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The storylines of the science fiction film franchises Alien and Predator have been merged into a single continuity by the release of the films Alien vs. Predator (2004) and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2007). The following is a fictional timeline of events as they unfold in both film series. 2996 BC The Predators arrive on Earth. They teach humans to build pyramids, and are worshipped as gods. October 10th 2896 BC The Predators return to Earth and begin a hunting ritual in which several humans sacrifice themselves as hosts for Aliens so that the Predators may hunt them as a rite of passage. This ritual continues every hundred years on the 10th of October. The Predators activate their self-destruct mechanisms if overwhelmed by the Aliens, which causes the destruction of some early human civilizations. Early 18th Century AD One or more Predators visit Earth. Details of the events are unknown, but a Flintlock pistol bearing the inscription "Raphael Adolini 1715" is taken from this era. 1987 AD A Predator lands in Central America and hunts a U.S. Special Forces unit, but is defeated by Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer. 1997 AD A Predator lands in Los Angeles and begins hunting gang members and policemen involved in a drug war, but is defeated by Lieutenant Michael Harrigan. Sunday, October 3rd, 2004 AD A Predator ship nears Earth, initiating a heat bloom beneath Bouvet Island near Antarctica which is detected by satellites belonging to Weyland Industries. Sunday, October 10th, 2004 AD A Weyland Industries team led by company head Charles Bishop Weyland discovers a pyramid beneath Bouvet Island, where they are caught in a battle between the Predators and Aliens. Alexa Woods is the only survivor. As the Predator ship departs, an Alien/Predator hybrid creature erupts from the body of a dead Predator. Thursday, October 14th, 2004 AD The hybrid creature attacks the Predators on board the ship, causing it to crash outside of Gunnison, Colorado. Several facehuggers and the hybrid creature escape, invading the town and creating more Aliens. A lone Predator arrives and fights the Aliens in a battle that ends with the United States government destroying the town with nuclear weapons. A recovered Predator shoulder cannon is delivered to a woman identified as "Ms. Yutani". 2010 AD A mercenary named Royce, alongside 7 other humans are dropped in a game preserve planet by the "Super Predators". They are being hunted by the Predators, being killed off one by one. They would later met a U.S. cavalry soldier named Noland who survived in the planet for years. All 3 Super Predators are killed in the end. Predators 2122 AD The passengers of the deep space mining ship Nostromo, under contract to Weyland-Yutani, are awakened from hypersleep to investigate a signal coming from the moon LV-426. There, one of the crewmembers encounters Alien eggs and a facehugger attaches itself to him. The resulting Alien kills off the crew members until it is defeated by Ellen Ripley. 2179 AD Ripley accompanies a group of United States Colonial Marines aboard the Sulaco to investigate LV-426, after Weyland-Yutani loses contact with a terraforming colony there. They discover that Aliens have overrun the colony and encounter an Alien queen. Ripley, Corporal Dwayne Hicks and the sole surviving colonist, a young girl named Rebecca "Newt" Jorden, are the only survivors after the colony's atmosphere processing station explodes, and enter hypersleep for the return trip to Earth. 2179 AD Several Alien eggs are on board the Sulaco and hatch while Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are in hypersleep. A fire breaks out and the hypersleep pods are ejected in an escape vessel, which crashes on Fiorina 161. Ripley is the only survivor is rescued by the inmates of an all-male prison facility. A facehugger is also aboard the escape vehicle, and an Alien soon attacks the prisoners. Ripley learns that she has an Alien queen gestating inside her, and after defeating the Alien she commits suicide to prevent the Weyland-Yutani corporation from obtaining it. 2356 AD Samples of Ripley's blood are recovered from Fiorina 161. 2379 AD The United Systems Military (USM) clones Ripley aboard the USM Auriga and extracts the Alien queen from her. The Ripley clone shares part of the queen's DNA and has Alien-like abilities. 2381 AD The USM breeds Aliens on board the Auriga for experimentation, which break out and overtake the ship. Ripley and several mercenaries escape while the ship crashes into Earth, destroying the Aliens with it.
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I do agree with you guys' statements about the official releases of the movies being canon. Whatever extras we get, be they directors' cuts or assembly cuts, are mere bonuses, as cool as they are. Imagine if one of the unused drafts of Alien 3 was canon. I'm talking about the script which dictates that Alien 3 would be set on a planet where monks live, residing in wooden temples of sorts, and Ripley experiences hallucinations of the alien taunting her (like holding Newt's head and shaking it to her). Wicked stuff that, today, would be awesome, but I guess at the time they didn't think it was adequate for a movie. ):
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KUDOS "CD55811"...very very well stated.
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[quote]I still think that Prometheus is going to reboot some of the canon in the current Alien franchise. If most people are going to see this as unacceptable, then they can hope that Prometheus starts its own universe, consisting chronologically as Prometheus and Alien.[/quote] & I like this idea a Lot CD55811
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Both dates or any other I think the best way to word it would be... 2381 (I don't get the two year gap) - Using samples of Ripleys blood the USM, after seven previous attempts, successfully clone Ripley... Blah, blah, blah... Regards the rebooting of the CANON... do not ignore that the TED 2023, if referred to in Prometheus will be classed as CANON, and it refers to AVP and Aliens.

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Tru dat. To tell ya the truth for me it;s nothing more than a marketing ploy by Scott to garner interest and support and I have absolutely NO FAITH what so ever in any of it being any part or related in any way to the film.
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We will find out in, what, three months now. You're probably right unless we see one of the crew watching it?

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lmao...yeeeaaaa "that would be somethin'"-spoken Like Sir Paul McCartney
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While I can't recall where I read it, and I'll try to find it........It's my understanding that the "Director's Cut" of 'Alien' was Fox asking Scott to rework it for the re-release and is not really a director's cut, not his vision, so to speak.
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Ok...as "Snorklebottom" requested of me I took the time and examined the entire timline {made this thread first on Friday} of the Alien/AVP Universe for the sole purpose of determining if this whole thing works and what level if any integrity it could maintain in being depicted as such in Prometheus. My answer for those of you who do not want to read what I discovered and just get to the conslusions is IT CANNOT WORK. But NOT AT ALL for the reasons I thought it could not work. Snorklebottom is RIGHT, the timline they made does in fact make senseand could have worked for the pupose of what we are discussing, but sadly because of FOX's obvious greed and what I like to call "Rush To Stupidity" or "RTS" factor if you will. There are also one or two startleing revelations I uncovered. #1- We will know very quickly into the first section of the film Prometheus whether or not the AVP universe has or will continue to have any credibility what so ever. The reason is the "RTS" factor here by FOX. In the first film these {insert your own expletive here} attacked full bang on and without talking to Ridley Scott at all, the central theme of the "Ancient Astronaut" theory by having Chalres Bishop Weyland unveil the discovery of a Pyramid 200 feet below an abandoned whaling station in Antartica. Thus now, if the CLUE TO MANKIND's ORIGIN...does NOT INVOLVE the SAME Pyramid...EVERYTHING IN THE AVP FILMS...BOTH OF THEM...BECOMES INSTANTLY INVALID in the Ridley Scott intended Nostromo Universe. #2-"Alien Versus Predator" {watchng it again all these years later} is in fact a well crafted, fast moving, intersting and engadging, completely entertaining film to watch. #3- "Aliens Versus Predator - Requiem" is a Disgrace ! #4-Back to Alien Versus Predator-> If The Clue does not involve the Pyramid, It is a direct message from Ridley Scott to every single Alien Fan Out there that the AVP iniverse is Invalid but also to the suits at FOX that he does not aknowledge any of it. It's Ridley saying you out the character of Charles Bishop Weyland in it and messsed with it's timeline, the timline Bishop was in, so now I have to make a decision whether to aknowledge it or not. If he ignores it, it invalidates everything in both films. he has been forced by FOX now to play his hand in that regard. The subject matter of the two films revolves around the Ancient Astonaut" theory, which FOX has now turned into something completely different...that is...that the Space Jockey...does not come from the race of Aliens that originaly may have influenced Earth cuklture but rather FOX's "Predator" does. Big hudge frikking oversight born out of greed by the suits at FOX IMO. There's a lot more but I am work...I will finish this during lunch today. Took a lot of notes folks...watch out.
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Ok...as "Snorklebottom" requested of me I took the time and examined the entire timline {made this thread first on Friday} of the Alien/AVP Universe for the sole purpose of determining if this whole thing works and what level if any integrity it could maintain in being depicted as such in Prometheus. My answer for those of you who do not want to read what I discovered and just get to the conslusions is IT CANNOT WORK. But NOT AT ALL for the reasons I thought it could not work. Snorklebottom is RIGHT, the timline they made does in fact make senseand could have worked for the pupose of what we are discussing, but sadly because of FOX's obvious greed and what I like to call "Rush To Stupidity" or "RTS" factor if you will. There are also one or two startleing revelations I uncovered. #1- We will know very quickly into the first section of the film Prometheus whether or not the AVP universe has or will continue to have any credibility what so ever. The reason is the "RTS" factor here by FOX. In the first film these {insert your own expletive here} attacked full bang on and without talking to Ridley Scott at all, the central theme of the "Ancient Astronaut" theory by having Chalres Bishop Weyland unveil the discovery of a Pyramid 200 feet below an abandoned whaling station in Antartica. Thus now, if the CLUE TO MANKIND's ORIGIN...does NOT INVOLVE the SAME Pyramid...EVERYTHING IN THE AVP FILMS...BOTH OF THEM...BECOMES INSTANTLY INVALID in the Ridley Scott intended Nostromo Universe. #2-"Alien Versus Predator" {watchng it again all these years later} is in fact a well crafted, fast moving, intersting and engadging, completely entertaining film to watch. #3- "Aliens Versus Predator - Requiem" is a Disgrace ! #4-Back to Alien Versus Predator-> If The Clue does not involve the Pyramid, It is a direct message from Ridley Scott to every single Alien Fan Out there that the AVP iniverse is Invalid but also to the suits at FOX that he does not aknowledge any of it. It's Ridley saying you out the character of Charles Bishop Weyland in it and messsed with it's timeline, the timline Bishop was in, so now I have to make a decision whether to aknowledge it or not. If he ignores it, it invalidates everything in both films. he has been forced by FOX now to play his hand in that regard. The subject matter of the two films revolves around the Ancient Astonaut" theory, which FOX has now turned into something completely different...that is...that the Space Jockey...does not come from the race of Aliens that originaly may have influenced Earth cuklture but rather FOX's "Predator" does. Big huge frikking oversight born out of greed by the suits at FOX IMO. Got a lot more but wil post it during lunch...Watch Out I took a lot of notes on this and I got this thing Pegged."
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you there Snorky your icon is there on the bottom...check it out man...I got lots for you bro...gonna fill the rest in at lunch
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I agree with you Sparty. I watched the first AVP again after about 6 years of ignoring it just about a month or two ago and my opinion changed. I actually throughly enjoyed it as an AVP film/standalone film. AVPR i'm sorry...just noo
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I got lots of info for Snorky on just why it will not happen but the biggest thing is how FOX has completely destroyed the whole Space Jockey/Ancient Astro potential plot completely...and unless they reference that Pyramid, AVP is dead as far as the Sott intended Nostromo universe is concerned.
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Okay Sparky answers to your first lot of points... #1 The Antarctica pyramid has absolutely nothing to do with what we think Prometheus will reveal. The Predators, as shown in the flashback scene as Scar marks himself, came to Earth after humans had become sentient and intelligent, and taught us the ways of civilization and infrastucture, in return asking for hosts for their "coming of age" ritual... Think of it chronologically - the Space Jockeys either sow the seeds of life on Earth or genetically create the human race, then thousands of years later the Predators come along and teach us ancient order and technology. It is possible, although I seriously doubt this will be confirmed in Prometheus that the SJ's and the Pred's may have at one point been cohorts. #2 I agree, but it could have been a lot better. #3 The idea, the theory is good but Aliens & Predators in a teen-slasher was never gonna work. #4 Rather than thinking of it as ancient astronaut, think of Prometheus as ancient astronaut creator and AVP as ancient astronaut teacher.

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Wrong! Sorry Snorky you are completely wrong and if you do NOT get this I will not explain it until you do...but the bottom line is Ridley cannot reference another Pyramid without blowing his OWN credibility!- The films, both of them have replaced any notion Scott had or still has of The Ancient Astronaut theory wiht .."The Predator" and if you missed this you should go re-watch the two films yourself again. I did, about 3 times each this weekend, and AVP is prolly dead my firend, they can still make another film by the way though, wtf happend to the year 2074 for example, that's another 100 years...time for the Preds to come back to earth and fight again.
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I don't think I follow you there Sparky... According to what we know about Prometheus and what happens in AVP they can fight nicely together as so... 1. Space Jockeys visit Earth & sow seeds of life or help mankind become intelligent. 2. Space Jockey's leave "something" to guide man to them when the time is right 3. Predators visit Earth & teach humans primitive technology & civil order 4. Humans spread the knowledge and continue to create technology 5. Charles Weyland Bishop dies in Antarctica, true story covered up 6. Peter Weyland discovers the truth, fuels his need to find the gods 7. Antarctica Pyramid not found, destroyed by Predator bomb 8. Peter Weyland discovers the SJ "something" and the directions 9. Prometheus mission launched Who says Ridley is gonna reference another Pyramid, I have not heard that anywhere.

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Also I doubt predators would come back in 2104, there is no pyramid left, its most likely been destroyed, and we are well and truely alert to their existence after AVP

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tony scott would you believe.
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lmao- see that Snorky hahahahahahaha that's awesome
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lol

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