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I think the biggest clue we are all missing....In the ancient pictograms it shows a tall being showing humans to the stars/planets, if this alien was indeed a jockey i believe the drawers would have included something significant such as the jockey snout. I believe this being is the big blue guy. Also i believe the jockeys we know and love fell into the same trap the Prometheus crew fall into,there is a scene of jockeys running from something in the new trailer. So the big blue guys are the real evil? still doesnt explain the blue guy in the jockey chair tho? Maybe they manipulate a space jockey craft somehow? Space jockey and blue guy could be two completely different aliens and this exosuit idea the biggest red herring?
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The tall man in the ancient paintings is an Enineer the true creators of life on Earth as well as many other planets in the universe. The space jockys fell into the same trap the humans are falling into, once they had the technology they traversed space and arrived at LV-223. What they found was their creators(enigneers) either killed off completely or only a very few remaining. The engineers have succumbed to one of their own expirements some type of giant biological disaster(the giant "oil" spill in the ampoules room). The jockys probably meet literally the same fate as the humans once they arrive I.e some are killed in the temple awoke escape and bring the infection back to the rest spreading it more and more. Maybe the engineers create life but some seek to destroy it(an alien arms race) the jocky in the 79 alien wasn't going to earth he was infected and taking the infection back to his home world same with what Scott intended the ending for alien to be where the alien bites ripleys head off and speaks in her voice to control and heads for earth to bring the infection there. The blue guys or engineers are the bad guys even if it's not their intentions or they might not even see it as wrong doing. We will see.
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Well the Space Jockey in Alien looks Huge.... The SJ Suit next to the crew who are examining something maybe the head, looks huge. The Suits hanging on the wall behind Shaw in the scene where i suspect Shaw and David enter the Controll/Map/Bridge of the Derelict look big. I dont really see any slim suits, only two scenes do i see what looks like slender suits and thats in the new trailer via one of the crews Hud and the Space Jockey who is stood over Shaw. There are some differences, yes but then who is to say that the ribcage structure is just a small part that attaches to the suit just like the Helmet. Its thus a case of a Biker in Full Leather who then puts on a UV Vest and his Helmet as opposed to stepping into another Suit. Again i could be completely wrong. The other basis would be that we have the Blue Guys and the Space Jockeys aka running in the new trailer, hanging on walls behind Shaw and dead on the Derelict in Alien. I am going for big 9-10ft Humaniods in Space Suits. Thus it could be different fractions at war of the same race, i mean Mankind has been fighting for thousands of years and we will never ever see true peace.

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We have no concrete evidence either way, besides that Empire article, and I don't remember if it explicitly said that the blue guys wear the SJ suits or if it just called them Engineers.
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I've seen the sleeve-like cut off at the wrist appearance of the blue guy's arms standing above Shaw, but I'm not convinced it's supposed to represent a suit. In the close-up shot from the control panel where the Blue guy raises the chair, you can see much more detail......and it all looks [i]very[/i] organic/biomechanical; like musculature, tendons, etc. The suits on the plinth in the hallway from the promotional shot with Rapace, look essentially [i]just[/i] like the SJ in "Alien."
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Latest Idea: The SJ’s have terraformed and seeded many planets in attempts to replicate life in the form of their God - The giant head statue / symbol. The Blue Guys were another SJ created life form like us on another planet maybe similar to Earth and were also given probably pictographs to find their way someday to their creator the SJ’s. The Blue Guys have beaten us to the SJ’s by possibly hundreds or thousands years (in reaching LV-223). The Blue Guys are not nice earthlike beings and stole, tricked, and killed the SJ’s. They have figured out some of the SJ’s technology and have created some vile creatures in the process, but they have not figured everything out. I think David’s mind figures out the remaining secrets to the SJ technology that the Blue Guys need and want. As for the Derelict on LV-426, possibly took the worst of the Blue Guys evil creations away from them to prevent the spread of Xenos or worse, escaped off of LV-223 and had to ditch on LV-223 due to the Cargo coming in contact with the pilot? Chew away (with two sets of jaws)
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@CantSpaceJockTheRock But why would the Blue Guy then need to replicate the Suit or near enough of the Space Jockey and it would be even more bizare if the Jockey was a lifeform with a snout and not a Suit. [img]http://i.imgur.com/9EAsR.gif[/img] Yes longer looking snout but simular. [img]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5634/davidonnery4.gif[/img] Blue Guys, and if you look you can see same kind of rip cage structure in the suits. The only differences are the masks the other are weaing the snout seems longer and moves side to side. But thats assuming that the guy who sits in the chairs snout does not extend? Also the head they find that looks like the mask wore by guy in the chair scene, also apears to have a human head inside from the still from the Jockey Head Explode Scene. Also explain why the Head Statue looks Human, the Egyptian, Sumarian and Titan Gods are all depicted as Human looking only double our size. We see 3 Hologram Blue Guys, we See 3 Hologram running Space Jockeys and we see 3 sarcophagus that look different to the other one. I think maybe those with Ridley saying guy in suit to me makes me think we are seeing Humaniod Grey Guys in Suits. Again i could be wrong, i guess we will find out in a few weeks.

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Then it's a bad costume or make up job, imo, if it's part of his body. Looks like long underwear. They should have blended it into the hands and neck better. The suits in the hallway are the 'slim' ones I'm talking about. The limbs are longer proportioned and thinner than the blue guy's. Then there is the dead, headless SJ, who is also thin. Could be a number of explanations though, I'm just speculating (wishing). Could be that the blue guy only walks around with part of the suit on, and all that needs to be added are gloves, boots, and helmet.
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Thadus 12
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big dave thanx 4 that post,i never seen that 2nd pic before
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The rib cage structure is common to the xeno also. It's just a Giger aesthetic for humanoids. But I feel dumb now. Three blue guys in the hologram, three running SJ suits. Dave is probably watching an entire sequence of events play out as he walks around the ship. Damn. But I did cover my ass by saying it's possible they just throw on more suit pieces ;)
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Well those ideas are indeed very interesting and i guess we can only find out for sure when we see the movie. The Mural does no show anything to do with the Jockey as in the being that resembles Gonzo from the Muppets. Maybe its just a sign and warning from Gonzos race to us? I get what you mean by the Space Suits hanging up look like Suits, do you guys think. 1) That the Jockey Suit is a Suit worn by some other bieng other than Blue Guys. 2) Its a suit worn by the Blue Guys. 3) Its not a suit but a actual lifeform i.e that snout/elephant mask is no mask. But then the dead jockey in the one scene after the entrance and near the Statue does look like those hanging up behind Shaw in the one image. The head of it they take back to Prometheus but if you look at the exploding head scene you can make out a humaniod head just like the statue and the helmet they pick up looks more like the one worn by the guy in the Chair at the end of this movie as opposed to the one in Alien. I think many people are a little disapointed with the Humaniod in Suit theory as opposed to that the Alien Space Jockey was a Skeleton and Skull as opposed to a mask/helmet. But then i bring you back to the statue and the ancient civilisations links, all their Gods look like tall Humans. End of the day we all have different views. Personelly if your right and the SJs are Gods and Engineers/Blue Guys servents or vice versa or one race left trap for another, i think it would be very interesting. But how would you feel if its just a bunch of big bald guys in suits?

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What something looks like, doesn't matter nearly so much as what it does.
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The suit is like a bio hazard suit probably anyone can wear it. Possibly it changes to accommodate the host? The jocky from alien was a completely different alien race than anything we've seen so far? They have the experimental disaster grab their suits and try to dip maybe only one makes it off the planet and that's the one who later crashes on the neighboring planet of LV-426.
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@Biehn_Bandit Your theory is very interesting and maybe more fun than the guys in suits ;) I do notice some differences though. So who knows. As far as the Arms, well there was a discussion before about the size of the orginal Jockeys arms and the new ones in the chair. And i said the Arms of the new Jockey are bent at the elbow, i messured the difference from his shoulder to his elbow compared to his elbow to his wrists, i then did the same with the Blue Guy walking and the guy in the Suit in Alien had longer limps but the one in this movie had midget arms compared to even the Blue Guy. The reason the angles. While the suits on wall may look like the arms are very long, if you stand straight up with hand at your sides your arms and hands should seem more longer than when you walk. Another big clue to me is the first big Dead Jockey scene we saw, and potentially the scene where they pick up the Space Jockey head. If thead head belongs to that suit..... 1) The Suit looks like the one hanging on the walls. 2) The Helmet/Head looks more like the one on the guy who sits in the chair at the end of the movie. 3) The Helmet/Head explodes and something jumps out, if you take a look at a still you see a head that looks like the statue i.e humaniod. [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwnsasSzBB1qmz9r9o1_400.png[/img] Helmet/Head the crew take back [img]http://www.badhaven.com/wp-content/gallery/spacejockey/space-jockey-1.jpg[/img] Jockey Head Production cast/concept. note looks like above one but snout longer. [img]http://unpaintedalienkits.com/Space_Jockey__first_cast__head_2.jpg[/img] Alien Production first cast, ignore where snout meets ribcage and imagine mouth closed, it looks simular to the Jockey Head in Prometheus on the Table. [img]http://i48.tinypic.com/2el9yet.jpg[/img] The scene where the head/helmet they found explodes... note looks like a head within the helmet/head. compare last image with. [img]http://moviecarpet.com/iwave/images/16/o-prometheus-movie-photos.jpg[/img] Again maybe i am wrong, i kinda hope i am as the Blue Guy vs Jockey sound more of a fun plot.

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The blue guy and the person in the chair in the trailers could be the same person, but the Alien and wall SJ still has longer arms. Believe me, I've studied the human body and anatomy in every conceivable position for 20 years. Angles cannot fool me. But if I had to choose, I'd say that the proportions of the Blue guy and the seated person are closer than those of the Blue guy and the Alien/wall SJ. But movies being movies, there could be several inconsistencies between scenes, which is why it's so hard to be certain.
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The "Alien" SJ [i]did[/i] have very long, slender arms....but it was also clearly intended to be significantly larger than any of the figures, suits etc. we see in "Prometheus." Of course, if the blue guy [i]is[/i] an evolved [i]human[/i] version of an SJ, that could resolve any issues of relative proportions.
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Based on what have seen so far the elephantine jockeys are no longer. Judging by the fact their suits are left hanging behind Shaw, one cryo bed has a hole in it and many of them are dead and have been for sometime by the looks of it leaves me to believe the blue guy is the king now. The blue guy seems taller, slender, more built and not even remotely elephantine. In fact, The hologram that shows all three in the orrery room all have their mask off by the looks of it and the ones running down the hall have their mask on and the suits are the exact same. Likely the same dudes! Looks like serious crap went down and they had to jet back to their ship. Perhaps they met the little creepy crawlies and cobra snake and thought they could get out of there before it got really crazy. IMO, the blue guy runs the roost and the SJ's are dead. Why only one blue guy.....who knows! Also, the chisled sculptured face in the temple looks oughly like the blue guy. The real question I am trying to solve is why the blue guy is running the elephantine folks shuttle. How did he acquire it and where is his own shuttle.
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[quote]CantSpaceJockTheRock Member Send PM REPORT DELETE POST› Posted Apr-30-2012 7:32 PM | Moderate The suit is like a bio hazard suit probably anyone can wear it. Possibly it changes to accommodate the host? The jocky from alien was a completely different alien race than anything we've seen so far? They have the experimental disaster grab their suits and try to dip maybe only one makes it off the planet and that's the one who later crashes on the neighboring planet of LV-426.[/quote] Like a Guyver unit? I always thought that myself, and even went as far as thinking that a human could possibly wear one of those suits if they had no other choice.......
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so let me get this all straight, you guys see these freaking absolutely eye popping fantastically creative images and you decide to have a fashion critique session? Not trying to provoke just enlighten you...come on guys look at how beautiful this film is, do you really think when you are in the theater watching it that Ridley is going to allow you to be exposed to defective images of long underwear looking goofy spacesuits on dumb looking elephantile creatures...honestly I have to say that already, the images and video footage I have seen to be spectacular and a wonder to behold and have given me hope for the future of the genre itself. I think this thing is already shoe in Oscar Winner in 2013 for Art Direction, Best Director, and yes, best Picture. It is going to Knock Down Walls that have been standing for no good reason in Hollywood for almost 125 years. I think you guys need to have some faith in Ridley Scott and his design team.
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Are some folks [i]still[/i] not believing that the large variety blue guys [i]are[/i] the SJs, and that the elephantine figures are simply Sjs in environment suits?

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