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Larger plot themes and mystery of blue guys possibly solved.

whiskuz

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So what do we know about the larger plot elements? A month or so ago, the comments from the cast, Damon, and Ridley still seemed a little scattered, but now I think we can really start to narrow things down. Here are some quotes I think reveal a lot about the larger plot elements. I know most of you have probably read them already, but bear with me. My theory about the blue guys is below. ---------------- You've talked about the idea of these post-apocalyptic films having been done to death. Is Prometheus your way of going in the opposite direction and wondering about the beginning of life? [i]It is, and I’ve got to check [for spoilers] very carefully here, but it is about the beginning of life and ’what if’. It’s a giant ’what if'. Has this ball that we’re sitting on right now been around here for three billion years or one billion? Either way, it’s a long f---ing time. It’s only our kind of arrogance that says ”We’re the first ones.” Are we the first hominids? I really, really, really doubt it. In recent memory or legend we keep talking about wonderful, weird things such as Atlantis – what is that?[/i] -------------------- [i]It’s basically about trying to find out if there was intervention in the birth of civilisation on planet Earth by other beings, which we come to know as Engineers, and whether they had a master plan in mind for u[/i]s. ------------------- [i]Certainly, it makes an argument that will move away Darwinism, let’s just say![/i] ----------------- What does the title mean for you? [i]The story of Prometheus is the idea that if you’re given a gift from the gods, do not abuse it and do not think you can compete. He stole fire and they had his entrails torn out everyday in perpetuity by an eagle as a punishment. Every night they'd repair and then the eagle would come back in the morning and rip his liver and his kidneys out again. It’s perpetual purgatory. Basically, don’t f--- around with gods.[/i] --------------------------- [i]What if you could meet God but God turned out to be the Devil?[/i] So, I think we can draw some pretty certain conclusions from these quotes. Here's my shot at them. 1. We are not the first hominids. There was one or many civilizations on earth that existed before us. This also hints at the possibility of the other races that existed on earth having been destroyed by the "gods,” possibly for the same reason our destruction is threatened in this movie. I keep thinking about the second Matrix when you find out the destruction and rebirth of the human colony is cyclical. This is where I would bring in a concept from a previous post of mine concerning the temple. I think the temple is designed to adapt to whatever creature enters it via DNA analysis. Hence the breathable air, human carving, and the eventual change of the walls you see in the preview. Also, the blue guys appear to be hominids, right? What if they're a previous race from earth that reached the temple and was destroyed by the SJs, but some survived in the temple somehow? Or, what if the blue guys are the gifting race and they left earth a long time ago for some reason, but passes on the gift of intelligence and instructions on how to find them to another hominid (us) before they left? 2. Mankind, and possibly the civilizations that existed before us, was "given" something by a more advanced race. Given the quote about Darwin, my guess is that they intervened in the evolution of man to move us toward intelligence. 3. There will likely be some greater purpose for this gift that shows us to be an insignificant part of a much larger process and the gifting race will see us as a part of that process, nothing more. The adaptable temple is part of this process. 4. We do something that doesn't sit well with them. This may be as harmless as attaining a certain level of intelligence or attaining certain capabilities, or it may be something we’ve done related to the temple. It may also have something to do with the actions of Weyland and Yutani, which since Alien have played a sinister role. What do you guys think? Can we say with any amount of certainty that even one of these four points will be part of the larger story?
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whiskuz
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Yep, I agree 100%. A lot of science fiction short stories are about alien civilizations that discover technology in sequences different than our own. Imagine how different things might be if we hadn't developed computer technology when we did, but stumbled onto cold fusion instead. That's what I love about good hard sci-fi. It asks questions like that and gives plausible answers. Not that I don't like the more imaginative stuff too, but hard sci-fi has given me some great realizations over the years. Love the disagreement though.
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Hi Very interesting read this post lots of stuff to think about. Regarding the intelligent / civilization before us stuff, i think its fair to say that if there was there would be evidence, when we are gone there will be lots of stuff to say to whatever follows that we were here. Even if all evidence was somehow wiped from the face of the planet what about all the stuff in orbit and pottering about the solar-system ? rover and probes on the other planets too. Surely we would have found things like that. we have records of fossils like Masons Charnia which is around 610 millions years old and nothing much prior to that, these are the roots of complex life on earth so imagining stuff before that is pushing it a bit.
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Oh yeh, we didnt stumble onto Computer technology we developed it and improved it generation by generation. Abacus then cogs and gears in weaving machines then not much for a bit then Bill Gates then Ping !! your using the offspring right now as am i. I think its right to say that cold fusion or any other high energy technology would be unknowable without computers so one must follow the other skipping isnt going to work.
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"Are we the first hominids? I really, really, really doubt it. In recent memory or legend we keep talking about wonderful, weird things such as Atlantis – what is that?" Seriously you should all read Doris Lessing's Canopus in Argos series.
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@Whiskuz I disscussed this possibility in one of my previous posts http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2965
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The thing about this are we the first stuff is that Books and arguments and tales and legends are not proof !. Dinosaurs - fossils ! ok good, cave men - cave paintings and bits of flint napped to make cutting tools and some carved bones and stuff hinting at culture so ok fairly evident. Ghosts - er no not really anything just some dodgy photos. Aliens - well not yet no, and its not like we arnt trying, nothing in a museum or suitable to be taught in schools or anything. Atlantis - again not much to show is there, where was it ? dunno, are there any relics in say roman or greek historical archives we can see ?? nope, well not anywhere any self respecting professor of ancient history would put his name to no.
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'I like the pretty lights!'
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Has anyone noyiced that the full appearance of the Big Blue SJ's are restricted to the orrery room?They might night even exist any more,they could be a Hologram.And why isn't the Blue SJ we see pulling up the chair not in one of the suits we see hanging? And I agree that the Atlantean theme would be lame.Ridley goes to his marquee achievement as an artist and only copies a myth? Bay and Emerich would do that but noy Ridley(hopefully!!).
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I didn't say that we stumbled upon computer technology, I said developed. And I said "stumbled" when referring to cold fusion because without computers, there would likely be some stumbling involved. And there have been countless major discoveries that were stumbled upon while investigating something else or just tinkering. My point is this: to think that the order in which we have discovered various aspects of the rules we understand the universe to follow, and thus related technologies, is the only order that is possible wouldn't be correct. Science is like a tree with a lot of branches; discoveries spur research in one direction and pull resources from others. There's no telling what would be different about our society if instead of harnessing the electro-magnetic force via a slew of early discoveries, we learned how to harness gravity as a source of power. Its very easy to say that electricity is just "easier" to harness, but that would be circular reasoning barring an explanation I've never heard: it's easier because we harnessed it first, and we harnessed it first because it's easier. We discovered unbelievable amounts of information about our universe without computers and I think you have to accept the fact that there are things we haven't discovered yet which could very easily have been discovered a long time ago. There are a lot of discoveries that are very closely related to things we've know for a long time, but which, for various reasons, aren't discovered until much later. The opposite is true for other things. Look at the Aztecs for example. They had no beasts of burden so they had no real system of roads like Europe did, but they were far more advanced in city planning, mathematics, and a number of other areas. They also didn't try to exterminate their enemies, so there weapons were designed to maim so that enemies could be used for sacrifice. European warfare was much more focused on killing everyone on the opposing side, so they had far more sophisticated armor and weaponry. Imagine this on a cosmic scale. Just my opinion.
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The topic is very interesting. Maybe you don´t know, but there is no other species on Earth whose individuals are as big as humans living in such big numbers as us around the globe. This means that the premium mother Nature pays us for our competitivity in the darwinian race is: huge human biomass around. This means that if the Earth ever was home to another intelligent species in the deeps of time, we should be able to see their fossils. But we aren´t. This probably happens because there wasn´t other intelligent species. BTW this is one of the more disputated variables in the Drake Equation, the equation that try to stablish the number of advanced civilizations around in the Universe: the probability of intelligence arising. The time lag between emergence of life on earth and the rise of intelligent life (us) seems to correlates well with the fact that the Universe seems relatively empty (there are no signals from space - nobody is broadcasting us).
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Will this movie include apes?
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@Centrosphere This is from an unfinished original sci-fi screenplay I was fooling around with several years ago: "Intelligent species that employ technology as their primary survival strategy may represent an aberration…an evolutionary blunder down a dark, dead end alley…… that would have chilling implications…… It might be the general rule that technological civilizations nearly always fry out like an overloaded fuse, instead of burning slowly and steadily like a candle…. We already know the light of knowledge can be applied either way.
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I'm thinking about the resurrection process Weyland's site has mentioned. The space jockey head/helmet is set upon their medical lab scanner and we see it being scanned in the preview. At one point, Shaw is looking at the head in amazement from across the room, with the head in the foreground. Maybe they utilized Weyland's resurrection process on it and the blue meanies don't dig it? Maybe they're thinking we're too advanced and corrupt to bring back the dead?
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In my theory it turns out that many of the myths that appear cross-culturally, like the flood story and/or myths about a lost island empire, were true... in a way more horrible than we could ever imagine. What you have to understand is that in this theory they were punished by a second more mysterious race and left Earth to challenge the true gods while gaining the terraforming/world flooding tech. They use an alien bio infection followed by a massive worldwide flood that they cause to clean up everything they've just inflicted upon a world that's misbehaved. Submerging continents, raising new ones. Destroying Pangaea. Saving some humans the next times the ice age/ rapid melting are brought on. Moving all traces of possible evidence into the realm of underwater archaeology, which is a huge area of debate right now when it comes to some of the underwater ruins that are over 7 000 years old. What's funny is lack of oxygen can lead to better preservation in certain cases. Speaking as someone who works with archaeologists, there's a lot more support for Atlantis possibly existing at one time than there is for ancient aliens. Definitely no where near as far back as Ridley was saying. He even got his numbers wrong about the age of the Earth, which is closer to 4.6-4.8 billion years old. Hopefully he has other writers in charge of the numbers... Even when you accept stuff like the Annunaki they could have been talking about the same group as there are many similarities... and one god-king had control of the oceans. There's a lot more yet to be explained in the form of literally 1000's of now submerged stone complexes that predate some of our earliest civilizations, all around the world. The flood's also used to wipe out all traces of the infection until the infection changed in the ancient past; like was hinted in some of the EU stuff about the space jockeys once being at war with another race, and being nearly extinct. The blue guys are successful in overthrowing them and become the new gods and acquire even more of their tech. The true gods tried to save us from the flood, as well as punished the ancient humans who were becoming more like the Atlanteans and misusing the gifts we'd been given.
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In my theory the ideas in this movie are huge and it turns out that many of the myths that appear cross-culturally, like the flood story and/or myths about a lost island empire, were true... in a way more horrible than we could ever imagine. What you have to understand is that in this theory they were punished by a second more mysterious race and left Earth to challenge the true gods while gaining the terraforming/world flooding tech. They use an alien bio infection followed by a massive worldwide flood that they cause to clean up everything they've just inflicted upon a world that's misbehaved. Submerging continents, raising new ones. Destroying Pangaea. Saving some humans the next times the ice age/ rapid melting are brought on. Moving all traces of possible evidence into the realm of underwater archaeology, which is a huge area of debate right now when it comes to some of the underwater ruins that are over 7 000 years old. What's funny is lack of oxygen can lead to better preservation in certain cases. Speaking as someone who works with archaeologists, there's a lot more support for Atlantis possibly existing at one time than there is for ancient aliens. Definitely no where near as far back as Ridley was saying. He even got his numbers wrong about the age of the Earth, which is closer to 4.6-4.8 billion years old. Hopefully he has other writers in charge of the numbers... Even when you accept stuff like the Annunaki they could have been talking about the same group as there are many similarities... and one god-king had control of the oceans. There's a lot more yet to be explained in the form of literally 1000's of now submerged stone complexes that predate some of our earliest civilizations, all around the world. The flood's also used to wipe out all traces of the infection until the infection changed in the ancient past; like was hinted in some of the EU stuff about the space jockeys once being at war with another race, and being nearly extinct. The blue guys are successful in overthrowing them and become the new gods and acquire even more of their tech. The true gods tried to save us from the flood, as well as punished the ancient humans who were becoming more like the Atlanteans and misusing the gifts we'd been given.
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In the empire magazine interview (see news section) Ridley makes comment, in passing, of the possibility of a pre-history humanoid race on earth, as per what the OP is suggesting. Depending on what point of history this race existed, it is possible that the fossil record for such a race would no longer exist, because the layer of rock in which it resided has since been reconstituted into the magma and lava beneath the Earths crust. Any remaining evidence would have been [u]so[/u] broken down by other processes it wouldn't even be recognizable anymore. I'm not saying that I believe such a race existed, but that it may be a possibility. The scientific community of today believes it holds most of the answers, when in reality they only hold some. The rest are either half-wrong or completely wrong. We are, after all a primitive, post-industrial race with limited intelligence.

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You guys are awesome. Thanks for all the comments, for and against.
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@artyoh Very good; do you know the short story "Swarm", from Bruce Sterling ? You can find it in "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schismatrix]Schismatrix[/url]". At the center of the plot, actually, is a race of beings that have intelligence in low consideration, and only use it when they are at risk at the hands of other intelligent races. I don´t buy all the aspects, but it put me to think about the actual evolutionary fitness benefits of intelligence in other, very strange, light.
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Snorkelbottom, "[i]Depending on what point of history this race existed, it is possible that the fossil record for such a race would no longer exist, because the layer of rock in which it resided has since been reconstituted into the magma and lava beneath the Earths crust. Any remaining evidence would have been so broken down by other processes it wouldn't even be recognizable anymore[/i]." You couldn´t possibly think of intelligent life before the emergence of multicellular organisms, since intelligence is based in a vast network of specialized cells (the neurons). Multicellular organisms evolved circa 1.6 - 1.0 billion years ago, in an geological age known as Mesoproterozoic. The oldest rocks on continents are regularly dated from circa 3.8 - 2.5 billion years, with the most ancient registered dated from 4.0 billion years. So, the existing crust should be littered with fossils of any intelligent species who lived in so great numbers and predominance of biomass as us. I agree that the fossil record is "holed", but these numbers, I think, put a low probability to the existence of previous intelligent races.
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I agree with the OP but not in the multi-civilizations on earth. What OP says is plausible but with SJ looking for different civilizations across the Universe. They (SpaceJockeys) probably "created" civilizations and they destroy them when they want. Probably the SJ are now extinct and the expedition ressurect them. What they find is that SJ are an apocalyptic race, and once ressurected they want to go to Earth and destroy us. So the expedition discover our creators (they succeed in this) but also ressurect our destroyers. In this plot, aliens probably are nothing more than the native species in this world that SpaceJockeys where trying to manipulate (give them the gift of intelligence as OP suggest). The Xenomorphs probably were successfull in killing the SJ or whatever (probably they fought and eventually destroyed each other). In this film this is probably secundary, as SpaceJockeys where secundary in the Alien movie. Anyway, I think RS has something different prepared for us all.

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