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Snorkelbottom's Prometheus Review

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Rating - 3.5 out of 5 [u]Summary[/u] I never had any blown up expectations for this movie, and although I knew pretty much everything that happened before watching it I watched the movie with an open mind, viewing it as objectively as possible. Yet upon seeing the Deacon burst out of the Engineer signalling the end of the movie I said to myself "Good film, but wheres the rest of it?" That is why I have rated this film what I have. Don't get me wrong the visuals are great, the setting is great, I like most of the characters, the premise, the set up, but it feels like half, maybe two thirds of a film. I know some people are now thinking "that's because they left it open for a sequel", but it is not in that sense that it feels somewhat lacking. But before we get to that I'll mention the highlights... [u]A Good Film...[/u] The film has many "trademark" Ridley Scott sweeping and grand establishing shots showing the beauty of the locations and the sets, reminiscent of the shot of Tyrell Tower and the dead pilot in Alien. Ridley has always known how to frame a good shot. [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap1.jpg[/img] IMO one of if not the best scene was David in the orrery, I physically sat forward, curious to get a peek into the world, the behaviour of the Engineers. The we have Michael Fassbenders performance, which is IMO oscar worthy, he walks the line between innocence, ignorance and malice all at the same time. Idris Elba is as usual on form, as are Noomi Rapace and Charlize Theron. One performance that surprised me was that of Marshall Logan Green, I genuinely had a lump in my throat when Holloway sacrificied himself to Vickers flamethrower. Janek, Chance and Ravels Sacrifice also placed a lump in my throat, the characters having being introduced just enough to like them all. Even Guy Pearce surprised me playing the old and greedy "man that would be king", reminding me a little of Sean Connery's awesome performance in the film with that name. Sean Harris and Rafe Spall get my thumbs up as the comic relief, although in the shadow of Parker and Brett, the characters of Fifield and Milburn, especially Fifield made me laugh and helped relieve the tension with lines like "Bullshit" (To Shaws ascertations of the Engineers in the briefing), "I love rocks" and of course smoking pot through his suits respirator. Overall a good film, but being a fan of Ridley's work and a fan of the franchise and a fan of the film industry in general there are some, quite big flaws... [u]...But Far From What Was Promised[/u] Most, if not all of us are fans of the original Alien, a film that despite Ridleys lack of experience ticked 9/10 of all the boxes of a classic. The film played out the suspense, the anticipation, the fear, the terror, the dread, the tension... You were kept on the edge of your seat. Not only that but the characters were fleshed out, believable, you associated with them, got time to know them, didn't want them to die. Unfortunately in this respect Prometheus fails... Remember when we all argued that we wanted a R rated film, instead of a PG-13. Well, it looks like Fox said to Ridley "If you want an R rating the movie will need to be around the 2 hour mark, but if you want a 3 hour epic its gotta be PG-13". Well I would have prefered 3 hours over the 2 hours we got. Too many cuts were made in the editing room, and the only two scenes (Fifields helmet and Shaws operation) that constitute the R rating could have been re-cut without losing too much of their impact. Most of the scenes play out too quickly, with little time to gather breath and little chance to focus on aspects of the plot and the relationship dynamics of the characters. I personally feel as though the film would have benefited greatly from a lot of the material that was edited out with more focus and more time spent on key scenes... [b]Ancient Earth[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/lotsofengineers.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/engineers_openingscene_prometheus.jpg[/img] [i]Of course we all know this scene was altered.[/i] As soon as the film started I realised too much had been cut - the other Engineers, the Elder Engineer, the voice over. Now while the voice over may or may not have worked I felt this scene was too short, too rushed. I would have prefered to have seen the Sacrificial Engineer walk through the others before being "blessed" by the Elder and handed the cup before walking towards the (distant, to give the others chance to get onboard their ship) waterfall before seeing what we saw in the films intro. It would have been more majestic, more mysterious, more attention grabbing. [b]Scotland[/b] Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the place, I'm half Scottish myself, but the opening scene with Shaw and Holloway unearthing another pictogram was completely unnecessary. The Pictogram is mentioned moments later, in detail in the mission debriefing scene and their relationship is hinted at many times. No point in this scene whatsoever, I would have rather lost this scene and got more of the others. [b]Character Building[/b] One of the good points of the first two Alien films were the "breakfast" scenes, were all the characters where gathered together and jested, joked and bantered. We got a sense of who everyone was, what the group dynamic was. It gives us the audience a chance to associate with the main characters. Although we did get a version of this scene in Prometheus it was too short. Personally I would have prefered that the Prometheus land maybe at night, maybe during a storm, giving us time to get to know the characters more and delaying the reveal of the temples. [b]The Ampule Chamber[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap35.jpg[/img] [i]Notice the cup where the green crystal was in the theatrical realease[/i] I really liked this scene but felt we didn't get enough time to take it all in. They enter, look around and rush out. This scene could have been used to add much mystery and many questions. Ultimately I would have prefered it if we had more coverage, more of a build up to each of the components - the urns, the head, the xeno-mural, the ceiling murals. Also I would have prefered it if they had left the cup in front of the xeno-mural - the green crystal makes no sense and we never see it again, whereas the cup would have added to the puzzle of the contents of the urns. [b]Mutant Fifield[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap93.jpg[/img] [i]Notice in the theatrical release Weyland, Shaw and Ford (in the background) were not present[/i] My main problem with this aspect of the story was the "point". Janek sees Fifields camera outside the ship, they open the door he kills 3-5 people, gets run over and burnt to death, all in the space of 2 minutes. Why? what purpose does it serve other than to kill of a few characters, characters of which we were never even introduced to. Those that watched all the trailers will recall that two of the crew shooting at Mutant Fifield were doing so with Weyland, Shaw and Ford behind them. Yet in the release Weyland, Shaw and Ford were not present. It is my belief that the scene with Mutant Fifield was originally scripted to happen later on when Weyland was to be escorted to the Last Engineer, and I suspect it was Shaw that reversed over Fifield before janek torched him. I believe that original idea probably would have worked better, as it would have added a greater sense of threat to the moment, and would have help solidify the bond between Janek and Shaw needed for Janeks sacrifice at the end. If this scene had been left alone and given a little more screen time it would have been more menacing, more threatening, more important to the narrative. [b]Shaw vs Engineer[/b] [img]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ocWha8V6yDY/0.jpg[/img] [i]Notice that we never saw this in the theatrical release[/i] My problem with this scene is pace. Normally Ridley plays out the suspense, the threat, but as with most of the film this isn't the case... David contacts Shaw, informs her the Engineer is coming, Engineer is already there, charges at Shaw, trilobite released and Shaw escapes. Wheres the suspense, the threat, the menace. IMO, the scene should have played out like this... ...after Davids warning Shaw waits anxiously for the Engineer before he charges in through the only entrance, she screams at him and swings the axe, he blocks it, knocks it aside, charges at her and throws her across the room and against the door to the med-pod room. Shaw sees the Trilobites tentacle slam against the window before being thrown away from the door by the Engineer, his face twisted with anger. Winded Shaw reaches for the axe, as the Engineer towers over her menacingly. The Engineer grabs Shaw by the neck and lifts her high, she struggles to breathe and drops the axe as the Engineer slams her against the med-pod room door, slowly crushing the life out of her. Shaw fighting to breathe, to survive strains her arm towards the panel at the side of the door (drag that bit out before...). Shaw strains for the green button and it opens, the Trilobite grabbing the Engineer... ...Something like that would have been more satisfying, more tense and more entertaining that what we got. I could go on, with more examples of scenes that should have been allowed to play out longer, but I think my point is clear. Too many cuts were made to this film to shoehorn it into a 2 hour R-rated Blockbuster, instead of a 3 hour PG-13 Epic, an epic of which we were promised but which Ridley failed to deliver because he wanted to give the fans what they wanted, not what they needed. [u]Final Words[/u] There you have it, IMO Prometheus is good film that could have been a great film if they'd just left if alone in the editing room, but as a result the theatrical version just doesn't have the scope, the scale or the tension that was promised and that one what expect to be at the core of the film. Hopefully the Directors Cut will return the movie to its former glory, and if it does I'll gladly add to my score by 1 but as it stands this film only warrants a 3.5 out of 5.

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Yer Im with you on most of it - 3 out of 5 for me...some very strange decisions made in the film...I too reckon it could get better - directors cut a 2nd part / virals etc. etc.
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I almost totally agree snorky ...it miss something and i think a good editing ( and a longer runtime ) will add only a .5 to the score
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Spot on review Snorklebottom, 3 hours would have made all the difference! I've seen the film 3 times now & I always leave the cinema wanting more. :-)

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3hr=epicness...... totally agreed!
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Agree on all counts, Snorkelbottom. I just wonder if when Scott says "this is essentially his director's cut" (to paraphrase), he's saying so because he was basically forced into this version by the studio. And even though he's Ridley Scott, he can't tell a studio to go pound sand and he'll do what he wants, after all they are funding the movie and he probably still wants to work on more films after this one (studios have been known to blackball directors who don't do as they're told). I think of the prequel 'The Thing' and how many parts of what the director wanted to do were cut (character building, a more ambiguous but bleak ending more in line with the 1982 version, more practical effects) because of the studio. I understand it's a business, but I do get frustrated with movies when they feel like they're missing something that the director would gladly have in, yet aren't due to what appears to be because of the meddling of the studio.
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Hi Snorks: Great review man. I also scored it as a 3.5 in my review. And you basically nailed it pretty good. Did you find any other screen oddities like the one when David 8 opens the Door and no one seems to make anything of the Giant Head except himself? Sweet
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That was extremely comprehensive. Thanks for sharing and great review to boot. I am waiting till next week to see it in 3D and for a second viewing... Will see how I feel about it then. Not all of Ridley's movies are master pieces but then who does.
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Thanks for the review snorke. I am glad that I didn't watched this on IMAX or on theaters. DVD here ya go.
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@Snorkelbottom - a review I can get on board with that isn't drooling all over itself in lust for more RS genius to paint the screen! I think you're far too generous though with 3.5, and while I agree with "most" of your points I'm rating at 2 out of 5.
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@snork, spot on, pretty much exactly what I said. It needed a longer running time, etc. It was a good movie, but not in any way the masterpiece some are claiming it is. I gave a generous 7/10 in my review. About Shaw and the Engineer, someone here posted that Ridley cut that scene because when she hits him with the axe it shows his weakness and the SJ should be seen as all powerful beings. I also noticed some strange edits, like the mural having a sacrificial cup on it and not the green crystal. Here-->[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7872]Strange post-production edits; SJ Sacrificial cups changed to giant green crystals.[/url] As far as what the directors cut will contain, I am very hopeful because Ridley has a long history of changing his movies for the better, be it through visual or musical edits. For example, people today love Blade Runner, but the version most people have seen is nothing like the original release.

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Excellent review Snorky. That's exactly how I feel. And I have to complement you on the number of things that no one else seemed to notice; the re-edit of Fifield and such. Brilliant.
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Great review Snorky. Everything you said I agreed with. Like Svanya, I gave it a generous 7/10 and Im also hoping Ridley makes a better cut like he usually does.
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Well Snorky that is pretty much same as how i viewed the movie. I know i upset a certain Mod on here with my review, but due to my writing style maybe they never read my views word for word as i came to the same conclusion as you plus 2 other problems. Extra Problem 1..... The Hype, the movie was hyped up, not only because of being Ridley Scotts first venture into Sci Fi for nearly 30 years and the Epics that was Alien and Blade Runner but also the fact the movie looked set to ask some questions left from Alien, which it does in who was the race who was in the Pilot Chair of the Derelict. Now the bar was raised high from Alien and Blade Runner and after the Alien Universe seemed to get more weaker with each Movie, it needed something really special to match or surpass Alien. Thats not Ridleys fault, i mean look at ET another true classic movie and Steven Spielberg is a great Director but should even he try and do a Sequel well there are a lot more chances he would end up failing to improve upon ET, at the risk of Damaging the Original. The Thing 2011 had a lot to live up to with The 1982 Thing and Star Wars EP1-3 to the Orginal Trilogy. So i guess the Hype and Bar raised by Alien and Blade Runner and hopefully fans wanting some answers to Alien, meant this movie had a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF HYPE and EXPECTATION. After taking time to reflect and come back down to Earth and go see Prometheus a 2nd time i could take the movie on its own Merits and avoid trying to compare it to its expectations. So Problem 1 was no real fault, as the task was a tough one. Problem 2..... I felt some of the Characters behaved out of fashion to how it seemed they was going to be portrayed, so the movie had some problems with Characters and odd Cheesy Moment..... some i could live with such as how Milburn reacted to Hammerpede (sometimes excitement can overide other emotions and awareness of danger), and I thought the Chance and Ravel moment at the end joining their Captain and settle the bed in the after life was Cheesy but you know it kind of fitted. But there are some areas i felt was poorly done and the one that stood out was Vickers.... we had her portrayed as a Cool, Cold and Calm Corperative Figure. But while i understand Janek Flirted with her, if felt the answer she gave to when he asked (ARE YOU A ROBOT)... She should have said.... Well i am off to my Room and you will never find out! I also felt that under the circumstances a heroic captain (Janek) would have been more concerned with two members of his crew stuck in the temple as opposed to flirting with Vickers. Apart from those, yes i agree with Snorky.... To me the movie needed 3 years to detail and allow the story to be given justice. It felt to me like the pace was fine up until after Shaw and Holloway got in on..... after that scene and about the 1 hour mark the rest of the movie seemed rushed and i said some scenes looked like they had been cut at random.

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I liked the movie... Bang on Snorkelbottom
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I would give it 4 out of 5
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I would give it a 4 out of 5. I never like seeing scenes of a movie before I watch it. So I was never expecting to see scenes that werent there. It makes you question things that you probably wouldnt have questioned in the first place.
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Snorkelbottom’s review is ok. I agree with it. Having said that, there’s clear that Prometheus misses much on many levels. And as Alien, leaves a throat with many unanswered questions rushing out. :P But I feel like this state is being done purposely as it’s usual with movies expecting sequels. But because we’re at the reviewing chapter, I’d like to add one of my concerns. We were presented with imagery and hints to the great Engineers’ civilization. But not one single about their weaponry. Dealing in bio-engineering at that scale and purpose, the Jockeys should’ve had one hell of a defensive system in terms of containment of dangerous situations including weapons. As it is, they were presented quite “naked” if you know what I mean. Upon taking off for instance, that Juggernaut could’ve blown Prometheus sky high and be done with her. Especially when the general idea was that the SJs were on a humanity “punishment” track. Still, a good movie. I just hope they won’t ridicule the sequel.
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Wow thats a pretty good review there mate:) i quite enjoyed reading it very in depth and in sighful:)
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I see photos here that didn't appeared in the movie (Spain) i hope i'm wrong. Anyway i think this is a great movie, as a scientist i really like when things are treated with realism. Aliens can be a subproduct of engineering experiments, due to biological war, due to extrem capitalism, uncontroled nanotech or whatever, the thing is that life fights against life without exception, creators of any kind see their creation not as their kids, but as robots, ants or slaves. Sad but beautiful.

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