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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-24-2012 11:21 AMI am currently collating a synopsis, which I will then expand into a screenplay for an Alien semi-sequel.
There will be two main elements to the narrative structure...
1. The main story telling of a Weyland-Yutani R&D vessel landing on LV-426. Officially, they are there to ascertain the cause and damage caused by the destroyed Atmosphere Processor. Unofficially they are there to ascertain if the Derelict was affected, and if not to acquire the specimens they so desire.
2. Flashbacks experienced by the captain (whose identity will be revealed later on in the story) of all the key events and factors that have happened up to this point in time (2179), and factors that will have an effect on events yet to occur (Alien Resurrection).
Regards point one, I will reveal that as we go along, but regards point two, maybe you all can help. I'll start things off...
1. Why the USCSS Nostromo was chosen for the mission to carry out Special Order 937.
2. The why and how of the Nostromo's science officer being replaced with Ash while the vessel is docked at Thedus.
Now over to you guys...
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Svanya
AdminPraetorianApr-24-2012 2:58 PM@Spartacus; Don't you dare talk smack about my Bishop!!! T___T
@RickK; OMFG, that video game Xeno face looks like a SJ hose nose. O_O

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:02 PMThe site has a repository for all the non-canon stuff (called 'Banned Histories'). Making the rest of it, quite canonical, IMO. The contributors even invited criticism.
OK, for the sake of this W.I.P., let's assume the derelict throws up a shield protecting it from the HH blast. Continue.....

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-24-2012 3:05 PMlike i said i'm working of the films, so unless it states in aliens a distance with the blast radius then its fair game.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:06 PM[quote]@Spartacus; Don't you dare talk smack about my Bishop!!! T___T[/quote]
SORRY !
SPOKEN LIKE GILLY !!!
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:10 PMi like what Rick Posted a Lot...
I found this: screenshot from Alien Infestation Nintendo DS game, but I think it's more funny than anything...
[img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016142622/avp/images/5/51/Jockalien.jpg[/img]

Svanya
AdminPraetorianApr-24-2012 3:13 PM@Spartacus; Like I said, that game picture's Alien has a face that looks a heck of a lot like the nose of a SJ. :P

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:27 PM[b]@Svanya[/b]
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abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:29 PM"The 'Alien Resurrection' novel says the Derelict was destroyed in the AP station explosion, so logically, the Derelict must've been within the blast radius."
So I guess we're all clear since this W.I.P. is based on films only. Where were we?

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-24-2012 3:35 PMagain, the novel is not canon, only the films, unless it states in Aliens, Alien 3 or Alien rez that the derelict was in the blast radius, then it is fair game.
...In the novel of alien it says there is a petrified alien in the jockey room, but in the film there is nothing of the sort. not being funny but the films are the source, thus they are the canon.
not being an arse but trying to get across the point that only the films are canon.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-24-2012 3:41 PMsorry just saw your edited post!
whatever people think needs to be brought up, bring up people

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:48 PM@TheNextLV426...
shouldn't an LV-233 be relatively close to a LV-426? I'm "jst sayin'"
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abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:54 PMJust a thought here. The Sulaco had nukes. Ripley was hellbent on destroying the alien threat and any possibility that the company could come back an revisit the site. I believe it to require a suspension of disbelief on our part if we are to assume that Ripley left LV-426 without making absolutely sure that the explosion didn't encompass the derelict......else, she would have sent down nukes to the gird location (that we know she knew because she is the one that told the company).
So let's say she was distressed and forgot to dot this "i" and leave the system without making sure that the threat as far as LV-426 was concerned was over.
In addition, in Alien Res., why wouldn't they have gone back to LV-426 to the direct source, the derelict, instead of all that pain-staking dna/cloning stuff?

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 3:56 PM"1. The main story telling of a Weyland-Yutani R&D vessel landing on LV-426. Officially, they are there to ascertain the cause and damage caused by the destroyed Atmosphere Processor. Unofficially they are there to ascertain if the Derelict was affected, and if not to acquire the specimens they so desire."
If the Derelict was unaffected then there would be no need for Alien Res., no?

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-24-2012 3:59 PMnuking from orbit wasn't shown.
This synopsis is why they went through all the cloning stuff

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:00 PMthey still wanted Ripleys Queen...as it turned out IMO but that's a great point.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:01 PM[img]http://time.absoluteavp.com/pics/galmap.gif[/img]
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I found this image that kind of sheds some light as to where things are in THIS Alien/Aliens/Alien3 "universe". Well, to be precise, we're only talking about a small segment of the Milky Way Galaxy that humans would be able to get to.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:03 PM"This synopsis is why they went through all the cloning stuff"
Got it. I wasn't sure where you were heading with this. Now, I'm onboard.

Rick
MemberXenomorphApr-24-2012 4:05 PMOk, Snorky
For purposes of continuity and to add some more depth to what we're doing lets says like I have always been preaching the company has had a vessel in or around what is going on out in Z2R from about the time of aliens and out of sheer spite lets say the ship is ran by droids. Thus no ability to get infected by a xeno but are able to study, this removes your whole camera theory, albeit a little bit more convoluted. A whole covert science crew at HH running in parallel to the marines and keeping a low profile would make a whole lot of sense. This would lend credence to Call hitting the mainframe before blowing her modem and downloaded the companies black ops stuff.
Rick

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-24-2012 4:07 PMRick thats, similar, if a little OTT, to what I have in mind, will leak a little info before I retire to bed.

Svanya
AdminPraetorianApr-24-2012 4:11 PM@Rick; And THAT is why Annalee Call is my second fave android ever.

Rick
MemberXenomorphApr-24-2012 4:12 PMSnorky,
Right I agree but remember we went round and round about this from the following post:
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This is more for Snorky, but anyone is welcome to jump in if they wish. Ok, I have a theory about some things that don't add up from Alien through to Alien3.
Corporate Knowledge of the Derelict Signal and possibly the payload is almost a given anymore. Then take in the aspect of Prometheus coming out and how in the hell do you tie in all the Alien Franchise with the movie; the answer is corporate knowledge.
Alien - Aliens
What doesn't add up, no corp knowledge in Alien? Not a chance: Ash sends corporate the information he was gathering from the facehugger and the xeno. When Special Order 937 comes in and he's put in survey mode to only watch and report what happens. So the Corporation knows about LV-426 and sends in the shake and bake colony in Aliens but the coordinates are smoked with the Nostromo
Aliens
What doesn't add up here.
1. Bishop: 40 Minutes to crawl down there, 1 hour to patch in and align the antenna, and 50 minutes flight time. Thats 2.5 hours, not a chance, you'll see why. At this time Bishop has already gathered all of the data from his biopsy's of face huggers, and I am sure there were bodies in the morgue that he was examining.
2. Burke: Ok right before the full on assault Burke, where is Burke? I don't think Burke dumped the hugger flasks I will exaplain in detail once I get to Aliens 2.5. We all know he covered it up by shutting off the screen for the camera. Now during the full on assault by the xeno's of operations Burke hauls tail through the corridor and then locks the door and starts heading out like he's going somewhere, hmm......
Now on to Aliens 2.5
The corporation had full blown knowledge of the xeno during the entire movie series Alien - Alien 3, but could never get a live specimen. I think they had a ship tailing the Nostromo to record and analyze what happened once the Nostromo returned from the surface with an infected crew member.
Then why wouldn't the company also have a secondary science vessel already in orbit or arriving shortly after the Sulaco? Its there Multi-million dollar atmosphere processor and a multi-million dollar prize for the bio-weapons division, then to send a lowly henchman like Burke, c'mon really? Burke sent them to look for the ship and that was probably to get his cut of some crazy amount of money from one of his superiors.
I think there was a science team at Hadley's hope that was in contact with Burke and Bishop this explains the amount of time it takes for Bishop to get the drop ship, why he disappeared with the ship, and why Burke was runnign like he had somewhere to go when the xeno's came. Alot of the idiosyncrancies make sense when you look at it from the perspective that the corporation knew everything from day one.
Regards,
Rick

Rick
MemberXenomorphApr-24-2012 4:17 PMSnorks,
From that post I made way back in January why couldn't the eggs already be on the drop ship when Bishop remote piloted the ship down and had it do a small detour to the science team at the derelict while it was enroute to get them from HH. That would make sense since it really only takes about 10-20 minutes to land from space on such a small rock and the eggs hitting the Sulaco
Regards,
Rick

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:19 PMIn the meantime here is My #1 Image of how I, the Space jockey, Take a Bath !!!
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Svanya
AdminPraetorianApr-24-2012 4:29 PM@Spartacus; Lance Henriksen is awesome, look what he does for a fan in this link. Click--->[url=http://youtu.be/-SV-ZVTXQHI]Lance Henriksen "Bishop" performs knife trick on Sean Maio[/url]

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 4:41 PMI think there are a lot of plot points in Alien3 that do not make any sense at all.. (I wont even talk about AlienS because we could fill a book on the some of the idiotic things happening there), but anyway....
Without even realizing it, when Ripley is being scanned in the wreckage of the the lifepod, the data is being relayed back to the corporation apparently in REAL TIME?... and an acknowledgement message is received on the display screen almost immediately after Ripleys scan is finished?... Huhhhhh ?????
A Weyland frigate is on route and is only HOURS away from Fury 161? Huhhh????? ( I guess we are to assume that that vessel had already been dispatched a couple weeks earlier when the Sulaco is overdue?)
I dont know the name of the new vessel that arrives at Fury, but in the short shot of it in low orbit over the surface, if you look closely you can see its a frigate in the exact same configuration of the Sulaco... which is curious at it would indicate that Weyland already has its own fleet of combat captial ships with mercenary crews??? (We saw at least 2 of them in white accompanying Bishop at the end)... OK... if thats the case, why the hell did they have to have COLONIAL MARINES go to LV426???
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