Aliens - Another Conspiracy

he is right tho,because how would they know when to send the marines in the company would have know because they sent the all there to be slaughtered to see how theses things move or how there made because in the 4th one they knew how to get the aliens in side a host. i believe the xenomorphs to be an experiment that an advanced aliens have made that's gone wrong & wipe out there race, this experiment has survived, it uses the hosts DNA & mutates the host to what you see as the xenomorph, i think the origins of the xenomorph came from a human host from the very beginning because of the way they look in body wise, because they seem to have the human instinct intelligence.reason why i say this is by looking at the trailer of prometeus it seem to look that way to me.

I agree, [b]PLEASE LETS GET FRANTZ IN HERE AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER...LMFAO!!![/b] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1sherly.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1A1cloey.jpg[/img]

By the way Snorky I think the company would have done that {Tried to obtain the/a/many specimen{s}} even without Burke. They were going to do it no matter what all along.

My main point of the thread is the Cameras, surely W-Y would have been recieving the footage, would explain how the USM knew so much in Alien Rez.

I have sad that for 30+ years now hahaha but yea man I agree completely.

I even suspect one or more of the droids were fitted with them...but that's not canon and was never mentioned, just my own assumption.

So when Burke told Ripley they had lost communication with LV-426, he was being told a lie by the company? Or, perhaps they did finally lose communication (I recall it taking two weeks for transmissions to get from one point to the other), but not before seeing enough via the CCTV feeds travelling through the "network" to know that the shake-n-bake was nice and golden crusted ready to pull out of the oven.

Too elaborate for me. Why would you send marines and Ripley and try to bring some back when A) it would be easier to go there and study them B) you could send some unarmed scientist or other mules To get infected You could always put a bullet in the back of Ripleys head so she isn't around to spill the beans instead of sending her along

Snorky, Oh No you didn't you aren't stealing my thunder damn it ! ! ! ! ! I said that how many months ago THEY ALWAYS KNEW ! They = The company. LOL Rick

The company seemed in pretty much denial of the existence of any such bug and I don't think feeds of the derelict in Alien made it to the network (or even if it had, they were forgotten because if it had, they would have had HH-ers expedition the area much sooner). This was a case of the freak chance of a survivor of the missing Nostromo making it back to Earth (BTW, the salvagers that found her - why didn't they just shut off her cryo-chamber and get their salvage rights? These guys must have been space samaritan salvagers I guess) allowing the company to put pieces of the puzzle together (since I'm sure they did have Nostromo transmissions concerning the signal and possibly even footage from helmet cams and even the med-bay) and Burke nudges them into letting him join not to mention the lost signal from the colony. Then Burke, it seems, is thinking about his "percentage" all along. Not to say that anyone in Burke's position wouldn't have done the same thing being a company man and all. I just hope Burke wasn't killed immediately, but got the "full treatment" (cocooned, face-hugged, chow-mein, chest-bursted).

Abor, If you recall once Ripley gave them the coordinates of where they set down when Burke debriefed her, Burke sent them out there right away and if you don't recall the two guys complaining about some "honch" at a desk says go to check a grid reference, we go, we don't ask why because the answer always is "don't ask" This to me means they've been hunting for the ship for a really, really long time they just had no idea where to go. This is too coincidental that she comes back and then they can't get a response from the colony. Regards, Rick

@ TNLV426 - Why send the Nostromo in 2122? - Something or someone (this hasn't been answered yet) has obviously denied the company to directly acquire the specimen they desire, hence all the sneaking around. Ripley was sent because she knew their dirty little secret, and wouldn't play ball. Burke was sent to serve the companies interest and gather any specimens he could (Bishops statement about the Facehuggers, Burkes attempt to facehug Ripley and Newt). Marines were sent to ensure Burkes security and to maintain cover of a search and rescue mission for the colonists. ...IMO when they said they had lost contact with the colony they were lying, they knew the colonists had all (except Newt) been processed by the Xenomorphs, and thus would not answer any radio calls, thus supporting their story that contact had been lost. Also, IMO, once the USS Sulaco had been launched the vessel from Alien 3 was put on a state of readiness to intercept the Sulaco upon its return to acquire the specimens before they returned to Earth. Remember that the colony still had power when the marines arrived and the transmitter was still operational, even after the xenos cut the power. The company had the footage, which would be almost as valuable as the specimen itself.

@snorkelbottom Great point. That's just what I was going to say, in different words of course. Ripely knew the creatures well enough to give intel to ensure a safer trip. Burke is just expendable. They only needed him long enough to get the embryos back. He could have died before the trip home and the marines would have had no clue that Ripley and Newt were even carrying them, they would have been frozen for the trip. Like Ripley said, Burke could have made up any story and if he died the company could have made up a story. Marines were expendable as well. It all adds up. They could have gone anywhere with the story and fill in the blanks to make sense of it all. I think Prometheus will explain how the Xenomorph was created. In the first Alien, the Space Jockey had a broken chest cavity and Dallas said that it was if it exploded from within, which could be the effect of a chestburster. Then directly next to the remains is a hole which is obviously created by acid. My guess is a queen alien chestated in that space jockey. It then nested at the bottom of that hole where Kane found all the Eggs. All makes sense. I believe that the SOS or warning that they investigated in the first Alien is sent to them directly following events from Prometheus. The company finds out about the Xenomorph by the end of Promethues. That's how the two movies will link, I think.

I wonder if Burke imagined he was sent by the company on a basic suicide mission? I mean how would he even survive to bring back specimens to Earth? If he was aware of his chances for surival, he truely is/was an idiot!

@freeze him I don't think he was an idiot. He was obviously under the impression he was safe. He had grade A marines to keep him safe in his mind. I don't think he had a clue he would die. He probably felt safe. However he was as crazy as the company though. I think he wanted the xenos as much as the company itself. The payoff would have been worth the risk. He would have been rich if successful. Now as far as how much Burke knew is a different story. I think he knew everything. He knew that the face hugged implanted the embryo. He was smart enough to be involved in the companies agenda to recover the specimen.

Vid, Although great points and speculation, I depart with you in the idea that the original Alien SJ chestated a queen that created Kane's hole laying all those eggs. I believe it is well established that the SJ craft was a bomber carrying the bio-weapon eggs (thus the mist alarm in case something in the hold hatched prematurely) to planet unknown (quite posssibly Earth from after the Prometheus movie, we'll see), but it is to be noted that the SJ was "fossilized" into his seat. How long does it take to become "fossilized" like that. IMO, I'd say in the order of tens of thousands of years making the SJ ship on LV-426 completely unrelated to the SJ ship (or ships) we see on LV-223. I may be totally off-base here, but this is my two-cents, be they right, wrong or something in between (nothing invested here but fun speculation).

Ok guys, Here is a discussion on this subject from back in the day: [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1337]Corporate Behind the Scenes[/url] Regards, Rick

Here is a thought-why would Burke be the go to guy?He was a douchebag,or seemed like one.I think he was more or less a pee on but he gave orders' to the colonists,de-briefed Ripley,sat in board meetings and travelled with the Marines.He was a mysterious character in some ways,but was over-shadowed by the actions of the Marines.A weird thought-Burke,on film,did not have his death filmed,he opened a door and saw a Xeno.Could he have been a robot that planted the egg on the Suraco?

Okay, a lot to catch up on here... @ abordoli - I agree with the fact that the Xenomorph that was born from the Space Jockey was not a Queen. The Derelict was a bomber (Ridleys words not mine) carrying a cargo of Xenomorph eggs, which in all likelyhood had been collected from another planet where the Xenomorph had been dispatched (drop eggs - Xenomorph does its thing - uses up all suitable hosts - dies - only the eggs remain - pick up eggs). Either en-route home or to another world where it would dispatch the eggs the pilot fell foul to its own cargo and the Derelict ended up on LV-426. But, regards Fossilization - The Space Jockey in the Derelict was not fossilized. Fossilization occurs when a plant or animals remains are covered in layers of sediment, which over the course of millenia turns to rock, crushing the remains and replacing the organic components with minerals. This is not what happened to the Space Jockey. I know Dallas says that it looks fossilized, but think about it for a second - Dallas was a careless, incompetent captain of a rusting tugboat, not a scientist. When he saw the Space Jockey he interpreted what he saw as the skeletal remains of a long dead alien creature and claimed it to be fossilized, because his ignorant point of view (as with most people) was that it was a fossil because it looked like the fossils of dinosaurs seen in most natural history museums. Also. looking at the Space Jockey suit in Prometheus, the one in Alien was decayed, not fossilized (buried in rock), not petrifed (a la Pompei), not mummified (dried up of all internal fluids), but [b]DECAYED[/b]. Also one of the points thrown regards the fossilization angle is that the Derelict would have been there millions of years. If so how can the eggs last that long, and if the Derelict and its cargo of Alien eggs where there for millions of years how could you then argue that the Alien is created in Prometheus. @ Mlb127 - Burke. Burke would have been on a need to know basis by his employer, Weyland-Yutani. Ultimately he was expendable. Regards the rescue mission - Ripley was an itch to be dealt with, ideally by becoming host to the creature (which she ultimately was in Alien 3), the Marines were expendable security to ensure success of the mission, and Burke was the expendable asset whom would either give them what they wanted or be seen as company liasion, because the company funded colonization and manufactured the atmosphere processors. If Burke was successful the company would get their prize, hopefully at the cost of Ripleys life, if not it was a failed rescue mission that fell foul to a faulty nuclear reactor. Also original Jim Cameron intended to show Burkes fate - while searching for Newt in the Alien Hive Ripley came across Burke cocooned in resin up against the wall. Burke, awake tells Ripley he can feel it (a chestburster) moving inside his chest. Ripley hands Burke a grenade and walks off.

Okay, a lot to catch up on here... @ abordoli - I agree with the fact that the Xenomorph that was born from the Space Jockey was not a Queen. The Derelict was a bomber (Ridleys words not mine) carrying a cargo of Xenomorph eggs, which in all likelyhood had been collected from another planet where the Xenomorph had been dispatched (drop eggs - Xenomorph does its thing - uses up all suitable hosts - dies - only the eggs remain - pick up eggs). Either en-route home or to another world where it would dispatch the eggs the pilot fell foul to its own cargo and the Derelict ended up on LV-426. But, regards Fossilization - The Space Jockey in the Derelict was not fossilized. Fossilization occurs when a plant or animals remains are covered in layers of sediment, which over the course of millenia turns to rock, crushing the remains and replacing the organic components with minerals. This is not what happened to the Space Jockey. I know Dallas says that it looks fossilized, but think about it for a second - Dallas was a careless, incompetent captain of a rusting tugboat, not a scientist. When he saw the Space Jockey he interpreted what he saw as the skeletal remains of a long dead alien creature and claimed it to be fossilized, because his ignorant point of view (as with most people) was that it was a fossil because it looked like the fossils of dinosaurs seen in most natural history museums. Also. looking at the Space Jockey suit in Prometheus, the one in Alien was decayed, not fossilized (buried in rock), not petrifed (a la Pompei), not mummified (dried up of all internal fluids), but [b]DECAYED[/b]. Also one of the points thrown regards the fossilization angle is that the Derelict would have been there millions of years. If so how can the eggs last that long, and if the Derelict and its cargo of Alien eggs where there for millions of years how could you then argue that the Alien is created in Prometheus. @ Mlb127 - Burke. Burke would have been on a need to know basis by his employer, Weyland-Yutani. Ultimately he was expendable. Regards the rescue mission - Ripley was an itch to be dealt with, ideally by becoming host to the creature (which she ultimately was in Alien 3), the Marines were expendable security to ensure success of the mission, and Burke was the expendable asset whom would either give them what they wanted or be seen as company liasion, because the company funded colonization and manufactured the atmosphere processors. If Burke was successful the company would get their prize, hopefully at the cost of Ripleys life, if not it was a failed rescue mission that fell foul to a faulty nuclear reactor. Also original Jim Cameron intended to show Burkes fate - while searching for Newt in the Alien Hive Ripley came across Burke cocooned in resin up against the wall. Burke, awake tells Ripley he can feel it (a chestburster) moving inside his chest. Ripley hands Burke a grenade and walks off.