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Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 8:32 AMTheres a lot of talk that this movie would be better WITHOUT the xenos in it?
Come on you lot......dont tell me you fell in love with Alien just because of the story and the acting.
Personally i still get off on the first couple of frames of the Alien opening its mouths in front of Brett, making that little hissing kind of sound.........THATS why i fell in love with Alien, oh and the scenery.
So yeah, i for one would be disappointed if theres no xenos....even at the end, i dont care as long as it pays homage to the original xeno rather than the domeless Cameron versions.
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MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 2:53 PMI love Alien because their is a bit of Kubrickism (2001) in it. I am an avid believer/supporter of "space exploration" be it our own solar system or beyond. For this reason, I loved the video games Dead Space 1 & 2 because it reminds me a lot of what I love in Alien/Aliens. Deep space exploration, deep space mining, deep space colonization (some being penal is fine, gotta start somewhere). I KNOW this is where we are headed in reality. However....
I'm 40 and I'm not going to be able to be a part of this adventure (as I would have hoped back in the 70/80s) because things are going waaaay to slow. Governments have their hands tied behind their backs trying to fix the problems we have on this planet. Corporations? I don't see any getting all that interested (primarily due to stock-holder interest on fixing Earth and their retirements). In addition, their is not a lot of money to be made in colonization (look at the example of all the failures of England's attempts (I'm British, BTW) what with the colonial states declaring independence and the common-wealth back-firing on them now making England a refuge for all of the countries it brought it - deserved, though, in my opinion), especially at the beginning when you're pumping lots of investment capital just seeing your colonies perish, ships destroyed mid-journey, etc.
So, I love Alien/Aliens and movies inspired by it because THAT is all I will live to see of my even greater love, "space exploration".
"My" Forecasted Timeline (based on current activities):
2020 - Governments involve corporations in deeper manned space travel
2025 - Man lands on Mars (astronomically expensive)
2030 - Colony established on the moon (for future, cheaper Mars mission send-offs)
2035 - Construction of re-usable ship completed for manned Mars exploration
2040 - Small Colony on Mars attempted - failure - all perish (moon colony growing and thriving (ore profits seen); vacations to moon now available)
2050 - Another colony on Mars attempted - half survive before next supply shuttle arrives
2060 - Martian colony thriving. Ore mining established. Profits are starting to be seen; vacations to Mars now available
2070 - Moons of Jupiter & Saturn heavily probed. Preparations being made for manned exploration(s)
2075 - Disastrous results with manned explorations beyond Mars
2100 - Small colonies established on several moons orbiting Jupiter & Saturn; ore profits beginning to show signs
2113 - Alien 426 appears in holo-theatres, scares everyone to death, further space exploration ceases; humans content to never leave their solar system
2245 - Manned exploration past our solar system begins (heading to Alpha Centauri)
2305 - Alpha Centauri reached - All aboard have perished in cryo-tubes

Dave_b
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 3:19 PMIt's the idea of the xeno and the sj that elevate the Alien movie, with just enough skin shown to keep you interested. The suspense combined with our imaginations can do so much more to involve us in the Alien Universe. I hope Prometheus carries on this tradition and doesn't go Slasher on us:O)

visualizer
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 3:26 PMAlien scared me in a weird way that I couldn´t accept, when I watched it for the first time as a 10 year old - probably because of the sexual connotations of the monster. I guess as a homosexual the sexual connotations hit my feelings of deviance like a sledgehammer. This bizarre creature that was human and yet not, looked like nothing I had ever seen before and really scared me. It doesn´t anymore, because it has lost its ability to draw on my fear of the unknown and it´s now familiar and inconized. The story behind the mysterious space jockey is still (luckily) unknown, which is why I am so pleased that Ridley Scott opted to follow this road. Someone in here wrote that "Alien" was just the opener, I couldn´t agree more.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 3:43 PMfor me its because i was into aliens and UFOs from a very early age. huge x-files fan, the original V series, fire in the sky, star trek, so on.
alien and aliens played right into that, and they made more of an impression on the then other alien themed sci fi because the creature was so much different from anything i have ever seen.
it wasnt a "grey" or a human with a little make up and a weird outfit, it was a full on unique creature.
i was/ am also very into beasts like dinorsaurs and monsters, along with demons and mythological creatures.
i felt the alien had a bit of all of those things in it, guaranteeing i would love this thing from head to toe.
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MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 3:54 PMIm going to be honest now, this was a difficult decision. Im gonna have to go for the fact i felt like i knew the crew of the Nostromo, and i felt for them. The Xeno obviously was an amazing feature of the film. I also loved, even how far fetched it may be, the fact it was so realistic.
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MemberDeaconApr-23-2012 4:31 PM@belladonna
Same as me then.... i am a bit of a Sci Fi Geek, and also like anything to do with fantasy and Sci Fi as well as UFOs
I have actually seen the TR3..... and caught a few odd things on Video.
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 4:36 PM@BigDave NICE! i think "geek" works to describe me as well :)
i believe ive seen 2 ufos so far, one in England and one in the desert in the US.
my gramma saw that big ass phoenix arizona one that hovered over the city. it wasnt long before i moved there, im pissed that i missed it!
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shardy
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 4:46 PMfor me, ALIEN (as a whole) is a great work of cinematic art
the story / tone / design / direction are what do it for me
the NOSTROMO is the 9th character of that film, it's the
first impressions that we see, and we get to know that "character"
first off
yes, no doubt the creatures are what seal the deal in regards to
bringing all the elements together, and work so well in unison
with said elements
i well understand what Scott meant by saying that having the
alien in a film is really played out, and that it's time for a new
type of creature to thrill / chill us
perhaps ALIEN isn't your taste, better that you watch all it's
inferior sequels and that AvP crap to better satisfy your taste

craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 9:51 PM"huge x-files fan, the original V series, fire in the sky"...belladonna...I think I love you....

craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 10:01 PM"I think that the Story and Acting were pretty irrelevant and boring - they wasted so much good time on it, it was ridiculous - I couldn't even understand what the point of doing that was. I have said, all along, that film would have been just as good if they had just focussed on the xeno's teeth for 90 minutes - and a lot of people agree with me. It would probably better, actually, without all the need for that stupid talking and then some people walking from here, to there, and back again: I mean, seriously, what the Hell were they trying to prove? It slowed everything down. I hope Ridley Scott listens to the true fans this time 'round and just keeps what's actually most important."
allinamberclad...I almost don't know how to respond this, this nonsense......'Alien' is one of the greatest sci-fi films and one of the greatest horror films ever made, simultaneously......to suggest that it's boring or is slowed down by dialogue and or that you're a true fan because you see the 'real' value in 'Alien' rather than the writers. director and editor who made it is beyond ignorance.......
When you can admit, "I couldn't even understand what the point of doing that was"...there are no surprises there...

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 10:13 PMooh my my, craig ~_^
so i guess you WOULD like to look at my x-files season 2 card collection! no one else does :/
i even have all of the hologram and foil cards.
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 10:43 PMYes...yes I would bella.......I love 'The X-Files'...definately one of the best shows in tv history..hands down......do you remember the episode 'Jose Chung's From Outer Space'...my favorite episode....

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 11:40 PMseason 2 is the best in my opinion! "humbug" is my favorite episode.
my favorite part is when mulder scares the little person trailer park manager enough to run away because he insinuated he found his size "sexually alluring" lol.
Jose Chung's From Outer Space is an odd episode! great one though :)
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reffugee
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 11:57 PMOne thing that makes Alien great is you hardly ever see the xeno. Most of the suspense and fear comes from our imagination after being immersed into an unimaginable situation that seems so realistic because of acting, story, set design, music and cinematography.
The designs by Giger are probably the most original and disturbing ever put on film, but only enhance this great all around timeless film.

FREEZE!
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 2:29 AMbecause it was smart, inspired me as an artist and it pushed parameters in film.
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takka_takka_takka
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:19 AMSo you must think that the AVP films are even better than Alien because they show the aliens more and there is no acting to speak of.

craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:43 PM"Humbug"...great episode.....they just don't make tv like that anymore.......

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:57 PMthey sure dont!!
as of newer shows i was getting into "better off ted" because it was quirky science themed and they canceled the hell out of that show :/
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abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:58 PMI love alien because aside from the unlikely event that we will anytime soon meet "alien" life, it does show that mankind is exploring deep-space, setting up mining colonies, hauling refinery equipment, establishing penal-colonies.....basically what we saw during our era of colonialism but on a much grander scale but instead of countries being the "evil" colonialists, we now substitute "the company"-ies.
Realistically speaking, countries are a dieing breed. Look at England. A shadow of its former self where the sun never set on the British empire. (I'm British (living in the US), btw, and as British passport carrying "subject", I'm justified in making/stating these observation in conjuncture with trips back seeing the degradation of my country....unfortunately at its own hands...aka. The CommonWealth Backlash).
Alien gives me hope that within several decades, we all won't necessarily be confined to this planet and there is hope of attempting to "start over" (hopefully, minus the bug problems).

craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:00 PMJust like they canceled "Firefly" and they canceled "Freaks and Geeks" and who knows how many other great shows before they could actually BE something....idiots

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:03 PMI loved Firefly and its movie tie-in. I wish they'd continue the series.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:03 PMthey are idiots. now everything thats on is a bunch of crappy reality shows, D-list dancing celebs, and random singing teenagers.
hell the better off ted veridian dynamics adds were better then whats on during prime time now!!
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:08 PMThat's exactly why I have to go on 'X-Files' series marathons that take months...I'm on season 8 and started almost two years ago......I do have a life outside of my nerdy obsessions....

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:17 PMlol im currently on a star trek marathon myself. im almost finished with enterprise. already watched the original series, TNG, DS9, and voyager.
voyager was hard enough to get through, i am not enjoying enterprise AT ALL.
after that im watching the old cartoon series, i havent seen it yet.
after that i have officially watched everything star trek. *sad violin music*.
i think im going to re watch all of the movies also, i havent seen some of them in many years and dont remember everything.
lol but we are our nerdy obsessions! it seems hard to believe i have a life too and people ask how i have the time to do all of this crap. the answer is always INSOMNIA!
i dont sleep every day and when i do its usually only 2-4 hours at a time. so that gives me a crap ton of time for nerd shows and actual bill paying work lol.
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:21 PMYeah...it never seems like there's enough time for everything and I'm usually so exhausted from work that I want to fall asleep in my drive way...........

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 5:21 PMWhat!!?!?! ENTERPRISE flipping ROCKS!
Such a maligned series... when it was probably the Best Ever!... Trekkie nerdlingers... almost as bad as Macgruber Stargate fans. ; P
Other than the Original series boxset, the 4 seasons of Enterprise are the only Trek shows I actually own and actually watch repeatedly.

allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 6:06 PM@craigamore
I need to explain to you that I was being ironic?
Lol.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 6:16 PMLet's calm down everyone. This is a community and typed words never display the desired intent (jest, sarcasm, etc.) Hopefully, we can take a breather and come back to the community with the ultimate goal that we're here to have FUN!

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 6:16 PMLet's calm down everyone. This is a community and typed words never display the desired intent (jest, sarcasm, etc.) Hopefully, we can take a breather and come back to the community with the ultimate goal that we're here to have FUN!
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