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Assumptions vs. Possibility

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Famished

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 2:41 AM
I haven't read any leaked scripts, or anything that would inform me of what could be the truth, but it seems that a lot of assumptions are being tossed around as the likely plot points in the film. Perhaps, as part of the marketing of the film, the images in the trailers are meant to point toward certain things simply as smokescreen for the true plot and film experience. It would go a long way toward explaining some of the things we have seen, but also would be more in line to the overall secrecy that has be carried out so well to this point. I am reading a lot of deep theories, but none that venture toward that bigger step of the truly profound. Maybe Prometheus does not mean to be that thought provoking , but I'm hedging toward the other notion, that it will likely leave audiences guessing and talking about various implications and ambiguity deep into the Summer. [b][u]Assumptions:[/u][/b] [b]#1 Space Jockeys are the bad guys.[/b] Not sure this is the truth, but it seems to be widely speculated. I don't have an opposing theory, but it is possible that the crew of Prometheus stirs their own trouble. I wouldn't put it past possibility that just "showing up" is the problem, so much as what they do after showing up. Perhaps there is more involved with the introduction of various technology. Perhaps the string of creation is not being looked upon very deeply just yet. It seems that there might be something recursive going on, that there is more to WY developing android life than has been talked about thus far. I mean, if there is more to the marketing pieces than lip service to this invention. Evolution is likely one of the targets: Man-->Android-->Jockey-->Xeno That doesn't all fit perfectly, but it could. The theme being that we are the creators of our own destruction, and by jumps of evolution, destroy our own origins. Creation, evolution, destruction. The jockeys could be the good guys (us). [b]#2 Prometheus kamikazee[/b] It's not a done deal that this is what happens. There are other possibilities which include the reverse of this action, accident, or sabotage. Again, no argument and the razor answer is the likely one, but it all could be a very nice misdirection. ...TBC [b][u]Questions:[/u][/b] * What of all the nanoclouds? It's easy to dismiss as debris, but these swarms, foglets, whatever, seem to be in a lot of shots. *What is going on in the shot where a crew member (David) is seen running into, dissolving in, something yet undefined? Perhaps this is David entering the star room, or matrix of the structure (ship?), but it also demands some speculation that hasn't been discussed. *Are we sure that this is the first probe sent to this planet? Seems WY might have been interested in the use of nanobot tech. Longshot. And what about the possibility that they have been flirting with cephalopods? Yeah, that is a weird notion to interject here, but anyone that has read Stephen Baxter's [i]Manifold Time[/i] knows what I'm talking about. Just trying to stir up the discussion. Cheers.
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Biomechanic

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 2:56 AM
My attempt at profound: [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1978]A Creation Story[/url] Nanoclouds: [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1974]Ecophagy of LV-426[/url] The dissolving person is a point cloud recreation from the 3d scanner balls like seen here: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXLvUY2Rz2w]Real Time 3D face[/url] Due to non reflectivity some points are lost making parts of the reconstruction look invisible. Noise and outliers in the data cause some points to dance.

Ghost Solitare

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 3:00 AM
Simply brilliant, elegant, and thought provoking. If the crew of Prometheus were complosed of people with your mindset I would speculate that things would have turned out much differently. I hate to attribute the downward turn of events to the act of a single person being selfish on a stellar scale that dooms the entire expedition. Even worse if it's a rehash of the android was responsible for the entire chain of events. The scene from the trailer narrated by Theron regarding the death of a king makes me wonder if the engineers evacuated Earth due to contamination by something they designed. Something which possibly wiped them out, we'll see soon enough.

Famished

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 3:29 AM
@Biomechanic-- Yes, absolutely, your nanocloud thread is exactly what I'm speculating. So sorry I missed it. This is exactly why Prometheus is not calling itself a prequel--it needs the liberty to discard a lot of the tech in the films made 30+ years ago. With the advances in tech and science fiction in general, they needed the ability to maneuver the story in this way. Yeah, something like a 3D scanner visual is what I didn't consider. I guess I got caught up thinking he was running into a cloud, not entirely sure how to interpret what I was seeing. In any case, I completely buy in with your theory. Evolution of a nano life form seeking biology/life (see also the possible character arc of David), but combined with the biologic humans moving back in the other direction. Trying to tie it tight, but it's making sense to me. @Ghost-- Nice. Going that one step further back before humans were on Earth, is definite ground for speculation. A recursive evolution. That is definitely profound. I would also hate to see something as trite as human greed altering the plot. Not only have we been there, but it makes the story far smaller. I'd prefer to believe it is the unwitting blend of technologies. Small beginnings.

Ghost Solitare

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 4:13 AM
Bits of information in the timeline on the Weyland site scare me. I'll piece it together and then all of you can draw your own conclusions. Weyland Industries earns patent number 11,280,599 for Method and Apparatus for a device that enhances the capacity of an extraterrestrial planetary environment to support life; effectively the first fully-automated atmospheric processor. This patent is expected to make our founder’s famous boast a reality: “There are other worlds than this one, and if there is no air to breathe, we will simply have to make it.” August 9 2029 Heliades Weyland Industries introduces the first FTL-capable SEV (space exploration vehicle). January 17, 2034 Discovery of Archeron LV-426 Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century. May 14, 2039 Portable Decontamination Pack Weyland introduces unique expedition security apparatus able to decontaminate indoor and outdoor environments. Apparatus mines surrounding air for flammable compounds, making it ultra light-weight as well as self-replenishing. July 22, 2059 Creepy

JC

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 6:56 AM
August 9, 2029. Isn't that the date that the first Terminator (T-800, Model Arnold 1) is sent back in time to 1984 on a mission to eliminate Sarah Conner? :) More proof that the movies after Alien are still considered part of the franchise cannon - Archeron. That name wasn't mentioned until the Aliens novel.

Famished

MemberOvomorphMar-25-2012 6:26 AM
"franchise cannon" is maleable to whatever might be needed. They can use bits, and discard bits. It's the only way to do things and still remain free to be creative. In the words of the filmmakers: "not a prequel... some shared DNA." I'm bouncing back here to continue with some of the ideas raised by nanocloud terraforming. In essence, I'm theorizing that Weyland's considered interest in this project is to see if his creation experiment is a success. In this theory, David8 is the prototype and model for what is hoped to be formed by WY's nanoreplicators. Weyland is hoping to populate the planet with his creation by means of nanobot engineers--THE engineers. Somewhere in that plan, the nanobuilders had to adapt, skewed the plan, and instead of creating replicas of David8, they created something else--call it the distant cousins of David8, or even his brothers. Consider then, how this might link the two. Two forms of biomachine that share so much, but perhaps differ in very important ways. One, raised by humans to think in human terms. The other, raised as machine, and notably lacking the one thing that David8 has acquired in this regard--compassion. As the star children, maybe they view Earth as their birthright. That's half formed, but a lot of it fits in my mind. Notably, the nanotech angle that is right there, but keeps getting pushed aside for other ideas. [b]"Big things have small beginnings."[/b] "A king has his reign, and then he dies..." king=humans. Fairly obvious, but further clue into the central theme of this film. I'm going to continue with my hypothesis that they are telling a recursive story. The human face object is essentially a statue of the nanocreature God---us---what they were meant to be. We search for our beginnings, they search for theirs.
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