Hard for humans to accept.....

I more than welcome the idea that we are not alone in the universe but the idea that we had help outside of Earth is doubtful in my mind when there is stacking evidence behind our evolution and our technological leaps that show we are more than capable of being where we are today without such help from non Earthly beings. What disturbs me the most about you Spartacus is that you mention it being mathematically impossible for us to be here today if not for the help of ancient aliens and yet instead of showing the math you go on about archeology, and how the structures the ancients built had other worldly materials not positively identified to have come from Earth. That is not evidence and hieroglyphs are no better. I'm more than willing to change my perspective on things if there is stacking evidence behind it but right now you're not convincing me.

"What disturbs me the most about you Spartacus" I would have replied here if your reply had been written this way... "What disturbs me the most about [b]what[/b] you [b]wrote[/b] Spartacus 2 words can make a huge difference in someone's perceived intentions Instead, and given the wording you used and especially given what has already been said by me in this thread have no other alternative but to assume you have absolutely NO CLUE what so ever what you are talking about let alone doing and cannot rely to it any further, refuse to discuss it any further, and it;s a shame cause you wanted Math and there is so much Math it would make your g-d damned head spin!!!

The "ancient astronaut theories" are all completely bereft of direct, empirical supporting evidence, and rife with unsubstantiated supposition and subjective interpretation. Without the support of direct, empirical evidence, this hypothesis is conveniently untestable. Therefore, the Scientific establishment scoffs at the notion for good reason. Occam's razor applies.

Instead of insulting me Spartacus why don't you enlighten me, you say I have no clue but you don't show me why. I would rather have my head spin than to be left in the dark not knowing. Prove me wrong and I will happily support the claims, if not then stop pushing your beliefs onto others through posts.

[quote]The "ancient astronaut theories" are all completely bereft of direct, empirical supporting evidence, and rife with unsubstantiated supposition and subjective interpretation. Without the support of direct, empirical evidence, this hypothesis is conveniently untestable. Therefore, the Scientific establishment scoffs at the notion for good reason. Occam's razor applies.[/quote] That is funny. The same is definitely the case with Religion

Of course it is, Miser. They don't call it "a leap of faith" for nothing.

The burden of proof is always on the believer. If you can't back up your claims of beliefs, don't be surprised/frustrated when someone calls you out on them.

Here is one (with a narrative style, very nice): Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiic6BoleQ&feature=related Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv5L5yyPynM&feature=related Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uBC0iKB61s&feature=related Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a4VeaEvRM8&feature=related Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTj7AUBz_E&feature=related Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL-xehm-eLg&feature=fvwrel Just take into account that: 1.) The pyramids were not made in a day (figure of speech of course) 2.) It took the Egyptians many tries before they were able to get to the scale of Giza pyramids. The roots of the pyramids can even be traced back to ziggurats as I understand, which are way older. These non-fantastic theories seem way more plausible to me. I'll find some more later.

Spartacus??? Start hitting people with some hard facts??? The only fact your prooving is that your head is buried really deep up your own arse!

Hey Spartacus, I am not mad at you or anything. Sometimes the tone of written conversation is easily misinterpreted. I am not trying to annoy you either. You seem like a pretty smart person as you try to reason things out. Don't look at this as a conflict, just a way to sort out what is true or useful and what is most probably not. An argument never hurt anybody, it will only make you smarter if anything at all. Also keep in mind that arriving at the truth is not an easy thing to do, but you can at least sort some things out of the way that are nonsense or not useful. Peace Brother :)