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TheNextLV426

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 6:38 AM
I enjoy all the plot ideas here but think we are being too literal with some of the things we see in the trailers. For example, a king has his reign and then he dies doesn’t mean we’ll encounter a king. It could be a referral to a species being dominant one day and history the next. The phrase is like saying every dog has his day, or 15 minutes of fame. Because the movie is called Prometheus doesn’t mean that it’s based on ancient Greek mythology any more than Red Dwarf features small red people. Also, RS has gone to great lengths to distance himself from Aliens 3 and 4 because of their silly plot lines, even so far as to have them ruled non cannon. I would be surprised if after declaring a movie about alien cloning (ie resurrection) as fan fiction if he goes down the route of time travel, ancient atlanteans, Weyland being an SJ, androids evolving in to xenos etc. I’m not dissing the theories that are posted as they make great reading but I think they are wide of the mark. I think the movie will be set within believable realistic parameters that all audiences, particular the older generation like me who grew up with the film will believe and not on a way out there sci-fi premise. Having said that, with my luck the I will be completely wrong and the film will be about an ancient time travelling xenomorph from Atlantis called Prometheus who becomes lost in time following a time travel experiment, temporarily taking the places of other people to put right what once went wrong and hoping that each leap will be the leap home.
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WhyDontTheyFreezeHim

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:24 AM
Agreed. And Red Dwarf FTW!

Gareth

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:29 AM
I think when Ridley said it shares DNA with Alien he was telling it like it is. The DNA of the crew leads to the formation of the Alien. Also, why does the writer keep saying the Nostromo was a mining ship and the crew were miners? It was a commercial towing ship that had a petrolium refinery in tow.

RickK

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:34 AM
RE: Why the writer keeps referring to the nostromo crew as "Miners" : Because the writer's probably not really a fan. Which sometimes can be a good thing. Just look at what Courtney Solomon did for Dungeons & Dragons

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:36 AM
I keep coming back since a day ago or so to Fassbenders new interview statement... [quote]“['Prometheus' is] basically about trying to find out if there was intervention in the birth of civilisation on planet Earth by other beings, which we come to know as Engineers, and whether they had a master plan in mind for us… [Each] person has got their own agenda on that ship and it’s each a very individual agenda. Some people are there for the pay. Other people are there to get answers. Other people are there to hopefully attain some sort of secret. Others are there in somewhat of a spite journey. You’ve got all these collective relationships, individuals and motivations and that’s what makes quite intriguing even before the s**t hits the fan.”[/quote]

Gareth

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:39 AM
Scott also stated at the Q AND A when asked if we would see earlier versions of creatures previously seen that they wish Fassbender was there as he would be ideal. Makes you think David will evolve. It teases this with the finger prick and blood.

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:42 AM
here's a link where you can read the quotes everyone made in their entirety... [url=http://screenrant.com/prometheus-cast-crew-themes-interviews-sandy-163243/2/]NewCrewQuotes[/url]

want-to-see-prometheusNOW!

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:47 AM
It's hard to say what is really going to take place in the film, but I will say this. I personally like the idea of having an alien being (the blue guy) that is human looking. To me, that is believable. Who's to say the microbes that we and other species are made of aren't floating somewhere else out there and have reached other planets. It's a possibility that the microbes brought to are planet are everywhere in the universe and that on other planets life that, if not exactly but similar to species on earth, has developed. I could be wrong, I think there is at least a possibility. One way to confirm perhaps is to study frozen microbes in space on asteroids, etc., if you can find them, or get soil samples from other planets. But he's on the right track with the blue guy, that's if he is a genuine alien life form and not a mutated crew member transformed into a space jockey. If he turns out just to be a mutated member of the Prometheus crew, I will be so disappointed. That is too formulaic. We have already seen a human being exploited to create a full fledged alien being. To me that is a cheap recycling of what he did in Alien. Also, it seems too unlikely that the space jockey discovered in 'Alien' was once a mutated human being if it has any ties whatsoever to that film. That's like Anakin being born on tatooine. What are the chances? (Let Lucas' prequel mistakes be a warning to you Ridley). Besides that, many have concluded from the trailer that the mutated guy or the slug going into someone's suit transforms into the blue guy. That just seems too predictable to me or discernible to me from the trailer. I don't think Ridley would have shown those scenes if he felt it would easily give away the story. There has to be more going on. But I could be wrong. I want to see Ridley's take on an actual intelligent alien life form that is already there before we get there. If my expectations are betrayed, hopefully he has something in the film that can make up for that, so I can come out of the theater a happy camper.

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:54 AM
[quote]If he turns out just to be a mutated member of the Prometheus crew, I will be so disappointed[/quote] I agree.

TheNextLV426

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:55 AM
@Rickk When RS says shares DNA with Alien, I take that to mean it’s a similar type of film. Similar as in claustrophobic, scary scenes, etc, unlike Aliens with people running around with guns on a bug hunt. I don’t take it literal to mean that the crews physical DNA is used to make a xeno. Its always interesting to see how other people interrupt things

belladonna

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 7:57 AM
i so did not just see a quantum leap reference in the first post....... "oh boy!"
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Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:02 AM
@TheNextLV-426... I do. I think that is EXACTLY what he means! The relaitionship between the two films will not be based on what we think a Xeno typically looks like but rather what it looks like as it develops into the one we are used to seeing from Alien. The Link between the two films will be that this thing is what eventually becomes that xeno we are used to...even if we do to get to see something that looks pretty near what we are used to at the end of the film somehow... which is what I still suspect the last 8 minutes are going to be about... tying the whole thing into what happened PRIOR to him getting into it...in that Chamber 33+ years ago where/when we first explored it with Kane.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:10 AM
My interpretation of Ridley's "DNA" comment is simply that... We are going to recognize a PROCESS that we have come to understand in the Alien movies.. - Violent attached and forced impregnation by an "organism"? that is meant soley as a means of tranferring a fertile zygote (whatever) into some form of LIVING host. - Violent "birth" following a gestation of a new lifeform within that "host", thereby KILLING the host. - Rapid Growth following "birth" into the intended NEW lifeform which has taken on a few of the traits of its "host" Its that simple folks... 1979 Xeno is not quite there yet. Also, the cherry on the top is that people familiar with Alien RECOGNIZE the contruction characteristics of the Alien craft.. IE: Oh wow, that kinds looks the "Derelict". Thats it folks... That is enough of a tie-in that provides plenty of room for a second feature film... And if that second film NEVER happens, that is enough of a tie in that future audiences will in the minds create a link between THAT and the opening scenes of 1979's Alien.

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:11 AM
Yeah, Ive always thought the RS quote of Prometheus having Alien DNA as some sort of blatant hint that Prometheus has....alien/xeno DNA lol Space Jockeys storing the DNA of xenos or something?

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteApr-06-2012 8:13 AM
I disagree, I think the link between the two films except for the fictional universe they both share will be the derelict, and the derelict only. As Ridley has stated many times the Xenomorph is a tired form, he has no intentions to return to what has been milked dry, his intention was and is they story of the Space Jockey. This is a Space Jockey film, the Xenomorph will not feature. It maybe inferred, maybe referenced (as in the mural) but it will not feature.

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:14 AM
Im not saying the xeno will be in the film, but SOMETHING to do with it will be I think. Hes mentioned the same thing more than twice now about it sharing Alien DNA. I personally think it means [i]something[/i]. 'The last eight minutes of the film will evolve into "a pretty good DNA of the Alien one."

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:14 AM
@CanadaPhil, That fits not only what Ridley and Giger have always maintained they WANTED TO DO, but it fits with their personalities and how they act with regard to the films they are part of.

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:17 AM
@Snorky-> I agree completely that it's a space jockey film PRIMARILY, but feel it is extremely naive to think at this point that the thing we are seeing is NOT the DIRECT PREDECESSOR OF THE "MURDEROUS THIEF".

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:19 AM
Aren't you sort of agreeing with what I said Snork? I said there is NOT going to be a Xenomorph... but the PROCESS is the visual ahah. If this SINGLE ship is in fact the "Derelict", what is there to possibly say in a second story? Besides, to me, it was always pretty obvious that the first Xenomorph we see in 1979 is actually a partial physical manifestation of the Jockey "telescope" and ship itself.. That it specific lifeform could only have been born by gestating in the Jockey which as "physically"?? interfaced into the vessel.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteApr-06-2012 8:29 AM
The depiction of the Xenomorph in the Mural suggests the creature not only already exists, but exists in the form we see in Alien, thus there is no evidence to suggest that the Xenomorph in Alien had SJ DNA, which isn't what the Xenomorph does anyways - it extrapolates genetic traits not entire genomic groups. The Xenomorph in Alien 3 did not become a dog, it acquired a quadrapedal stance because it made it faster.

draekus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:30 AM
Given what most of you guys are saying in this thread...I think you may be in for a disappointment. I'm really starting to think that at least one of the crew members (likely Holloway) mutates into a form of proto SJ. That's just my guess based on the very limited info we have right now. Either way, I don't think I'll be disappointed. At least I hope I won't...

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:32 AM
This probably isnt worth mentioning but I was watching an interview on the Alien: Colonial Marines game today and it seems the developers are very focused on the word "canon" so are trying to stay as faithful to the ALIEN mythology as possible. The game takes place after the events of Alien 3 but on the same planet as Aliens, so they are using reference from all the films up to Alien 3. But the thing is, they are using reference from PROMETHEUS too, with Ridley Scott helping them. So this to me is good indicator that Prometheus is considered "Alien canon" and is probably more connected to Alien than many think. Ive read many comments on Youtube where they think this film will have absolutely nothing to do with Alien(even though it BLATANTLY does with Space Jockeys, the "Derelict ship" etc etc) and be its own mythology. I dunno.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:36 AM
@Snork.. I think that is part of the problem here... I believe the mural is a RED HERRING. Its just that.. A stylized picture... just like the cave painting is nothing more than a stylizd interpretation of people and a tall thing? One could say that the Xenomorph is nothing more that a suited "Jockey" given the exoskeletal type look. And the head? Who really knows what that is trying to depict?

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:39 AM
@ TheNextLV426 The final paragraph in your original topic post did make me laugh, I can't begin to tell you. That is all.

want-to-see-prometheusNOW!

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:40 AM
I was just hoping the film would be a lot of chaos. Like you have all this stuff going on at the same time: the mohawk guy mutated, shaw pregnant, the other crew affected in some way, encounters with the space jockeys, and a crisis where a space jockey(s) is heading for earth with ill intent and they have to try and stop them. It's an intense and frightening situation.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteApr-06-2012 8:45 AM
IMO the Mural is there to show a link between the SJ's and the Xenomorph, and to cater to the Xenomorph fans. If the Xenomorph was in the film why bother with a mural that shows the creature in all its glory when Ridley believes in showing the antagonist in Layers, like he did back in 1979. Yes there is a similarity between a suited Jockey and an adult Xeno, because the Xeno was created in their new image, just as we were created in their old, unsuited image. but the Xeno will not be born in this film, the backlash from the fans would cause the film to fail, and fox won't want that.

want-to-see-prometheusNOW!

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:52 AM
Snorkel So then the space jockeys transformed themselves into a new species - the xenos? Because that's what it seems like you Candaphil are saying. If that's so, that would be both surprising and interesting. I would just be wondering why they would do that.

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 8:55 AM

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteApr-06-2012 9:00 AM
@ WTSPN - Er, no... HELL NO. Back in prehistory the SJ's created the universe and all within it. To watch over their creation they created man in their image (tall blue guy) and bestowed us with knowledge and intelligence. Then another of their children attacked them, surpassed them and took over as the new gods, sealing the old gods (SJ's) in a prison. We come along to find the old gods are majorly peeved of with all of their former children, intending to wipe them out with their new children created in their new suited image, the Xenomorph.

Ghost Solitare

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 9:00 AM
The USCSS Nostromo (reg. 180942609) was a $42 billion dollar Weyland-Yutani A Lockmart CM 88B Bison M-Class starfreighter used as a commercial hauler between Thedus and Earth. The Nostromo was 243.8 meters in length, 164.6 meters wide and 72.5 meters in height. It also carried (or rather pulled) a massive refinery behind it for processing ore on the long trip to Earth. There was no OIL in the REFINERY, the outer veil was a MINERAL rich region of space charted by WEYLAND Corp in the 30's. I'd imagine that the process of obtaining the various ore's is largely done by specialized machines. The fact that it requires such a small crew just to pilot the Nostromo suggests that most of the work is automated. As for the DNA Ridley mentioned, I see it as the connection between the earlier works and the new film. It may be less literal than a lot of genetic material being exchanged, it may even be the corporate aspect overriding the entire mission. As for myself, I don't care if I even see a Xeno/Chestburster. I'm more interested at what was behind the events leading to the Nostromo being diverted to Zeta Ret. I'm not looking for another microwaved version of the same film I've already seen, if Ridley delivers something original, BRILLIANT!

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 9:01 AM
@WhyDon'tTheyFreezeHim" It takes place after the events of ALIENS not Alien 3, Alien 3 has Nothing to do with it. @Snorky, I want to be very clear about this because it matters to ME. I NEVER once said that what we see in Prometheus is a XENOMORPH...EVER! I said It is part of what eventually forms into/becomes the original we see in Alien in '79 That it is it's predecessor, and as it consumes it becomes more and more a kin to that Xenomorph. That is what I have maintained since the beginning.
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