Fox to make Alien vs Predator movies canon?

The AvP series has had some cool stories and ideas. I particularly like the original comic and the story line from the AvP 2 video game. If Fox were to release a movie like that I would gladly accept it as canon. Most important: set it in the Alien time line. Predators work in any environment, but the Aliens only work in the future on distant locations, not on present day earth. The two movies we got thus far are shitting all over established Alien and Predator canon and should never be included even if the AvP franchise were to be resurrected.

Oh no. Please no....

Awful... Just awful. Please, God let there be no truth to this. This will ruin it for me.

I agree with everyone on here by not making them canon, if they want to have Predator tie in with the Alien movies and create an AVP universe then start with some subtle reference or references in The Predator and then go from there.

I think they could tease it in a ambiguous way.

So we cant rule it out, but at the same time we have no concrete evidence.

And then this way Fox could re-boot AVP Franchise but i think it would be done set in the same timeline as the Games and Comics and so in the years 2150+

But it could be done as a not to cannon Fork in a Road, so those who do not wish to see it as canon can ignore it as there be nothing to say its 100% has to be Canon.

I think its the same kind of step that Alien 5 was taking... Alien 3 and Alien R did happen they are not nightmares or nothing.

Fans simply can get to Aliens and then after this there is a Fork where they can choose to accept the Franchise goes to Alien 3 and Alien R as ONE alternative sequel or go with Alien 5 and what ever follows as the OTHER alternative sequel.

And so maybe they could do similar with how they handle and tie in any future AVP movie?

As you can be sure they will try it again in future.. and if its done right then it could work.

There's so much Alien content that one can decide for themselves what's canon, no need to be told by the likes of Fox. What do you want it to be? 

theres no reason why they cant exist in the same universe. they r both fox products afterall. they could have them both being known to weyland corp but the 2 species haven't interacted yet. I think the avp concept is is a good idea but the way they have been done on screen was awful. the books and comics portray them in a much more plausible way. I hated the fact the xeno was on earth because the predators brought them to hunt. id much rather see a predator hunter go on the hunt in the same timeline as alien/ aliens, coming across a human vessel in space that lands on a planet and while hunting the humans, it stumbles upon the xeno purely by accident. as this is the first encounter of the xeno, the predator has to use all his skills to avoid becoming the hunted. if done right, the cross over could work. its just the first movies were so bad it has left such a sour taste in peoples mouths 

@ali81        That's a pretty cool concept, I like that

me to. being a fox movie and the first one was awesome, it makes sense for someone to know about the predator so why not weyland? they just need to give it some thought where they script is involved. they could take us through the first encounter between the 2 species and a threat to the predator homeworld as an egg or something has been put on theyr vessel. as the predators don't know about this species they arnt aware of the threat theyr going to unleash on themselves on theyr planet. maybe all the xenos on the planet r wiped out and this egg is all that remains so the company want it at all costs so that brings all 3 species together perhaps?

This doesn't necessarily make AVP canon. In Predator 2 there's a xeno skull and I think the new Predator doesn't retcon Predator 2.

So it could be talking about that over AVP

@ali81        Cool stuff, it would definitely be cool to see an AVP movie take place at that time.

yea ur right, but I think theyl ignore the events of avp and requiem but acknowledge both species exist in the same universe. I liked predator 2 and at the time seeing the xeno skull was like 'wow' but the company have no knowledge of the 2 crossing paths. avp was done so poorly I hope they do something different if they bring the 2 together again.

It makes sense with what Fox has been doing with the literature. The most recent novels, a three part trilogy, encompassed Predators, Humans and Aliens in the Rage War. They weren't spectacular, like the original AvP novel, but weren't terrible and if Fox is trying to wrangle the story into a cohesive canon like some suggest with the more recent Ripley novels then these would fall into "new" canon territory. I'm only for it if they wipe Requiem from existence.

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I don't see any reason for predators to exist in alien universe.The xeno skull at the end of predator 2 was stated to be an easter egg by 2 guys who also worked on Aliens.

Prometheus retconed AVP because Ridley Scott hates AVP and doesn't want AVP to have anything to do with Alien.

I don't know...I guess I wouldn't mind it. I think it is possible to make a good AVP movie, so I would welcome the right combination of people behind the idea and production of one. I definitely don't want the two AVP movies we were given to be the accepted, official Fox canon. The world building franchise thing that Marvel popularized, doesn't sound like a good idea for the Alien universe. 

I think comics and video games make for the ideal AVP format. Stuff from there can be canon and that shouldn't upset the mass of Alien fans. 

But more importantly, I honestly think that the responses from MU/TH/UR are just easter eggs. Made more (or purely) for fun, rather than as Gospel for the canon. It is a fun topic though, so good on the marketing team either way! And good on Gavin for the post about it here!

just because the avp movies wernt good doesn't mean fox wont say weyland know of the existence of the predator

Really hoping they leave the avp concept on the shelf. Those movies really took both franchises down to cheap entertainment. Obviously there are those within both fanbases that get off on these kinds of "for the hell of it" thrills. But it really did weaken the lore of both when held up to what is being put together in the Prometheus movies

the comics are cool tho

I loved and still love the idea of combining them but I agree the way it was done cheapened both. if it was done properly, maybe even following a theme from a comic or novel would be good but id like to something in the future. im sure it can be done. happy though for them both to be separated and worked on individually for a while and bring back the fear factor and mystery about them before anyone thinks about mixing the 2 again. im sure fox will want another bash at the avp concept again at some stage

It seems very possible.I've covered the cinematic universe angle as well as whether AVP is Canon or not in multiple threads.It's already been established that predator is somehow involved in the Alien universe thanks to the fire and stone series.Not to mention there's also the Blade Runner possibility.Ultimately only time will tell.I also think it's up to Ridley Scott on whether that's the angle they want to pursue,Though it's Fox who owns these franchises.

I prefer AVP in comic book form rather than live action.

I prefer AVP on paper as well,but if the right writers and directors came together it could be good.Think like the mcu.They got a great pool of talent.

sadly, those of you who are hopeful for another avp project will probably get what you want. The only voice who might have a chance to persuade Fox to leave it alone for art's sake is Ridley Scott. He won't be around much longer to make those suggestions...

Hopefully if it does once again become a thing {shudder} it'd be nice to cut down on the hand to hand (or tail?) combat and pit the predator against a intelligent hive of strategic xenos.

...i can't believe I'm actually entertaining this...

but, if we get another avp movie, it should be an origin story. Just give us a plot detailing of the original encounter between a predator and a hive of xenos. Put us on an empty planet, no humans, no words, just a predator who is marooned on an island in space with no companion but the hive. I'd swallow my misgivings for a movie like that.

Won't say i'm hoping,more like if they did i'd roll with it and hope for the best.

@ninXeno426

yea I saw your comment. Seems you and I are leaning in same direction. I do have to admit though, I'm glad this post got me thinking about an origin story. I've been mulling it over for the last few hours and am finding the idea more and more appealing. Going to try my hand at a thread

No thanks. If Ridley Scott doesn't want AVP considered to be canon, then it shouldn't be.

Oh to hear the sorrowful woes amongst all the movie fans who have watched Alien when it first came out in the theaters. I was one of those lucky few to get to see this incredible film in a real theater.

Alien is a master piece and has been inducted in the movie hall of fame in the top 25 of all films. People have enjoyed this movie around the planet.

However, it is with great regret that I have come to learn this terrible news. Quite simply AVP is not the Alien movie in any more way except to say that they have borrowed heavily from what was originally created.

I too would like to stand with Ridley on this one. If the movie studio were to make the Alien and AVP movies cannon I would reject the notion completely.

It would be a mistake to clearly go against the will of so many devoted fans around the world.

AVP is good for different reasons; but, it is no Alien either. If the studio can make a film in the AVP world that were worthy of creating a bridge then so be it.

I think the right man for this job is Neal Blomkamp. He should be able to do this convincingly. Blomkamp as a producer and director could create a great movie that a lot of fans would really enjoy.

Quality is what made every movie in the Alien franchise possible. If there is to be a real future for AVP as a part of Alien universe the studio has to come up with a movie that makes all this possible.

if Fox does this, either way  they need to dive in to engineer vs xeno first.IMO

I would rather them not merge the two again, however if done well, with the right director and they completely avoided the idea of a Human needing to help a Predator defeat bug-like Aliens... then okay. I would almost prefer it be a Predator film, in which the Predator is infected by Black Goo Neomorph spores like in Alien: Covenant! Then the film is about how the Predators, like Engineers were nearly wiped out by the parasite and how they in turn, tried to control it and use it for their own gain. Could be an interesting angle, but the way they went about it before was just terrible. And for the love of God, don't set it on Earth!

I really don't agree with people's hatred of the first AVP movie. I'm very biased since it was the first Alien or Predator movie I could attend the premiere of, that's worth mentioning first. 

For those who dislike it: could you list some things you think the movie got wrong? I need some insight from your point of view. 

As a Predator movie, it had everything we could expect except grit and gore. But that's forgiveable, given that we know how the predators work, and don't need to see skinned corpses, ripped spines and open chest wounds in every movie (although I do enjoy that aspect of Predator movies).

From an Aliens fan perspective, it's not trying to be a horror movie. It's showing you the same creatures doing what they did in Aliens, only told through a movie of a different genre - the action blockbuster. The aliens can be hiveminded and downright dumb (unless organized by a clever queen) if we are to believe James Cameron's Aliens and most of the Aliens EU books. This queen was desperate and filled with rage from the first moment, which could explain why the hive acts less carefully and thought-out than the queen in Aliens. 

The plot is heavily derived from the great book AVP: Prey, by Steve and S. D. Perry. It features a genuinely strong female lead, as to be expected from an Alien movie, and visually it stays very true to the original, of which Paul W. S. Anderson is clearly a great fan. 

I thought it was ok but that's about it. I hated the fact it was on earth. I wouldv liked a bit of predators theme to it where the predators abduct humans to be infected in space/ another world and we get to see how they were abducted during a 'get to know each other' chat maybe?

"The aliens can be hiveminded and downright dumb (unless organized by a clever queen) if we are to believe James Cameron's Aliens and most of the Aliens EU books. This queen was desperate and filled with rage from the first moment, which could explain why the hive acts less carefully and thought-out than the queen in Aliens. "

How was the Queen in Aliens clever (she sat there waiting oblivious to the AP station going into meltdown) and the Aliens dumb (they found a way around the defences to ops and attacked from multiple fronts)?

"The plot is heavily derived from the great book AVP: Prey, by Steve and S. D. Perry. "

It was derived from the original comic (upon which Prey is also based) by Randy Stradley, Chris Warner and Phil Norwood.

I enjoyed AvP, super disappointed with AvP Requiem as it could have been any generic monster invades small town movie script. However, to make these movies canon is a BAD move. If they had taken the Dark Horse AvP comic and made it into a movie, I could see making that canon but Fox just needs to leave the avp series non-canon.

Then again, they also said Aliens: Colonial Marines was canon...

are we saying we don't want anymore avp crossovers and that the 2 species should stay separate?

No! No no NO!! I like the Predator movies... I LOVE the Alien movies... i detest AVP. I dont like the AVP games, the comic books, the novels - keep them seperate. To me, AvP is no better than those stupid 'Batman vs Aliens' and 'Aliens vs Superman' crap.. sure, AvP first movie is entertaining enough movie and watchable.. but it cannot compare to Alien, Aliens or Alien 3 (yes i said it! Alien 3 was good! Its the kind of James Cameron action- orientated fanboys who cause tripe like this to be made, instead of celebrating the alien franchise for what it is supposed to be; a sci-fi HORROR) Ridley Scott apparently understands this, and i firmly believe Alien Covenant will put the movies back on track. Lets just file Alien Resurrection, Avp and AvP:R under 'live action comic books' and concentrate on the real timeline; Prometheus, Alien Covenant, Alien, Alien: Isolation, Aliens and Alien 3 (and nope, dont want Blomkamp's Alien5 fanfiction-gone-too-far movie either.. Newt and Hicks are dead (get over it already) and Ripley's story had the perfect ending when she made the ultimate sacrifice.. i have no interest in retcons, or going the star trek motion picture route with pensioners waging war and playing happy family against the perfect orgamism. #endeth rant.

I don't think Fox is suggesting AVP is canon. Type in Bladerunner, Tyrell, Ridley Scott. Same response for all of those. AVP doesn't even fit in the timeline properly. Blade Runner on the other hand could.

S.M.:

How was the Queen in Aliens clever (she sat there waiting oblivious to the AP station going into meltdown) and the Aliens dumb (they found a way around the defences to ops and attacked from multiple fronts)?

The drones are not the ones making strategic decisions, if you are to believe what's been established in the books - the queen is telepathically controlling the hive. So even if she's stuck in her egg chamber/throne room, she's the brain behind their actions. :-) Not knowing about the meltdown, I don't know, but I'm guessing she doesn't have great technological insight. Of course, she should notice the station is blowing up and she should evacuate, but I think she got caught up in the rage Ripley triggered when wiping out her eggs. 

My bad, you're right about the comics being first. 

(for the record, yes, I also really dislike AVP:R; not gonna defend that one in any way) 

First off, it wouldnt be at all difficult to make a reasonable AVP movie given the right creative team and director putting their thought into it. Its obvious this wasnt done with the first two AVP outings at all as they were pretty much modern takes on 1950s B sci-fi movies that stole characters from beloved franchises.

When it comes to arguments that involve canon however its hard for me to justify the alien movies as their own franchise being in canon with themselves in light of Alien 79 and Prometheus pretty much subtly if not outrightly rejecting everything that was established in Aliens, the sequel and by doing so completely wiping out all that happened in Alien 3 and resurrection. Im not sure, but it seems to me that Ridley Scott is just as quick to dismiss the actual Alien sequels as he is the AVP franchise itself. Even if I completely ignore the bombs dropped in prometheus and what is to come in covenant, even in light of new information in the 79 Alien directors cut I cant say I dont agree with him. How can we really believe Cameron's vision of the franchise as basically a hive witg a queen centered starship troopers clone, when its obvious from the original film that we are dealing with a bio weapon that has disturbingly close ties to human DNA? Who needs a queen when its obvious that humans were designed to share in that life cycle? Not to mention that in the sequels it never explains why the company has to try so hard to secure a specimen when they obviously know about LV 426 derilict. The sequels make little sense but I chalk it all up to film studios knowing very little about universe building until recent years

Please no, it is bad enough that there is Alien Resurrection so don’t mess it up by making AVP cannon. Prometheus didn’t really help the Alien story. Why shall Fox mess things up like this (at least this article suggests that they are thinking about doing that)?

I have searched for articles about this at Google but I couldn’t find any good information about the topic. If there is someone here that can find any information from a reliable source then let me know about it.

As far as re-booting the AVP-franchise I am not sure if they need to do that. I am more interested in seeing something new. There are already too many re-makes, re-boots, and series. Star Wars will have nine or twelve movies when they are done + Rogue one which makes it at least 13. Alien will have 7 movies at least when the prequels are done, we have 5 Spider-man movies, nine X-men movies (I have searched the www). We have at least five Resident Evil movies, and remember the Fast and Furious movies where they have released seven movies this far. My point is that they should avoid doing more AvP-movies because they weren’t very good and most franchises tend to get repetitive so they should try something new. There are many themes that can be explored in many ways but they need to have interesting characters.

One complaint that I have from watching AvP is that they made the Predator like an ally of the humans but weren’t the Predators meant to be enemies? The only way to not make it into a disaster would be if humanity is at war with both the Aliens and the Predators and that both are very deadly but I still don’t think that it would be very interesting.

My point is that they should consider something new instead of re-doing something that we have already seen a lot of times.  Please let it stay dead

Aliens vs Predator vs Colonial Marines would be, in terms of film media, "new".

@S.M,

Sweet and simple great idea! I am seeing those story boards go up right now for that much interstellar combat. 

I know that almost any thing can be done with movie making these days. I almost think the studios should get together and rethink this with an original script, cast, right location, right directors, right special effects team, best editors/cutters, finally the producers, executive producers, Scott, Cameron, Blowlamp, Abrams, maybe Weaver, and why not THE INTERNET, let people put up their money and buy a movie ticket around the world before the movie gets produced.

I am willing to bet this revenue model could really help big budget films. The studio gets to borrow against escrow on those funds. If no movie gets made no money. Only thing is what happens when a half billion starts coming in. 200 million may want to see that in China. Maybe a lower ticket price is then reasonable. Ah big budget quality films. Movies that people around the world want to see. 

We vote in so many other ways when we purchase other products and services and so why not this as well.

Covenant looks like it will be rock HARD CANT WAIT!

"There are already too many re-makes, re-boots, and series. Star Wars will have nine or twelve movies when they are done + Rogue one which makes it at least 13."

Indeed Thoughts_Dreams thats a concern, but Ridley Scott did basically say about how Star Wars Franchise is making money and more movies and that to me seems like Fox will Milk it and when they done another 3 Predators and 3-4 Aliens (inc Prequels) if they feel another AVP will make money.. in particular now we have Engineers too... i would not be surprised to see it done.

But as SM said and as i had said, we have not seen on film a AVP as in including Colonial Marines and so basically following same timeline of the AVP Comics and Games.... this i think was the RIGHT way to do it.

But after Two pretty failed attempts (not at box office) but critically, would they attempt one more Go?

I would not be surprised if future movies both Alien and Predator will include Easter Eggs to each other but done very vague, and then see the Internet Crowd pick upon them and debate them and then they can Gauge the reactions... and then have a feel if doing a AVP Retcon/Reboot would work.

Oh Thoughts_Dreams

Fox has not teased or mentioned nothing about a AVP movie, there is nothing official at all.

The Alien Covenant, well new Alien Viral Campaign has started with that MUTHUR Application and some responses to Blade Runner and Predator related queries do throw up some vague information and/or restricted access and the such.

Purely as a Easter Egg really and a tease, and one they can Gauge our Reactions and no doubt if the majority seem positive with the potential such Easter Eggs could mean the other Franchises could be connected.

Then it would make Fox think about maybe teasing a bit more Easter Eggs and if they get positive reactions then who knows.. maybe they can cross them-over

But if they eventually do remake a AVP which i bet at some point they would, then i hope they do it in a way that it can be considered a Alternative Parallel Universe

So those who dont wish to take it as Canon, dont have to.

Much like how JJ Abrahams Star Treks are to the Original and TNG based universe ones.

They could easily set an AvP film in the existing Alien timeline. There's no need for alternates.

That said, I can't imagine they'll be touching AvP for as long as Ridley is involved.

Um... they always were? All of the movies take place in the same timeline? There's not a single contradiction between any of them? Who wrote this post? What, are they stupid for a living? What's next, is Aliens no longer canon?

This is why I hate "alien fans." Being a fan means you LIKE something, NOT hate all of it. If you hate all the movies... then, you know, go away. I'm so sick of this garbage. This is a damn news site, take your shitty editorials where you piss and moan because they didn't make exactly the same movie 8 times in a row and take it somewhere else. This doesn't belong here, this is a place for alien fans to read news.

This is a discussion forum - not just news.

The origin of Weyland Corp is contradictory when you compare AvP and Prometheus.

This is ridiculous. The "AVP" and "AVPR" films were declared canonical the very moment they were released unto the big screen. Fox made these films part of the "Alien" and "Predator" canons 13 years ago, and it's only a matter of time before a third installment is materialized. The first two films merely bridged a gap in the Alien/Predator-timeline and laid a foundation for what would be destined to come.

///Yet accompanying the release of 2012's Prometheus, Sir Ridley Scott's long-awaited return to the Alien franchise, the promotional website Weyland Industries retconned the AvP movies from the canon by having Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce, pictured below) as the founder of Weyland Corp, as opposed to having AVP's Charles Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen) as the founder of Weyland Industries.///

This is blatant nonsense! There is literally NOTHING with that promotional website that would supposedly contradict or "ret-con" the "AVP"-timeline. Rather, it fits perfectly. Charles Bishop Weyland was the actual founder of Weyland Industries (from "AVP"), and by the time he met his unfortunate demise at the hands of a Predator in Antarctica, Peter Weyland (his son) was fourteen years old. Now, eight years after Weyland Industries being orphaned after having suffered the loss of their founder and CEO in 2004, Peter rejuvenated the company as Weyland Corporation in 2012 (note also how the promotional website even says "Weyland Industries").

It is also interesting to note how Charles Weyland and Peter Weyland both died in similar manners (at an older age to alien creatures in remote ancient structures). After all, after Charles' death, it would only make sense that another Weyland would take over in time, seeing how persistent that family is. Either way, to think that this somehow "removed" the AVP-films from the canonical timeline or that it would be somehow "contradictory" is absolute nonsense. There's a beautiful flow in the timeline between the films.

It should not surprise anyone (unless you actually bought the lie that AVP is no longer canonical) that Fox still treats AVP as officially canonical in various ways. Even if Fox never even hinted at AVP actually being canonical, it wouldn't do a thing to the fact that the AVP-films remains as canonical chapters in a larger cinematic universe. Really, the only thing that could be used to argue against the idea of AVP being canonical is merely personal preference. You are entitled to your own opinion of the actual quality of these films, definitely, but to attempt to enforce this opinion and personal decision upon others and speak of AVP as "non-canonical" would be wrong and deceptive.

Also, no reboot/remake of "AVP" is necessary, you just need to take the third film in a different direction that may be even more pleasing to the crowds. It's not even difficult to come up with various and better scenarios for another sequel, it just takes time, patience, respect and creativity (and maybe even a little bit of passion). Heck, if I had the means to produce an actual sequel I would (I even already got a script treatment produced that would take into account every single current installment in the Alien-, Predator- and AVP-films; I would have made the canonical status of AVP abundantly clear and thus silence people's rants about it).

Bottom line, Aliens and Predators ALREADY exists in the same fictional universe. It's done. The "debate" was pointless from the start.

AVP movies can fits very nice in alien universe !!!   Only if they want it !!!    And AVP can explain/fits so much holes in alien universe !!!

Predators exterminate snakes/xenomorphs one century ago. AVP movies (2004 -)!!!

Engineers create virus/bio weapon - black goo of them (who knows when)...  David revive xenos through black goo ( Alien Covenant (2104)!!!