Space Jockey Was Never Fossilized

Gavin

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I've started this as a thread to see if anyone else see's what I see. In Alien our assumption and Dallas' was that the Space Jockey in the Derelict was fossilized and had been there a long, long time... [img]http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg[/img] For 30 years we have held to this assumption, believing the Space Jockey was a flesh and blood being when he was alive, kinda like this (best picture I could get to illustrate my point)... [img]http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/d/d1/Mala'kak.jpg[/img] Then recently Ridley Scott changed the gameplan and announced that what we saw in Alien wasn't the Space Jockey, it was its suit. Which we see examples of in this (taken from the newest image)... [img]http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/space_jockey_background_crop.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/28869/Prometheus_Image_Shows_Two_Space_Jockey_Suits_The_Background_1326727467.jpg[/img] Looking at these suits/statues and comparing them to the image from Alien and Ridleys statement reveals that the Space Jockey wasn't fossilized in Alien, it was just a faded exo-skeletal bio-mechanical suit. Yes that means Dallas was wrong and after all these years (33) we were wrong. Fossil - [i]n[/i] petrified (skeletal) remains of plants and animals [img]http://www.staff.olympia.org/external/OHSLibrary/dino1.gif[/img] The Space Jockey is not and never was a fossil, just a faded exo-skeletal suit. To clarify here is a quote from forum member Starbeast... [quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote] Am I the only one who sees this.

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January 17, 2012

@ Spartacus..Well i'm in agreement i think whatever happens it will be a very good film hopefully a great instant classic but i cant imagine it being bad but the trouble is and i'm as guilty as everyone else we are all putting this film on a pedestal that's going to be hard for any film maker to live up to . I just know Ridley's no fool and wants to do the best he can with any project he engages in but as stated before you can't please everyone all of the time . I just hope the film is intelligent, well written, and entertaining i have more Ridley films in my film collection then any other director and unlike some i feel none of his films are what i term bad some are much better than others but none are truly terrible. I never bought a good year though wasn't my thing but its not awful its watchable that's it. Besides not all projects are deemed classic material and i don't think films should be made with that kind of expectation but when you raise the bar in some genres it tends to be expected for all.

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January 17, 2012

LOL I have complete faith in Ridley and I expect not only the film but the story to be incredible in an unexpected way. Perhaps the SJ in the original Alien is thousands of years old and the action in the trailer happens else where and only leads the Promethius to LV426 for a totally different reason. We will have to wait and see......

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January 17, 2012

I hope you do not psyche yourself out and lose the ability to just sit still and absorb what you are about to see!!!

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January 17, 2012

It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but [i]is[/i] now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.

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January 17, 2012

There's a good reason why the SJ might be fossilized. The derelict ship crashes on a planet with a moist atmosphere and has greenery, as seen in Prometheus trailer. In Alien, LV426 is a dark and lifeless atmosphere. When comparing the two atmospheres, it would imply millenia would have passed. This also could mean LV426 was an SJ terraforming project of theirs gone awry. Of course this would mean there's a worm hole of some kind, throwing us back into the past. Also, look at the interior of the SJ command post. In Alien the interior walls were boney and in Prometheus it is new, smooth and metalic, but still in keeping with the original boney pattern. Keep in mind that this technology is biomechanical and the ship's structure can grow or change. I personally think the mechanical structure turns biological with time, hence the boney appearance.

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January 17, 2012

"Alien" was pretty damned epic in terms of art design and direction. The cast was really talented, but the script didn't allow for much in the way of fleshing-out the victims before they were eviscerated.....or cocooned. I mean, come on, [i]Ash[/i] is the most interesting character on the ship! The movie worked in spite of that, certainly not because of it, and writing is what I have some concerns about with this installment. The plot and story could be shockingly unexpected and original.....or Hollywood-predictable. I do really like the sequence of the SJ ship falling, crashing into and rolling across the ground. It's unpredictably, completely unrealistic, relative to what we should expect, and an effective way of demonstrating that the SJs possess technology[i] far[/i] beyond our understanding. On the other hand, if the SJ ship in Alien and Prometheus ended up being one and the same, I think it would simply be just a bit [i]too[/i] neat.........."picky-picky" I know. p

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January 17, 2012

Hey guys, I might be completely behind on PROMETHEUS news but, what about the recent photos of latex Space Jockey masks or prosthetic appliances? If those are the real thing…then the Space Jockey beings in this film will have flesh…of some kind. The SJ “suit” could just be an outer exo-skeletal shell with fleshy components. The suit may still be alive…in a symbiosis with the wearer…as I’ve already heard discussed in length on these forums. The “Alien” itself had an exoskeleton and a form flesh and tissue…like an insect. Ergo, the SJ in the original ALIEN might actually BE…a dead fossilized biomechanical suit, with an equally dead “Engineer” wearer, with a burst ribcage. The new photos are so shadowed, that they don’t reveal much in detail…just the general SJ shape that we’re all familiar with. What do you think…yes…no? ~N

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January 17, 2012

sounds Feasible enough to me ask walter he will give you his superior opinion lol

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January 17, 2012

I wonder if Weylan corp has some sort of genetics program that went bad and now there sending another set of expendable crew to assist in their observing and laughing project..

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January 18, 2012

[quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote] Starbeast, that is the best way of putting it, why others are hesitant to accept it is beyond me

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January 18, 2012

I agree , i think it was faded not fossilized. Or possibly maybe the colour difference between the suits we see is the fact that maybe there are two types of Jockeys caught up in a civil war or something... that could also explain why other things look different such as the spaceship crashing. Who knows maybe the one suit we saw in the original alien was one side ,,, who were hell bent on creating some type or bio weapon and destroying worlds and then maybe the other darker suits are against that and want to preserve life Just a thought. This is killing me all this speculation but I love it at the same time.

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January 18, 2012

the fossilazation look is indeed a problem, that would mean it has to be be biological and at least there for millions of years, otherwise it just would fade away. Furthermore, the hole from the chest burster looks fossilized, too. For me, thats what Giger wanted with his design, as he did it with his own hands on the set.

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January 18, 2012

Fossilisation, complete in-to fossilisation I doubt it, not without some sort of sedimentation process followed by an exchange of mineral composition and, considering the chemical composition of the atmosphere of LV426 I mean its a movie people... can only be better then Alien 3 and 4 . the suit is more a fesable theory anyway. Let me guess as to the ending one lone female... Somebody wake up Hicks!

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January 20, 2012

If this is the case. It justifies my ongoing confusion as to the time span between this prequel and the first movie. The tech. from the Nostromo (and the slightly later marines for that matter) seems comparable to Prometheus. If the SJ was fossilized (takes at least 10,000 yrs), the Nostromo's tech would be seriously more advanced... Unless the Prometheus goes through a worm hole with the crew of the Enterprise and goes back in time. True?

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January 20, 2012

Also, wouldn't Earth be gone by the time another 10,000 yrs. went by? Wouldn't the Weylan(d) company?

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January 21, 2012

is supposed to be a fossil rock which was moulded by bones? without a doubt the sj of Alien the eighth passenger wore a biological suit as the using of ID4 aliens. Perhaps its deterioration is due to the fact that it is a biomechanoid that has been affected by the conditions of the environment and the passage of time. The xenomorfos must be machines due to the strong resemblance they have with the SJ. I hope that the movie has sexual references as the Necronomicon. in fact come to think that the space jockeys would be as bad as the cenobites from Hellraiser. Another thing that I imagine at first was that the xenomorphs would have a different aspect by the fact of having had no contact with humans. Just imagine a native creature on the planet of the jockey, who is infected by the facehugger, the result would be a creature with a completely different aspect to the xenomorph born of a human, dog, cat or Predator…

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January 21, 2012

Is supposed to be a fossil rock which was moulded by bones, true? without a doubt the SJ of Alíen the eighth passenger wore a biological suit as the using of ID4 aliens. Perhaps its deterioration is due to the fact that it is a biomechanoid that has been affected by the conditions of the environment and the passage of time. Indeed the xenomorphs must be machines due to the strong resemblance they have with the suit. I hope that the movie has sexual references as the Necronomicon. in fact come to think that the space jockeys would be as bad as the cenobites from hellraiser. Another thing that I imagine at first was that the xenomorphs would have a different aspect by the fact of having had no contact with humans. Just imagine a native creature on the planet of the jockey, who is infected by the facehugger, the result would be a creature with a completely different aspect to the xenomorph born of a human, dog, cat or predator…

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January 24, 2012

Ridley only said it's a suit. He never even mentions what type. We assume bio-mechanical because that plays into Giger's designs. If it is a suit I will agree it can't be fossilized. As was already mentioned there needs to be an organcic element to become fossilized. However if it is bio-mechanical then there is your organic element. Bio is short for biological right? As for the time to become fossilized. Does Ridley mention in his interviews that only 30 years (or so) has past? Does he mention that it is the same derelict in Prometheus as in Alien? Call it hokey, but would anyone put it past Hollywood to try some crazy wormhole crap. I agree Ridley Scott is an excellent director and a true visionary, but I caution putting him up on a pedastol until the movie is released. A few years ago a lot of bloggers bowed down at the alter of sci-fi to worship another director that was making pre-quels. I have 3 words for how they turned out. Jar Jar Binks.

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January 26, 2012

I have added an image of a fossil to the OP to help fuel this discussion.