Prometheus Revealed?

::I have all/most of the pieces of the jigsaw, but its just a hairs breadth out of reach, I know if I can just find the common thread I can figure this out... Snorkelbottom, time travel has been a big topic of conversation in the threads. Could time be a thread you seek?

I just made a massive observation/connection The Brownish/Blackish Goo...is Present On the King That Dies ! Right at the start of the new Trailer he is exmaning his own hand and that's the exact same Goo That we see on Shaw and on board Prometheus. So the same fate that fell upon prometheus fell upon that King and his kingdom !!! A Ha... A Clue Sherlock...

Since I began responding to a few posts here (not quite a week ago) I have been speculating that there are in fact 2 very different races at odds here (not including us). I think there has been a hell of a lot of misdirection in the Trailers. I dont think Ridley is completely stupid in that he is going to give away the story in a two minute bite. I do believe that there is a MASTER race if you will and one which are like indentured servants or outright SLAVE's, but I just cant put my finger on what the SJ is yet. But it would seem incredibly lame if after 33 years the answer to that mystical dead thing in Alien being just BLUE GUY that looks like James Arness in 1951's THE THING. Sorry.. I just think that would just be a completely LAZY bit a writing on this productions part. I think Ridley is goint to try for a complete mind screw here. And then you have Giger making a comment along the lines of .... "There is going to be something new and it will be VERY GRAUSLICH!"... Ummm OK.. It must take something completely freaky for someone like Giger saying its going to be very horrible.

I found that common thread...Its The Goo !!!

@ fanboy79 - Dead Jockey's pic added to OP @ odmanout - An umbilical cord attached to the "thing" and a suddenly inflated belly (leaked trailer) suggest pregnancy. The Vickers thing was mentioned (and has been discussed, a lot), its probably a ruse to lead us to suspect that she's the second android, thus I suspect she isn't. @ Sparky - When? Who'd I slap? and Warning/Invitation is what we trying to figure out, could prove important. @ prom_queen - might not be evil, but the trailer seems to suggest that at the very least they have ill intentions towards us, but why?

SNORKY WROTE-->[quote]So why would the UFO guys invite us to/warn us from a SJ planet.[/quote] BINGO MAN YOU NAILED IT!!! YOU B-SLAPPED IT... BECAUSE THE SAME FATE BEFELL THJEIR KING !!! ONE OF THOSE RACES WAS GOOD, THE HUMAN KING PREDECESSOR RACE, AND ONE IS PURE TERRFORMING EVIL...THE ENGINEERS/SPACE JOCKEYS/BLUE GUYS

Think of it this way. They keep saying this is going to be an epic. Having your cast of alien beings being a big blue guy and a couple of infectious organisms doesn't seem very epic or terrifying to me (in horror film terms). But throw in something that can cut Space Jockey heads off. Maybe many somethings. Why is there a hologram of a blue guy running? Is he running around causing havoc (like planting bombs or something), or is he running from something? If you were Ridley Scott, and you had access to whatever creature designers you want, 150 million dollars, and H R freaking Giger, would you settle for a bald blue guy and a worm going into some guys costume?

Beautiful post "Biehn_Bandit" man, we got this Snorky !!!

^^^^ Further to above, it you add to that the pick of the headless body and the gateway with the Temple Head in the background, this almost looks like some form of "LAST STAND" on these creatures parts. There appears to be a bashed in doorway in the pic of the headless jockey discovery. I think the pick of the pile of jockeys in the OP are part of this same sequence.. That that hallway or corridor is just to the left of the headless body scene.

@ freeze him - the time travel element came about for two reasons - 1) peoples misunderstanding of the theoretical effects of FTL space travel, and 2) the "it looks fossilized" comment by Dallas in Alien. FTL will not cause travel back in time, and as Ridley has stated and shown, what we saw in Alien was a decayed suit, not the skeletal remains of a long dead creature (hence Dallas' assumption it was fossilized). Also I think there's enough going on here, time travel would needlessly confuse the story even further. @ Sparky - Nah, not the goo. If you look at the "king" in the trailer look at the top/back of his head, whats going on there then. @Canadaphil - a possibility, could the UFO guy's and the SJ's been in an alliance, if so why send us to a world inhabited by the SJ's?

That is the big question.. but it could be that somewhere along the line, one species eclipsed the other. The invitation is from around 100,000 years in the past?? The ones who became the "overloards" were not really aware of us, until we unwittingly happened along.

Ok, throw in mutated crew members too. Still not very epic or terrifying to a movie goer in 2012. Anyone want to challenge my theory about collective sub-conscious the artists being responsible for the dots? Am I over looking something that would make this impractical?

I did not want to post me whole take just yet.. I was going to wait until just before the premiere, but I think the wow factor of this movie is most probably going to be that the freaky life cycles depicted in Gigers artwork are not just going to be the basis of simply a "look" that the art director decided to pick just for the heck of it back in 79, but those surreal depictions are actually going to come to life in this flick. Seriously, I think we have all been missing the clues.. Some of the freaky elements, new eels, whatever, are taken directly from Gigers art. I dont think anyone can deny that. AND.... hint, hint... Study Gigers print "Hieroglyphics" for a bit, and see if you have a lightbulb moment of sorts.

@ canadaphil - good point, the invitation/warning is old. A possibility, but the temples are SJ in origin. @ Biehn_Bandit - the Epic, I agree, wheres the EPIC in all this!

@ canadaphil - I'm a big fan of Giger's art, no light bulb there. His designs are def still a factor of the mythology, but not the key. @ Biehn_Bandit - genetic memory is a possibility, and would fit, but the question is why? why have the memory or be given instructions to visit/avoid a SJ controlled planet?

"Snorky" he has The Goo all over him... and IMO... it's what Killed him, they {His Predecessor Race} try to warn us {Thus the time travel element} - {it's not us - it's that predecessor race that can time travel}and fail, 'cause we misinterpret the entire matter and take/steal some some of the vials which in turn creates the scenerio designed to end the existence of earth as we know it, except The Company, which sees all through Vicker's and David's eyes arranges... for that delivery of Earth's certain demise to be intercepted. What we are left with is a rotted Dereiict laid Baron on LV-426...One dead delivery boy... And a Pack of Vials turned to "Xeno-Eggs" beneath it !!!

first obvious one... The FEMALE form IS THE 'DERELICT' or any SJ vessel for that matter. Actually, Im gonna stop there.. Hahaha... Gonna wait until I finalize all my thoughts before I lay it out completely. My main issue to resolve was that my assumptions were based on the XENO as we think of it not quite existing yet, but now Im not so sure... Im am now even leaning towards the idea that the "new" Overlords that have not been seen yet are in FACT THE "PROTO" XENOMORPHS.. hmmmmmmmmmmm.

I am in the camp of there being two races. I also believe that the trailers are misleading. In looking at the cave paintings, this one in particular -[img]http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg499/betterduckjmg/Screenshot2012-03-26at13341PM.png[/img] it appears these 'giants' have been recorded by early humans, and revered as Gods. We might conclude that they are benevolent creatures. The plot is said to use Greek mythology as inspiration. As most of us know, the original Gods (the Titans) and the new Gods (the Olympians) have it out, and the Zeus led Olympians seize power. Suppose the SJ's were the original Titans, and the Blues were the Olympians. This might explain the carnage found by the Prometheus crew, and the dead bodies and the severed head that they come across. One of Weyland's patents is the device that can reactivate brain activity, postmortem. Suppose the Prometheus crew uses this to activate the SJ head that is found, and subsequently get the 'low down' on what has been going on. The Blues may not even be on that planet when Prometheus arrives. The humans stick there nose where it doesn't belong, perhaps releasing something that was contained (maybe SJ DNA), much like Hercules releasing Prometheus from the rock, the Blues get pissed, and decide to cut us humans down a few notches.

@ Sparky - your reaching now, the "king" looks primitive, and whats infecting him doesn't seem to be hurting him. But I do believe this guy is important, but look at the features on his head (top left of frame). @ canadaphil - female form in lifecycle mural for Alien = Derelict. Yep, too obvious I think we can agree, but go on... I suspect the Aliens are old, remember the Mural how can it depict a creature not yet in existence, but is it a "don not enter" sign or a "hail the Xenomorph" icon?

I talked about 2 races days ago lol. Plus.....we cant really tell if that pic IS a pile of dead Space Jockeys.......referring to the creature from the original Alien.....which i think forget it we aint gonna see one cos Ridley sold us out with blue stupid men wearing an elephant suit. I know the scene where you think Shaw gets either inserted (oops sounds porn like) or gives birth to the squid thing. I can say that in the Prometheus Trailer 2 HD that we see somebodys knees in a glass pod with a grapple kind of instrument go zooming down to the feet end.....knees raised up as if it is indeed a birth scene......next cut is torwards head end where it reveals shaws face with dangly tentacles in front of her face......then next cut is the pod opening with a definite organism in the grapple. I should point out that there is also a scene of Shaw waking up on a table then attacking a scientist in a bio hazard suit with a blunt object.

"reaching"...?...seriously man, that, with all due respect, I think this means one thing, you're way off...and I think I got it pretty tight, I guess time will tell...no disrespect at all, just disagree with your disagreeing with me their... and calling it "reaching"...I think there is Direct evidence I am right!!!

@ Sparky - no offence was intended, in the "king" scene in the trailer the atmosphere, the ambience seems to be one of wonder not of death, we have only seen this guy for a couple of seconds, which suggests importance to me, but he also looks primitive... my guess is the UFO did something to him that changed him beneficially in some way, but why?

so what trailer shows an umbilical cord/swelling belly? I either missed it or haven't seen this trailer yet.

The squidbilly is like a proto facehugger. We haven't seen it, but I think it is reasonable to assume that THAT "facesquidbilly" is then going to attach itself to another crewmembers face... Not sure which one. A Chestburst of that crewmember is then going to result in the "gray EEL".. (Dont all chestbursts from the Alien stories we now initially result in a slimy eel/or serpent like thing with teeth?) However, what THAT "gray EEL" will quickly grow into is another thing... Could it be a new BLUE GUY, but a new BLUE GUY who is a little shorter in stature to what we think it should really be... because it gestated in a man???

I am in the camp of two races as well. If the film is based on Greek mythology as it is said to be, than two God types seems feasible. The Titans (the originals) and the Olympians (the newbies) have it out, with the Olympians seizing power. I think the Prometheus crew stumble upon the aftermath of [b]their[/b] war when they go exploring. They find corpses of what I believe to the be SJ's, and also a head. We see the head being examined. One of Weyland's patents is the ability to reactivate brain function, postmortem. I think they use this on the SJ head, and then discovered what happened. They proceed to stick there nose in deeper, and perhaps release the SJ DNA (much like Hercules releasing Prometheus from the rock) that was contained or trapped by the Blues. But here's the kicker. Maybe the SJ's aren't benevolent. Maybe them being trapped was a good thing. Maybe the Blue guys winning was a good thing. Maybe, this is where the line "We were wrong, we were so wrong..." comes from. The Prometheus crew feels like there doing the right thing, the moral thing by trying to help this trapped being, but they were wrong, so wrong.And I do think the Blues are pissed that we interfered and want to teach us a lesson. And then Hell really breaks loose.

@ odmanout - in the new trailer an umbilical cord can be seen extending from Shaws belly to the "thing" held in the clamps, and the swelling belly can be seen in the leaked trailer (if you can still find it).

^^^^ I like that. (BetterDucks comment)

@ Betterducks - Titans and Gods, a def possibility, falters out a little towards the end IMO but it fits with the races idea, I think the liver element has an analogy also. @ canadaphil - def don't think we gonna see a proto-xeno in this, Ridley wants something new, something fresh, but that tentacle/tail that hits the door seems the same color as the blue guy!

Yeah.. I really dont think there are going to be ANY Xeno's as we think of them from 79.. but the we will see the DNA as I think Ridley said... by that I think he means a process of what we are sort of familiar with... - An initial face capture/implantation/gestation in LIVING host* - A "birth" via violent escape resulting in death of host. - That serpent like offspring growing VERY rapidly into what its intended lifeform is. * I put an asterisk on that for a Reason. You need a FULLY LIVING HOST for this process. DAVID cannot act as a host in the true sense... Nor do I think DAVID can fully morph into a BLUE MEANIE as some are saying.... I think thats nonsense. However, I think DAVID will play a pivotal role in messing with the bioformer that results in Shaw getting "infected" so to speak.

@ Snorky...Could be...I just think the black stuff running all the way up the right side of his body and arm are too revealing. I am trying to keep it simple and follow a logical progression...maybe I am wrong and that's not the same goo but I doubt it. Think the little pre-amble makes it clear he dies, and I think in that image he is determining what is wrong with himself, if you examine it closely enough. Just My humble opinion, I agree to disagree. I love ya bro, just saying, I'm sticking with my theory.

I think betterduck is on to something with the head examination theory. Perhaps I am not looking closely enough at the Weyland timeline. Maybe other clues are there.

^^^^ Thats what I liked about it. That is obviously something meant for humans, but I wonder. I think the inference was that the process could only work on someone/thing that had been placed in some kind of stasis but who knows?

I agree, i think the weyland site has more clues than we think it does. @ Sparky - "A king has his reign, and then he dies" - possibly... the UFO guy's had their time then died at the hands of the SJ's whom in turn died at the hands of whatevers in that temple, and we are next, maybe.

Speaking of the timeline.. I will bring up this point that I mentioned in other topics again.... There was a prior space expedition with Weylands FIRST FTL capable science vessel, the HELIADES over 30 years prior !!! What became of that?? I think that notation is VERY intriguing... given that I think I have seen some posts saying that PROMETHEUS actually finds a cocooned HUMAN !!?!?!?

Snorkelbottom i believe the markings left on the wall were of a peaceful nature, but in the thousands of years since they were written some other beings landed on their planet killing them off. That or they are trying to create another species then the new lifeforms take over. Of the two im thinking the first scenario. The race that created life on earth being the craft over the water fall, the derelict being the blue dudes, the first ship being our creators obviously know where earth is and that could explane why the blue guy waited till humans came before heading off to earth Also has anyone touched on the point that no one might be even close to what the storyline could be? From how many minutes of trailers there are compared to hours of film time?? its fun guessing tho just saying

In all honesty I have said that we could all be completely wrong many many times we are all just speculating wildly...great point man...sorry if my passion for this stuff is overwhelming or put you off in any way. Having too much fun and taking too many quick liberties lately I guess.

didn't mean it in a harsh way just saying there's a world (lv 426) of possibilities :)

Another way to look at the possible scope of this thing: What if in the trailers for 2001:ASO they only showed scenes from the David-HAL act? That would be a considerable amount of crucial story they're not revealing. What if in Prometheus trailers we are mostly seeing scenes from one act, the crew vs. danger act? The disc over the waterfall could be a whole other act that takes place in pre-history; the blue guy and the jockey chair could be another act that takes place a few years after the Prometheus.

Biehn_Bandit i get the different time zones idea. What if the derelict seen in alien is different from the one in prometheus? the fossilized one seen in alien could of crashed thousands of years ago when something burst through his chest. other SJ's have to follow on a clean up mission to sort out the mess he left. then somehow whatever being is left in the end of prometheus lays its eggs in the old derelict?

I never understood why so many people think that this guy in the trailer is saying "It's in my throat." Think about it.