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MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:12 PMThe storylines of the science fiction film franchises Alien and Predator have been merged into a single continuity by the release of the films Alien vs. Predator (2004) and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2007). The following is a fictional timeline of events as they unfold in both film series.
2996 BC The Predators arrive on Earth. They teach humans to build pyramids, and are worshipped as gods.
October 10th 2896 BC The Predators return to Earth and begin a hunting ritual in which several humans sacrifice themselves as hosts for Aliens so that the Predators may hunt them as a rite of passage. This ritual continues every hundred years on the 10th of October. The Predators activate their self-destruct mechanisms if overwhelmed by the Aliens, which causes the destruction of some early human civilizations.
Early 18th Century AD One or more Predators visit Earth. Details of the events are unknown, but a Flintlock pistol bearing the inscription "Raphael Adolini 1715" is taken from this era.
1987 AD A Predator lands in Central America and hunts a U.S. Special Forces unit, but is defeated by Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer.
1997 AD A Predator lands in Los Angeles and begins hunting gang members and policemen involved in a drug war, but is defeated by Lieutenant Michael Harrigan.
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004 AD A Predator ship nears Earth, initiating a heat bloom beneath Bouvet Island near Antarctica which is detected by satellites belonging to Weyland Industries.
Sunday, October 10th, 2004 AD A Weyland Industries team led by company head Charles Bishop Weyland discovers a pyramid beneath Bouvet Island, where they are caught in a battle between the Predators and Aliens. Alexa Woods is the only survivor. As the Predator ship departs, an Alien/Predator hybrid creature erupts from the body of a dead Predator.
Thursday, October 14th, 2004 AD The hybrid creature attacks the Predators on board the ship, causing it to crash outside of Gunnison, Colorado. Several facehuggers and the hybrid creature escape, invading the town and creating more Aliens. A lone Predator arrives and fights the Aliens in a battle that ends with the United States government destroying the town with nuclear weapons. A recovered Predator shoulder cannon is delivered to a woman identified as "Ms. Yutani".
2010 AD A mercenary named Royce, alongside 7 other humans are dropped in a game preserve planet by the "Super Predators". They are being hunted by the Predators, being killed off one by one. They would later met a U.S. cavalry soldier named Noland who survived in the planet for years. All 3 Super Predators are killed in the end. Predators
2122 AD The passengers of the deep space mining ship Nostromo, under contract to Weyland-Yutani, are awakened from hypersleep to investigate a signal coming from the moon LV-426. There, one of the crewmembers encounters Alien eggs and a facehugger attaches itself to him. The resulting Alien kills off the crew members until it is defeated by Ellen Ripley.
2179 AD Ripley accompanies a group of United States Colonial Marines aboard the Sulaco to investigate LV-426, after Weyland-Yutani loses contact with a terraforming colony there. They discover that Aliens have overrun the colony and encounter an Alien queen. Ripley, Corporal Dwayne Hicks and the sole surviving colonist, a young girl named Rebecca "Newt" Jorden, are the only survivors after the colony's atmosphere processing station explodes, and enter hypersleep for the return trip to Earth.
2179 AD Several Alien eggs are on board the Sulaco and hatch while Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are in hypersleep. A fire breaks out and the hypersleep pods are ejected in an escape vessel, which crashes on Fiorina 161. Ripley is the only survivor is rescued by the inmates of an all-male prison facility. A facehugger is also aboard the escape vehicle, and an Alien soon attacks the prisoners. Ripley learns that she has an Alien queen gestating inside her, and after defeating the Alien she commits suicide to prevent the Weyland-Yutani corporation from obtaining it.
2356 AD Samples of Ripley's blood are recovered from Fiorina 161.
2379 AD The United Systems Military (USM) clones Ripley aboard the USM Auriga and extracts the Alien queen from her. The Ripley clone shares part of the queen's DNA and has Alien-like abilities.
2381 AD The USM breeds Aliens on board the Auriga for experimentation, which break out and overtake the ship. Ripley and several mercenaries escape while the ship crashes into Earth, destroying the Aliens with it.
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MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 11:26 AMI agree with you Sparty. I watched the first AVP again after about 6 years of ignoring it just about a month or two ago and my opinion changed. I actually throughly enjoyed it as an AVP film/standalone film.
AVPR i'm sorry...just noo
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 11:32 AMI got lots of info for Snorky on just why it will not happen but the biggest thing is how FOX has completely destroyed the whole Space Jockey/Ancient Astro potential plot completely...and unless they reference that Pyramid, AVP is dead as far as the Sott intended Nostromo universe is concerned.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 11:55 AMOkay Sparky answers to your first lot of points...
#1 The Antarctica pyramid has absolutely nothing to do with what we think Prometheus will reveal. The Predators, as shown in the flashback scene as Scar marks himself, came to Earth after humans had become sentient and intelligent, and taught us the ways of civilization and infrastucture, in return asking for hosts for their "coming of age" ritual... Think of it chronologically - the Space Jockeys either sow the seeds of life on Earth or genetically create the human race, then thousands of years later the Predators come along and teach us ancient order and technology. It is possible, although I seriously doubt this will be confirmed in Prometheus that the SJ's and the Pred's may have at one point been cohorts.
#2 I agree, but it could have been a lot better.
#3 The idea, the theory is good but Aliens & Predators in a teen-slasher was never gonna work.
#4 Rather than thinking of it as ancient astronaut, think of Prometheus as ancient astronaut creator and AVP as ancient astronaut teacher.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:08 PMWrong!
Sorry Snorky you are completely wrong and if you do NOT get this I will not explain it until you do...but the bottom line is Ridley cannot reference another Pyramid without blowing his OWN credibility!- The films, both of them have replaced any notion Scott had or still has of The Ancient Astronaut theory wiht .."The Predator" and if you missed this you should go re-watch the two films yourself again. I did, about 3 times each this weekend, and AVP is prolly dead my firend, they can still make another film by the way though, wtf happend to the year 2074 for example, that's another 100 years...time for the Preds to come back to earth and fight again.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 12:18 PMI don't think I follow you there Sparky...
According to what we know about Prometheus and what happens in AVP they can fight nicely together as so...
1. Space Jockeys visit Earth & sow seeds of life or help mankind become intelligent.
2. Space Jockey's leave "something" to guide man to them when the time is right
3. Predators visit Earth & teach humans primitive technology & civil order
4. Humans spread the knowledge and continue to create technology
5. Charles Weyland Bishop dies in Antarctica, true story covered up
6. Peter Weyland discovers the truth, fuels his need to find the gods
7. Antarctica Pyramid not found, destroyed by Predator bomb
8. Peter Weyland discovers the SJ "something" and the directions
9. Prometheus mission launched
Who says Ridley is gonna reference another Pyramid, I have not heard that anywhere.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 12:22 PMAlso I doubt predators would come back in 2104, there is no pyramid left, its most likely been destroyed, and we are well and truely alert to their existence after AVP

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:43 PMOk, I see where you are coming from but I have collected so many reasons why it cannot work and the next one is this...
Dark Horse was given a liscence by FOX to mix the two franchises for the sake of the comics..."Dark Horse" did this first...then FOX braught it al to film knowing full well they had a PYRAMID in it when it was Ridley's intention to have it in the ALIEN film...Scott cannot all of the sudden pretend there is another Pyramid now.
In AVP it is made 100% CLEAR that the ancient Astro's were the PREDATORS which I would bet 50 gabillion dollars... if that's even possible, that SCOTT is incensed by the very notion of it laughs at even the idea of it in general. FOX messed it all up for him man, He cannot in any way join the two asnd still keep his street cred now. I have tons of material gathered while I watched the films again, and aknowedlging all of the AVP universe would mean Scott would also have to accept a "SGT O'Reily" who looks just like Ripley and has a female child the same ag as Newt, and her boyfriend/ love interest "DALLAS"...COME ON MAN...WAKE UP...THIS CAN NEVER EVER BE GIVEN "CANON" STAUS TOO...EVER!!!
ANYWAYS I LOVE YA SNORKY AND i SEE WHAT YOU WANT BUT IMO SCOTT WOULD HAVE BE A COMPLETE IDIOT TO EVEN BOTHER WITH IT ALL...IT'S A MESS QUITE FRANKLY! WILL POST EVERYTHNG I COLLECTED ASAP ... AND KNOW WORRIES...MaYBE I AM WRONG AND HE PUTS IT ALL IN IN SOME MAGICAL WAY THAT MAKES IT WORK BUT REALLY...I AM NOT SEEING IT AT ALL MAN. AND IT WAS WATCHING BOTH FILMS AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES EACH THAT MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO ME.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:49 PMNEXT REASON
THERE ARE 174+ YEARS AT LEAST BETWEEN WEYLANDS DEATH AND THIS TED GUY WHO I AM HEARING IS SUPPOSED OT BE HIS SON, WHICH CANNOT WORK, THE MATH IS WRONG, IT COULD ONLY BE HIS GREAT GRANDSON OR GRANDSON POSSIBLY IF DONE TO PERFECTION

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:51 PMALSO YOUR CHART DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE THE [b]PREDATOR[/b] IS NOW THE CREATURE THAT CAME TO EARTH AND INFLUENCED HUMAN CULTURE...WHICH IS A MASSIVE GAPING HOLE FRM WHICH THERE IS NO ESCAPE SNORKLEBOTTOM

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 12:51 PMThats probably because of the angle you are approaching it from Sparky, LOL.
Regards the pyramid idea, yes it was common knowledge that it was originally intended for Alien, but that was only because it was Dan O'Bannon who had the idea in his script. And it was Dan O'Bannon whole decided to re-use the idea for AVP.
I am 100% confident that Ridley can still make the SJ ancient astronaut creator idea without repeating anything thematically from AVP.
As for the AVPR characters they are of no importance, they are merely pawns caught in the crossfire of a much larger picture.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:55 PMand in answer to your question, if he does not address that exact pyramid in this film, avp is gone forever as Canon. it happened before the launch of Prometheus and the site would have to be the location of THE CLUE TO MAN'S ORIGIN. {iT WAS ALSO CLEARLY NOT DESTROYED, JUST INE PART OF IT WAS- THE HIVE} anything else and AVP is gone. iT HAS TO BE REFERENCED OR IT'S GONE AS CANON.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 12:55 PM[sigh] how can I put this Sparky...
whom would you consider of more importance to your existence - your parents or your school teachers.
in the fictional world of "all this"
the Space Jockey's are our parents, our creators, our gods
whereas
the predators are merely the supply teacher who taught us a few lessons.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:56 PMAVP SHOWS THE FIRST HUMAN CIVILIZATION MANUFACTURING A NEW BREED OF PREDATOR/HUMAN THERE IS NO ESCAPING THIS.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 12:58 PMthere is absolutely no need to mention the pyramid in Prometheus, remember the pyramid is evidence of predators teaching us, the other "something" is the evidence of the SJ's making, creating us.
The Pyramid is Charles Weylands treasure, the "something" is Peter Weyland's.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:00 PMi absolutely love what you just wrote snorky...i love it.
so if you are right and he does it, we have to see both the Predators and the Jockeys in some kind of relationship...?...
I find that idea, absolutely rediculous quite frankly.
But Great stuff you wrote there and I love it man, I agree to disagree with you.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 1:00 PMPredator/human... if you mean a predator and human hybrid I don't recall seeing that and i have the extended edition?

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:03 PMThe "Sacrificial Chamber" was created for this ourppose...watch the films again Snorky.
Incidently that shot may be one of the best in any Alien film ever made, the one of the 7 facehuggers flinging out in slow motion in that Chamber.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 1:03 PMWell thats the thing maybe there is a relationship between the SJ's and the Predators or maybe its just a coincidence that they happened across the same world...
Either they are both working together in some bizarre agenda
or
this converging on earth is what led to a disagreement resulting in the SJ skull in the AVPR ship

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:06 PMto tell ya te truth, I would LOVE to see it happen, I LOVE all of your ideas, and went into this wihta completely oen mind...and discovered you were completely right abutthe timeline, it does work, BUT I just don't see how they can do it and still be serious though. I would take it as a lessoning of credibility. Just gioving CANON staus to DALLAS and O'Reily would make me want to suicide myself If I were Ridley Scott after all his efforts.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 1:06 PMthe sacrificial chamber was used to breed Aliens for the "coming of age" hunt...
facehugger + human = Alien
Predator kills Alien hooray, your all grown up
Alien kills Predator, whoops your dead
there is no predator/human hybrid

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:16 PMI worded it wrong my point is they used HUAMN women for the first hunt...it;s been done, Scott cannot re-write this to mean something new now.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 1:20 PMHuman women is no different than using human men, you still get an Alien ripping through your chest when you get fachugged???

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:26 PMI agree, that was not my point, my point is that if it's been done, Scott cannot do it again, it goes to the HEART of the "AA" theory Snorky. These things, the Predators are clearly representing the "AA" which is unfathomeable to me 100% and completely unfathomeable.
and again that slow mo chest bursting scene in the Chamber may be the best thing filmed in all 8 films if you include both "predator" films.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 1:35 PMThe "Flying Vagina" as it is known by the cast and crew, meh, I still prefer John Hurts myself.
The heart of the AA theory... as in a theory so wide in scope it could be inferred from many, many angles - creators (Prometheus), teachers (AVP), slavedrivers (stargate), farmers, nanny's etc. etc.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:38 PMI agree completely, but would Scott do something, that's already been done...?...THAT IS MY MAIN POINT...IT IS NOT HIM TO DO IT ONCE IT HAS BEEN I FEEL. AND LMAO..."THE FLYING VAGINA"...i love that.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-05-2012 1:42 PMI don't know Sparky thats putting him on a mighty high pedestal...
Westworld - Bladerunner
Saving Private Ryan - Black Hawk Down
Planet of the Vampires - Alien
IMHO Ridley often touches upon that has already been done, but IMO he does it better.
yeah they called it the "Flying Vagina" scene when they got the CGI

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 1:46 PMjust FYI I made so many discoveries Snorky, and another big one is this...in that Chamber the Xenos are hatched...7 of them...and withtin minutes of time in the film, they have matured and are eating the rest of the Crew in another area of the Pyramid. They evolve into full grown Xeno's far too quickly in BOTH films. meanwhile 1 or 2 are still hatching back in the Chamber wiht not all of them bursted yet.
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