The real nature of LV-223

Spartacus, Sorry. As I have already said in another thread, I´m not a native speaker of english. Of course by "ring" I didn´t mean "planetary rings", but "defense rings", [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringfort]a concept[/url] commonly used in military issues. Concerning the "answer" to my "own question": How could I answer a question that I don´t know how to answer? I asked in bona fide, just to see what other people think. For the rest of your talk it seems you´re trying some irony, which I will politely ignore because they are ill placed. Also I must say that it is very strange for a staff to treat a visitor like that... Abordoli, Two takes on your idea of subsurface defenses: a) We know that in the movie, the Prometheus lands, the crew visits the Domes, etc. This is letting a lot more of a lead to potential enemies than the US Air Force would concede to a unregistred airplane approaching the american airspace. So I think that if the Engineers or whatever race uses LV-223 as an outpost (nice, I forgot this), they left it strangely vulnerable. b) It´s my conviction that any space defense system must be based in orbit if you want negate access to the planet surface. Planets are "gravity wells", rockets or other kind of propeller-based artifacts must spend much energy and time to reach the escape velocity of planets, and it´s not rational to have your defenses there. But I do agree that we know close to nothing about the Engineers offensive capability (although we know that their ship seems to be a dead duck unable to evade or take offensive action against Prometheus, by what we see in the trailer).

Spartacus, Sorry. As I have already said in another thread, I´m not a native speaker of english. Of course by "ring" I didn´t mean "planetary rings", but "defense rings", [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringfort]a concept[/url] commonly used in military issues. Concerning the "answer" to my "own question": How could I answer a question that I don´t know how to answer? I asked in bona fide, just to see what other people think. For the rest of your talk it seems you´re trying some irony, which I will politely ignore because they are ill placed. Also I must say that it is very strange for a staff to treat a visitor like that... Abordoli, Two takes on your idea of subsurface defenses: a) We know that in the movie, the Prometheus lands, the crew visits the Domes, etc. This is letting a lot more of a lead to potential enemies than the US Air Force would concede to a unregistred airplane approaching the american airspace. So I think that if the Engineers or whatever race uses LV-223 as an outpost (nice, I forgot this), they left it strangely vulnerable. b) It´s my conviction that any space defense system must be based in orbit if you want negate access to the planet surface. Planets are "gravity wells", rockets or other kind of propeller-based artifacts must spend much energy and time to reach the escape velocity of planets, and it´s not rational to have your defenses there. But I do agree that we know close to nothing about the Engineers offensive capability (although we know that their ship seems to be a dead duck unable to evade or take offensive action against Prometheus, by what we see in the trailer). @forever war, Well from the little we can see, the planet seems barren indeed. I don´t know if there isn´t water; we can see clouds and even snow, but we don´t know if this is condensed water. From the solar system experience, moons gravitating gas giants (as the big ringed planet in the sky seems to be) use to be icy moons or sterile rocks; LV-223 is a different kind, maybe. @BioShock, They don´t seem so elusive; after all, they visited Earth and left an "invitation"... Yes they are mighty builders. Also, the very Domes also seems artificial.

If I'm not mistaken don't most 'rings' or Perimeter Defenses need the use of personnel or armed sentries to be effective? Take Area 51 for example, it's basically a bunch of sensors that are set off when you breach the perimeter. . . . THEN the guys with machine guns show up to either scare you off or shoot you and feed you to the dobermans. Military bases may have razor wire, but without armed LIVING personnel the fences would fall into disrepair, and there would be no one to stop an intruder. Wasn't there a recent post about this Jockey/Engineer being a survivor? Kinda like waking up a mummy. . . The Ancient Egyptians wouldn't have let an archeologist any where near the Pyramids a few thousand years ago . . . but now. . . . Maybe the crew would have had better luck if they let Brendan Fraser lead the expedition.

Wait a minute......there are people on this thread questioning the alien [i]aesthetics[/i] of this movie........as if they have any more idea than anyone else would?! At least the weathered, monolithic forms, "classical" motifs and, [i]cavern[/i]ous interiors of the Engineer artworks and spaces, all suggest something very ancient and timeless. By comparison, the 8 wheeled SUV in this movie looks no more "futuristic" than stuff that was being dreamed up in the 70s. I'm not dogging the design, it's fine....I'm just sayin' I don't think we are remotely capable of imagining what alien "aesthetics" might be like......assuming that notion had any meaning for them at all.

centrosphere Thanks for the comeback, I was curious as to whether you took note of the snow specifically that's in the opening trailer shot, the "contrail" shot. From the beginning of the publicity onslaught for the film I've been as wary as anyone else as to "what is " " what isn't" and "what might be"...especially the trailers. I don't think it is Prometheus making that contrail, I think it's another ship from Earth and the contrail shot is actually near to the end of the film. The trailer is quite willing to show us Prometheus airborne many times, but not in closeups along that particular trajectory. This other ship finds a planet with an abundance of water, under which now lie the temple complex...no visible trace. The area in which Prometheus lands has a resmeblance to a lake or ocean floor..flat with odd rocks dotting its surface. Possibly when the ground opens up in the large scale mechanical action scene, the planet is flooded with water. causing the dust storm seen racing towards Prometheus, a shock wave of global dimensions. The waterfall scene is part of this flooding. Somewhere in this film is the result of filming large scale water sequences done in Spain....there is a huge amount of the story unseen in images and the subject of extrordainary secrecy.

centrosphere Thanks for the comeback, I was curious as to whether you took note of the snow specifically that's in the opening trailer shot, the "contrail" shot. From the beginning of the publicity onslaught for the film I've been as wary as anyone else as to "what is " " what isn't" and "what might be"...especially the trailers. I don't think it is Prometheus making that contrail, I think it's another ship from Earth and the contrail shot is actually near to the end of the film. The trailer is quite willing to show us Prometheus airborne many times, but not in closeups along that particular trajectory. This other ship finds a planet with an abundance of water, under which now lie the temple complex...no visible trace. The area in which Prometheus lands has a resmeblance to a lake or ocean floor..flat with odd rocks dotting its surface. Possibly when the ground opens up in the large scale mechanical action scene, the planet is flooded with water. causing the dust storm seen racing towards Prometheus, a shock wave of global dimensions. The waterfall scene is part of this flooding. Somewhere in this film is the result of filming large scale water sequences done in Spain....there is a huge amount of the story unseen in images and the subject of extrordainary secrecy.

@artyoh "Wait a minute......there are people on this thread questioning the alien aesthetics of this movie" Sure, why not? We've been questioning everything else about this movie. "I don't think we are remotely capable of imagining what alien "aesthetics" might be like" And yet the people making this film have clearly done so. I think this is a fascinating subject for discussion. Perhaps if we were talking about actual aliens I might agree with you but we're talking about fictional aliens with fictional aesthetics given to them by screen writers/production designers/etc. I'd like to understand those people's motives for making such a large gap between the aesthetics/apparent level of technology on display in the temples and in the alien ship.

The planet used to be green and lush and full of life... until the SJs arrived and hoovered everything up to make their bio-materials. Damn those SJs!!! Someone needs to take an axe to them.

@Spartacus: "..And..the fact that planet has no apparent defenses...?" I was responding to Centrosphere's thought that no orbital defences could = planet sized trap. I was following this thought and wondered if each dome is (or becomes) a personalised trap/headstone for each visiting species. So the SJs could have set the traps or just be a dead mouse in the next trap along.

Why would the SJs ever need defenses if they were the only living organism at the time they settled on the planet?... If we suppose these creatures are the creaters of life and that they probably left the planet thousands of years ago due some sort of climate catastrophe or something else, this could explain why there wouldn't be any other species left on the planet... The derelect beneath the temple is maybe one of a few left behind with actual SJs inside of it including the engineered species in the canisters. I'm only guessing of course...

@TexasDeathTip, "[i]If I'm not mistaken don't most 'rings' or Perimeter Defenses need the use of personnel or armed sentries to be effective?[/i] " You´re right; this is the very reason I think LV-223 isn´t a base or outpost. @Forever War, "[i]Somewhere in this film is the result of filming large scale water sequences done in Spain[/i]." I didn´t know but...are you sure? This information doesn´t appear at the leaked credits of the movie...there is a "Iceland Unit", but not a "Spain Unit"... Personally I think that we will not see a second human ship in the movie. I have some reasons, see: This is the original "contrail" scene, with snow in the mountains: [img]http://greglouden.net/reel_contrails.png[/img] Here, you see Prometheus producing the contrail: [img]http://greglouden.net/contrail2.png[/img] Also, if you examine closely some of the scenes in the "temple complex valley", you will see that there snow in the mountains, also: [img]http://www.projectprometheus.com/assets/2/245409.jpg[/img] Of course in the end you could be right; we simply don´t know much about the movie, actually. But these are my hints.

"@TexasDeathTip, "If I'm not mistaken don't most 'rings' or Perimeter Defenses need the use of personnel or armed sentries to be effective? " You´re right; this is the very reason I think LV-223 isn´t a base or outpost." Well that's the thing . . I think it IS an outpost. An outpost devoid of defenders because they're either dead, or have fled for their lives, or both. Whether it was abandoned, or the SJ's/Engineers were overrun by whatever they were tinkering with, or a combination of the 2. That would leave the outpost left alone for possibly thousands of years without the necessary personnel to repel borders. One of the interviews with RS referred to a "survivor" they find there. We've seen the stills of the dead SJ's which would indicate that they fell victim to their own creations (or collected organisms). Or possibly even experimented on each other. For whatever reason there is a mean son of a b!#(# remaining. It's also probable that we're going to come away with more questions than answers, especially since they seem to be setting up a sequel. . . . Cliffhanger Ending?

I must have read here quite a few times but why do you all keep coming up will LV-223? Unless you are refeering to one-or-moe of the ringed planetary system I was under the impression that the small planetoid both the Nostromo and the Sulaco went into orbit over was called LV-426. Ripley say's so to the board of inquiry, unless she is refeering to the gas giant as Polyphenus is to Pandora so LV-426 is to the smaller planetoid so in the regard, I could be wrong on that one though I think I am instinctively correct on this one and that you are all pronouncing the name wrong for the planetary systems own officila Terran designation. But if there is evidenced information that points to the contrary I would like to read-up on that to see where exactly I may have missed that one... Keep me posted if you can but I do think the correct terminology is LV-426 for the small planetoid that all three expiditions vist succesively...

I must have read here quite a few times but why do you all keep coming up will LV-223? Unless you are refeering to one-or-moe of the ringed planetary system I was under the impression that the small planetoid both the Nostromo and the Sulaco went into orbit over was called LV-426. Ripley say's so to the board of inquiry, unless she is refeering to the gas giant as Polyphenus is to Pandora so LV-426 is to the smaller planetoid so in the regard, I could be wrong on that one though I think I am instinctively correct on this one and that you are all pronouncing the name wrong for the planetary systems own officila Terran designation. But if there is evidenced information that points to the contrary I would like to read-up on that to see where exactly I may have missed that one... Keep me posted if you can but I do think the correct terminology is LV-426 for the small planetoid that all three expiditions vist succesively...

Ok, who goes first? I just can't...anymore. I mean, really.

...it's like the ghost driver going: "Oh man, so many ghost drivers!?"

wheres A L I E N F A N when you need him!

HAL9000, It was [url=http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/2012/04/prometheus-footage-screening-and-qa-report/]long established[/url] that the action in Prometheus happens on LV-223. It´s probably a moon of the big planet. This is a literal transcription of the dialogue of a scene, from the 15 minutes lenght footage shown some weeks ago: “The constellation shown in the pictograms was so far away that the there is no way the civilisations that appear to have made them could have known about it, but we do. We know it has a sun, and we know it has an Earth-like planet. And this is where we are now.” And, they say, it is LV-223 - probably on the same star system than LV-426.

@centrosphere: Ha-ha! I KNOW that. My comments were directed @THE M O N O L I T H, thought that was pretty obvious. JP...please say something or my systems will shut down! ;-)

is this Tomfoolery still going on!!!!