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SO...what happens to Wrinkly Weyland?

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Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:01 AM
POSSIBLE EXISTING SPOILERS IN THEORY....So Weyland is on his ship. A man in his position and with his ambition, having a choice of spending his remaining years on earth or being first to experience and get his hands on alien technology..well, it's no choice really. The David8 model on board is pre programmed for Weyland and is protecting the old man and his scheme. Weyland has made him more of an artificial son than a standard model. When they touch down and it's established that there is indeed a ship on the planet, David is tasked with deciphering how the tech works, including how to navigate and fly the vessel. The bio-helmet (complete with head inside) they recover is scanned, and from it, information gained as to how to replicate the technology. During the mission, tension flares between Vickers and David. Vickers is aware that her father seems to care more for his creation than her. Whilst chaos ensues around them with the crew that Weyland sees now as more expendable than useful, Weyland plans to be taken to the temple by David and steal the ship and pilot it to earth. He wants to be like Prometheus and steal the fire from the gods. He says as much to Vickers who warns him, " If you go down there, you'll die". Weyland has learnt a great deal from the impregnation of Shaw and the effects of the alien bio material on his human crew. Under the cover of all the fighting, David takes Weyland and fits him into the juggernauts pilot chair using the adapted helmet they have built using the advanced 3d printing devices on board (Weyland built of course). He's a little small for it..but they've made some adaptations and the chair "blends" with it's new pilot. At this point, as David is setting the path for Earth (having found the globe in the vast 3d star map)...the ship starts to launch, but the ENGINEER (a being created by the original SJ's, who turned on them savagely), which Weyland and David believed was occupied assaulting the Prometheus (something that David8 facilitated by letting it on board to finish off the crew who were wise to his plan), enters the chamber.... David has previously encountered the engineer in the chamber whilst examining the star map and in a spine tingling encounter, it chose (?) not to harm him...possibly seeing him as a non-sentient being, however, now as the engineer goes to attack Weyland in the pilots chair, David reacts to defend him and there is a short struggle during which Davids head is wrenched off. The remaining crew on the Prometheus, are now fully aware of the extent of Weyland's plan and know where the ship is about to head to. They know what is on board and that Weyland has used them all as expendables. They realise what will happen if Weyland unleashes the technology on earth and those on the Prometheus, most of them infected in some way set a noble suicide course to destroy the vessel. Vickers however wants to live...she doesn't want her hated father to be the cause of her death and so she takes one of the escape pods. The ships collide. The Prometheus hull is no match for the bio-mech ship, but it knocks it off course and sends it plunging towards the ground. The engineer falls during the collision, just as he was about to rip Weyland from the chair. He manipulates the controls in the room and the ships speed decreases as it wrenches itself from the gravitational pull and comes to a halt nose down. No idea beyond that except that....like the end of Alien where Ripley has to go around the ship to find Jonesy....for some reason Shaw and Vickers will go back into the derelict..possibly to find David....who may still be streaming them video. Possibly to find Weyland...or possibly because it's the only way off this rock....if they can kill the engineer......it'll be nerve jangling!!! Just my thoughts at the moment.....any comments?
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SXV

MemberOvomorphMay-11-2012 12:10 AM
and his punishment will be getting turned into an evil baby... sequel hook! F E T U S

The High Priest

MemberOvomorphMay-11-2012 2:51 AM
Mithra and Big Dave - Probably some of the best speculation of the Prometheus plotline I have read. Well done!

Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:12 AM
I also envisage Weyland after surviving the crash being pinned in and unable to exit the pilots chair...either leaving him in a sticky position with the engineer, or, having been infected in some way already..not being able to move as the life form growing inside him bursts out through the ribbing harness on the chair...the cargo of ampules either being mutated into eggs as part of the bio mech ship being damaged or through deliberate manipulation in some earlier part of the film (or sequel - which will get the ship to the other planet where we find it in ALIEN). Who knows....I hope there is more than one ship over the course of this film and any sequels.

NoXWord

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:24 AM
All plot speculations have Weyland playing a major part. And what if he's on the Prometheus just to see its final destination and then just dies (of old age or killed by someone something) in the process? If done correctly it would be a much more masterful touch rather than him becoming the supreme evil or supreme good (a bit like first Kane, and then Dallas dying after building an expectation of them being the main characters). Just thinking aloud.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

Frantz

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:34 AM
We dont know if hes alive We dont know if hes in the ship We dont know which kind of relactionship he have with vickers so its all a big speculation based on fake rumors . But of course everything can be ....to be honest i think the focus of the real plot will be more of the "creation" affair and "monsters" ..

Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:34 AM
cool....I don't think Weyland will come off as the supreme evil/good in the movie...i think that will be left to the local inhabitants.... i do think he'll come across as an arch manipulator with a singleminded, merciless desire to succeed. Either way....after his big reveal....I'm sure the plot will thicken :)

David 1

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:35 AM
NoXWord: Weyland: "I have a secret to tell you people..." Shaw: "yes... go on..." Weland: "The greatest answer to the Universal secret is mnhaaaaaaaaegh..." [and dies]
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:39 AM
hey Frantz.....its only a theory...speculation.....just having some imaginative fun...thats why it says "theory" at the start....I'm sure whatever it is, it'll be fantastic :)

belladonna

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 1:10 PM
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BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 9:04 AM
@Frantz Nope there is clues and proof...... Ok we see the old guy in the trailers correct? Now look at the Cast List we know all the main cast and not so main, the ship has 17 crew and one Andriod..... including 4 Mercs and 4 Mechanics (guys in silver suits) now i have seen in the trailers and screens 2 Mechanics (confirmed one matched to Actor in Cast List) and 3 Mercs (confirmed 2 in cast list) that leaves some we cant confirm due to not seeing close ups of faces, but look at the cast list and i cant find anything on one Merc (CC Smiff) so is that the old guy? What a old frail Merc......? Why play Guy Pierce in just a cameo? He is founder of Weyland Ind, he seeks to advance his knowledge and Tech in the goal of advancing our Technology as far as he can. He funds this mission, this mission that could potentially be the biggest discovery of mankind. Vickers Room has Technology that on Weylands Site is said to be able to self support life for upto 50 years and it also has Cryo Chamber etc. (Maybe Weyland has another one of these self contained rooms that may also act as a escape pod on the planet already? Weyland is so proud of his findings, he thinks he is some kind of God. MAJOR SPOILER SPECULATION ---- MAJOR SPOILER SPECULATION ---- - - - - - Now i have acounted the 17 crew and David, i have not yet seen in trailers clearly 4-5 of the Mercs/Engineers but the idea of OAP Mercs and Engineers dont sit well. Why book Guy Pierce for a Cameo? Now in the French Magazine Interview with the special effects team where they had a shot of the Space Jockey Suits the Actors wear, that team said they had to do some other make up for one of the actors. and they said Guy Pierce apears in the movie in various guises. Thats a clue that Guy Pierce will be in OAP Make Up. Ridley said this movie has a hint of Blade Runner to it.... how? really? Well i think this is where.... Replicants. Now they are just like David only they are more Organic than Synthetic.... Ridley hinted there may be more than one Andriod.... so we are all thinking that Vickers is one.... Nope their is another Andriod on the ship hidden, and what i feel Weylands Agenda is this... Take Andriod 2, use the Engineers secrets of creating/modify life i.e their Fire to combine that with the Andriod and thus change Mechanical Andriod to Bio Mechanical and thus Change a David 8 Synthetic to a Replicant. Then using the synapse restabilizer and other Tech, Weyland hopes to use that newly created Replicant (Bio Mech Andriod) as a Host to implant and transfer Weylands mind, and memories into. Thus Weyland manages to escape the clutches of natural death that occurs to our Human Boddies..... This is Weylands Agenda..... Weyland is Prometheus. But i think it does not go to plan..... and also his actions would upset the Engineer, as last of his race he knows that Mankind know where to find the Engineers homeworld or outpost and we also try to steal and figure out there tech.... once/if this last Engineer dies.... Mankind will then be able to take and use the Engineers Fire and then become the new Gods.... Hence why Engineer wants to wipe us out! - - - - END MAJOR SPOILER SPECULATION --- END MAJOR SPOILER SPECULATION ----

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David 1

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:12 AM
well, as for weyland: 1 - he did die 2 - he didn't die and is aboard the Prometheus 3 - he did die but passed his persona to David 4 - he did die and he didn't pass his persona do David that's all i can say for now.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:18 AM
@Big Dave....Sweet....some interesting sleuthing there. I think there is something between our two speculations here. I think whatever happens, that a new generation of Prometheus / Alien fans will get a whole deeper perspective on the sheer ruthlessness of Weyland industries through whatever is played out in this film. I agree with Frantz that the majority of the film will focus on creation and monsters (woo hoo)...but that there will be a multi threaded plot, and after the reveal later on that Weyland is in fact alive and there with them...then the heroes / heroins will have external AND internal enemies to deal with.... it'll be mega...flipfloptastic!

Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:20 AM
@David1....I agree.. or option 5: He's actually Grandpa Simpson and his family never come and visit.

Thadus 12

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:23 AM
@Mithra Read your thesis, good stuff there, you could be right on the money with that one. Weyland replicating the Space Jockey suit was particularly intruiging. There were a lot of people saying that the shot of the suit in the chair was way too small and the arms werent long enough, it could make perfect sense now if its a human in the suit? All speculation of course, but good fun

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 9:28 AM
I would be willing to bet that the old guy is Weyland.... I would go as far to say that if it is not i would change my user name to BigDave knows Naff All or Dave the Clown lol.... Or if you lived local i would buy a round of drinks if Weyland is not the old guy. Here are some things i am willing to stick my neck out on... 1) Weyland is the old guy 2) Shaws Baby is not the Proto Xeno 3) The Space Jockeys and Engineers are the same 4) There is one Engineer left 5) No crew turn into Engineers 6) We wont see the Xeno in this movie. 7) There will be a scene that leads to Alien just not set in 2090 8) The Xenos was created a long time before Prometheus. 9) Vickers is not a Andriod. 10) lol God dont exist.... If proven wrong on any of those i would eat humble pie and do a forfit.

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SaintsSinphony

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:30 AM
i havn't thrown a weyland speculation out so yet (bout time huh?) but here goes I do think it's possible Weyland is aboard the Prometheus and the mercenaries are keeping him secret where I differ is, I think David really dosn't want the crew to be harmed. I almost wonder if David goes to help weyland at first but Vickers gets him to see that he would be hurting the rest of the crew by helping weyland (hence the scene of them arguing) the engineer dudes probably get upset with all this tomfoolery going on in their temple, ship, base whatever and decide to hurt weyland and crew David probably does communicate with engineers first or atleast figures out their technology (somewhat) and then weyland gets involved

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 9:33 AM
@Thadus12 I have in other threads explained why the Pilot looks small, its to do with angles etc.... I also worked out the Alien Chair was about 16ft making the Alien Jockey 12ft give or take a foot due to angle. If Prometheus Chair is 16ft then the Pilot is just over 9ft again give or take due to the angle. Take a Photo of someone in a Car from outside with there arms straight and head right up against the seat with the seat reclined.... so there head is at the top of the chair.... Now take another with that person slouched down so head its lower than the chairs headrest and have that person bend their arms. The person would now look about 1/5th smaller and their arms about 1/3 smaller.

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beyondthebloodplain

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:36 AM
@Mithra Intelligent, cohesive, and creative guess at the plot! Some aspects seem too "Star Trek" to me - such as humans (or our robots) figure out alien technology and can become proficient in its use without killing themselves first. Also, Vickers may have sprung from Weyland's knickers, but the fact that Michelle Yeoh was at one time considered for the role suggests another origin for her... Also, anyone notice any similarity between "Vickers' quarters" and the interior shot of the Weyland Industries lifeboat (about 1/2 way down the page [url=https://www.weylandindustries.com/security] here...[/url]?

Thadus 12

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:37 AM
@Bigdave Yeah i could be completely wrong about that,it just made sense with what Mithra had written, still... that space jockey doesnt look right to me, could be they're still doing some post-production on it ?????????????

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 9:47 AM
I think they went for a redesign to make the Jockey looks smaller... But then again.... who is to say that these Engineers are all the same height? [img]http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/17/article-1297958157343-0D3D11D6000005DC-912802_465x668.jpg[/img] These are two Human Females but they are not near same size... so maybe as Humans can average from 5-7ft (actually 4ft10 to 6ft10) why cant Engineers be from 9-12ft? One point that must be made is look at the Chairs look at some parts of the Chair compare the size of those parts in Alien to the Jockeys head, then compare the same parts in Prometheus chair to Prometheus Jockeys head and the % of size are the same.

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Thadus 12

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:49 AM
Ha ha love the pic btw

NoXWord

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 9:55 AM
That's misleading, we can clearly see that the woman at the back is taller because she is wearing platforms and higher heels, while the shorter one doesn't wear platform and has shorter heels. It's an optical illusion, don't be fooled!
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

beyondthebloodplain

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 10:01 AM
@NoXWord Take their shoes off and the lady in front is now barely peeking over the nipples of the amazon queen!

gameover man

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 10:09 AM
I assume no one here is actually saying that the shot we get of the individual in the big chair looks smaller than the guy they find in Alien because of angles, illusions, etc....?

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 10:15 AM
lol...... Yes take of the heels.... thats my point with the Pilots some may think the one in Prometheus is just man sized.... the one in Alien 15ft... no they are not. The small woman is 5ft2" the tall Woman is 6ft8" The shoes are not really part of the illusion as they both have heels only one may be 2" more... If we took a photo of them seperate that 6ft8" women would look what.... Model Height and thus 5ft10 to 6ft, and that other model we could assume could be like 5ft6" There is about 18" height difference but it looks like its more but its not, and if we saw both women in seperate images against black background they would look a lot less than 18" difference.... This is part of the illusion of the Alien Jockey and Prometheus. Alien Jockey i would assume to be 11-12ft, Prometheus one 9-10ft and thus i think we looking at about 2ft difference.

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NoXWord

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 10:26 AM
I am amazed at how people could take my statement seriously.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 10:28 AM
@gameover man I am ;) Yes the Arms dont look right, and indeed the one in Alien looks longer, but the Arms on the Prometheus one looks smaller due to the angle by smaller i means looks smaller than his arms actually are. I am not saying Alien Pilot and Prometheus Pilot are the same size as i said the Alien one i think is 11-12ft tall but the angles make it look larger. The Prometheus one is about 9-10ft tall but the angles make it look smaller. Take a friend and sit him in a convertable Car with the Seat reclined back and take a photo of him as upright as he can be and then another with him slouched down as far as he can be. He would look at least 1foot taller in the one image compared to the other. I dont think the Prometheus Pilot is man sized, we had this discussion when someone posted a new image of him next to the chair and some was saying... see he is way smaller than the Alien one, look at Chair he has to be man sized, he must be David 8 etc... Only i noticed in back ground in same shot well poor David and his size difference which ruled out the David 8 and Man Sized theory. But when you can have a Man whos 5ft and another whos 7ft why would all the Engineers be 9ft? Thats my explanation for the Jockey in Alien being bigger. But some still think its because both Pilots are different races, ones a Space Jockey thats different to the Blue Guy and the other is a Human.... Well thats as bizare as reading the Bible lol

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TKfanboy421

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 10:29 AM
@bigdave I was hoping you were leaking a new picture of the 2 engineers that WILL be in the film....haha.

BigDave

MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 10:31 AM
@NoXWord I know.... lol but you was correct. Place 10 women in a room bare foot and its hard to see much difference. Place a 5ft Woman in 2" heels next to a near 7ft one in 4" heels and then you create a illusion that the tall one is like 8ft

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Mithra

MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 1:05 PM
@belladonna : D Is that an authorised pic of Weyland? I like the idea of David8 strutting up to Shaw and saying "Hey baby...wanna go kill all humans"?
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