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2 thoughts from Ridley Scott

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OzX

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I have the 2 different anniversary DVDs where Ridley Scott did 2 lots of commentary. From these, have 2 thoughts about the Aliean prequel that he wanted to do: 1) RS was inspired by 2001. The studio info for Prometheus implies that Mankind has found something about our Origins and sets out to explore the lead somewhere in space. This is the classic 2001 scenario. The plot's theme then will be a vision of who we are as a species and the higher intelligence that "created" us... the SJ or the "Alien"? Likewise HAL in 2001 has it's counterpart in the robots/androids in Alien. Believe there will be strong comparisons (similarlities or contrasts) between 2001 and Prometheus. (Note: in some of these discussion posts, some people are critical of 2001... all I can say is that I LOVE both movies and that Ridley Scott himself is a great fan. Think he will want to do "his" version of what happens when we meet our maker... from the studio blurb, it will not be pleasant). 2) In Alien, RS wanted the Alien creature to have a sensory (sexual?) attraction to the women. He did not get to show this is the final filming or edit. He says he wanted the Alien to be fascintaed by Ripley's naked skin - that was the original idea behind her undressing in the shuttle scene. The other unstated evidence was Lambert: she was fully clothed when attacked by the Alien, but her naked leg is shown when Ripley discovers her body (Parker and the other men were clothed). When they made Alien they (Dan O'Bannon, all the producers and RS) did not want to do a cliche shock/horror movie a la Roger Corman... However it can be a cheap cliche in a horror movie to have the attractive woman being "sexually" attacked... although that is also a classic device... think the shower scene in Psycho where the murdered woman was naked. All we know is that the lead in Alien is a sexually attractive woman (to RS, which is one reason he cast Sigourney he says) and in Prometheus we have 2 attractive women, one who is famous for sexually violent movie. Believe in this movie version, SR will explore this aspect much further than he was allowed/able to do in the original Alien. (Perhaps that's why he wanted a X classification for Prometheus?) Just some thoughts to add to the mix :) So looking forward to the release.
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Got the definitive Alien Vault book from Amazon yesterday. For the disbelievers about the sexual themes in the film - Reading this book will change your opinion! On that note also -When Ridley Scott was asked what he thought of the EGG, he described about hideous it was and harsh on the eye. The production crew said - RIDLEY YOU HAVE AN ALIEN THAT LOOKS LIKE A PENIS AND OPENINGS TO THE DERELICT SHIP THAT LOOK LIKE VAGINAS! Now end of discussion me thinks lol.
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That Banter you just quoted is also included on the Quadrilogy DVD Box Set.
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I want the book you got and just received a Gift Card for Chapters...what's it called..."the definitive Alien Vault book"? Tx in advance for any info.
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I also own the "Alien Vault" . Very cool fan scrapbook type thing
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drogie21
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Yeah apologies about the wrong use of English. When am reading all these discussions my brain is like hold, Scott said this and they said that ha. Yeah that's the right book. Its really great book. Has loads of small details in it. Designs and info. Like in the Directors Cut of Alien i did not know that Brett and Dallas where to turn into EGGS!!!! Unlike the host thing in Aliens. But get the book, for Alien fans its a must. Sorry for delay its hard writing this stuff on smartphone compared to laptop.
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well if all that sex references are a joke for the production crew ""The production crew said - RIDLEY YOU HAVE AN ALIEN THAT LOOKS LIKE A PENIS AND OPENINGS TO THE DERELICT SHIP THAT LOOK LIKE VAGINAS!"" then i think i was quite right ... ;)
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Ha ha okay i suppose in that context you could look at it that way. Was just adding to this sexual referencing discussion! ;)
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yes :) is ok ... you know is a long war between me and all the others :p ( joking :) )
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And of course there is the rape killing of Ripley by Ash... SR suggested to Ian Holm on the morning of filming the scene where Ash attacks Ripley to turn it into a sexual attack. After Ian was keen to accept a sexual side to robots, they discussed the how. The girly magazine in her mouth was the outcome they came up with. Wonder why SR needed to add that element to the attack? And then there is SR on the commentary tracks saying how he mused that the astronauts probably all had sex with each other (including gay/les) on the long flights. Of course he filmed only Ripley/Dallas but later cut out that scene and removed any other inference between the crew. SR has comparatively little sexual content in his films, but it was a deep element in Alien.
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This may have been pointed in an earlier post out as well but the facehugger is clearly a form of interspecies rape. Evidenced by the phallic tube that is forcibly thrust into Kane's mouth and the eventual birth of "Kane's son." This is probably why the movie is so disturbing on a deeper level.

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