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MemberOvomorphJanuary 05, 2012I mean come on...you have the derelict, LV 426...it is set before Alien..it describes the origins of the jockeys...and it's still not meant to be a prequel? Why? because there is no xenomorph? please, you would need a much bigger reason than that
This is a prequel and anyone that argues otherwise I think has a rather low IQ..the kind of people who argue about what genre a song is, when it is completely irrelevant.."That's not dubstep man it's dubstep-electro"...please
January 05, 2012
According to Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is not a reliable source. See: Snorkelbottom's indigestion.
Actually, the Wikipedia explanation you posted is the type of colloquial distillation I've been trying to combat, here. The way things like films and games are marketed today has caused the term to be generalized, and thus, invalidated.
I stand by the dictionary on this one. Also, because 'prequel' and 'sequel' are specific words to denote, or flag, especially connected works in the same universe.
Within a universe, 2 or 3 books/movies may be actual sequels - the beginning and conclusion of a plot, and the growth of the characters there-in. The other fluff in the same universe will not directly influence this arc, and should not be called prequels or sequels, if just for the sake of confusion.
/IRONY
January 05, 2012
@Snorkelbottom Wikipedia or not, do you agree with the definition of prequels? And please, try not to be so dramatic, it´s a community not a drag show..ehmm...sir?
January 05, 2012
@visualizer - The definition I used, being the one I felt was the easiest to understand, was the version from the Reference foundation's dictionary.com. Pretty much all dictionary sources will agree - in so many words - that a prequel or sequel continues a story arc established in another work; beginning it, continuing it, or concluding it. Alien's core plot is self contained, and thus Prometheus cannot function as a prequel in this way. Aliens functions as a sequel because it directly continues the struggle of the character Ripley with the antagonist of the series.
January 05, 2012
If Prometheus, or Magellan is in the same star system as Archeron then they would detect the same radio signals that Nostromo did. Especially if the derelict seen in the trailer is not the same one we've all seen since witnessing Alien. As for it's indestructable nature, I don't think it hit the ground. It landed. They stood there in environmental suits just looking at it in an upright position. At some later point it falls from this position onto it's side. No doubt something the members of the expedition did resulted in this.
January 05, 2012
@Manndroid - so you are basing your conception of a prequel on this definition: "a literary, dramatic, or filmic work that prefigures a later work, as by portraying the same characters at a younger age"
Right?
January 05, 2012
Right. Though with the proviso that it involves a story arc introduced in the previous works, as added by the Webster variant.
January 05, 2012
Just to get back to the basis of this thread - In my opinion a prequel is a story/movie devoted or dedicated to it's sequel. This, according to all those directly associated with it is not devoted to Alien but a side show answering some questions relating to Alien and dedicated to the possible origins of mankind.
January 05, 2012
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
What matters is what something is, not what it is called.
It's a companion piece.
"A companion piece is a creative work that is produced as a complementary work to another stand-alone project, but storywise has nothing to do with its predecessor. While a companion piece does not necessarily need to take place within the same "universe" as the predecessor, it must follow-up on specific themes and ideas introduced in the original work. It must also be intentionally meant by its creator to be viewed alongside or within the same context as the earlier work".
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January 05, 2012
guys,
I am sorry to chime in here but I couldn't take it any longer...
Here is EXACTLY what Ridley Scott has to say on all of this....or rather, what he has made perfectly clear to all of us already, and a long time ago at that...
It was just a matter of time before we'd get some details about the Prometheus presentation at the CineEurope expo in Amsterdam today, as The Hollywood Reporter gives us the details.
First of all, Ridley Scott confirmed that Prometheus will be about the mysterious Space Jockey as seen in the derelict ship in Alien:
Scott acknowledged that Prometheus, while not a direct prequel to Alien, occupies the same general universe, saying the picture was inspired by a desire to explore the mystery of the "space jockey" the giant fossilized creature with the burst-open chest seen in the first Alien movie but never explained.
Scott also confirmed, as we've previously only speculated, that Prometheus is the name of the ship in the movie and that the ship is sent out into space by a large company much like the "company" (Weyland Yutani) we know from the Alien franchise.
Also, back in March we speculated that the movie might be somewhat inspired by Swiss sci-fi writer Eric van Dankien, who claimed that humans are not indigenous to Earth. It seems we were right again:
"The (space) journey, metaphorically, is about a challenge to the gods," Scott said. But Scott's ambitions with Prometheus go far beyond simply restarting a hit franchise. The British director said the film's storyline, and script by David Lindelof, was partially inspired by the writings of legendary Swiss sci-fi writer Eric van Daniken.
Van Daniken, author of 1968 bestseller Chariot of the Gods, is best known as the first proponent of the so-called ancient astronaut theory, which holds that aliens kick-started civilization on earth. "NASA and the Vatican agree that is almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way," Scott said.
"That's what we're looking at (in the film), at some of Eric van Daniken's ideas of how did we humans come about."
January 05, 2012
yes, and I just wanted it out there because I am sure a lot of people would want to know what he did in fact say about all this.
Edit: and in no way what so ever was it intended to undermine your post, I like the post, it has exposed many many falsehoods!
January 05, 2012
No man its totally cool. This is what this forum is for. Read new theories and articles, learn from them and lets hope everyone enjoys the film for what it will be. My own opinion, when i look at the teaser trailer again after lots of discussions, i still have a feeling no matter what Ridley throws at us its gonna be great. I remember reading a good while back Ridley quoted he wants to make it - "Nasty" That's enough for me lol.
January 05, 2012
hahahahaha
yea me too
I can't wait to read what Frantz tells us all a few days before the rest of us see it !!!
He is going to be in the envious position of telling us which theories were close, which were dead bang on, which were completely off course, and whether it all works or not.
June is going to be a very interesting and quite cathartic month I think for all of us !!!