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2 thoughts from Ridley Scott

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OzX

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I have the 2 different anniversary DVDs where Ridley Scott did 2 lots of commentary. From these, have 2 thoughts about the Aliean prequel that he wanted to do: 1) RS was inspired by 2001. The studio info for Prometheus implies that Mankind has found something about our Origins and sets out to explore the lead somewhere in space. This is the classic 2001 scenario. The plot's theme then will be a vision of who we are as a species and the higher intelligence that "created" us... the SJ or the "Alien"? Likewise HAL in 2001 has it's counterpart in the robots/androids in Alien. Believe there will be strong comparisons (similarlities or contrasts) between 2001 and Prometheus. (Note: in some of these discussion posts, some people are critical of 2001... all I can say is that I LOVE both movies and that Ridley Scott himself is a great fan. Think he will want to do "his" version of what happens when we meet our maker... from the studio blurb, it will not be pleasant). 2) In Alien, RS wanted the Alien creature to have a sensory (sexual?) attraction to the women. He did not get to show this is the final filming or edit. He says he wanted the Alien to be fascintaed by Ripley's naked skin - that was the original idea behind her undressing in the shuttle scene. The other unstated evidence was Lambert: she was fully clothed when attacked by the Alien, but her naked leg is shown when Ripley discovers her body (Parker and the other men were clothed). When they made Alien they (Dan O'Bannon, all the producers and RS) did not want to do a cliche shock/horror movie a la Roger Corman... However it can be a cheap cliche in a horror movie to have the attractive woman being "sexually" attacked... although that is also a classic device... think the shower scene in Psycho where the murdered woman was naked. All we know is that the lead in Alien is a sexually attractive woman (to RS, which is one reason he cast Sigourney he says) and in Prometheus we have 2 attractive women, one who is famous for sexually violent movie. Believe in this movie version, SR will explore this aspect much further than he was allowed/able to do in the original Alien. (Perhaps that's why he wanted a X classification for Prometheus?) Just some thoughts to add to the mix :) So looking forward to the release.
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Frantz
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no artyh i think that what a limited crowd of so called geeks think dont make something real or agreeable ... maybe are the same who see some torture porn movies or some centipiede crap but that dont mean that this reflect the majority of people . As i said ive saw alien with dozen of people and NOONE saw any kind of sexual reference .. all that came around 20 years after the movie when probaly noone had anything else to say ..in all the quadrilogy 20th years edition DVDs there is NO ONE reference to this ...so it remain a subjective matter .... Invaderzim42 maybe you are familiar with the sound of someone raped to death ..then im sorry for you . be serious please .
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not only does he hear it but Ridley Scott himself says it is there on the cmmentary of the DVD and acknowledges it in these words..."Clearly something sexual is going on there".
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Frantz
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you must have the only commentary in the world that say that !!! made just for you lol
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Gavin
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A phallic shaped chestburster, the aliens phallic shaped head, the vaginal underside of the facehugger, the facehuggers scrotum air sacs, the eggs dual vaginal opening... all intentional and a staple of Gigers work.

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Frantz, don't take this the wrong way but if you are going to get upset any time something controversial comes up maybe this site is just not for you. I mean if we are all a bunch of childish sexual deviants then why do you waste your time with us? Can't you find another forum where your views are better represented?
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I know this discussion has ended some days ago, but I've just joined the page today and this is the first I have read. So, first of all, hello to everybody. I agree with Spartacus. I'm from Spain, and I have the Spanish Quadrilogy version on DVD, and in THAT scene, in commentaries (and also in Veronica Cartwright's interview, I think) it is said about that sexual reference. Why? Because is terrifying. The Alien is not just a brutal beast that kills people (as it appears in lately movies... ¡sigh!). The Alien is scaring because it's weird, it attacks people from within when it's born. Because of its duality, and I think that Lambert's Death is the most shocking because it's different to all of the rest, and because you can imagine that kind of 'pervert death'. Why this scares to me? Because it gives the Alien some kind of human behaviour that creeps me. But of course, this is my point of view. Sorry about my english, but I haven't practised it since a long time ago. Bye
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you analysis is almost entirely wrong, op. the reason lambert was naked is to have the situation allude to a rape. lots of sexuality and innuendos are used not because of "cheap sexual thrills", but because of a deeper subtext.
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one more thing, this is to Frantz: I don't know what edition on DVD you have, but in all interviews with Scott, Giger, Cast, the cast, etc... you can see the sexual references in the world of "Alien" and opposite them, the industrial lines of the world of "Nostromo", if you let me say that way...
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ooops... twice "cast" and wrong with dates... Definitely poor for my two first posts... :)
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I'm sorry. I wasn't intended to be rude. If I have been so, I beg your pardon. I was only trying to say that I agree with the opinion about Lambert's Death / rape action from the Alien, and that her death scares me a lot because it has, in my opinion, some strange and different aspects that scares me out, because it removes 'things'. And I think that it was the intention when it was filmed. I've been a great fan of the Alien franchise (basically Alien and Aliens) since I was a child and got shocked when I first saw it. Again, if I have been rude or my english level hasn't allow to me explain my point of view, I'm sorry.
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Frantz, between your bastardization of the English language and your blatant denial of facts, you have elevated yourself to the biggest idiot of the board. I am sorry for being so blunt. I usually try to avoid conflict and even more so try to avoid reading it, but this has gone on long enough. Spart is spot on with the DVD commentaries. Even the whole idea of Kane getting impregnated was meant as rape. In fact, the whole idea was to make men feel uncomfortable so it wasn't the normal idea of a woman getting raped. The scriptwriters did not want the male audience getting off Scott free (puns intended, both of them). You continually deny facts that have been laid out in great detail in books, interview, commentaries and images. Please do us all a favor and only post if you have something real to add or something to make us laugh (in which most cases , describes your posts). This whole theory mangling is ridiculous and you just need to back off of it before you make yourself look even more foolish. Sorry guys and admins, I just can't stand by and watch the Jersey Shore without commenting, just as I cannot read this idiotic drivel without commenting.
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Biomechanic
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Harsh but I have to agree.
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Frantz
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wow im scared LOLZ ...really it seems that some kids are angry now ..angry birds !! who cares , il will continue to say my opnion !!! and accept discussion
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If you take all the commentary on the DVDs the references about sex are very few and with a question mark . Of course someone , that maybe is grown in an age of "different movies" arent able to understand a different cinema ..thats fine .
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Unless we are watching "Species"...then thats all about sex and aliens....
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Gavin
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also giger

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The High Priest
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Spartacus - Man you are a sex maniac!!! But hey, thats a good thing, you want to get your "sex" point across, thats cool - the bottom line is you are correct!! Frantz dude - go check out the RS commentries on all the dvd releases of the film, he never stops barking on (like Spartacus) about the sexual overtones within his film and Gigers art. End of...
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OzX
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thanks everyone for your extra info to my post. Thanks Spartacus - yes, a major source was the Cartwright/Scott commentary and others. And again, this interpretation helps explain why Ripley stripped off at the end - but this theme was dropped by the studio as RS ran out of money and there were disagreements over the ending (e.g. RS wanted the Alien to win). My main point to this post was I expect this sexual theme to be a part of Prometheus - RS will get to do the interpretation he wanted to make originally.
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With Giger and Scott being the principles involved here, i would not expect anything else.

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