Ridley Scott Ends 33+ year debate over Derelict & Eggs !

Man, I love being right. I should have archived all my posts, for bragging rights heheh.

Returning from this morning.. As I said in brief earlier today, in this post I see centrosphere, Kane77, artyoh, and Frantz all touching on my reaction to Ridley Scotts interview, in particular, centrosphere's entire 5:54 AM post. When I came away from seeing Alien in 1979, my thoughts and theories concerning the derelict ship went in several directions. For me, that created a conflict : they couldn't all be right and with that realization I am convinced to this very day that there exists no clear answer as to the nature or purpose of that ship. Alien exists and has existed since it was made as a complete, self contained expression of art of the highest order. No comments or discussion can change it from what it is....into something that somebody meant it to be or something that it should have been. It is what it is. I don't accept artistic license in reverse, that is introducing facts into evidence AFTER the fact, a classic ever-changing and evolving rationale designed solely to replace an existing reality with that of one with no relation to the former. What is it that they say in the UK...? BOLLOCKS Ridley Scott is the preeminent living director on the planet, bar none. I admire his talent and vision as much as I admire his business saavy, which I believe is at the root of this tendency for blarney on display now. I don't buy his explanations about Alien. But I'll sure as hell buy a ticket for Prometheus..probably two. Have at it, party people :)

Lethal cargo, ok... i'll take it.

[b]SWEETLY DONE "i LIKE IT... A LOT..."[/b] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1A1LOT.gif[/img]

Aww what the hell, I'm still flying Bell JetRangers while everybody else jumped on Eurocopters...whaddya gonna do..I yam what I yam

Snorkelbottom, "[i]Its a bomber carrying eggs, end of. The dimensions of the egg chamber are irrelevant in light of the official announcement, the Space Jockeys obviously have access to technology similar to Doctor Who, big deal[/i]." Sorry, but this sounds like a display of papal authority. This is an especulative forum, we are talking about works of fiction. We all have our preferences about how to consider style and narrative coherence. I think we should have the right to dissent _ EVEN from Scott himself who has creative freedom of course but also his commercial (and confessed) constraints and interests. So, maybe we agree in disagree.

I love how topics like this are so lively, fresh and debated as if Alien was released last summer. THIS is what is SOOO great about Alien. It is so extremely subject to interpretation through the prism of the viewer's mind (intellect, experiences, etc.). It is amazing to see a 33 year-old movie still having this lasting power of simply being what it intended to be.....mysterious. I personally have nothing invested in one side of a debate or another. I simply enjoy the never-ending speculation, analysis, re-analysis, re-speculation that still exists around THIS powerhouse of a masterpiece in movie-making. I just hope that I can continue to stay this way and not get locked into one side being the absolute only way/explanation for something. Remember that Alien is meant to be mysterious and confusing. That is how the crew felt and that is how the director wanted the audience to feel. I have no doubt that RS is "winging it" now just as he was "winging it" 33 years ago. RS and Co aren't thinking about these things even 10% of what some here are straining to reconcile. I say......just go with it....enjoy the ride......and have fun.

Exactly.

abordoli, I agree almost 100% with you. Maybe 99%... Of course you´re right in that we have different expectations and experiences here. I see things thru the eyes of someone who study the movie industry. That´s why sometimes I have to struggle with myself to not forget that this is not a professional forum but a fan forum. That said, I think that the works of the true fan sometimes amalgamate with the ones of the movie scholar. The fact is that the making of "Alien" is fully documented, the story about the Pyramid and it´s demise is widely known, and also are the compromises Scott and the screenwriters had to accomodate due to budget restrictions. There are many strange ways by which the hardness of doing real things influences with the world of fantasy, and movie budget restraints that change the movie script is one of the most subtle ones _ but it´s there anyway. The documented facts above, that happened 33 years ago, are the main reason (in addition to the purely geometrical ones) why I say that Scott is in the process of "remaking" the past in benefit of the present. This is not repreensible in any way, I just believe we should be able to see it as it is... cheers!

Posted Apr-25-2012 9:33 PM Quote: I'm glad to see you're not so horrifed by that two ship concept anymore Spartacus...you were very Hulk like in your anger... What bothered me about it is that that ship IMO is so Incredibly Unique that this sullies the uniqueness...never the less, it is Ridley's Piece to play with not mine and I have to accept it now! All the same I am sure he found a way to make that work...it's just that for 33+ years that Ship has been like a LOVER of mine. It is like finding out the Girl you thought was one of kind is actually a Frikkin' LOL..."REPLICANT"

The most interesting part is when he says that "Something had[b] evolved[/b] in the pilot's cargo..." "evolves" can be seen in thousands of ways, but if he means "evolving" literally, that "evolution" is possibly the final 8 minutes of prometheus with alien DNA, showing the pilot's cargo (maybe the urns) becoming the eggs (I know, this is another planet, but, since Ridley said that most of the movie is set in space, the derelict possibly crashes in LV-426 during its journey to earth)

Bump, People please do a search before making new threads for our more popular thoughts and ideas.