SJ Face, Face Huggers and Humans...

Okay sparky... 1. Ampules programmed into eggs? Wheres your source, your proof. Inside the Derelict we have only ever seen eggs, not ampules. Stick to the facts. 2. Expand your scope. It is likely that this is not the first time the Derelict has been used to transport its cargo... Think of it this way - Derelict visits Planet A and drops half its cargo of eggs, then visits Planet B and drops off the other half. It then returns to Planet A, after the Xenomorph has used up all suitable hosts, and subsequently died. All that would remain would be thousands of eggs, which it would then pick up for use on another planet... No queen necessary, just an unfortunate planet. 3. The eggs are arranged orderly, as they are only found in the "troughs" of the egg chamber. If a Queen had laid them the eggs would have covered every available space. 4. The "Laser-Mist" is a (failed) security measure intended to alert the Pilot. Yes there are aliens in or inferred in Prometheus, but not Aliens as in in Xenomorphs. Prometheus is a Space Jockey film, not a Xenomorph film, is probably a clearer way of putting it.

good point Frantz, and you guys got me to think that maybe the eggs can be manufactured both mechanically or artificially as well as organically !!!! Maybe Both are possible but I think it;ls a pretty good bet this film will have some serious ass Aliens in it, maybe not the Xeno's/facehuggers/ etc etc but things even worse!!! The Liquid itself seems like an Alien entity to me !!! And it sure behaves like one !!!

Just FYI The Laser mist did not fail, it succeeded. If that had been Earth, mankind would have been exterminated. If the atmospheric processors on LV-426 had not exploded, the Xeno's would have eaten everything alive anyways. The planet was doomed once the derelict first got there! There 100% had to be Aliens on board the Derelict. The Liquid goo is what is contained inside the ampules. We know for a fact that this goo is programmable and contains the genetic codeing for thousands of life forms through out the galaxy. The Ampules did their thing while the Derelict was en route to Earth {and only one of them had to be programmed to become a queen}...to destroy... it as payback for some one on the Prometheus crew stealing some of the Ampules from the Engineers. The Warriors More than likely constructed the protective coating surrounding the eggs. The Mist was not for alerting the Jockey, it was to protect the Eggs, and this is exactly what it did !!! In fact as I mentioned, if that had been earth, mankind would have been erradicated !!!

and the ONLY other explanation is this, something we did not think of to begin and NO One has even mentioned yet. The ONLY other possibility, is that LV-426 turns out to be the home world of the Xenomorph !!! Which is so wacked out as an idea I wouldn't know where to begin on that !!!

Sparky, look at my answer to your answer for 2.

This is most probably why there are thousands of eggs on board the Derelict... "Expand your scope. It is likely that this is not the first time the Derelict has been used to transport its cargo... Think of it this way - Derelict visits Planet A and drops half its cargo of eggs, then visits Planet B and drops off the other half. It then returns to Planet A, after the Xenomorph has used up all suitable hosts, and subsequently died. All that would remain would be thousands of eggs, which it would then pick up for use on another planet... No queen necessary, just an unfortunate planet."

On close examination, the object which David pulls out of the urn looks more like four separate.....uh....., tadpoles(?) or embryos, than just a big, amorphous glob of goo. You can even see a hint of solid structure within them, like ribs or digits.

I was reading thru the old script from Alien and there were Ampules in the Derelict along with the eggs. Dallas found one that was opened from the top. Also, the original idea was that the humans can be turned into eggs. It sounds like there was never meant to be a Queen in the lifecycle. However, as mentioned above we are stuck with it and so is Ridley. This film can just proove that there are two ways they can reproduce. Also, it does seem plausible that the Xenomorphs can be made and/or breed. Just like we can clone an animal over and over on a farm. Then if one gets loose it can go mate on it's own. Ridley can use both concepts. If a warrior hatches with no queen then he can cacoon people and use them to make eggs. Perhaps the mutant in the trailer is in the process of turning into a human egg. I'm still going out on a limb and stating that I think the SJ's used the xeno's for more than just a way to wipe out a planet's population. The fact that the SJ suit and craft look like the aliens body cannot be coincedence. Also, if the Engineers manufactor planets and spread life then it does seem odd that they would use Xeno's as a weapon for mass extinction especially since they can turn on them as well.

I never knew until i read the book Alien Vault that Dallas and Brett were TURNING INTO EGGS when they were cocooned by the Alien! Like compared to Aliens using the humans as hosts! But obviously i doubt Aliens will be taking into consideration for Prometheus which is only right!

I didn't read every single post in the thread, so forgive me if this has been addressed, but I wanted to respond to the idea that there can be two methods of producing a xenomorph. To me, the idea presented in the deleted scene of Alien - where Dallas and the others are being mutated into eggs - is a kind of dead-end street for the survival of a lifeform. This implies that, in order to reproduce, a creature must find prey - and make the distinction between using it for sustenance, or reproduction. There actually has been no indication in any other films that the aliens actually [i]eat.[/i] We do know, however, that these creatures - either by design or evolution - are highly adaptable, and can adopt and assimilate genetic information. It's entirely possible to assume that over a meager number or generations - or perhaps spontaneous mutation - that the xenomorphs, out of necessity (because of the lack of hosts) developed a caste system, thus producing a queen. Perhaps a pheremonic reaction to the lack of hosts to produce a large, self-sustaining population. That being said, we can make room for both Scott's and Cameron's reproductive cycles; it may be that the DNA of the aliens are so volatile and chimeran that they genetically adapt to ensure survival. Sort of like how the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park - who were all bred to be female - were able to 'gender bend'.

@ Manndroid... That "gender bend" you mention from JP was because they used amphibian DNA to fill in the gaps, and many species of amphibians have been known to change sex in a single sex environment. You also mentioned that the two reproduction ideas from Alien and Aliens (respectively) may have been adopted by the Xenomorph to ensure their survival when there is a lack of hosts. Neither of these two ideas actual cater for that, as both result in the production of an egg incubating a Facehugger, and Facehuggers require hosts.

@Snorkelbottom I understand the scientific rationale behind the 'gender bend' in Jurassic Park - it's explained in the film. I wasn't intending it as a 1:1 comparison, but a plot device to bridge the two ideas. As for the other parts of the theory - though both wouldn't be possible without hosts, there is still a clear parallel between the plot device in JP that I mentioned. Since we've been lead to believe that the Aliens were created, the ability to coccoon its prey may have been its intended form of reproduction - essentially, a precision warfare weapon - in the end, you'll end up with a small, controlled populace of the count of your enemy, +1. It's area denial, but it also ensures that - when used in small number - the resulting infestation is manageable. Now, introduce the 'ol "reach outpacing one's grasp" mechanic, and you could say that the Aliens evolved from their programmed intention - developing the ability to produce a queen, rapidly increasing its ability to subvert a population. You still have the problem of the host > egg ratio, granted, but it's a sign that the creatures are evolving in a way to try to break their intended boundaries. When their handlers return, they'll be dealing with a situation that could possibly turn around on them - they'll be looking for adults, and not hundreds, or thousands, of eggs, which have the potential of infesting [i]them.[/i] It's not the perfect method, yes, but it provides some room for the possibility of both cycles being valid. Especially if the creature were bioengineered, it'd only make sense that its own evolution would ricochet off in odd, possibly unsuccessful tangents until it finds a method that ensures its survival without the need for host organisms. Perhaps if the nest got large enough, it could use its own kind for hosts? Who knows.

Now that you clarified things I like what you propose... Original propagation = Small scale infestation - 1 alien from two victims (1 host and 1 egg). Alien develops the Queen, to produce the eggs instead... New propagation = doubled scale infestation - 1 alien from 1 victim (1 host)

Exactly. It's kind of like how, in the real world, we introduced a strain of asian Lady Bugs to control the pest population on our crops in North America. Now, [i]they're[/i] the pests, wreaking havoc on an ecological system unprepared for them. Except in this case, the Aliens are poised to wreak havoc on a galaxy unprepared for them.

Same thing here in the UK with squirrels.

Right. Squirrels are poised to wreak havoc on a galaxy unprepared for them.

Are they, oh shit, better barricade my house then. the ladybug thing = the squirrel thing = the killer bee thing.