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Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph12/31/2011Lets see if we can put this one to bed...
By comparing photos of the Space Jockey/Engineer’s ship(s) from the original ALIEN film and PROMETHEUS…I think that they are two different craft.
For one, if I use a horseshoe as a common reference for the shape of the vessel(s), the hull protrusions, and ends of the horseshoe look different to me. Maybe it’s just the lighting and camera angles…I don’t know…but they just look different.
The frame and skin of ship from ALIEN appears to be a bit more rounded, swollen, and inflated…like a dirigible or zeppelin. It almost looks like a pontoon something or other.
[IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/ALIENDERELICTVESSEL1.jpg[/IMG]
The craft shown in the PROMETHEUS trailer appears to be slightly more hard-lined and less biomechanical, as do the interiors as well. Of course, it may be intended to be the same vessel…with less than perfectly authentic model reproduction by the special effects team…but I doubt it. I think Ridley’s eye is very discerning and scrutinizing. I think the difference in looks is intentional, as the two are meant to be two completely different ships.
[IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/prometheus4engineervessel.jpg[/IMG]
What do you guys think?
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012My whole point, what I am saying is that we cannot let all these little details take control of us like this, they are insignificant, we are going to see whatever Ridley wants us to.
You conveniently left out the fact that the Platforms just plain do not match, and I still insist it is the exact same platform.
It is NOT UP TO US to decide how things should or need to be.
Should I absolutely HATE the film Aliens now because what happens underneath the Heat Exchangers makes ZERO sense and the entire complex should have exploded at the very moment Gorman did NOT tell Apone & The Marines WHY they had to shoulder their weapons?
How many of Hick's Shotgun shells would have ruptured the tanks?
How many of Hudson's Pulse rifle rounds would have blown up the entire facility...?...well...logic says...every single one of them...the whole scene makes zero sense now !!!
What I am saying is almost exactly what you just said, unless anyone is 100% positive AND got it first hand from Ridley himself, it's a better than a great bet that it's all B.S.
Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/1/2012Exactly...
But regards the Aliens thing there's something called "suspension of disbelief", all that weapons fire should have caused the plant to go BOOM then an there, what Cameron asks as of us the audience is to suspend our disbelief that all that weapons fire did was slightly damage the reactors. After all are you not watching a film with people wearing rubber suits expecting you to believe they are acid for blood killing machines, suspension of disbelief.
Frantz
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012plus i dont think someone know ( here and there ) how was the protection of the nuclear plant/tanks ...maybe was enough to sustain HE rounds ...and its more reasonable ... no one gone mad could destroy all the station with a few rounds .
PS you could ruin yourself every movie watching details ... but i dont think we have to deal with movies in that way otherwise we fall into geekism aka "missing the whole thing in favour of some details"
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012Yup
My point exactly!
I agree completely with you!
I have always embraced that concept, the one of suspension of disbelief, and a real good example of it in the Theater is Tarantino's films...to enjoy them, you have to suspend your disbelief completely or else you more than likely will not enjoy them.
But the trade off for doing it is a Great Catharsis.
Had I not been able to do this during "Inglorious Bastards" I never would have felt as good as I did, seeing Adolph Hitler & Paul Joseph Goebbels getting mowed down by Machine Guns in a Movie Theater within a movie theater!!!
artyoh
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012I'm gonna be vewy vewy bwave, go waaay out on a wimb here, and say.........it's a diffewent ship. Frankly, if it[i] is[/i] the same ship, the bow will be a bit too neatly tied for me. I'd actually prefer for the [i]exact[/i] origins and purpose of the derelict to remain mysterious.
Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/1/2012They probably will if its the same ship, all we'll see is it crashing. Thats not really destroying the mystery.
hermenauta
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012pjr,
The facts are:
a) we see the alien ship exploding in the air.
b) in Alien, we saw that the ship was damaged by the xenomorph blood.
c) in the director´s cut of Aliens, at least, the explorer family enters the alien ship by what seems to be a breach in the hull.
IMHO, the derelict is not an all-powerfull piece of hardware. It must be vulnerable to many things, including weathering, volcanism, and other geological process that could change the place so thoroughly as we can see comparing the hipotetical derelict site in Alien and Prometheus...
hermenauta
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012Some thoughts concerning the urns vs eggs problem:
I think that the urns were the very first containers of the very first facehuggers. Once those facehuggers started the process of hatching xenomorphs in other species bodies, the Queens developed, rendering the urns obsolet because they could lay eggs.
In other words: the urns were created by the Engineers as the first generation of, well, of anything the Engineers wanted the xenomorphs to be, for example, weapons.
Cervantes
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012Neurion, I hadn't noticed this particular topic you posted, and ended up posting something along the same lines today!
Like you, I'm hoping the differences are an indicator of more than one 'Derelict'-style craft, rather than supposedly being representative of the same one seen in ALIEN...but we'll have to wait and see I guess.
Cervantes
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012...and I've aslo realised I should have posted mine here in the 'Prometheus Discussions' forum, rather than the 'Alien Discussions' forum.
Anyway, here's a link to my related topic, and the responses it got - http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/915#7610
draekus
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012Just a side comment: I don't usually take anything in Aliens as canon (just my personal preference), but I thought this was interesting to note. I caught this the first time i watched the DC of Aliens. The derelict ship appears to have sustained more damage than when first seen in ALIEN. (Sorry if this was already discussed.)
http://time.absoluteavp.com/pics/derelict2.jpg
(The right side, non-hammer side.)
Rick
MemberXenomorph01/3/2012Neurion,
I agree with you. I actually think the ships are different. The Terrain of LV-426 at the derelict is significantly different than that of the ship in Prometheus. The ships are similar but NOT the same. The Hammer Head arm curls up in the derelict like a plant leaf reaching towards the light. I did mention in another post (discontinuity). Different Ships Different Planets. LV-426 didn't turn into a Primordial Planetoid in 30 years and when you watch the Trailer they are running from it in broad daylight like you would see on a planet inside the goldielocks zone not a moon to a jupiter type planet like LV-426 is. If you recall in Aliens the sun never rose. Even when newt said its going to get dark soon it was already dark like dusk.
Just my opinion.
Regards,
Rick
Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph01/3/2012Rick,
Yeah...I agree with you. As far as the sunlight...in the first ALIEN, Ash did say that "The sun's coming up in twenty minutes"...and it does actually does get lighter...but never bright. So, we'll see I guess.
Peace,
Neurion
Engineer Prototype - Model GAJ84
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012Definately more than one Derelict. The one on LV-426 had been dead for 1 million years prior to its discovery by the crew of The Nostromo.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012Man I gotta tell you guys...
I just can't wait to bring this post back up the day after the film is released !!!
Rick
MemberXenomorph01/3/2012I know you will Sparky. I'll be waiting for you to go shit Rick you were right.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012I got much bigger news for all of you Rick !!!
Huge in fact.
"Jonsey" is In Prometheues and I found Proof !!!
[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/A1Jones-1.jpg]PrometheusJonsey[/url]
Pumpkins
MemberOvomorphMar-19-2012 3:42 PMGuys! Prometheus is not an ALIEN film!
I mean we will see aliens there but not xenomorphs..
Both ships are similar but diferent..
Why Similar? because they are from the Space jokey race.. and IMO this race transport, deal or whatever with parasite ALIENS..
They transport differente kind of parasite aliens..
So this time we are not going to see in Promotheus any xenomorph because it may be in the same universe but not the same ship and not the same planet.. There are 6 planets at the beginning of the trailer!!! one of them may be the LV-426.
That explains why the alien eggs looks different and why this new "parasite" alien race that the space jokey is transporting this time need an urn, thats because they are not xenomorphs..
and Imo.. the images of archeology digs are not an invite but maybe an warning..
The big question now is WTF are the Space jockeys and what are they doing????
Are they cleaning the universe from parasites or are they farming parasites?
Maybe they work with Predators!?
Im sure we will know a bit more but we will not get all answers about this race nor what they do.. we may get a 2 film..
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