The Space Jockey

Changing topic perhaps, but has anyone noticed that the picture of the SJ sitting in the chair is clearly NOT an SJ - the being is way too small, shoulders not big enough, arms too short. Maybe it's David, maybe it's Shaw?

I had originally posted this blurb under another topic but thought I should but it here. Geez... all the conflicting ideas being flashed about on this can really send you for a loop. I have completely changed my whole thought behind the premise here now and I am wondering if it IS really more closely related to our Prometheus myth so to speak, but not so much that its MAN this is going to be punished, but the JOCKEYS! -------------------------------------------------------------------- I had always been envisioning this as it is the SPACE JOCKEY's who are the Masters and those who had been seeding life throughtout the stars with a grand design behind it all. But... the perfect image of a human head erected as if it is a God to have homage paid to it... In what appears to be a Temple no less, designed around the idea of the creation of life itself?? And this talk of "Blue Man Group" characters (hahaha) and that are maybe "mutating" crew members??? And now heaps of what appear to be SJ bodies... decaptiated as if "executed"?? Could it be that... - The "Blue" beings are not mutating "anything", but are in fact the ENGINEERS themselves, in their natural forms?? - That they do in fact actually see themselves as God's or God-like beings, and we were in in effect created in their image so to speak? But what of the Space Jockey? The Jockey's are clearly NOT us, or the Statue image. - Is the SJ nothing more than a SERVANT of the "God's"... destined to do their bidding and nothing more? Is the SJ nothing more than a convenient large "beast of burden" for the Engineers as most slaves in history were?? And has the SJ ANGERED the "God's" by providing a secret of the "God's" to us, man? and that the SJ's are now going to be punished for what they have done? - Is the future "Xeno" nothing more than something now crafted by the ENGINEERS to torment the Jockey's? To literally "tear out their livers from now until the end of time" for providing us (Man) with the secret of "fire" so so to speak? Geebus, I better stop thinking about this and just wait for the damn movie! Hahaha! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ((That was a paste of what I said in another thread)). Further... I am now thinking that the JOCKEY is literally nothing more than a "Delivery Man" for the ENGINEERS. Nothing more than a SLAVE or at the very least, an indentured servant.. An intergalactic UPS driver if you will...but a VERY DISGRUNTLED one at that. It could simply be that the actual ENGINEERS, while powerful and extremely intelligent (obviously), could in fact NOT actually travel great distances through space for whatever reason? The SJ could simply be nothing more than one the Engineer's creations that was well suited to this task. (Big, tuff & robust) Or maybe, the egomanical, full of hubris Engineers felt "Delivery" Duty to be a lowly task best assigned to less evolved underlings (The Jockeys)... Hey, just like a corporate boss on this planet having his secretary actually go pick up his dry cleaning or go out and by his wifes birthday gift while he goes golfing or visit his mistress... Hahaha.

@CanadaPhil I kind of think that the big blue guys, engineers and space jockey's are one in the same. However, I like what you touched on about how these beings are the ones being punished. Perhaps, these being stole power, and their "Gods" are punishing them, and we just happen to show up when the s#*t hits the fan. It was touched on in another thread about the mural clearly showing the Xeno. Perhaps you are right, maybe the "Xenos were crafted by the gods to torment the jockeys," or, what if the Xenos are the gods. Xenos are the perfect life form, so what if these giant humanoid beings stole something from them?

Hey Corey, I actually dont think the Xeno's are in any way the God's, but a perhaps sort of a last ditch creation of theirs as a "fail safe" if you know what I mean. Also, just to be clear, WE, the HUMANS are also going to punished... But I think its the SPACE JOCKEY that is the literal "Prometheus" in the story here. After all, Prometheus was a TITAN, not a man. I think I saw your other thread, and I think you had made a comment about the Engineers creating "artificial life" and that we will be stealing their secret. But I think It is WE HUMANS (in the movie mean) that have actually harnessed the power to create life artificially (DAVID the Android). The Engineers dont do it that way... They do it the molecular level with organic matter, not synthetic.. at least I think thats the idea. Now imagine if our arrival there is a COMPLETE SHOCK to them, not only because beings sort of in their own image have travelled across the Stars, AND are the creators of life as well as they are (so to speak). If they formerly thought of THEMSELVES as the Gods (and it appears they do), this would probably completely freak the Sheeeeet out of them!. Any imagine if WE were never supposed to have existed! That somehow some small essence of the God's themselves was taken without their knowledge and seeded on a world very far away. Well just how would that have happened?... The "Space Jockey's" were responsible! and they have to now be punished by the ENGINEERS for what they have done.. Of course, we have to perish as well... u know.. just because. :)

I would not say that David is in that Chair, whats odd is the Bald Person walking to the Chair has a Suit that looks very Organic and nothing like the Crews, it apears that a being with simular/same suit terrifies Shaw in one scene as she is on the floor. At the begining of the Trailer their is a Pale Bald Being, who looks very Human Looking, i think this is the same being that we see in other scenes and the Space Jockey.

with regards to the whole Gods idea, i think this movie is hinting at the whole Ancient Astronaught Idea of Creation. That is that these are not Gods as per say, but a Advanced Space Traveling Race of Giant Humans. i.e Titans, Anunaki, Nephlim. The Movie shows that Star Chart apeared in many Ancient Civiliations, inc Egyption, Summarian etc. The Movie shows a Summerian Tablet and Egyptian one. If you look at the actual Summarian and Egyptian Tablets that depict the Gods giving Man some Technology you will notice that these Gods look just like Man only about double the height say 10-12ft. Now looking at that, and then what Prometheus actually is (Titan God who created Man and Gave us our First peice of Technology) you can see somewhat how the Movies Story ties in with those ideas. Hence they went to seek our Creation/Begining tag line.

Hey CanadaPhil, It's funny how one can post from thread to thread, and hearing other's theories completely changes our original theories. You are right, we HAVE harnessed the power to create beings artificially. Perhaps we didn't steal their secret, but in our evolution we figured part of it out, creating life, even if it's artificial. We obviously at this point haven't figured out how to do it on a molecular level. According to the trailer though, humans have had interactions with these beings before because of the wall paintings depicting giant beings pointing to the stars. So, if the jockeys did create us, I don't think it was by accident. But perhaps we weren't meant to get that far. When we arrive, they probably ARE shocked. They know that they will be punished for creating us, and we in turn will be punished. And, if the Xenos are the fail safe, maybe they think that they can somehow unleash them on humanity, destroy their human creation to get back in their Gods favor?

On to the whole Punishment.... Maybe the Space Jockey/s where in some kind of hibernation, and woken by the Promethues Crew? I dont by that. I also dont buy the Space Jockeys wishing to Destroy us because thats what their plans was... unless they are as above hibernating? I would assume that the Crew find by using the clues from Ancient Star Maps, a World that the Space Jockeys either inhabit or colonized or maybe use as a Laboratory or Warehouse. They enter and they then start to find and mess about with stuff that the Space Jockeys do not want Mankind to know, the Organisms in those Pods could be a Bio Weapon or something that can be used to create/manipulate life. This is knowledge and Technology the Space Jockeys can not allow to get into our hands, or the Space Jockeys Little Secret they dont want man kind to know about. They could destroy Prometheus, but then Earth would know already about the clues that led Prometheus Mission, For Example we could fail with a Probe to say the Moon Europa, that does not meen we would never send another out in future. So the Jockeys know that Mankind could potentially send more missions to their System and so when the cats out of the bag its time to wipe out and start again. So say simular to say if we was talking about a Real God or Aliens looking at Mankind after we made Nukes and thinking simular to (oh the childs found the box of matches) that Humans should be wipped out as they have a powerfull Weapon they should never have had.

I think that the SJ in the image for this forum isnt an SJ at all i think is one of the crew after a change. The body seems too small in relation to the head compared to the suits in the corridor ( the one with Shaw in the foreground ) and also there are almost no correlation's to the original mummified one in Alien, the arms seem way too short. The shoulder seems a little like the human space suits and also the clip of the mutated crew member jumping off the ATV onto another of the crew shows him in an all brown coloured suit....at least it looks a lot more brown than blue.

A movie like this must seem like hardcore pornography to that "WEIRDO HAIRDO" Guy on History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" Hey, wait a minute... While the hell is Ancient Aliens on the HISTORY CHANNEL?? Good grief.

I'm not even going to attempt to guess at the whole story line of the Space Jockeys. Dan O'Bannon was the only guy that could give us some insight to them, and that's [i]if[/i] he had ever thought about it to begin with! I'll let Ridley run with it... Anything else is just fans letting their imaginations get away from themselves, which could ultimately lead to major disappointment in the story that's about to be presented to them. I'm walking into that theater with a clean slate and letting Mr. Scott take me for a ride in a universe I sincerely love!

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. The Olympians are the secret inner circle of Freemasonry who are building a new hybrid man by combining ancient Alien(Annunaki and Nephilim) DNA with Human DNA. They are the secret society within the false secret society of Freemasonry which knows not of the inner circle yet unknowingly protects and shields it. The secret is the process of fully activating the DNA of humans with the DNA of the ancient aliens described in Genesis 6:4 to become mighty immortal men of renown. The real Masonic craft is genetic engineering and knowledge of the ancient aliens who dominated the Earth in those days. Their resurrection through man is coming and they will ally themselves with an alien species to dominate and exploit the world to the end.

Y'know i was watching the trailer earlier the space jockey...rises up in his chair....and what appears to be a set of ribs close around him.... Now say for instance for whatever reason it was actually one of our mutated crew that was actually in that chair.....then that leaves the enigma of....how did they appear that they were exploded outwards..in Alien...and how come (and im supprised no one has asked this question yet?) There was corrossion from acid i.e alien blood.... It can't be that a chestbuster escaped, because how do you explain the blood/acid corrosion? Im thinking we have the creature the ancestor of the alien.....and the jockey in the chair.... shoots a gun of some kind from what appears to be the ribs ...hit the aliens grandaddy..and melts a big hole in the floor obviously the jocvkey is stuck their then......what do you think?

Interesting.

Why would a technologically advanced race bother erecting a huge representation of a human face abord their spacecraft? That seems more like the act of an individual with an unhealthy obsession (grudge?) than part of any rational plan. Assuming the space jockey isn't just sneaking around unnoticed for the first half of the movie, it must have long dormant periods or something like that. Something happened on Earth that it isn't happy about, but it's only active for short periods separated by ages of inactivity. It's had to resort to laying a trap using the bio/genetic engineering skills in evidence in the construction of the ship itself. But it hasn't had any human specimens to work with, so the biological weapon it came up with is iterative - it doesn't achieve its most destructive form until after it encounters and adapts to its host.

Slowboat...I think it's more likely the monolithic head is of our Blue guy's race...i.e...the SpaceJockies...... [img]http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l546/aliennaire/Prometheus/blue_guy1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/7324079/img/prometheus/baldman.png[/img] [img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/28139/5_High_Res_Images_From_Ridley_Scott_Prometheus_What_Up_With_The_Giant_Head_1322757945.jpg[/img] See the resemblance....?

Don't mind me while I double up this post... As a weapon of revenge, the xenomorph is too virulent. Look at the close calls the various crews have had throughout the franchise - and that's with some of them actively trying to return it to Earth. Clearly, a human crew can't be relied upon to carry the xenomorph back to their home planet. The Space Jockey waits to be found, either to obtain specimens, or to learn Earth's location, or both... but it must ultimately make the delivery itself.

Good call, craigamore. Now you've got me wondering why such a scientifically-savvy franchise would incorporate a fully humanoid non-human.

I'm reserving my judgement for after I see it....there's no way to qualify this idea's quality or the film's for that matter until I see it.

No it couldn't be ..it must be that the seeding of the human race was meant for later use by the Xenoforms ,mto be harnessed at alter time in the future to be crossbred, but the Xenophorms discovered by the SJ must have threatened that from happening , as it was a life form created by the SJ for some thre purpose that evolved into something unforeseen on that planet , something unforeseen and frightening, perhaps on the planet inhabited by the Xenophorms some meteor or other disaster altered the species that became dominantnp on that planet and when the SJ came back to the planet to check on the seeding it discovered something completely different than what it intended when it seeded various different planets ... So the Xenophorms that unfortunately by some freak ecological or galactic disaster ( meteor, radiation, causing its evolytion asndominant species) became the dominant species not only need a host but also want to establish their dominance on all planets and wipe out the seeding of humanoid life forms establshed by the Space Jockey ~~~ Space Jockey probably looking to wipe out their "mistake" -- the Xenoforms but was attacked and destroyed , hence the distress warning message from the first Alien film to stay away....it's a story of evolution "what if" competing with a more powerful intelligent life form

[size=100][/size] All of you are forgetting a crucial part of the Prometheus mythology Prometheus was a Titan, one of the precursors of the Olympians. Prometheus took pity on the primitive humans and stole "Fire" from the Olympians and gave it to the humans. As a result, he was punished. Trailer says that same writing was found in ancient ruins around the world. This most likely implies that whatever extraterrestrial came to Earth, gave us "fire"; technology, intelligence, wisdom, logic etc. However, as a result of this, something happened to the extraterrestrial "Prometheus"s and led to their downfall.

I'm now thinking, based on the flying saucer and veiny guy in the trailer, that there's no such thing as the Space Jockey "race" - just one human who in ancient times was abducted by or infiltrated an alien ship and acquired/was infected with advanced biotechnology. He became godlike in his intelligence and physical prowess, grew the derelict spaceship, and single-handedly built all of human civilization, ruling over us as something more than human but not quite a god. The xenomorph is either a well-intentioned project to bring the rest of us to his level gone horribly wrong, or his attempt to transform humanity into an unstoppable invasion force with which to dominate the galaxy. Either way, when the alien race dropped in to check on Earth centuries later, they were not super pumped about his actions, and imprisoned him on the planet he chose as a base of operations/staging area for invasion. Ancient humans were never aware of his diabolical plans for them, and thought he was just a really cool guy, a Titan, who brought them civilization and technology. They thought it was a great injustice that the gods stepped in to punish him, and they left lots of positive reviews on cave walls and temples, not to mention starting the oral history of the Prometheus myth.

My take on it is that our civilisation has finally reached a level that is too advanced for the Space Jockey's liking. We have become too advanced, and after thousands of years are now a direct threat to their God-like status and their "#1 position" in the universe. The cave paintings were a litmus test for us - once our civilisation could intepret them and have the ability to visit, that was the 'trigger point' to put in place its eradication program for us. Our ability to terraform, to produce artificial life, to travel/navigate through space - as Weyland said "we are the Gods now" - and the SJ's don't like that one bit. So following Prometheus' arrival and nosing around, the SJ's make a bee-line for Earth with a bioweapon cache (virus, mutagens, xenomorphs etc) specifically tailored to wipe us out, whilst the SJ's clean up later and pick the carcass of what is left of our civilisation (biodiversity, natural resources, infrastructure etc.) Scott has hinted that he has a rough script/storyboard for Part II, so this film doesn't necessarily have to explain anything about the ship on LV-426. This is not an Alien prequel, it simply provides the setting for how the SJ's and their penchant for bioweaponry fits in.

I think the Space Jockey is a biomechanical interface suit that connects the Engineer to the ship. What if the scene we are shown is reversed footage? The "telescope" comes out of the floor, the big Engineer guy sits in it, and then the suit then forms around him - interfacing him with the ship.

Consider this: SJs (Engineers) - a higly evolved race of alien beings (scientists/geneticists) who collect DNA samples of alien species from throughout the galaxy and store them in chambers located in this planetoid. One chamber for each species. Each chamber has a representation of the species it belongs to, hence the Human-like face carved in stone. When prometheus crew arrives the facilities have long been abandoned by SJs due to biohazard danger (outbreak?), explains mummified remains seen in trailer (engineers that died from infection from one of the dna samples?) Prometheus crew unaware of the fact, become infected as well with different results. One mutates into veiny guy (guess is P. weyland). He has his own agenda, tries to take alien ship to earth (the Titan stealing fire from the Gods to give it to humanity). The rest of the crew try to stop him, crash Prometheus against alien ship as it takes off. Shaw gets infected by her partner (crossbreeding), gives birth to human/alien hybrid (first face hugger?) Face hugger impregnates another member of crew, first Xeno queen is born, lays its eggs inside the crashed alien ship.

1. They find the temple with the cylinders. 2. They get "infected" by some DNA-changing Substance 3. Shaw gets "pregnant" by her friend (who has unfortunatelly also been infected) 4. The "baby" is born but is somekind of "wired octopus-beeing" 5. The octopus changes into engineer 6. The species died long ago, but "waited" for hosts to come to bring them back to life 7. now they are back to life, and humans are hunted as there can only be "one god" voila - maybe, maybe not. Maybe its much simpler than this...

What I think is that this follows close to the story of newt in the book series and the comics and I mean that as in the elephantine race or "space jockeys" are Terra formers of dead planets so a bit god like. If anyone has read the books they know that earth is dead and another elephantine tells newt he plans to Terra form earth into a living planet again but I digress, I think the goo is the Terra forming stuff and thats why the humans want it more to the point Wayland wants it but as always something goes wrong alien appears reeks havoc and the elephantine in prometheus become the the very same one in alien one and the crew dont make it and Wayland covers it up and later sticks a colony there so he can get his wish. Samples and live specimens, anyone else thinking the same?

Here's another theory: -SJs true purpose is to colonize other planets capable of sustaining life. -To this purpose they created a bio-weapon (the xenos) to be deployed on inhabited worlds and wipe out the indigenous species. -After the species are wiped out they terraform those planets to suit their needs. - Prometheus crew finds out about this and tries to prevent earth from suffering the same fate. In the first ‘ Alien’ Kane finds a chamber inside the derelict ship where hundreds of eggs are kept in storage, therefore the eggs are part of the ship's cargo and were being transported somewhere. There’s a thin mist covering the eggs that reacts to Kane when crossed , kind of like a security system. The eggs appear preserved and the huggers inside dormant. When Kane touches one of the eggs he starts some kind of reaction, the egg opens and the hugger attacks Kane. It's like the eggs ‘activate’ when they come in contact with other life forms. It’s safe to assume they pose a threat even to the SJ’s themselves, hence this “containment” area with the security measures in place. The derelict ship was probably en route to another world when something went wrong that caused it to crash land on LV-426. In could be a different ship/planet/SJ than the ones in Prometheus. LV-426 is a barren rock compared to this planet - Ash even refers to its atmosphere as ‘primordial’ – with severe weather patterns and probably uninhabitable.

The problem with that last theory is that THIS is NOT the same ship that we see in Alien. There is a definite difference in the "Star Chamber" layout. I think the eggs in the first film were not supposed to be there. They infected the Humanoid, burst out of his chest and the Space Jockey suit he was interfaced with, and then laid those eggs. The Aliens as we know them are the product of the Humanoids and the Alien DNA, and then a human with the Humanoid/Alien DNA. But if the Alien DNA infects us directly ... the outcome would be a lesser form of the Aliens.

well, as the alien spaceship in the trailer will be shot by prometheus and crashes onto a planet (LV..?), it's kind of logic that - from the alien planet, someone flies away with the alien spaceship - towards earth?? - if target is earth, someone wants to stop this - prometheus follows the ship and distroys it on LV.. So to the timeline... - humans combine information of wallpaintings all over the world to find the destination of their gods/makers - humans go there because of curiosity and higher goals of weyland corporation like power, technology, knowledge - there they find the temple with the ampules and do some research - as they arrive, they are beeing infected and "change" to something, maybe the Alien Civilisation is gone long time ago and the temple was there to "wait" for some created civilization to come, get infected and the alien race grows again? - as there comes to a conflict (obviously... this is a scifi-action-thriller..hehe) vickers fraction wants to steal technology for weyland interests - mutated crew member (who is now the Spacejokey) wants revenge and navigates starship of aliens towards earth to destroy mankind - prometheus follows and destroys alien starhip - on the lonely planet, after some time alien bursts through chest of space jokey and puts the eggs into the chamber we know from alien 1 -