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Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/17/2012I've started this as a thread to see if anyone else see's what I see.
In Alien our assumption and Dallas' was that the Space Jockey in the Derelict was fossilized and had been there a long, long time...
[img]http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg[/img]
For 30 years we have held to this assumption, believing the Space Jockey was a flesh and blood being when he was alive, kinda like this (best picture I could get to illustrate my point)...
[img]http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/d/d1/Mala'kak.jpg[/img]
Then recently Ridley Scott changed the gameplan and announced that what we saw in Alien wasn't the Space Jockey, it was its suit. Which we see examples of in this (taken from the newest image)...
[img]http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/space_jockey_background_crop.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/28869/Prometheus_Image_Shows_Two_Space_Jockey_Suits_The_Background_1326727467.jpg[/img]
Looking at these suits/statues and comparing them to the image from Alien and Ridleys statement reveals that the Space Jockey wasn't fossilized in Alien, it was just a faded exo-skeletal bio-mechanical suit.
Yes that means Dallas was wrong and after all these years (33) we were wrong.
Fossil - [i]n[/i] petrified (skeletal) remains of plants and animals
[img]http://www.staff.olympia.org/external/OHSLibrary/dino1.gif[/img]
The Space Jockey is not and never was a fossil, just a faded exo-skeletal suit.
To clarify here is a quote from forum member Starbeast...
[quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote]
Am I the only one who sees this.
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Apollo
MemberOvomorph01/18/2012I agree , i think it was faded not fossilized. Or possibly maybe the colour difference between the suits we see is the fact that maybe there are two types of Jockeys caught up in a civil war or something... that could also explain why other things look different such as the spaceship crashing. Who knows maybe the one suit we saw in the original alien was one side ,,, who were hell bent on creating some type or bio weapon and destroying worlds and then maybe the other darker suits are against that and want to preserve life Just a thought. This is killing me all this speculation but I love it at the same time.
Kane77
MemberOvomorph01/18/2012the fossilazation look is indeed a problem, that would mean it has to be be biological and at least there for millions of years, otherwise it just would fade away. Furthermore, the hole from the chest burster looks fossilized, too.
For me, thats what Giger wanted with his design, as he did it with his own hands on the set.
Plagioclase
MemberOvomorph01/18/2012Fossilisation, complete in-to fossilisation I doubt it, not without some sort of sedimentation process followed by an exchange of mineral composition and, considering the chemical composition of the atmosphere of LV426 I mean its a movie people... can only be better then Alien 3 and 4 . the suit is more a fesable theory anyway. Let me guess as to the ending one lone female... Somebody wake up Hicks!
db
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012If this is the case. It justifies my ongoing confusion as to the time span between this prequel and the first movie. The tech. from the Nostromo (and the slightly later marines for that matter) seems comparable to Prometheus. If the SJ was fossilized (takes at least 10,000 yrs), the Nostromo's tech would be seriously more advanced... Unless the Prometheus goes through a worm hole with the crew of the Enterprise and goes back in time. True?
db
MemberOvomorph01/20/2012Also, wouldn't Earth be gone by the time another 10,000 yrs. went by? Wouldn't the Weylan(d) company?
Guest
MemberOvomorph01/21/2012is supposed to be a fossil rock which was moulded by bones?
without a doubt the sj of Alien the eighth passenger wore a biological suit as the using of ID4 aliens. Perhaps its deterioration is due to the fact that it is a biomechanoid that has been affected by the conditions of the environment and the passage of time. The xenomorfos must be machines due to the strong resemblance they have with the SJ.
I hope that the movie has sexual references as the Necronomicon. in fact come to think that the space jockeys would be as bad as the cenobites from Hellraiser.
Another thing that I imagine at first was that the xenomorphs would have a different aspect by the fact of having had no contact with humans. Just imagine a native creature on the planet of the jockey, who is infected by the facehugger, the result would be a creature with a completely different aspect to the xenomorph born of a human, dog, cat or Predator…
shambs
MemberOvomorph01/21/2012Is supposed to be a fossil rock which was moulded by bones, true?
without a doubt the SJ of Alíen the eighth passenger wore a biological suit as the using of ID4 aliens. Perhaps its deterioration is due to the fact that it is a biomechanoid that has been affected by the conditions of the environment and the passage of time. Indeed the xenomorphs must be machines due to the strong resemblance they have with the suit.
I hope that the movie has sexual references as the Necronomicon. in fact come to think that the space jockeys would be as bad as the cenobites from hellraiser.
Another thing that I imagine at first was that the xenomorphs would have a different aspect by the fact of having had no contact with humans. Just imagine a native creature on the planet of the jockey, who is infected by the facehugger, the result would be a creature with a completely different aspect to the xenomorph born of a human, dog, cat or predator…
Rakkasan
MemberOvomorph01/24/2012Ridley only said it's a suit. He never even mentions what type. We assume bio-mechanical because that plays into Giger's designs. If it is a suit I will agree it can't be fossilized. As was already mentioned there needs to be an organcic element to become fossilized.
However if it is bio-mechanical then there is your organic element. Bio is short for biological right?
As for the time to become fossilized. Does Ridley mention in his interviews that only 30 years (or so) has past? Does he mention that it is the same derelict in Prometheus as in Alien? Call it hokey, but would anyone put it past Hollywood to try some crazy wormhole crap. I agree Ridley Scott is an excellent director and a true visionary, but I caution putting him up on a pedastol until the movie is released. A few years ago a lot of bloggers bowed down at the alter of sci-fi to worship another director that was making pre-quels. I have 3 words for how they turned out. Jar Jar Binks.
Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/26/2012I have added an image of a fossil to the OP to help fuel this discussion.
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