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I liked it. I really enjoyed seeing Weaver in those tiny panties and the crotch shots lol Scotts original ending sounds amazing though.

If Ripley has a happily ever after ending after Aliens, it defeats the nihilistic tone this franchise needs. I don't want Alien to be a superhero franchise. I loved 3 for taking the franchise back into the darkness. Newt, Hicks, and Bishop death were heartbreaking but effective and fit Alien. The dog/ox Xeno added more to the mythos. I love Resurrection for being experimental and bringing the erotism back to the forefront. The Newborn was a fantastic concept. Each film adds another layer to the franchise and it would be a shame to just erase them. That's my opinion though. 

From the original post here quoting Fox statement I dont see any attempt to reboot the alien franchise but rather continue the franchise after aliens or alien resurrection.

A reboot would mean to ignore Alien, redesign the creature.

I really hope the Alien we saw in AC was a variant which David created based on what he found from the engineers.

I dislike David being the creator of the alien. It's ok that he recreated it but i hope the biomechanic one should be created way before him.

Alien Covenant failed because it was neither a proper sequel to Prometheus nor a proper prequel to Alien.

It was a lackluster b movie with a movie vusuals.

Lawrence of Arabia - What do you feel at the end of Alien? :)

Indeed i hope they dont Ret-con a thing... doing so to the Prequels would be BAD... doing so to Aliens would be quite BAD too.

Alien 3 on wards i think as a alternative continuation from Aliens could work, but i think if they go this route and it does better than the Prequels... we could see a Alien 5, Alien 6 etc and then see Miss Weaver in Alien movies at the age of 75-80.

I would rather them do a Blomkamp as far as maybe offer a alternative to Alien 3, but do so where Miss Weaver does not have a massive role, and one where she clearly passes on the Torch.  I would rather see her return more in a diplomatic kind of Role kind of like Princess Leia from The Force Awakens Crossed with Ripley from Aliens as far as the first half of the movie.   What i mean is i dont think she should be no more evolved than Harrison Fords was as Han Solo in Force Awakens and maybe give her a similar Send Off (i.e She Dies) so the Torch can be passed.

I dont want to see her at 77 years old walking around in a Powerloader trying to Kick Queen Ass....

I would rather FOX  get the Prequels done, and then try something similar, either Parallel to Alien Timeline of 2122-2179 that could involve Paradise/Planet 4 or LV-223 or something that comes from these places...  or even if its a Mission to LV-223 set between the events of Prometheus and Alien.

But i think FOX will just go back to making another movie or TWO after the Prequels again about the Xenomorph and no doubt Ripley...

I hope to God they don't do Neil's fanfic drivel. After David's tale is properly finished, start up after Resurrection with a whole new cast. If they NEED Ripley do Ripley 8 and end her story and pass on the torch. Retconing 3 and 4 would be a travesty and you can't take a franchise seriously if they callously erase established films, its uncreative. 

@BigDave

I like your idea. I'd like to consider "Broken" canon because it's such a great story.

Yet, if canon is down to personal preference...can I personally consider Alien 3 not canon? Overall, it is a well-written and well-directed movie, but I would sort of like to just...cover my eyes and ears and imagine that Bishop and Newt have not died, lol.

The term "canon" originates in Catholicism right? Well, I've heard that there are "Cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose what works best for them. I'm considering becoming a "Cafeteria-Alien-Fan", k? ^-^ ...La la la, I can't hear you! Newt and Bishop are fine! Bishop got repaired and he's back to being top-of-the-line again! la la la!

@IRaptus

I'm sure I'd like to give my thoughts on them! Have you read them? Is there a specific one you'd recommend? So far, I really liked the Bishop story.

Love your analysis especially the last part regarding Ripley and Xeno. Very well put. Kudos :)

So they have to at LEAST give us a Alien Covenant Sequel, and decide are they going for or against Davids Experiments leading to the Eggs on the Derelict... and the Derelict/Space Jockey thus being a Event some up to 10 years prior to ALIEN?

If they choose to U-Turn and have it David just Re-created or Evolved what the Engineers had came across or created Thousands of years earlier, then as long as they State David Re-created it and give details to how the Engineers had seen/obtained similar in the past... then Job Done... they can get away with not Spoon Feeding the Space Jockey Event.

After this..... they then need to consider what Fans want to see and will have no Need to Rush into doing any more movies Unless...

They intend to have then set around. Ripley or David again... i would rather they End Davids journey in the Next movie, or Next TWO if they go the TWO Part route.

And then explore something different.... But i think FOX will still think the Franchise is about the XENOMORPH and trying anything a bit different could still give fans something to complain about.... For Some Fans only BLOMKAMPS ALIEN 5 would do...

But if FOX went with this (instead of a Prometheus sequel) and it Failed to do well, this could have spelt a bit of Doom as far as a Prometheus Sequel...

If it was a Major Success again it could spelt Doom for a Prometheus Sequel.

Imagine it now.... regardless if IMDB etc gave Alien 5 a 6/10 or 60-65%  as long as say the Budget of lets say $110-120M (which with Weaver i think FOX would at least risked that) and if a say $110-120M Budget returned a say $350-400M Box Office.

This would no doubt have led to a Alien 6, with Ripley again and Alien 7 with Ripley again and over and over...

But i think with FOX its about $$$$$ and if this makes them more Money, then potentially they could make the Prequels tie into Ripley and the Xenomorph and then do another few with them... which for a lot of the Fans would be Overcooking it.

As long as they don't retcon a thing and Scott gets to properly finish his prequels, I'm great. FOX would be the biggest douche not to give Scott, the creator of this universe,the respect he deserves and let him finish his tale uncompromised. The film didn't blow up the box office but it didn't flop either and I'm sure they are making a lot of money in merchandise and then we got the home video release coming up. The film was also critically acclaimed. It would upset a lot of people if the prequels go unfinished.

'At that moment, the xeno was expressing the point of view of the audience, not its own.' -- Exciting thought, more than exciting...

'Ripley penetrates the xeno with a bolt, and triumphs. The moment is passed, the audience is lulled with peaceful music, and we forget that, for a moment there, we sat on the shoulder of the monster, wanting what it wanted, looking that way it was looking.'

murnau - Believe it or not, at the end of the movie when the xeno is falling out of the Narcissus shuttlecraft, I always feel that I am together with the monster. Not on its shoulder, but I am the monster. :) Of course, it is because of the editing and others may feel the same but the act of throwing out is so real. Yeah, don't analyse that, please. :)

I should add that I do not feel anything towards the xeno, there is no sympathy at all! And I'd like to stress that I don't like the second part of Alien at all. I LOVE the first half of it, but the second half is not for me. Perhaps these two things are connected, that's why the end of the movie seems to be uncomfortable.

Two interesting/relevant things:

Probably you know that the script of Alien was put together from two main storylines, we see two movies in one.

Ridley Scott originally wanted to kill Ripley at the end of the movie, that would have been a totally different version of the triumph you mention...

So ultimately who knows what FOX plans are....

There is the posibility of a Reboot, but will they reboot the whole Prequels, as if Prometheus and Alien Covenant did not happen? The only way this would make sense is if FOX are very disappointed with the Angle of David and the Engineers look and connections to our Creation..... for some Fans this would be GREAT...   for others who enjoyed the Big Questions Prometheus was trying to answer... it would be a Injustice.

If they abandon Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and ignore the Prequels or Reboot them and these movies also FAIL to achieve what the Original TWO did (Alien and Aliens) then i feel the Franchise would have become a complete joke.. This does not matter if the Franchise is not to be taken serious like the Nightmare on Elm Street Movies.... but the Friday the 13th ones were to be taken Serious and look what a joke they became.

FOX need to stick with the Plot set out from Prometheus and Alien Covenant, the Question is did their plans mean TWO Movies and how do they then condense down this to a SINGLE Movie that links before Alien and how much of those Questions from Alien do they answer or leave ambiguous and what reaction would the Fans have?

The Fanbase is so wide now as far as personnel likes and dislikes that they are not going to please every single Fan... so they need to take what the Fans want and THROW IT IN THE BIN!

They need to not Cave into bringing a Ripley Connection...

They need to sit down and Answer the Following and then work out TWO movies or a 3 hour one that will cover these.

*So are we sticking with David creating those Eggs? If not we need to show that he has perfected them and his perfections do-not lead to the Derelict.  But then they have the choice, do they answer what happened to the Derelict, or leave it ambiguous.  Because if they U-Turn and the Eggs on the Derelict are not from Davids experiments... they face having to explain the Derelict Eggs to some degree, do they do this and keep some mystery or do they have to Spoon Feed and show us what happened... like Alien Covenant does not Spoon Feed us what happened to Dr Shaw, only the outcome... Dr Shaw's Corpse is thus just as the Space Jockeys was in Alien... do the fans need to see the Space Jockey getting those Eggs and getting Face Hugged... If THEY change it that David did not create those Eggs?

*If they stick with David creating the Eggs and these or something from these lead to the Eggs on the Derelict, then THEY have to sit down and Pen Down and Stick too... a way they intend to eventually show us this.  Which will envolve showing the Space Jockey Events... and if they intend to tell this over TWO movies they have to Back and Stick with this TWO movie plan, even if the first part proves to be a Flop, they cant leave it a mystery or do a U-Turn... if they are concerned of this Scenario then they have to fit this whole connection into ONE MOVIE

*The Engineers, they need to plan how they are to introduce them back into the Time Line Prior Alien in 2122 and Post Alien Covenant.  And they then have to address how this happens, RS teased some Engineers Return to Paradise/Planet 4 and so no doubt they are going to be Pretty Pissed Off!!! and want to find the Culprit and Prevent any more of this (Humans and Androids being able to meddle with Engineers Tech and the Black Goo).  So if some of these Engineers are to arrive at the place where David is off too, and all Hell Breaks Lose... FOX/RS need to bare in mind the Outcome of this, how it connects to the Space Jockey and Stick to their GUNS.... If such a Plot Needs TWO Movies then Stick to it, treat the Next TWO movies just like the Last Harry Potter where the next one has to continue the same Plot...DIRECTLY... or again condense it  into ONE MOVIE

We do not need to be told in any real Detail what David did prior to Alien Covenant, or what happened to Shaw or even any in depth details of the Engineers Agenda and Plans...  They can keep some of this a Mystery.

They can then Gauge the Reaction to the next 1-2 Movies about David going off with those Face Huggers and nearly 2000 Colonist and Embryos and off to maybe Origae-6 where no doubt they will eventually be intercepted by some other Humans, and Engineers....  And then how the aftermath of this Event leads to a Engineer Ship Returning back to the Zeta 2 System and ending up on LV-426

Depending how this is received FOX can then cover other movies to answer the Questions about the Engineers, or they could proceed with bringing Ripley back... but i fail to see the Need other than that RIPLEY, XENOMORPHS AND THE QUEEN are all what The Public would connect when you Mention the Alien Movies.... so like if this was a Question on Family Feud/Fortunes where they asked 100 people about what comes to mind with the Alien Franchise and they wanted the Top 5 Answers... these 3 will no doubt be in the Top 3

While these are the THINGS the Casual Public would associate with the Movies, they need to not crack in and think they need to reintroduce them all to make ALIEN Movies make $$$$

But i do Fear this is what FOX will most likely do....

Also FOX have not backed Alien Covenant as well as they needed, $97M is not much for a Block Buster Attempt... looking at Prometheus they needed with inflation to be looking at $140-150M, if they are going to make another Movie and they are reluctant with the Budget but intend to bring back Ripley using Miss Weaver, she could and likely will hold out for a Big Pay Check, and would cost more than casting the Alien Covenant Survivors and Guy Pearce Combined and thats without the cost of Digital De-aging.  This cost a lot of money in Rogue One (Tarkin) and Terminator Genisys (T-800) and while they made passable results, they did not have much screen time and so having to CGI like that a Character who would appear in say 50% of all Scenes would be more expensive and such things would have a detrimental effect on other Budget for other Stuff

We can clearly see where a extra $30-40M for AC could have helped especially with the Xenomorph and Neomorph.

idk 

but.. 

At least here at Scified, we have the animated series and forum :D  

A great way for fans to see some of their theories come to life.

Episode 2 is on its way guys! hang in there! 

wow very well written, articulate and thought provoking thread! A very interesting read murnau!! Upvoted 

I can see why people could think the title is misleading...

I dont think FOX have Officially come out and mentioned anything regarding the future of the Franchise, its only the supposed Hollywood Reporter Sources.  Which we have to not read to much into.

Only RS who has made comments about the Future and sometimes he appears to be completely lost in what he is saying as he can mention one thing ONE time and then ANOTHER the next time, so we have to Question if RS or FOX have any idea where they are going.. or is it all a case of make it up and change as they go along?

Ridley Scott had said when he was working on the Martian that they will return to the Prometheus/Alien Franchise again and he has 1-2 Movies planned that will explore the burning Questions from Prometheus and also those left from Alien.

Then when he announced Alien Paradise Lost, which then a few weeks latter became Alien Covenant he had mentioned the plans were to make a New Trilogy that would directly link to Alien, and that he hoped to make 2-3 more movies before we get to the Back End of Alien.

It seems this was still the Plan after Alien Covenant was released, it appeared RS had intended to do another TWO movies after Alien Covenant that would link back to Alien.

He also had said that he was taking a Page from the Star Wars books and George Lucas as far as how to expand the Franchise, and this may be ambiguous but RS did say he feels they do another 6 Alien Movies.

RS then did come out and say that they will be making another TWO movies to link to Alien, and that after that they could do more HOWEVER.. that these Movies have to be about HIM (The Xenomorph) you cant go and do prequels to the prequels and you cant do Parallel stories but you a have to follow a direct thread, a single peice of thread that revolves around HIM (The Xenomorph).  This seemed to tell me that they was intending on having the set of prequels after Alien Covenant as driving directly in the Time Line from 2104 ==> 2122 well from the end of Alien Covenant right to the Derelict/Space Jockey of Alien.

RS did mention they could EVOLVE HIM (The Xenomorph)

A concern from around this time however is RS hinted they could De-age Miss Weaver to introduce Ripley again... which is a bit of a Mess unless they intended to give us a alternative Sequel to Alien or Aliens.... thus discounting some of the Original Movies like Blomkamps idea would have.

RS had latter still said they could do another 6 Movies and that they could go the whole War of the Worlds with this Franchise, that was what he wanted but he joked FOX dont know that yet.

And so we then come to FOX, they are the ones who will determine what happens next, especially considering how Alien Covenant did not do too well... so indeed its likely they have some re-assessing to do... regardless if the Hollywood Reporter link is true or not..

VivisectedEngineer I would like to know your thoughts on the short stories when you finish reading it all :) 

hopefully it is a good read 

also i really would like to know more about the enigmatic Palatine xenomorph

I believe a spinoff is a better idea than a prequel or sequel for things like that. I don't think a spinoff can hurt canon as bad as a prequel can. To give an example: the Ewoks movie, admittedly a bad movie, did not change the perception of the Star Wars saga nor infuriated the fans as much as the prequels did. Same with AVP.

Agree with Ati some of the Dark Horse comics/novelisations could be a good source of inspiration for future films. I think in another thread some time ago we discussed the idea of FOX doing the Earth Wars trilogy + Genocide (the picture above) as a TV series.

To expand the universe they really need to cover the infestation and decline of Earth to the really punch home how dangerous this species is.

They even have some excellent lead characters in Wilkes and Billie (who are basically re-badged Hicks & Newt) but are different and deep enough to be their own characters

My problem with the Dark Horse comics is the introduction of Royal Jelly and resulting Xeno-zip drug which attempts to commoditise the Xenomorph and diminish its worth and mystery. Again it just leads to them space insects with their "honey".

Genocide and the war between the two xenomorph strains could be a very interesting movie if done well!! 

That is the right thing to do. Everything has a cycle. However, if this new timeline is going to acknowledge all that came before, I don't see why the Engineers couldn't be part of this new timeline.

I am not sure everyone would want to see Xeno vs Xeno Warfare, but i guess a number of people would... i do think its unlikely FOX will take this route though.

But who knows.... i dont even know if FOX know what to do at the moment.

I think Canon can be a personnel choice, i have not read the stories from the Book you have, but i know some of the other Books are considered Canon where its revealed Aliens is not the 2nd time Ripley had dealt with the Xenomorph, was this Rover of Pain?  i dont know as i had no interest in a story that places a event between Alien and Aliens as far as in Canon.

To me Ripley went to Cryo-Sleep at the End of Alien and awoken at the beginning of Aliens.. Nothing in between.

Yet the story about her in between is considered canon, but not as far as i am concerned which is why i think Canon should be a personnel Preference unless a series of Movies do not add up to the events.. which the book concerning Ripley between Alien and Aliens to me seems like it would conflict what the movies showed.

Whatever works. If they made a new timeline I'd be ok as long as everything still fits canonically.

Thanks Ati - and yes, Freudian nakedlunch, but I don't take that as a negative thing. To say 'Freudian' seems to knock my ideas into a box, as if to say 'that's over there, I've named it, it needn't trouble us anymore'. But the questions, the themes in Alien (and A:C) are still there, larger than life, and it's worth thinking about them, and how they relate to our pleasure as we watch. If they weren't there, the Alien franchise would be boring and meh. What Giger did with his creature, and what Scott did with Alien, is to weave these hidden desires, fears, horrors and taboos into the visual and movie medium, for us to dine upon, be entertained and provoked by. Giger and Alien is in the realm of the obscene, transgressive desire, that lives within all of us. We are the Aliens really. . . .

Awesome! That Jockey is from the next movie, no doubt! :)

Wow, your lines are poetry, I think.

Awesome! We should look at the different concept art works showing the columns. Perhaps those reveal more. I'm going to collect some from my previous topics.

Here you are:

I don't think they will adapt these comics, but they can serve as useful sources for new scripts. Or... perhaps for spinoffs?

VivisectedEngineer --

'Is Aliens: Bug Hunt Canon?' - No, it isn't. :)

And everybody please don't forget that Alien Covenant is canon and you can own it on digital HD from August 1.

Enjoy the canon, enjoy the Covenant!

Is it 100% sure?I want the prequel trilogy by Scott.And every other alien movie by Scott.

No worries at all haha, just explaining why the title is structured the way it is. :) Regarding your profile, I'll discuss via PM.

Anytime I hear the term "reboot" I cringe.  As much as I love this series, I feel like we're on a slippery slope towards exhausting this franchise to the point of embarrassment (yes I'm talking about you Terminator Franchise).  All I want at this point is for them to realize the mistakes they have taken with these prequels and finally deliver the story that was supposed to be told..."The Engineers and their relationship to the Alien."  After seeing Covenant, my expectations have been considerably lowered for what they plan to do next especially with the same players involved, that being the execs at Fox and Ridley. 

At this point, I would rather see the Alien 5 that Blomkamp was touting and give something most fans would enjoy going to see.  I hate the fact they pushed his movie aside in favor of what we got in Alien: Covenant.  What a waste of an opportunity!  

It is an interesting time to be a fan of this franchise... First off, I think that they NEED to finish this storyline. I mean, as Chris said, the reaction to Covenant's jump in time and mostly disregarding of Prometheus has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. Combine that with the mixed-to-negative overall reaction of the film itslelf... It was a misfire of sorts. If there is truth to what this person close to The Studio is saying, then hopefully they stick with their original idea to do one more movie before moving on to something different. End this storyline with a few more concrete answers and give Fassbender and Scott one more chance to have fun with the character of David, some cosmic horror, and grand mythological ideas.

Now, I like the idea of more movies. Starting way after Ressurection is also cool becasue the history stays inact and now here is another chance to really build something more cohesive and.. trusted (Fox keeps having these knee-jerk reactions to Ridley Scott's forays back into the Alien franchise.)

I am definitely all for (although it is a lilttle bit cliche at this point) a new franchise or connected universe that brings in mulitple writing teams, directors, etc.. Most importantly though, I think this kind of thing would require a continuity team or something (similiar to what Disney has for Star Wars with... Pablo Hidalgo leading it, I think?.) The disconnect between viral marketing, films, behind the scenes tidbits, interview statements, and books is bonkers with these prequel stories. I mean, damn! That was also sort of an issue with the sequels to Alien (so far) because they were basically fresh starts everytime.

Still though, it would be cool  if Ridley Scott kind of sat on a throne and was, like, a Producer for all of the new sequels (IF this does end up happening one day.) He should still contribute, because a lot of his big picture ideas and the themes present in Prometheus and Covenant are awesome (so he might help some of the projects along with one or two dynamite ideas), but he can still direct plenty of other projects while having a chance to influence new Alien movies. 

@MonsterZero

Please please PLEASE write some fan fic!!! I'm seriously dying to read it.

I guess I would recommend male for the human/synth (but that's probably because I'm going through a bit of a Bishop phase right now. If Call was my character of the moment, I'd probably recommend female).

Plus, I guess, the whole feral, experimented-upon, super-human female archetype risks becoming a little cliche too. We may already have enough Ripley 8 and River Tam types as it is.

Or, maybe we don't, it's up to you! Whatever direction you go with your fan-fic, I'm sure I'll love it just the same.

trying to help you :) 
also, I messaged you about deleting my profile, can you do that please. 

Again, I'm careful with the terminology I use. If people refuse to educate themselves and read why the title is the way it is, that's their loss. But the title is reflective of the editorial content and thus, not misleading. According to Collider, Fox are planning a soft reboot of the franchise, with or without a Covenant sequel it seems. It's not a remake, it's a soft reboot. And it is "reportedly" so, according to a third party source, and not an official Fox statement. The "?!" also adds a sense of exclamation and questioning to the phrase. I don't structure my articles for lazy readers lol It takes less than a minute to read a couple paragraphs and become aware of the topic. This is a blog, not Twitter. I have more than 125 characters to elaborate on subject matter, so I do.

I really like AC but I'm aware it's quite flawed. I don't think David ruins it at all, I think the fact that the narrative chose to stick with the Alien/s formula was a massive mistake - rather than less David I think the whole thing should have been told from his perspective. It is in effect an origin story, but we neglect the origin story in favour of the 'humans travel into deep space and stumble on something bad' story, which has been done, many many times before. The David story is actually very original, it's a shame that (I assume Fox) didn't have the confidence in that and instead opted to try to make something that fits within the existing Alien formula instead. Quite frankly I'd have been happy if the Alien never made an appearance in the film so long as the origin story was strong. It's not so hard to believe that a synthetic evolved the Alien, the most interesting part of the story is the one revolving around the idea of creation and what happens when the idea of a supreme creator - a god is removed. In essence it's what happens when Frankenstein's monster starts creating monsters of his own, especially when that monster is pretty much designed to kill its creator's creators! But you know, a lot of people, studio included seem to want the accidentally happen upon alien, run from alien, kill alien story - because apparently we don't have enough of that exact same story in the franchise already! 

genuinely sorry to hear you are having that trouble with them. 

if I had any contact details to pass on to you I would, fingers crossed you get it resolved and enjoy the hugger soon :)