected Colonist from Cryo-sleep Especially if David reduced the Oxygen so they was in a kind of Coma... then he infected them... so they have no Memories of what happened.

Then these Colonist Chest Burst and run rampage on the Origae-6 Colony.

Then you look how much screen time this done well would take instead of a rushed job like Covenants Plot after they discover David.

Then we have to introduce another Human Faction, a incoming Ship? 

Then the Engineers, and do we see them on Paradise First etc, they discover what David did and set off...

So indeed with all elements to play, its hard to see how they handle this without having to try and condense it all down like Alien Covenant.

Unless we get a really fast rushed pace effect like some of Alien Covenant, and also as far as answering Questions regarding the Engineers i think there would be such a limited time to really do much of this too.

However i have a few ideas... which i put in another thread and i will post my reply again here next.

Starlogger Do you know if these movies would ever be released on blu ray? I tried to look for the blu ray of "Beasts of no nation" in Amazon but I couldn't find it.

@dk you really should invest in some netflix. Some of the best films I've ever seen have been on that that I would've NEVER even considered. "We Need to Talk About Kevin", "Camp X-Ray", "Short Term 12", "Things We Lost in the Fire", "I Don't Feel at Home In this World Anymore", "Sing Street", "The Fundamentals of Caring", "Fruitvale Station", "Beasts of No Nation", etc... All were movies I would've NEVER ever seen I found on there.

Starlogger Alright, I don't agree. These movies need more elaborate jumpscares that boost the suspense. If I have to list my favorite jumpscares from the franchise, these are a few:

1) Kane getting facehugged in Alien (1979)
2) Ripley giving birth (dream sequence) in Aliens
3) Xenomorph in airshaft in "Alien" (1979)
4) Xenomorph waking up in the Narcissus in Alien (1979)
5) Xenomorph strikes Brett. Alien (1979)
6) Ripley and Parker get fooled by Jonesy. Alien (1979)
7) Bishop impaled by queen (Aliens)
8) Xenomorph kills the doctor (Alien 3)
9) Hammerpeede exits Milburn's mouth (Prometheus)
10) Elgyn getls killed (Alien Resurrection)

*Special mention to Walter getting stabbed (Alien Covenant)

Starlogger You gay af lmao I joke. I'm pretty sure it has to do with tradition. Alien (Ripley) has always been an empowering role model for women and it has become a trope of the franchise. I'm up for change but I feel the protagonist should stay a woman, which is why I'm cool with David being the pro/antagonist of these prequels. He's the main character but he isn't Ripley-masculine, you know? lol

@ali81

Indeed i think there is a way we could have both Egg Morph and Queen Exist, i felt that what if the Egg Morph leads to a Queen that is birthed from the Egg (No Face Hugger) or it becomes a Royal Egg and produces a Royal Face Hugger.

This explains why the Xenomorph only captured TWO Hosts, if the Xenomorphs intention was to Egg Morph then why not capture Lambert and Parker too?

Then there would be either 2X Eggs, 2 X Host and so Potentially TWO new Xenomorphs plus Kanes son.  Or 4X Eggs that would await the discovery by some unfortunate explorers?

But if the Egg Morph leads to a Queen, then sure enough  Single Egg and Host would be all thats needed to create the Queen that then can lay Egg after Egg.

But indeed maybe instead of a Queen we create more Xenomorphs but if this was the case in ALIEN then surely why not capture Lambert and Parker too and then you have 3 Xenomorphs that can then start to change the Ship into a Hive.

But we have to look at it from the Aliens POV, to my knowledge there was only a Single Victim from a Egg on the Derelict.

But what we have to see here is once a few Xenomorphs come to be, which could mean they capture Hosts and take them to the Derelict to create more Xenomorphs, and continue until there is enough to set up a Hive on Hadleys Hope.

Or they Egg Morph Hosts and once this route again, creates enough Xenomorphs to set up a Hive....  There is something these Xenomorphs can do that then creates a Queen.

Once the Queen is in place, she will then lay all the Eggs and so then only Warriors to protect the Hive and capture Hosts are required.

I have often pondered if there is something like Phermones or something else that a Hive Gives off that once one is established a certain size, then all Xenomorphs birthed within a radius of this are Warriors.

But should a Host be infected while some distance away, then a Drone is Gestated instead to start the whole Cycle again.

@joylitt you don't have to agree, but you're simply wrong. And you can change your title to actually spell "jumpscares" correctly, please.

I LOVE the female form, don't get me wrong...but, is there anything wrong with a hero? Why do we always HAVE to go to a heroine? Is there some inner guilt? Really...what is it that drives this?

@ali81

Indeed and i will grant you a reply next, after this as indeed this is where my conclusion to the Egg Morph and Drone/Warrior fits in.

Back to my Previous Post and the OT....

Smaller Budget means things are cut... but does not mean we cant get a VERY GOOD Movie....

Now it seems RS may be taking us to Origae-6, this is what he has hinted at, its also seems like David would be playing the Role of Walter to the Unsuspecting Colonist.  We have to ask why would David need to go to Origae-6 and remember this journey takes 7 years.

Ridley Scott hints at a number of parties... which the Engineers are one, after they return to Paradise/Planet 4 and find it decimated.

Now Alien Covenant got criticized a bit, because of the lack of detail and connections to many aspects, both Questions/Connections to Prometheus and more detailed explanation of the Xenomorph Origins and Xenomorph Screen time.

The movie simply had to try and cover to much for such a short Run-time, now if this was a stand alone movie where the Covenant Crew just happen to arrive at that Planet on the way to their destination and detect a more suitable one, and they arrived at the aftermath of Davids Bombardment but they are not introduced to David until the end...  so if AC was split into TWO Parts.... so the most of the movie covers the Neomorphs instead, then they could have given more detail etc.

So Alien Awakening...

If Part of the Plot is to show the Engineers arrive on Planet 4 and discover what has happened, its a case of how much time do they dedicate to them going down and exploring the aftermath of Davids Actions, how long they spend on this place will take into account off the RUN-TIME.... also even if we dont spend long there... they would still have to Build Sets etc again.. Unless they kept them but still setting them back up for a Small amount of Run-time is expensive.

Covenant Journey.. if we assume we arrive at Origae-6 at some point, how do they showcase the 7 years and what David has done in 7 years?  They cant surely introduce us to Daniels and McBride again as Daniels knows.. and so we cant see these Character awake and awaken more Crew and then see a bit of a struggle between them and David and unleashing the Xenomorph etc....     Not if then we get them land on Origae-6  and then show us scenes set on Origae-6 with colonist, David and Xenomorphs never mind the other parties.

This will again take up a lot of Screen Time...

The more Screen time devoted to Humans and Xenomorphs the more we get into ALIENS and like AVP movies territory and Ridley Scott was not a Fan of the Shoot-em ups as he called them?

THE SOLUTION?

Sadly has to be a Aftermath Flick again... which Alien Covenant was the Aftermath to David and Shaw arriving at a Engineer Populated World.

But this means we could indeed give a very ALIEN type movie, with a Bit of ALIENS thrown in?

HOW?

I think we have to have it that most of the Movie takes place Long after David has arrived on Origae-6 i also think if they are on a Budget we cant have it that Origae-6 is set up as a Colony as David has to deal with Daniels etc and the Colonist, which he could do and have him give some excuse to Daniels Death and then have it show us that Origae-6 is set up as a Outpost and Colony as they start to build it up.... Then David unleashes Hell on them..

But this makes no sense for Davids agenda... why go along with the Colonist, help them start to set up the colony and after they have partially set it up, then unleash the Xenomorph?

Nope a Aftermath Movie set prior is much greater, unless Origae-6 has a Colony set up, maybe a smaller starter one and David unleashes Hell on them?

so its tricky for how to cover this....

Here is how i would TACKLE THIS..

We can at the start or near, or as a flash back have David Narrate to us what he has been up to, show him and have him explain his continued work on Genetically Engineer the Xenomorph and have him in a Lab with Specimens, and Bodies, and maybe Show Daniels with her Chest Opened up like Dr Shaws was... If they want to add more to Budget and Shooting time then also cover in a few scenes what happened to Daniels.

But we are then shown what David was up to to a degree... which could be him talking about continuing his experiments.

Then we get to a Scene.. where Accidentally some Cryo-Pods in the other Parts of the Ship open up, and a few Colonist awake and try to contact MUTHUR who is not responding they explore their Section and all seems fine until they explore another Section of the Ship, where they then discover it is in a more Derelict looking shape like how Hadleys Hope did in ALIENS... They then explore deeper and find the Xenomorphs like Cocooned Resign Hive like Material and wonder what the Hell has happened... before they discover some Dead Bodies and then another group goes off and discover a Egg and gets Face Hugged

They latter find this Person out cold and rush them back to the other Section and Seal off the Doors to the infected part. Maybe the only persons to discover the bodies are the other group whom two become ill. And are discovered passed out, while others are missing... but show the viewer the finding of the Egg and Face Hugger Scenes and a Xenomorph attack from the Dark Scene.

We can then get to a Chest Bursting and have the Survivors Frantically try to Fend off the Xenomorph, while also awaken other Crew.  Then they make a drastic attempt to escape to the surface of Oriage-6

Where they then find the Colony Partially set up, and find David all alone, or better with a few Colonist going about their business as David informs them there was a infection and outbreak and explain the Covenant Mission from a point of view that gets him off the Hook...

The Colonist Told that some of the crew was ill and taken into Cryo-sleep, some died... And Walter (which David pretends to be) managed to Quarantine and Rid of the infection.

Head to Origae-6 and begin the Colonization, only for a few more to be infected from the first Batch of Colonist.  and that Walter (who is David) managed again to contain and rid the infection which he would say was a Virus and find a Cure.

Where he then had to awaken the other Clean Colonist to continue the Colonization and then infected Sections, Walter/David said he Quarantined the Ship and Sadly most of the Colony Cryo-Bays are on Lockdown.  But he managed to Get a Clean Section Group to carry on the work on Origae-6... these Colonists Buy Davids explantions.

In reality David infected and experimented on the Crew, Section by Section, he then put some infected Crew into Cryo-Sleep and then he began moving the Colony Resources to the Surface, and took a few Colonist he kept in Cryo-sleep and awoken and gave them some similar excuse... these Colonist he used to start to Build the Colony.

Then he used them to create Xenomorphs... where he then set up a Area either on the Planet or the Ship to host them, and then bring down a New Batch of Colonists to work on the Colony feeding them his excuse and story.

But its when the escaping Colonist who land on Origae-6 to discover David/Walter and a group of Colonist working on the Colony, that those on Origae-6 get a bit fishy about Walter/Davids Story..

In reality David had began experiments but then due to deploying to Many Infected Hosts the Xenomorphs ran rampant and infected a whole Section changing it to a Hive...  David had then Quarantined that Section and Locked it down then continued to deploy the Colony Resources and  awaken groups to do his work.

But now the colonist find out what Walter was up to, and maybe discover a storage of Embryos where some do not look right...

David then has to Fight them off, and leaves for a Cave System, and they follow him, only to then come across Eggs.  Maybe David instead captures some of them... (colonist) or they only get fishy and those on Origae-6 believe David and maybe he makes out those other Colonist from the ship are up to no Good and the Bad Guys.... but then during a conflict between the Colonist, some discover the Cave and get infected.

Towards the End, David and the Xenomorphs get the upper hand and but then a Engineer Ship arrives....

David could then Face Some of them... and Talk to them and we get Translations... where they inform him they had arrived at Paradise/Planet 4 and know what he did and are here to Stop him....could even go as far as to David ask how they knew where he would be and the Engineer could say we managed to activate your brother and he informed us of your destination.....  Then  just as they are about to kill David he could be protected by some Xenomorphs.

I THINK this could Work.... we would see the Xenomorphs attack from the Dark and not show them too much.... We would not need to visit Planet 4 in order to find out the Engineers had come from there after discovering the damage David had done.

This would logically have to lead to a sequel unless the movie runs for a extra 40 Minutes...

This would indeed uncover 3 Parties... but to uncover a 4th would maybe in a way have it instead of the Colonist Awaken on the Covenant have a Company Ship come in and dock with the Covenant, maybe some dock with the Covenant while another Section head to the Surface.

And have this incoming Human Ship crew be the ones who then discover the horrors on the Covenant?

VivisectedEngineer

@VivisectedEngineer

The Neomorph was cool.  It acted very primitive in it's actions; whereas, a Xeno likes to set traps.  Still, just because something is cool doesn't mean it's scary.  I liked the Neomorph and it kept me thinking and it kept my interest, but the Neomorph was NEVER scary.  It was just unpredictable.

Also, the Ricks and Upworth scene in the shower (I assume that has to be the one you were talking about) was not scary and I don't think it could be scary.  That scene, to me, seemed like a copy of Michael Myers and Halloween movies (or Friday the 13th too).  The people who have sex die, and the virgins survive.  That shower scene was excessive and almost ruined the whole movie for me.  I swear, if I would've saw normally censored parts in that scene, I would have to say Ridley Scott is listening to much and not making a good movie.  Actually, I did see a Upworth's breast for a second, but I guess I'll let that slide.  At the same time, the shower scene is a part of the story.  I don't know how else Upworth and Ricks wouldn't know there is a problem on the ship unless they were fiddling around in the shower with music blasting.  I am not saying the story couldn't be different, but the shower scene in the movie was probably one of the better ideas that the writers came up with.  It must've been, since it was in the movie anyways.  After watching a part of that scene in the trailers, I was really upset.  I am glad that it didn't ruin the movie in the end though.  

The Xeno in the shower was not scary.  The Xeno was more cool looking hiding in the shadows and watching it's prey before the strike.  Then, it's second mouth goes through Ricks mouth.  That is some cool stuff, but that WAS NOT even close to being a scary scene for me.

The part I screamed uncontrollably in Alien was a part where I predicted what would happen, yet I still screamed.  That's good directing there!  Ridley Scott did good in creating fear in Alien and Prometheus, but he failed in Alien: Covenant.  Plus, he said in an interview, "This movie (A:C) is going to scare the $H!t out of people."  This upsets me now, since Alien: Covenant wasn't scary.

Don't get me wrong now, A:C maintained a level of fear throughout the movie.  I was on the edge of my seat almost the whole time, yet there was nothing in that movie that made me scream uncontrollably or made me want to leave the theater.  I did experience those moments of great fear in Alien, Aliens, Alien:Resurrection, and Prometheus.  I can't remember Alien3 much, but I do remember there being scary parts; I just can't remember how scary.  Maybe I should sit down and watch it some day?

@Lawrence of Arabia

T_T Aaaah! Alright, well... This is a horror film after all, let's make things as horrifying as possible!

Walter needs to survive at least long enough to learn of Daniels' fate. Then he can meet some grim end.

(Or maybe, he can be the victim of the scene I suggested to ali81 in another thread: he can be irrevocably lost in the vacuum of space for the rest of his unnaturally long existence.

As he drifts off into the void he should see that his attempt to lure the xeno out the airlock has failed and everyone on board the ship is doomed.)

Beautiful review :-) I want to link my favorite one but not sure...

That's if Walter survives VivisectedEngineer :P Let the anxiety begin!

I saw the trailer for this some time ago but it looked gnarly. Noomi and Dafoe? Sign me up! The concept was pretty neat too, can never have too many Noomi's :P

Onto the Budget Points....

Alien Covenants Production Budget was reportedly $97M now if we assume they was going ahead to shoot the next movie within 18 months from now, with Inflation a $97M Budget from 2016 would be about $102M if they shoot in 2018

The Budget for AC may had included Pre-Production too, which would include any unused concepts, designs, props and models etc.  We can see where a extra budget would have helped Alien Covenant as the Creature Effects department did suffer, the time schedule and budget effected the quality and ability to had given us the Actual Practical Effects kind of Xenomorphs, and a likely change of plan during Production to Post Production meant a majority change to CGI... which again we could see some of this was not Finished in time for even the Trailers in December 2016

Reducing any Budget for a Sequel would mean sacrifices would have to be made. Lets look at some of the more Expensive Elements of Production that would have to be Cut if a Tighter Budget was announced.

1) Large Set Pieces, especially exterior and large scale interior shots.  Every Shot of the Engineers world in Alien Covenant from the Buildings, the Dead Bodies, Statues and even lighting effects etc, would use a Large Budget.

2) Concepts and Ideas exploring new designs for both Ships and Creatures take up some extra budget... If they keep the Creature Design down to just sticking to the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant, this would save money, and even if they give us a slightly different version for some scenes again keeping a design close to the AC Xeno and 1979 Xeno would not required massive concept work.

The same applies to keeping with the Covenant ship and not really having to show many new ships...   So this means a movie that will only have The Xenomorph, the Covenant and maybe one other not to detailed or large incoming Human Ship would require less concept/production work

2b) Expanding on this, keeping as much Production Sets and Props etc and going off the concept/art department for AC for use in the Sequel... if we are set aboard the same ship with the same Xenomorphs.. would SAVE $$$$$

3) Sticking to basic Locations or keeping it in space, would limit the Budget Needed... for example if some scenes are on the Covenant Ship, and other Scenes are on a very Earth like World again, like in Covenant only this time this World has NO Previous Civilization would greatly reduce Production costs.  Again filming in Australia and New Zealand, but a World that has no Intelligent Life or ever had, plus if they kept a lot of the Covenant Ship Sets would SAVE $$$$$$

4) Using new and upcoming actors and not using a large cast would SAVE $$$$ Yes they would have to use Fassbender, but if you look at the Covenants Cast, and you take out TWO from Waterston, McBride, Bichir and Crudrup and replace them with lessor known Actors like the rest of the cast, or like many of Prometheus cast (not inc, Elba, Pearce and Theron) then yes this would SAVE $$$$$ but then would casting Not well known cast with no A or B Lister's be a Mistake?  As sometimes Names draw the viewers.

5) Engineers..... they would have to limit their appearances and looks if they wish to cut the Budget Down... and so showing them on Paradise could add some $$$ to the Budget, but showing a distance shot of a Engineer Ship leaving Paradise with the City in the very distance could reduce Spending.

surely they have the CGI Models for the Juggernaught and Set? If they keep these, especially the Set or even if not, they would have on record all the Digital Models and exterior shots for the Juggernaught/and Docking Ship and so simply re-use the Digital Models would Save some $$$$

Having these Engineers Turn up robed and looking like the Alien Covenant Design would also Save $$$$$

6) Practical Effects... re-using the designed Props and effects from Alien Covenant as far as Eggs, Face Hugger and Xenomorph would  Save $$$$$ and limiting the Screen time and views of the Xenomorph would save $$$$$

However... Applying the Above limits the Movie.. and so there would be NO Alien War Type Movie...

I don't get Netflix so I will never see it. On Hulu, yes but that is unlikely.

viv, decided to have a snack in there before I work up the courage to make a dash for it lol

BD, I get a lot of ur points especially the connection between hugger and xeno. id def be open to seeing some form of different hugger, say a king hugger, but I am of the opinion the xeno is there simply to necessitate the hugger by catching and immobilising the hosts.

I for one don't agree with this 'its one or the other' theory regarding morphing and egg. I really don't get why some people have such a problem with both existing. the queen is what a healthy hive would have as it would shorten the egg producing process for say a largely populated area such as a city where many eggs are required in a short space of time. a drone can evolve into a warrior which in turn can evolve into a queen but only when the basis of the hive is healthy and has sufficient numbers to defend the hive. this could take weeks even months to happen.

egg morphing takes time but is a plausible method for lone xenos to increase their numbers but once those numbers are large enough and the hive well established, and given a decent supply of hosts are available, only then would a warrior of sufficient maturity molt and evolve into a queen which would then speed up the process of egg production and leave the drones and warriors to focus on gathering hosts and defending the hive. the queen then secretes a pheromone that prevents any others from becoming queens themselves, similar to queen bees in a bee hive. I can easily accept both existing

OMG Lawrence of Arabia , all I can think is...poor Walter! He'll be crushed when/if he finds out!

@VivisectedEngineer I don't want Daniels to die XD She was a great character and Waterson is fine as hell but if David is going to be taken as a serious threat I think she shouldn't survive. I'm not sure how I would imagine it. It might be the same as Shaw's. I don't think they'll keep us in suspense her death though, maybe they'll show us in an intro?

Hrmmm...you know those experiments where they hook up an electrode to a rat's brain so he can push a button and get a dopamine rush whenever he likes? Then suddenly, he loses all interest in food and social activities because...again, his dopamine needs are now so much more easily fulfilled?

Well, starting tomorrow it's going to be 100% easy for me to get my Covenant fix anytime I like, 24/7.

It just kind of makes me wonder if I'm going to suddenly disappear from the forums because, while Covenant fans are great; just chatting, reading and day-dreaming about Covenant will always be a distant second to the actual experience of the Covenant movie itself.

This is just a hypothesis but just in case...it's been nice knowing you, other lab-rats! :)

I'm fine with a hero or heroine as long as the character is well developed and well acted.

@ Lawrence of Arabia

You don't want Daniels to survive!? I'm shocked! I mean...I can see your point but...it's just hard for me to contemplate! I was never so attached to Shaw, I guess if Daniels dies before Awakening I'll finally understand how all the Shaw fans felt!

Ok! Trying to keep an open mind and no expectations...

But...Daniels' demise can't be exactly like Shaw's. So, how do you think she'll perish and how will the audience learn of her passing??

@ali81 and VivisectedEngineer

Nice ideas, certainly some good ways to bring back that more Alien Isolation game feel (which i have only played about 15-20 min worth).

Back to OT and those points..

1) I think its a nice suggestion but i think the idea regarding the role of the Face Hugger and Xenomorph already work so well, and so while a Face Hugger could help to lure a Host for a Xenomorph i would still like to see the Face Hugger role as simply to Impregnate a Host.

2) Certainly, i think this would provide a very horrific situation and make the Organisms Life Cycle very interesting and Deadly, i had speculated on here before, what if the Xenomorph's end their Life Cycle by dying but the Xenomorph then breaks down and Morphs into a Egg, thus Repeating the Cycle...

This is not ideal for a Perfect Organism though, but as a custom Engineered Weapon it would be ideal.  So yes the Neomorphs body breaking down and more Spores Developing from the Remains would indeed be very good.

3) Egg Morphing is something i think RS could re-introduce for certain, and how this is done could be changed slightly from the Original, since we have had Prometheus and Alien Covenant, it could show a Xenomorph can infect a Host with a Virus that then breaks down and changes Human Matter into Egg Matter.  So indeed i think the Egg Morphing is something that should be explored. 

However Egg Morphing would kind of conflict with Aliens and the Queen, unless the Queen is a Evolution?  I had considered that the Egg Morph Scene could Logically lead to a Queen or a Queen Face Huger, i have explained reasons for this a number of times before, but would gladly point out why Logically it explains the look of the Scene and the Xenomorphs intentions and actions on the Ship.

4) I think this is interesting, maybe not the design but who knows, if these are Perfect Organisms as far as Procreation then building a Hive would be required and its a nice idea to suggest maybe a slightly different design of Xenomorph is created for this purpose.

For both 3+4 we have to remember Potentially Alien Directors Cut is not considered Canon, we clearly see in the Directors Cut that the Xenomorph in Alien can Egg Morph Hosts but also secret the substance required to build a HIVE

So if they explore how a Hive and/or Egg Morph occur they could go the ideas you have put or similar, or indeed explain the Egg Morph was done by the Drone Type Xenomorph in Alien, and maybe even suggest the Runner in Alien 3 had the same purpose?  To Egg Morph

As far as the Hive, again it could go the route that a Drone is the one that does this, but them their was no Drones seen in Aliens but they could have long past their usefulness... and only Warriors are required from that Stage.

Or they could show that all Xenomorphs include Warriors can secrete Resin like Substance to Produce the Hives etc.

Kethol Of course they don't know know exactly what happened behind the scenes between the production and Giger's state. But all the previous information we have about Giger's participation in the Alien saga seems to indicate that the last time that Fox paid a considerable amount for Giger's services was in 1979. I have seen documentaries where Giger states that he was not wanted for Aliens, for instance. Fox probably is just recycling designs for which they already own the rights. The fact that the citadel doesn't look very gigeresque, the look of Shaw's corpse and the organic look of the new creatures seem to indicate they were not able to use much of Giger's catalogue.

Murica disappoints again! lol

@ali81

Did you ever make it out of that cupboard?? Did you survive??

@Lawrence of Arabia

You're welcome!!

@ali81

XD Yess!! The Shaw cloning idea is catching on!

@BigDave I could see those questions being asked and even used to the films detriment. It's not explained in film (maybe?) but in the novel/Art and Making/Collector's book it states that when David dropped the pathogen the planet/Engineers activated safety protocols to keep it from leaving the planet hence the Juggernauts not working and the storm (a force field) that the crew of the Covenant had to go through to breach the atmosphere.

Now, will it be available say 12:00AM tonight?

Good poster!

I want Olga... and Tom as well. :)

Ok so here is what i noticed, FIRST i FAIL to see why this was not added to the Movie as it added near enough no time at all to the overall movie.

The only TWO Things this shows us that maybe we could not have made out in the Theatrical is that.

1) Indeed many of those Bodies do-not look Engineer Size even by Prometheus 7.5ft comparisons, some of those bodies even look under 6ft for sure.

This Scene with how the Engineers did not quite look the same as those in Prometheus would have just lead fans to Question "are these Engineers?"

2) This extended scene also confirms the Hanger held at least 3 more Engineer Juggernaught Ships.....

This scene would thus have added some Questions like

*why Did David not use one of these Ships and Place his eggs on-board to Escape?

*Why was none of this ships sent to intercept Davids Ship

*Clearly shows what those beings would know all about the Juggernaught Ships, so why did they react so calm until after the Bombardment

It poses the Questions now of...

*Why David chose to pretend to be Walter, why not just find out where the Covenant was going and take after them with a Juggernaught?

*Could David simply Halt the Covenant, conduct experiments and take Hosts for his Experiments and then transport them to a Juggernaught and use that to leave?

So by not having this SCENE...

It would prevent people asking such Questions, because RS/FOX could discount anything shown in the deleted Scenes.

For example... so there was more Engineer Ships on that Planet?

RS could go the NO there was not route, and discount the extended scenes content... much like the Removal of the Elders Scene in Prometheus could mean we cant conclude their are Old Frail looking Elder Hierarchy above the Engineers.

I am sure the Extended Scenes and Extras will allow for some very good debates, its a case as of those in Prometheus which ones can we use to determine whats going on.

Because with Prometheus if you considered some of the extras scenes in that movie it could lead you to a different outcome... One of those being the Engineers Demeanor

I'm ordering the DHD tomorrow as well :D Can't wait to see Covenant again! Prepare to meet your maker I wanna dance with my creator too XD

The baby Xeno is so adorable btw :3 In the novel, David tries to teach it to whistle.

Olga Kurylenko is pretty hot lol We should get another heroine. Daniels, imo, shouldn't survive the trip to Awakening. David is the big bad now and it'll look weak if he lets her escape. A scarier antagonist is the one who succeeds.

My security settings one let this run and when i disable some of them its like less than 1fps slow mind you that Website has so much garbage and spam running in the backround.

Ok disabled some more and managed to see it slowly but then crashed 2nd time due to so many back ground elements interfering with my system settings lol  How much Adverts and Bots does a site need lol

@Starlogger I don't agree about jumpscares always being a cheap resource. If this is true, then Alien (1979) would be a very bad movie. Actually, while I was trying to remember all the jumpscares from the first Alien I realize how crucial they are in the building and release of suspense, and how most of them coincide with the most important plot points in the movie.

daliens I care about the franchise, that is why comparing Covenant to the other movies might help in understanding what went wrong. 

Lawrence of Arabia - I like the actor, Demian Bichir, and I liked the character, but you are right, the movie doesn't reveal much about him. Grandfather? I don't know. I haven't read the book yet. He doesn't look like a grandfather in the film. :)

thanks guys! I do hope they go with Ati's grand war movie, but I fear we are looking at a reduced budget film. So hopefully they can make the most of it.

Lol the Hunter-Killer facehugger is exactly my solution to the Isolation hiding in the air-duct closet for 40 minutes! That won't be an option for long if the xeno sends in the little beasty. More terror, less hiding places!! muhahaha

Perhaps RS could do the claustrophobic thriller with a focus on the Neomorphs for Awakening, just for something new?

I would like to see the Spore Cadaver scenario played out on the Covenant. Imagine killing a Neomorph on the bridge or in the engine room and then the body producing spores contaminating that area. It leaves you with 2 options, either avoid that area at all costs and lose access to vital parts of the ship, OR risking it and potentially give rise to even more Neomorphs and infected crew.