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Are we being too Literal

TheNextLV426

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I enjoy all the plot ideas here but think we are being too literal with some of the things we see in the trailers. For example, a king has his reign and then he dies doesn’t mean we’ll encounter a king. It could be a referral to a species being dominant one day and history the next. The phrase is like saying every dog has his day, or 15 minutes of fame. Because the movie is called Prometheus doesn’t mean that it’s based on ancient Greek mythology any more than Red Dwarf features small red people. Also, RS has gone to great lengths to distance himself from Aliens 3 and 4 because of their silly plot lines, even so far as to have them ruled non cannon. I would be surprised if after declaring a movie about alien cloning (ie resurrection) as fan fiction if he goes down the route of time travel, ancient atlanteans, Weyland being an SJ, androids evolving in to xenos etc. I’m not dissing the theories that are posted as they make great reading but I think they are wide of the mark. I think the movie will be set within believable realistic parameters that all audiences, particular the older generation like me who grew up with the film will believe and not on a way out there sci-fi premise. Having said that, with my luck the I will be completely wrong and the film will be about an ancient time travelling xenomorph from Atlantis called Prometheus who becomes lost in time following a time travel experiment, temporarily taking the places of other people to put right what once went wrong and hoping that each leap will be the leap home.
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Given what most of you guys are saying in this thread...I think you may be in for a disappointment. I'm really starting to think that at least one of the crew members (likely Holloway) mutates into a form of proto SJ. That's just my guess based on the very limited info we have right now. Either way, I don't think I'll be disappointed. At least I hope I won't...
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This probably isnt worth mentioning but I was watching an interview on the Alien: Colonial Marines game today and it seems the developers are very focused on the word "canon" so are trying to stay as faithful to the ALIEN mythology as possible. The game takes place after the events of Alien 3 but on the same planet as Aliens, so they are using reference from all the films up to Alien 3. But the thing is, they are using reference from PROMETHEUS too, with Ridley Scott helping them. So this to me is good indicator that Prometheus is considered "Alien canon" and is probably more connected to Alien than many think. Ive read many comments on Youtube where they think this film will have absolutely nothing to do with Alien(even though it BLATANTLY does with Space Jockeys, the "Derelict ship" etc etc) and be its own mythology. I dunno.
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@Snork.. I think that is part of the problem here... I believe the mural is a RED HERRING. Its just that.. A stylized picture... just like the cave painting is nothing more than a stylizd interpretation of people and a tall thing? One could say that the Xenomorph is nothing more that a suited "Jockey" given the exoskeletal type look. And the head? Who really knows what that is trying to depict?
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@ TheNextLV426 The final paragraph in your original topic post did make me laugh, I can't begin to tell you. That is all.
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I was just hoping the film would be a lot of chaos. Like you have all this stuff going on at the same time: the mohawk guy mutated, shaw pregnant, the other crew affected in some way, encounters with the space jockeys, and a crisis where a space jockey(s) is heading for earth with ill intent and they have to try and stop them. It's an intense and frightening situation.
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IMO the Mural is there to show a link between the SJ's and the Xenomorph, and to cater to the Xenomorph fans. If the Xenomorph was in the film why bother with a mural that shows the creature in all its glory when Ridley believes in showing the antagonist in Layers, like he did back in 1979. Yes there is a similarity between a suited Jockey and an adult Xeno, because the Xeno was created in their new image, just as we were created in their old, unsuited image. but the Xeno will not be born in this film, the backlash from the fans would cause the film to fail, and fox won't want that.

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Snorkel So then the space jockeys transformed themselves into a new species - the xenos? Because that's what it seems like you Candaphil are saying. If that's so, that would be both surprising and interesting. I would just be wondering why they would do that.
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@ WTSPN - Er, no... HELL NO. Back in prehistory the SJ's created the universe and all within it. To watch over their creation they created man in their image (tall blue guy) and bestowed us with knowledge and intelligence. Then another of their children attacked them, surpassed them and took over as the new gods, sealing the old gods (SJ's) in a prison. We come along to find the old gods are majorly peeved of with all of their former children, intending to wipe them out with their new children created in their new suited image, the Xenomorph.

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The USCSS Nostromo (reg. 180942609) was a $42 billion dollar Weyland-Yutani A Lockmart CM 88B Bison M-Class starfreighter used as a commercial hauler between Thedus and Earth. The Nostromo was 243.8 meters in length, 164.6 meters wide and 72.5 meters in height. It also carried (or rather pulled) a massive refinery behind it for processing ore on the long trip to Earth. There was no OIL in the REFINERY, the outer veil was a MINERAL rich region of space charted by WEYLAND Corp in the 30's. I'd imagine that the process of obtaining the various ore's is largely done by specialized machines. The fact that it requires such a small crew just to pilot the Nostromo suggests that most of the work is automated. As for the DNA Ridley mentioned, I see it as the connection between the earlier works and the new film. It may be less literal than a lot of genetic material being exchanged, it may even be the corporate aspect overriding the entire mission. As for myself, I don't care if I even see a Xeno/Chestburster. I'm more interested at what was behind the events leading to the Nostromo being diverted to Zeta Ret. I'm not looking for another microwaved version of the same film I've already seen, if Ridley delivers something original, BRILLIANT!
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@WhyDon'tTheyFreezeHim" It takes place after the events of ALIENS not Alien 3, Alien 3 has Nothing to do with it. @Snorky, I want to be very clear about this because it matters to ME. I NEVER once said that what we see in Prometheus is a XENOMORPH...EVER! I said It is part of what eventually forms into/becomes the original we see in Alien in '79 That it is it's predecessor, and as it consumes it becomes more and more a kin to that Xenomorph. That is what I have maintained since the beginning.
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No, I didnt really say that at all. For all we know, there was a "blueprint" for something that could have been nothing more that a "SOLDIER" version of something if one wants to explore the HIVE idea? But, I really see the Xeno as the completely UNINTENDED consequence of unforseen events.. IE.... People showing up in a place they were NOT intended to be. There may very well have been a proto-Xeno whos purpose was not yet clear yet, but for all we know.... It could have been a tarantula sized "termite".
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as for the xeno you are referring to in the trailer it is clearly 100% possible that it is an image taken near or at the end of this film in which this monster has already developed, could even be the same one that the crew is struggling with earlier on, and their is absolutely no proof that it is not, not that I believe it is, you could be right and it cold turn out that the entire XENO idea will have nothing to do with this thing, but as I have said many many times, that would be Naive IMO, and what Ridley said was "Gosh No"...that it was a "TIRED OLD FORM", and that "We go Forward in this thing Not backwards" but he never once ruled it out of the storyline at all.
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Snorkel, Your idea is very interesting. It's something I haven't considered as a possibility in the film. I remember in two of the scenes I saw some bodies lying around in those caves. It looks as though there might have been a confrontation perhaps. I don't think they died of starvation. Perhaps they were at odds with the space jockeys.
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Sparta, If the xeno doesn't appear in the film, my hope is that the film will at least shed some light on the connection between the sj and the xeno. Like where did the xeno come from? Was it created by the SJ? Why would it be on an SJ ship? I hope the film will give answers or at least some hints.
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I for one am against this whole idea of proto this and proto that, this all started thanks to a leaked FAKE script, same with the bio-former idea. I personally do not see Ridley returning to this universe just to do what has already been done, instead of doing what he has always said he wanted to do, which was explore the SJ's.

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also there is zero evidence if you ask me that the Xeno bloodline contains SJ or Engineer DNA...I say the XENO, is in fact a BIOLOGICAL TERRA-FORMING WEAPON CREATED AT WILL BY The Engineers and who's genetic encoding can be contained in one of the Engineer's vials. My problem Snorky is your ideas are sometimes so damn fantastic I love them and start thinking they are part of this thing, it is hard for me to stick to my guns and up to you and say wait a second what about all this....? I agree to dissagree with your take... respectfully... I think that thing on board [i]is what eventually develops into the first Xenomorph[/i] as far as Mankind goes. Exactly what it is, and that it is naive to think otherwise at this point. Would just make no sense after the eventsin Alien that it turned out to be something else entirely.
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@ Spartacus - Actually youre wrong. Aliens: Colonial Marines takes place ON LOCATION of Aliens BUT during the TIME LINE of Alien 3, so they are using direct tie-ins to that movie also. Heres the video interview if youre interested - http://www.gametrailers.com/video/behind-the-aliens-colonial/728816#comments_top He talks about the Alien 3 time line and tie in at around 1:35.
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@want-to-see... Damn, Me Too Man ! That's what I am excited the most for, all the filling in of the blanks. Think now that we know there may be another one, he may even have saved most of it for that next one.
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really why don't...?... that's a new development...OK...I can dig it anyways...Alien3's extended directors cut is my fave of the 4 films.

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