Can you clarify these plot 'issues'?

Engr101 3) The hybrid Xeno (Ripley's bastard child) design here is very poor, uninspired, even unintentionally comical. You must not see the Creative Genius that was the twitching nose. Right up there with the Nipples on the Batman suit

"Darwin was wrong"...? There is no reason to suggest that Natural Selection is wrong. How would they ever get that into the plot? The SJs prob gave us (humans) a push in the right direction.

That hybrid Xeno in Alien Res was the stupidest looking creature I have ever seen. And yes I laughed when I seen the stupid thing too. I was actually laughing so hard I was crying when that scientist was cocooned on the wall and he starts baby talking the thing saying "oh what a beautiful baby, what a beautiful little butterfly, come here, come here." Then it climbs up the wall and bites his head off. The brilliance behind that terrifying scene should be shot or get a job in comedy movies.

@ Melkor - Today there are 3 views as to how we came to be... 1. Evolution - Science, commonly accepted as truth. 2. Creation - Religion, heart warming idea but a bit fantastical. 3. Intervention - Hack, commonly regarded as nonsense. According to what we know of Prometheus, it is going to say that 3 is the truth. If in the real world this happened both Science and Religion would be in uproar because they had it wrong. Religious beliefs would be shattered, scientific theories and laws would be questioned, society would fall apart. Hence the company will cover it up.

I dont think that newts family found the derelict via distress beacon from the derelict but rather because burke has Informed the colonists to find that derelict and gets finders bonus. if u rewatch Aliens special editions U will notice that newts dad was not out there for a picknick but he wanted to find that derelict, because burke told him after the weyland yutani conference With ripley.

@ Snorkelbottom... I don't think that Prometheus has to prevent a mutually exclusive/ 'either or' case for (1) or (3). 1 and 3 [and even (2) to some extent] can tie in to each other. I believe the plot will say SJs steered mankind to being an advanced/ sentient species but that NS was ongoing on Earth. Time will tell! :-)

@ melkor... I am not, and have not stated that anything against natural selection, what I was saying was in regards to another members post (not yours) as to why the truth of our origins would be covered up... Prometheus seems to be saying that we are here because of alien intervention (the degree of which we wont know till june), which goes against the two most commonly held beliefs that either god made us (religion) or we evolved from lesser creatures (science). If both we wrong would you tell them, if you did would they believe you etc. etc. That was the point I was making when i mentioned darwin, nothing more.

-" If in the real world this happened both Science and Religion would be in uproar because they had it wrong. Religious beliefs would be shattered, scientific theories and laws would be questioned, society would fall apart." I doubt this would happen, well maybe the current religions, but believe me, they would find a B.S. way to explain this with their point of view. As far as science goes, this would not be a problem, as science is based on evidence; again as the great Carl Sagan put it "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", and in this case, the evidence would precede the claim. All that would have to be done is revise the current models and start a new line of inquiry. But even if such an event were to happen, it would be a hell of task to prove these aliens were our precursors. The way our modern life is, I doubt anybody would care much anyway, and after a short while (barring an invasion of course), we'd probably just find it an interesting event and continue buying stuff...

religion, if a drawing leads to death threats imagine what "god does exist" would do, and the pope would be out of a job science based on evidence, not lately. they would refute it for the next 50 years, even with evidence to support it. everyone else, true they wouldn't care

-"religion, if a drawing leads to death threats imagine what "god does exist" would do, and the pope would be out of a job" But this would not be a claim though, they would be powerless to deny something we can see. -"science based on evidence, not lately. they would refute it for the next 50 years, even with evidence to support it." Science is not in a fight with reality, it merely tries to explain it. Science is not an entity either, it is just a way of looking at things. What you mention is not science, it makes no sense as you put it.

@ Macs - why are you picking up everything i say and twisting it towards a debate. Religion - thousands of years, established established beliefs, societies moral compass. Science - academics, that seek the truth but usually ignore it for fantasy All the major religions (jewish, christian, islamic) would demand irrefutable prove beyond a shadow of a doubt of what the prometheus would claim. Take into account hardcore believers of these religions outright ignore the idea of evolution. Scientists live in the own little world, whenever a new discovery is made or a new idea is formed they pounce on it and rip it apart like, well like a pack of Aliens. It wasn't until recently that scientists admitted the leading factor to the dinosaurs extinction was a big chunk of rock from space, and only 15-20 years did they begin to acknowledge that dinosaurs evolved into birds, all this despite the fact that the "evidence" was right under their noses. if promethes made its claims scientists would claim deep space dementia, hallucinations, delusions from isolation, cryostasis malfunctions etc, etc,

A few points as I see it... * We forget that in the original story of Alien the derelict did not contain the eggs, they were located in an egg silo located somewhere near or under the derelict ship. This could mean that the Jockeys actually found the silo after landing on the LV426. Budget ran out and the story was altered as we now see it in Alien. Also in the original story Cain turns off the distress/warning beacon when the mechanism is found on the derelict. It was some kind of automated mechanical beacon. * As LV426 had previously not been mapped and with the Nostromo destroyed the company probably did not know exactly where the derelict was located. Perhaps Human technology at the time was unable to distinguish the Alien tech from the planet surface. * I too see a difference between the Alien ship in the trailer and the derelict ship in Alien and Aliens, they however are obviously the same make, perhaps different models. * Re religeous ideas, best we stay out of this as we really dont want to stir up negatives from the over zealous fundementalists who love to ruin our fun at the movies.....

-"@ Macs - why are you picking up everything i say and twisting it towards a debate." I'm not twisting anything, just replying to your claims. This is not picking a fight either. -"Religion - thousands of years, established established beliefs, societies moral compass." Not sure what you mean -"Science - academics, that seek the truth but usually ignore it for fantasy" Not sure what you mean. -"All the major religions (jewish, christian, islamic) would demand irrefutable prove beyond a shadow of a doubt of what the prometheus would claim. Take into account hardcore believers of these religions outright ignore the idea of evolution." Religion is based on faith, they don't demand proofs. They believe what they believe because either their leaders, or books or whatever story demands it. Dogma of faith. Most religions we know, at least the more popular ones, deny evolution precisely because it is based on scientific principles, not dogma. For them, if the bible says for example, that man came from Adam and eve, then they must believe so, no questions allowed, even if another explanation entailed another B.S. story, like the Prometheus one as you put it. -"Scientists live in the own little world, whenever a new discovery is made or a new idea is formed they pounce on it and rip it apart like, well like a pack of Aliens. It wasn't until recently that scientists admitted the leading factor to the dinosaurs extinction was a big chunk of rock from space, and only 15-20 years did they begin to acknowledge that dinosaurs evolved into birds, all this despite the fact that the "evidence" was right under their noses. if promethes made its claims scientists would claim deep space dementia, hallucinations, delusions from isolation, cryostasis malfunctions etc, etc," I doubt any scientist would ever deny something he could see and verify (no magic tricks please). Now, a CLAIM that an alien life form is our ancestor, would definitely have to come under scrutiny. Acknowledging that you see an Alien is not the same as claiming he is your father (figuratively speaking of course). But if someone were to come up with proof that such was the case, then it would be scientific FACT. Again extraordinary claims would require extraordinary evidence. Just a bit about the dinosaurs, keep in mind there is no definite consensus on this, and if opinion has changed in time is only because evidence has pointed to it though...

my 2 cents before i go bed... man evolved from apes - fact, religion says otherwise science - dark matter/energy exist... wheres the proof/evidence dinosaurs - birdhipped dinosaurs known for 200 years yet 15-20 years ago until they acknowledge dino's evolved into birds. evidence was always there, they ignored it. end of, my comments were made to explain why the company would coverup the prometheus mission findings and have been overanalysed for the sake of sake, detracting this thread away from its topic (as is usually the case). night all

-"my 2 cents before i go bed... man evolved from apes - fact, religion says otherwise" True to a large extent, good reason to believe so. -"science - dark matter/energy exist... wheres the proof/evidence" There is good reason to believe dark matter does indeed exist, there are well reasoned arguments to support this, but there is no physical proof of this as far as I know, so it is not FACT yet, or there is no law associated with it. Physicists/scientists have never claimed something that is not proven, not sure where you get this from. Whoever were to do this, would not be a scientist. THere are many of these types" BTW. Energy is a concept, it is not some "thing". The concept of energy has been very useful in explaining many physical processes. The task of the scientist is not an easy one for sure. -"dinosaurs - birdhipped dinosaurs known for 200 years yet 15-20 years ago until they acknowledge dino's evolved into birds. evidence was always there, they ignored it." Who are these "scientists" you are talking about? "end of, my comments were made to explain why the company would coverup the prometheus mission findings and have been overanalysed for the sake of sake, detracting this thread away from its topic (as is usually the case). night all" Good night :)

[i]man evolved from apes - fact, religion says otherwise" True to a large extent, good reason to believe so.[/i] I am no longer a full time subscriber to Darwinian Theory. Science never fully explains what events trigger the evolution path from apes to humans or produce evidence of the Missing Link (what ever happens to the hair on our body, or the tail..?). And if you are annoyed by this, you shouldn't be excited at a movie that in all likelihood proposes Bio-Synthesis as the basis of a Creationist Theory.

You guys are talking about Darwinian Theory when discussing a plot for movie that probably proposes Bio-Synthesis as the basis of a Creationist Theory?

[i]man evolved from apes - fact, religion says otherwise[/i] Man evolving from Ape is a theory, not a fact. It actually requires faith to subscribe to Darwinian Theory which fails to provide empirical evidence what triggers the evolution path from ape to human. Science requires faith.

ok this is why i hate religion, we are talking about a sci fi horror movie. why in politicly correct deity are we bringing up evolution and religion. i still say its a different ship, and maybe the shot of the jockey chair and the saucer like ship are flashbacks.

-"Man evolving from Ape is a theory, not a fact. It actually requires faith to subscribe to Darwinian Theory which fails to provide empirical evidence what triggers the evolution path from ape to human. Science requires faith." Faith plays no part in Darwinian theory and there is plenty of evidence for the natural selection process, such as fossils. Fossil records are notoriously difficult to get because most living flesh is unlikely to fossilize, but trying to deny the validity of it by a few "gaps" is a non starter. Dating the age of fossils is also a fairly accurate practice through the use of carbon dating and strata levels. At no point are there "leaps of faith" suggested. It is very different than saying "God did it and it's over".