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Jeffomorph
MemberOvomorph01/26/2012The other thread wondering if the deleted scene warning signal in ALIEN is the space jockey voice got me wondering...
How do you think the Space Jockeys and/or Engineers will communicate with the crew of Prometheus?
Some possibilities I can think of are:
They will speak in English-- (we have studied your transmissions and learned your method of communication). The voice might be digitally altered to make it unique, but still understandable.
They will speak through David--Possibly some digital format that data can decode and relay to the human crew members.
They will speak telepathically--Could be in the form of an inner voice, or through some sort of vision. This could be cumbersome to the movie if there is a lot of communication.
Also the possibility of Empathic communication. The crew doesn't communicate in the typical sense, but instead the beings project feeling/intent at the crew. Example would be love (if they are good), or Malevolence.
Any thoughts?
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Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorph01/26/2012Since in the story line they created us it would make some sense that they are able to speak some form of Human language I believe.
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Rick
MemberXenomorph01/26/2012RC8,
We don't know exactly if they created us or not. Thats a bit of the mythos of the storyline. I don't see them speaking our language. Why would they need to pick up our language? I'm sure its possible but why? This is true if they perceive us as lesser beings than them. I think we would need to learn theirs. Along with superiority comes arrogance and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Regards,
Rick

Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorph01/26/2012You have a good point Rick. Maybe they don't speak human at all. But my question to you is why wouldn't they know a form of human language? If in the story does involve us being generated by these beings (if it does) wouldn't it make some sense that they know our language in some fashion. Know our body language. From what we know from studio pictures is that they have some human form. They must of shared some secrets with us in the story line. It just wouldn't make any sense to me that they wouldn't know how we communicate. At the same time I see your point.
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Guest
MemberOvomorph01/26/2012
Ok this is some heavy stuff I've been tossing around because I'm obsessed with ancient cultures/writings and also the ideas about lost lands like Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria etc. Or even a lost global mother culture that retained their stone building techniques in the upper-middle Paleolithic. Possible spoilers ahead. The idea of interbreeding with Neanderthal man and cro-magnon man is one that's gained LOTS of traction in the archaeological/anthropological world. This would be a better sci-fi way to go than alien astronauts, and can tie into why they're so human. What I propose is a mixture of the disappearance of Atlantis tales and alien astronaut theory. So that these ancient humanoids were more advanced and possibly had help from "others" like many myths depict.
Shaw could know this theory and it could play a major role in Prometheus, and the legends about giants. Really it has more potential archaeological evidence in the form of thousands of submerged megalithic complexes than the alien astronaut theory does, and would be the more scientific way to go. Some think the hybrids were used by the much smarter homo-sapiens as a slave race to transport and do megalithic stone work. Lost civilization of humans who went interstellar to avoid the demise of their culture on Earth could be a major reveal in the movie., This means our ancient languages/cultures could be derived from what they left us. When we find one of their temples in Africa it could kick start all of Prometheus, and be the need for someone like Shaw who might sort of understand this culture/ancient language.
I honestly think they'll delve into the mythology a lot more than most are thinking. The Elder God cosmology and the overthrowing of one deity by another is a huge part of the Titan's aka Prometheus's back-story. And with Shaw, an Archaeologist, as our main character I think it's a safe bet she'll give us plenty of insights on their civilization. She could eventually realize that many of the myths we're talking about these guys, but start to question why they are so human themselves.
Rather than gods actually creating us from scratch, maybe some interbreed ala the alien astronaut stuff, like fallen angels and the daughters of man, and left traces of past civilizations which ends up being the archaeological find that kick starts the movie. Even if Shaw devoutly follows the bible, believes in God etc. there are parts even in those writings that, when put in a certain context, can be interpreted as interplanetary beings actually coming down to earth. Half-way through Shaw realizes these human-like guys must have been the ones who built the temple(s) on Earth because of the ancient sumerian style language, megalithic construction & possibly methods of manufacture/materials.
I really think that with all the background stuff, the Greek myths + allusions to other ancient cultures and alien astronaut theory forming the base; that they'll communicate mainly through ancient symbols/ and more rudimentary symbols/actions etc (the Jockey who drew the pyramid in the original script)., like anthropologists studying exotic tribes for the first time at the turn of the 19th century the humans may use symbols and gestures. Possibly a made up language roughly related to cuneiform. Modeled after how ancient Hebrew would be spoken.
Most of the communication could be through anthropological analysis/interpretation done by Shaw. When she sees that giant head she should be extremely intrigued, there would be so many things to start looking at aside from the physical properties. Once those are analyzed, even briefly, a whole new questioning process could set in when if she sees the megalithic construction. She should be analyzing and interpreting the whole movie long because that's what archaeologists do. Especially if she is trying to figure out this race of gods who now seem more like a whole new civilization, and even do megalithic construction (archaeologist argue over method of manufacture, but still think humans built them).
At first she'll probably be way off in her interpretations, maybe even translations (because David wouldn't quite know the variations in the language), but then she realizes some of the old legends had elements of truth to them. And can analyze everything in a new context. The legends just have to be interpreted the right way, and when new data presents itself within the film it can change the whole context when looking at ancient cultures, myths, and even translating languages. In short I think there are many reasons Shaw is a specialist in ancient cultures is accompanying the crew. They already suspect they'll find more stone architecture because of the original discovery on Earth. Possibly in some megalithic burial site or temple in Africa that was once used by some lost civilization. Shaw doesn't begin to unravel this until she sees the human-looking head and actually encounters the tall humanoids.
Shaw could be our main window into deciphering what the Jockeys are trying to say and really up to. Once she realizes they're not really gods her archaeological training overtakes her disbelief and she'll give us our key explanations for what they really are. It may be unreliable to trust her archaeological interpretations at first because her belief in God is so strong. But, I really think her and David (because of a database of human languages) will be our main communicator with the others, and our window into their culture, whether or not their ancient earth humans, the tall, pale Atlanteans of legends, the Annunaki of alien astronaut theory etc.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorph01/26/2012Ok this is some heavy stuff I've been tossing around because I'm obsessed with ancient cultures/writings and also the ideas about lost lands like Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria etc. Or even a lost global mother culture that retained their stone building techniques in the upper-middle Paleolithic. Possible spoilers ahead. The idea of interbreeding with Neanderthal man and cro-magnon man is one that's gained LOTS of traction in the archaeological/anthropological world. This would be a better sci-fi way to go than alien astronauts, and can tie into why they're so human. What I propose is a mixture of the disappearance of Atlantis tales and alien astronaut theory. So that these ancient humanoids were more advanced and possibly had help from "others" like many myths depict.
Shaw could know this interbreeding theory and it could play a major role in Prometheus, and the legends about giants. Really it has more potential archaeological evidence in the form of thousands of submerged megalithic complexes than the alien astronaut theory does, and would be the more scientific way to go. Some think the larger Neanderthal hybrids were used by the much smarter homo-sapiens and homo-sapien hybrids as a slave race to transport and carve stone and do megalithic stone work. A lost civilization of humans who went interstellar to avoid the demise of their culture on Earth (Flood tale, Atlantis sinking) could be a major reveal in the movie, This means our ancient languages/cultures could be derived from what they left us, the stone evidence. The only thing to survive the thousands of years. When we find one of their temples in Africa it could kick start all of Prometheus, and be the need for someone like Shaw who might sort of understand this culture/ancient language.
I honestly think they'll delve into the mythology a lot more than most are thinking. The Elder God cosmology and the overthrowing of one deity by another is a huge part of the Titan's aka Prometheus's back-story. And with Shaw, an Archaeologist, as our main character I think it's a safe bet she'll give us plenty of insights on their civilization. She could eventually realize that many of the myths were talking about these guys, but start to question why they are so human themselves.
Rather than gods actually creating us from scratch, maybe some interbreed ala the alien astronaut stuff, like fallen angels and the daughters of man, and left traces of past civilizations which ends up being the archaeological find that kick starts the movie. Even if Shaw devoutly follows the bible, believes in God etc. there are parts even in those writings that, when put in a certain context, can be interpreted as interplanetary beings actually coming down to earth. Half-way through Shaw realizes these human-like guys must have been the ones who built the temple(s) on Earth because of the ancient sumerian style language, megalithic construction & possibly methods of manufacture/materials.
I really think that with all the background stuff, the Greek myths + allusions to other ancient cultures and alien astronaut theory forming the base; that they'll communicate mainly through ancient symbols/ and more rudimentary symbols/actions etc (the Jockey who drew the pyramid in the original script), like anthropologists studying exotic tribes for the first time at the turn of the 19th century, the humans may use symbols and gestures. Possibly a made up language roughly related to cuneiform. Modeled after how ancient Hebrew would be spoken.
Most of the communication could be through anthropological analysis/interpretation done by Shaw. When she sees that giant head she should be extremely intrigued, there would be so many things to start looking at aside from the physical properties. Once those are analyzed, even briefly, a whole new questioning process could set in when if she sees the megalithic construction. She should be analyzing and interpreting the whole movie long because that's what archaeologists do. Especially if she is trying to figure out this race of gods who now seem more like a whole new civilization, and even do megalithic construction (archaeologist argue over method of manufacture, but still think humans built them).
At first she'll probably be way off in her interpretations, maybe even translations (because David wouldn't quite know the variations in the language), but then she realizes some of the old legends had elements of truth to them. And can analyze everything in a new context. The legends just have to be interpreted the right way, and when new data presents itself within the film it can change the whole context when looking at ancient cultures, myths, and even translating languages. In short I think there are many reasons Shaw is a specialist in ancient cultures and is accompanying the crew. They already suspect they'll find more stone architecture because of the original discovery on Earth. Possibly in some megalithic burial site or temple in Africa that was once used by some lost civilization. Shaw doesn't begin to unravel this until she sees the human-looking head and actually encounters the tall humanoids.
Shaw could be our main window into deciphering what the Jockeys are trying to say and really up to. Once she realizes they're not really gods her archaeological training overtakes her disbelief and she'll give us our key explanations for what they really are. It may be unreliable to trust her archaeological interpretations at first because her belief in God is so strong. But, I really think her and David (because of a database of human languages) will be our main communicators with the others, and our window into their culture, whether or not they're ancient earth humans, the tall pale Atlanteans of legends, the Annunaki of alien astronaut theory etc.

bigbirdjimmy
MemberOvomorph01/26/2012@ Jeffomorph, you had a earlier post of:
"I think the ultimate creep factor would be if they beings completely ignored the crew for the most part. Then when somebody messes up or takes something they shouldn't, they finally turn their attention to the crew"
LOL. It sounds just like the Borg in Star Trek. Not saying your wrong but it sounds just like them. Do you have Star Trek on the brain?

visualizer
MemberOvomorph01/27/2012[quote]I don't know, maybe to pay for his cookie habit[/quote]
I am so hoping this is not your way of saying, that Courteney cox is inside the blue guy.

Jeffomorph
MemberOvomorph01/27/2012@bigbirdjimmy --I wasn't really thinking of the Borg when I mentioned that, but thats a good point.
Actually in another post awhile back I had another theory and made another comparison between the Space Jockey and the Borg. My thought was that the Space Jockey Species, with all their assumed genetic manipulating, is searching for genetic perfection. The Borg are also striving for perfection (although not necessarily focused on the genetic aspect).
The big difference is the SJ's are builders, growers, and engineers. The Borg are strictly consumers :)

bigbirdjimmy
MemberOvomorph01/28/2012I don't know if it has been said before, but if it has my apology. I was just watching Alien today and watched the deleted scenes. They have one, where Captain Dallas had Lambert play the audio out loud for the crew to all hear. It was creepy to me and am wondering if Mr. Scott will use the same audio or language. I do realize it is a deleted scene.
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