Assumptions on the Engineers/Sj technology

DNA was only discovered a short time ago, who knows what will be possible (for us) in even 50 years time. So i wouldn't even bother speculating on how likely DNA live re-engineering is (i'm still impressed with iPads haha). One idea that i wanted to add to my original post, and this won't have been overlooked by Ridley et al, is that the derelict looked old inside, and these new croissants look shiny. I imagine that might be related to the ship being alive, (in some sense, maybe like a tree is alive). Maybe the ship had long ago diverted all of its power into maintaining the blue mist over the eggs? Somehow i think the state of how the ship looks, and the "fossilisation" of the space jockeys suit (it was only his suit that was fossilised) are linked.

if they had the possibility to upgrade DNA about thousands of years ago I really ask myself why the heck did they build this ancient looking temple, cave like. I mean, if you look inside of it it looks definetley deifferent, very advanced high tech. Is it just kinda trap for minor civilisations that manage it to get there? Perhaps their tech basically is perfect DNA assimilation and real time morphing..what in biology dont make sense because if a DNA of a living beeing is altered it just dies. I think David will be a main plot point what this concerns, maybe he gets assimilated DNA wise, but it dont work for the space tapirs.. cheers

Reading your thread got me into thinking that perhaps, as you quoted certain texts from the Bible, the 'Derilict' could in effect have been some kind of 'Ark'. And Ark as in: 'Noah's Ark'. I dpn't quite see the animals going in two by two, in Alien with Dalls, Lambert and Kanes' case, its more like three by three! heh! heh! lol!

Cheers spartacus, i hadn't seen the photo of the two upright jockey suits with Noomi. I think it's high time someone compiled all the known shots of this movie into a story board kinda thing.

Just had a thought, if the ship is living, and possibly female, would that make the black oily substance some kind of menstrual fluid? Ths film could well be ghastly

O.k. Gem]n[, thanks for the heads-up! lol!

@windood I know so I added those links and you might find some stuff that helps...

There should be a lot of "SnorkelBottom" threads on this one, we talked about this a heck of a lot I will see if I can fined em for ya...

yea there is a bunch man [url= http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1105]Topic1105[/url] [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4251]Topic4251[/url] [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4376]Topic4376[/url] [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4713]Topic4713[/url]

i intended the thread as more of a collection/collage of observations about the technologies, to see if any ideas connecting them leap out. one thing that doesn't seem to fit the style ethos is the big silver saucer at the waterfall...

@Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else ... Been there with that one ... I suggested that weeks ago and thought it was a good theory myself ... nope that was lobed out the window lol ... :) ...

With Giger involved and the fact that the humans are going 'IN' to a complex, it raises questions and indirect metaphoric connotations/inuendo about convex and concave structures throughout the 'Temple Mount' complex. That would be a great uncomfortable yet extremely thought-provoking concept. And as a result have they disturbed or in some ways 'created' a menstral cycle in progress ?

Verey, VERY thought provoking and well thought out hypothetical Windood! Very well done!

@Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else cheers, I've noticed from the Q&A's and interviews that RS isn't shying away from saying there are sexual aspects to this film, and i don't think he means lovemaking scenes. its also beginning to look (to me), that while there might be less Giger designs on show, there is actually more of Gigers universe being used, certainly conceptually. It could be that our arrival inside the Engineers ship is seen as some kind of infection, and we need to be flushed out in some way?

[quote=Winwood][i]It could be that our arrival inside the Engineers ship is seen as some kind of infection, and we need to be flushed out in some way?[/i][/quote] This is a clever idea, but then clearly Shaw's being used to create MORE of something. (Dear, little Cuddles.) So it doesn't hold up 100% according to a human model of immunity. I went and read all of the Snorky chatter (Thank you, Sparty, for the handy compendium). Very interesting and over the top a points... Oh well, c'est la vie, but here we are back at this. It seems to me that the Engineer technology might allow them to "grow" things biomechanically, but that doesn't mean that all parts of the complete mechanisms remain alive indefinitely. All living things must EAT; something. This is a universal truism mandated by physics. It's not very efficient to have ALL Of your machines remain alive all the time. It wastes too much energy. Now, that said, I can easily see there being a thin layer of living material on every [u]surface[/u] of the Juggernaut, but it seems more likely to me that for something like the "temple" of [i]Prometheus[/i] ("egg chamber" of [i]Alien[/i] that was never shown on screen) that it was cut out of rock. Lots of folks on here are constantly poo-poo-ing the use of rock as not being "modern enough," but I don't think they know what they're talking about. Rock is FREE building material, if you have the technology to manipulate it into the shapes that you need. No matter how advanced your technology, there is still a COST associated with everything. Free is free, even if you're a million year old immortal. So, I believe that the "temple" is largely carved out of rock, with biomechanical features added as necessary. I imagine that they are just grown in place and then the ones that don't need to remain alive simply OSSIFY. OSSIFICATION and FOSSILIZATION are different, but produce similar results pragmatically speaking. The 1979 SJ could simply be OSSIFIED. In fact he likely is simply ossified because there is no mineral substance around him to have fed a process of fossilization . Ossified things can still decay, and the SJ of 1979 LOOKs partially decayed. When he dies; he, his suit, and the chair he's sitting in no longer are in need of nutrients. They don't need to move or function anymore. The ship would likely divert those nutrients and other stored energy to preserving the CARGO—the facehugger eggs that got Kane. So, lacking any need to remain alive, the biomechanics associated with the "cockpit" are simply allowed to ossify. Now, if the ship had done an emergency landing on Pandora, there would be LOTS of nutrients around for it to acquire and perhaps the suit and the chair etc. could have been kept alive without being allowed to "fully die" and ossify. Neither of these planets is quite that alive. Not a lot of food around. No running water (that's obvious (anymore)). So, I think that there are parts of the temple that are still alive (the urns, the "black soup" and the creatures in it, the murals) and that the majority of the Juggernaut (that was ever designed to remain alive in the first place) is still alive, but likely hibernating as deeply as it can. If my theories about the biomechanical nature of the Engineers' technology is correct, David will be very ODD to them. He was never "grown" or alive in any way. He should seem more "alien" and interesting to them than any of the humans. I don't think that their technology would be able to USE him in any "everyday" way. He is not valid as a host for anything xeno-like. He is not EDIBLE. They may be able to use him for his power source (after some rather advanced "patching in"), but other than that role as a potential "battery", I believe he's only potentially relevant to them as another intelligence. That's pretty big in and of itself, though.

That is some really suggestive and arresting set of scenarios you and descriptive hypothetical subtext you have offered Sukkal. I do feel that a large portion of what you have suggested will be know to be true within the context of those cavesin Prometheus. There is certainly a lot of integrity to your ideas and I think some of them are right. Good on you for that.