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I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and indeed AC had a number of Flaws... I think a main problem is that a Movie has to be re-scripted to be able to fit within a certain Running Time.

And so even movie drafts that have extra detail and scenes cant be put into a Movie that the Production company want to set a certain time frame... if we look at the extra attention to detail that Lindeloffs Paradise Draft had, it would have taken up a extra 10-15 min of screen time.

Novels have the advantage of adding a bit of extra detail to scenes or adding a few scenes.

I think Alan Dean Foster should be given a part in the next movies Production..... FOX need to get someone to do a Draft based on what ever ideas they have and once a Draft has Evolved...  i would get ADF to read the draft and highlight things they would add/change if they was to do a Novel off this Draft....  Then FOX looks at ADF Suggestions and applies most of them.

I think we would have ended up with a well polished story then.

I think you misunderstand. It wasn't concepts Giger designed for Alien they were told not to use. If you look at the art Matt and Dane have posted online, you will see that in a few instances they exactly copied Giger paintings that had nothing to do with Alien, including Necronomicon 4, and in a few other drawings they did there were strong similarities to some non-Alien Giger paintings.

Anything Giger designed or painted for the production belongs to Fox. Anything outside of that belongs to the Giger estate and would have to be negotiated and approved for use with the estate.

It is very strange to see people call the figures in the poster Engineers, since outside of being shaved they do not look like Engineers. They always looked like generic humans to me. Nothing I saw ever said Engineer to me, and that's coming from a huge fan of Prometheus who loves the idea of Engineers.

Now looking at it as if those figures could be strangely Engineers it still looks ancient, like an event that happened long ago or just never happened at all. Still comes off as very abstract representation of the film just giving themes of Xenomorphs which were present.

So I guess misleading is a very subjective term.  

Whatever Michelle says has got my vote, although I appreciate Apacheizm for speaking out bluntly! Good movies gain steam after opening and box office matters greatly Batchpool. Unless Ridley did some drastic changes which I doubt then a later release means nothing better would result, imo. I don't care which way Fox rolls just give me believable characters and a coherent plot without the pretentiousness. The cash is there in the general public to buy into the franchise but.......Fox has to broaden their approach to find (great script) and (new creative but competent director). Who that director is idk but it's not Scott! Finish up the prequels or take a break, do it much cheaper with new characters is fine, David killed by xenos along with the Ripley clone and cowboy hat. Covenant made such a mess killing Prometheus (Shaw+ engineers)  that Awakening/WarWorlds might not be even reasonable. 

I had always thought that alien labirinth would make an exelent film. tons of stuff would have to be added.

Chris

"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning".

This is why some would consider the title misleading. It does not concern me and I know we are talking about a new story elsewhere in the ALIEN UNIVERSE but the word reboot means start again for many.  

Covenant was an entertaining routine movie which within the overarching story was a filler movie. 

Reading the internet its clear this issue of what comes next and questioning the prequels continuation has now developed momentum which with continual repetition creates its own reality.

If Fox believe they can take the Xeno morph and make it the centre of a franchise to rival Star Wars they are mistaken. Real horror narrows it down and the creature itself has nothing more to reveal unless you wanna know whether the pipes on its back are for snorkelling.

The misreading of the Prometheus feedback is the real issue and its taken them to make a  routine ALIEN prefix movie to see that.

If I was Fox and I wanted to get some momentum into the franchise for the 16-25 year old North American and Asian audience I would after a long pause restart with a completely new set of characters free from all the Ripleyism's and Davidism's and just take some of the themes from the earlier films.

What Prom and Covenant demonstrate is they are weighed down and boxed in with so many preconceived needs (we are, we are not making a prequel to Alien, oh yes we are) including those of the director, they come out incoherent and muddled. We know about the movements that went on when Prometheus was being filmed we know about the tortuous path taken from 2013 to 2015 all of that demonstrates uncertainty which a brand new storyline with a coherent over arching narrative would not suffer from.

And when they release the AA I hope they DON'T GIVE TOO MUCH AWAY MONTHS BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE MOVIE. And stay clear of Ripley and Neil Blomkamp. 

@Lawrence

"George-TheGreek

I totally agree. David is fascinated with Lawrence and tries to emulate him. "

And not only that, he could have been Peter himself he resembles him a lot. One reason Michael was chosen for this role, is his resemblance to Peter O'Tool.

Lawrence of Arabia no worries mate. I like Katherine Waterston as an actress and hope that she continues in the Alien franchise, and be allowed to grow into the next steely-eyed heroine like Weaver lol. But until then, bring in Katee Sackhoff

thanks Ati! 

some great choices there sosse!!! especially Charlotte Rampling and Jérémie Renier..Brotherhood of the wolf fan?

Though my heart skipped a beat at first thinking you meant Jeremy Renner lol.   

IRaptus - Yes, it is confirmed, you can find info about it here on the site, just look at the Predator news section!

'he tried to improve the science of the story, corrected situations that made characters be perceived as stupid, added brief explanations for exasperating aspects of the creatures' depiction in the film, like the accelerated life cycle of the alien, and even cast some doubt on the idea that David created the xenomorph.'

I think it is fairly tiring and annoying that every topic posted by you is centred around the same things trying to manipulate the readers of the site against the makers of the movie, against the David fans, and trying to generate hatred against Scott, etc.

It is called trolling.

I must quote you: "Get out of here!"

'This begs the question: couldn't many of these issues have been prevented on the set? And who is to blame for letting them make their way into the movie?'

Without doubt, Fassbender is responsible for these issues because everybody on the set was concentrating on the way how he changed the oxygen molecules in his body:

Rooney Mara is brilliant in the David Fincher movie 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' (2011):

Liscary - The Han Solo movie will be released next year in May, Glover will play the young Lando Calrissian who owned the Millenium Falcon, that's why I wrote that he flew into...

Ati- I'd ask what you mean by "flew into" but I haven't seen that movie so please, no spoilers!

I also found Weaver attractive in Alien 3, I love my women tough lol I've never found her cute till I watched Alien XD and yes IRaptus! Her resurrection look was badass. I do disagree about the doey eye girls, Weaver was one in 79 and, idk, cute girls being tough gets me :P

George-TheGreek

I totally agree. David is fascinated with Lawrence and tries to emulate him. 

MU/TH/UR 9000

Great point. I'm surprised I forgot to mention that lol

BigDave

Excellent analysis, this is a tale of hubris, callousness, and carelessness  set in the cruel indifference of space. It resonates with the original 4 films.

Jérémie Renier

Charlotte Rampling

Charlotte Gainsbourg

Gael Garcia Bernal

Laurent Lafitte

Thanks Ati, has Tom Jane been confirmed to be in The Predator yet??!! God i hope so, great actor! 

IRaptus - Awesome list! Tom Jane is my big fav, but he joined the Predator Universe, so...

cuponator3000 - Daisy Ridley is owned by the Star Wars Universe, that can be a problem...

JonesRules - Melanie Laurent is beautiful...

Liscary - Donald Glover? I like him but he flew into the Star Wars Han Solo movie...

'I never found Sigourney Beaver, sorry Weaver, attractive until Alien 3 with a shaved head. Is that weird?'

Not weird at all. Probably that is your fetish. Observe your childhood and you can find its root. :)

Zzzzz... Hgrrrr... Zzzzz.... Hgrrrr... Zzzzzzzzzz....

@lRaptus   Katee Sackhoff, hell yeah, yes please! Her in Battlestar and Riddick! I think you just cast the new Alien movie female lead, if there is another one. And yeah I think you are 100% right about the perm.

And yeah some of the people mentioned in these comments would do it for sure but not the Rooney Mara's and Daisy Ridley's, she's pretty tied up at the moment, of the world would.

Dr. Curt Connors i totally agree, perhaps it was the '80s perm. The shaved head really suited her, and her look in Resurrection was also very strong but feminine. There is real strength and determination in her eyes.

Daniels and even Shaw were too doe-eyed for me. Bring in Katee Sackhoff as the next lead!!!

No A list, meaning Academy Award winning or nominee or Golden Globe winning or nominee, actor or actress is going to touch this franchise with a ten foot pole right now. Sorry to be blunt, I don't even think if Fassbender had not been in Prometheus before Covenant that he would even do it now. Yes Bichir has been nominated for an Academy Award and Fassbender multiple times and Franco, he really isn't even in the movie, but nobody else in Covenant is really a big name. Crudup, Waterston and McBride I'm sure most people have heard that know movies but I'm just saying not big names to the general public. They would have to get a cast for any future Alien movie, unless they go the Ripley route, similar to Covenant but minus the couple bigger names except Fassbender and returning cast members like Waterston and McBride if they even came back. Because this franchise isn't what it once was. I know I am missing the point of this topic but I'm just saying alot of things need to change, and maybe are, to get this franchise back to where it was. Hire a really great film director, sorry Ridley you just don't got it anymore, and great writers and you will get an A list cast. But does any really great film director even want a gig like this now with this franchise the way it is? Maybe it's just better for it to end?

dk yes. glad you liked it. I think O'Bannon actually got the idea of the alien lifecycle from the spider eating wasp.

Well yeah David ruined it but there were alot of other things that did too, alot.

This was one of the worst, if not the worst movie of 2017. What a major disappointment. They outta let BigDave and Chris from SciFied produce the next movie regardless of which way they want to go. I am sure it would of been better than the crapola of a flick covenant was. If I had the $$$$ I would try and sway Fox in some way or another to make sure to get the next one rite!

I never found Sigourney Beaver, sorry Weaver, attractive until Alien 3 with a shaved head. Is that weird? Never found her attractive in Alien, Aliens, or Ghostbusters 1 and 2. Yeah those crotch shots with that thick b**h, haha. This thread is dirty and I feel violated, just kidding. Great article by the way.

I've been hashing out my own Alien story and these two come to mind as characters:

BigDave I have no preference on actors as long as they do a good job. As far as your post regarding size, it could be a great idea to use smaller folks or kids as Sir Scott did in Alien and was done in the Star Trek reboot.

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Hahaha,  Thanks Big Dave

I don’t particularly have a problem with the title of this thread. In fact I find it quite revealing. It is quite obvious that Fox have look at the options open regarding how the franchise could develop. But first I will address the brass facts of the whole operation. When Prometheus was released, it managed to pull in a nice tidy sum that would secure production of another instalment. The returns in 2012 indicated that there was plenty of revenue to be gained by proceeding further in producing more instalments.

Well here we are in 2017, looking at what the hell happened in terms of what revenue should have been generated from Alien Covenant.

At some point, something went tits up. That may be the first impression anyone gets by looking at the returns from the latest instalment. The reality is that there has been a cumulative problem building up since the release of Prometheus.

I personally like Alien Covenant as a middle of the road action Sci-fi movie. What is wrong with that? I wanted to see it in a cinema. I was prepared to put my hand in my pocket and enjoy the ride, which I did. I am not saying it was the pinnacle of Sci-fi movie going experiences but I enjoyed it non the less. If you have a problem with that then fuck off. My opinion on what entertains me is not going to be dictated to by anyone else’s opinion but my own.

Yes, there are certain aspects of AC I would call into question, because it is not a perfect movie. There are those moments when it is like watching a fly belching, simply because you know it is the same shit repeating. When it comes to contemplating on the residual odour of a farting house fly, then there is something that does not smell right about AC.

Since the release of Prometheus there has been a decline in cinematic viewers, so less bums on seat. 2016 was one of the worst years ever for incoming revenue from cinema goers in general. It was predicted and anticipated that 2017 would be a bad year for returns. So why in the name of Satan’s fucking gonads is there such furore about the performance of AC ?  Some point at performances being flatter than a witches tit. At the point of release back in May, trying to find a positive review on any movie was as likely as getting a blow job off the Pope.

I don’t know who is responsible for marketing at Fox, but it is like someone read through The Dummies Guide of How and When Not to Release a Movie, took onboard the guidelines and completely ignored them.

AC could not have been released at a worst time. Some village somewhere is missing it’s idiot and Fox need to release them from whatever contractual obligations they have them signed up for.

On the plus side, if there is one positive aspect that has been proven is that there is still life in the old franchise yet. Despite all the negativity, there still exists a revenue stream. The bottom line is quite simple, when the Fox execs have had their group therapy sessions with the accountants at Vogon HQ, There is still a hardcore interest in fans who want to see more.

Just look at what AC has had to compete with. On one hand there are those who wanted to see more from the Alien universe, whilst on the other, there are those who wanted to put their hands in their pockets and grab their loose change to watch the leading roles of Wonder Woman bounce across a big screen.

At this point it really does not matter who liked AC. Fox have been thinking things through, and we must acknowledge their forward thinking. Fox know what opportunities could lie ahead. Looking at the broad strokes, there will be a new instalment, but jumping a little further ahead, if Fox are looking at the option of a major re-boot, all I have have to say is this. Blomkamp! Grab yer coat! I think you’ve pulled.

Being Serious though i agree Peter Capaldi could make a Good Corporate Type Character.

Laura Prepon looks a bit Robotic she would do for a Female Synthetic.

Jeremy Sheffield i think could play a really Good Android, he is very good at playing the Emotionless yet evil kind of Character.

Maybe if they went the whole Alien 5 route.. i did mention this before... but Ronda Rousey does look very similar to Carrie Henn both as a Child and as a Adult

I would even say RR looks more like a Grown up Newt than Carrie Henn does LOL as Carrie has lost that mark under her Eye.

Hey if RS/FOX want to pass the Torch onto Newt as the Next Xenomorph Kicking Heroine... well Rhonda fits that role.. but then she is a unknown as far as Acting as she has not had much of a career but then RS is known to give people Big Breaks ;)

New crew of the Nostromo

@JonesRules

Only if David 8 Shrinks per movie like the Engineers ;)

@dk

Yes! Do check it out! It's a collection of 19 stories. But, skip straight to "Broken" because it's great!